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Offline Rick Gentle

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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2013, 03:38:29 am »
That's the one.

The guy on the right^

I could see somebody wearing that on the street. It's not extremely punk or gothic or Gothic-Punk, but he's got a studded leather strap, a long buttoned coat, and a surly look. Definitely not in the same league as the two females (which I regard as a good thing). The FEMALE in the middle reminds me too much of the Malkavian full-color spread in V20. The good news is that since the WODMMO is a "real", modern setting, we get to make fun of people if they are dressed stupidly, just like we would in real life!

I would REALLY like it if they included a lot of the more extreme Physical Merits and Flaws, like "Child" and "Giant", but I'm afraid that that would lead to a lot of players gaming the system ("Giant" gives you an extra Bruised health level in tabletop), but a lot of Physical flaws could be purely cosmetic - as vampires, their powers are not necessarily reflected by their physical appearance. (Ex: a short skinny chick vampire with Potence 3 would wipe the floor with a big muscley mortal dude.) A pimply-faced, bucktoothed, wheezing, glasses-wearing Toreador still gets all the power of Presence. I'm actually going to go ahead and say - tentatively - that there should be no full Merits during character creation - all Merits that provide a mechanical buff (like "Giant") should also come with a balancing penalty (like you can't fit in narrow spaces, or your run speed is slower, etc).

A lot of the fashion we've seen so far is probably going to make it into the game, or at least fashion like it. But I really hope we're not going to see player-characters running around dressed like that on the street. But is not Vampire also a social game? Will there not be parties and balls and soirees, as Valamyr mentions? That is where we should be seeing fashion like this, but those are special occassions. I would like to re-submit my idea that clothes should get dirty and torn if you wear them into combat, or into the sewers, etc. Then maybe we'll see people in clothes suitable to the situation, instead of running around dressed like they're going to the Prince's reception 24/7.
But to turn things around, if people do dress like that all the time, then I'm coming to the Prince's reception in my bright red sweater and muddy trenchcoat. Fair's fair.

Speaking of the connection between these art pieces and in-game fashion, I think running around flashing your panties in a maid outfit in the middle of combat IS going a bit too far. That's just about as pure anime-style fashion as it gets. I will draw the line and defend it with all my rabid Gangrel ferocity if we see fairy wings and sparkles make it into the game.
And let's not forget that the developers have hinted that we'll be able to get butt-nekkid in the privacy of our havens. How does that relate to this concept art style?
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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2013, 01:30:41 pm »
It's a Masquerade Breach because it attracts attention, not because it shows you're a vampire. If you dress up like that and your lovers tend to go missing and else, EVERYONE will remember "that girl with the cape" :p

Here's a little something :
http://coffeeandshades.deviantart.com/art/New-Vamps-326900088

This is gothic, dirty punk. Sure they attract attention, but in any rave they'd be not out of place. Surely they shouldn't dress that way when they hunt, for instance, but... This is a far much more interesting "looks" concept than the TimBurtonesque visual kei they've served us. Most 50 year old kindred would facepalm and sigh....

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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2013, 11:27:51 pm »
I still like Bradstreet's artwork.  Even the non vampire stuff he's done for comic books... I just love the realness he brings to the setting.  Suddenly it's not "modern fantasy" but fucking hardcore punk vampires.

His art always made the world more real to me.

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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2013, 12:37:03 am »
or even in Paris's darkest streets.


Technically tho, it's great work.



I disagree, I think we are looking at Paris (Hilton)'s darkest streets here...

Well, the mummy's certainly enjoying it!

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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2013, 12:44:47 am »
It's a Masquerade Breach because it attracts attention, not because it shows you're a vampire. If you dress up like that and your lovers tend to go missing and else, EVERYONE will remember "that girl with the cape" :p

Here's a little something :
http://coffeeandshades.deviantart.com/art/New-Vamps-326900088

This is gothic, dirty punk. Sure they attract attention, but in any rave they'd be not out of place. Surely they shouldn't dress that way when they hunt, for instance, but... This is a far much more interesting "looks" concept than the TimBurtonesque visual kei they've served us. Most 50 year old kindred would facepalm and sigh....

That is exactly what I was thinking  (re:  drawing attention). 

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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2013, 12:57:37 am »
And yeah, that explanation makes sense. Wearing outrageous outfits isn't a breach on it's own but it certainly draws undue and unwanted attention.

Which is part of the reasons why I enjoy classy, conservative-looking Vampires more than extreme Goth/Punk visuals.

Those are fine in moderation, but definitely a look I'd associate with neonates. I'd like those styles to be part of the options a player has to dress his character but certainly not an all-encompassing theme that every outfit draws from.

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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2013, 04:18:12 am »
I don't think this is an age issue, as any Toreador of any age is probably at least aware of fashion - and the same probably goes for any vampire who expects to spend any time in Elysium or in the company of the Archbishop. As has already been said, though, it's an issue of blending it.
So we should be asking ourselves: What are the mortal players going to be wearing? It's not like there's such as thing as "only vampire fashion".
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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2013, 06:26:33 am »
I don't think this is an age issue, as any Toreador of any age is probably at least aware of fashion - and the same probably goes for any vampire who expects to spend any time in Elysium or in the company of the Archbishop. As has already been said, though, it's an issue of blending it.

Its an age issue in so far as that as long as you dont learn the consequences of not blending in, you're likely to do whatever the hell you feel like. Established Kindred should know better. Doesn't mean ALL young Kindred are sloppy, of course.
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So we should be asking ourselves: What are the mortal players going to be wearing? It's not like there's such as thing as "only vampire fashion".

Everything we know so far still suggests mortals have been intended as a 'tutorial' kind of template, so my answer would be "the default character creation clothes that come with their chosen background". I'm sure you recall this CC pic;



The various mortals you see there have bland and basic but appropriate clothing choices, nothing that would stand out too much. Of course, all of this could have changed. But it was pretty obvious the whole concept of starting-as-a-mortal was based on a few premises; It's a good way to teach the game's basics, it's the only way to allow the player to live through his embrace, and it allows the smooth introduction of other supernatural splats at a later date. They weren't intended to be a long term option at all, so the need for multiple wardrobes is limited.


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Re: Interesting artwork by Steven Stahlberg
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2013, 04:45:47 pm »
I think some clothing will probably be cosmetics cash shop items to give characters are a more trademarked looks.

Regardless there should be some kind of masquerade rating for clothing,
As pointed out different clothing fit different occasions

Maybe something like:
Goth dress
   Masquerade rating(5 :bad , 0 good)
(negative value means that under the circumstances it might still make up for other clothing items that do not belong) :
  •    Party: -1
  • Formal: 2
  • Common : 5

So vampires will want to dress accordingly or at least borderline depending on where they are staying.


Though in all fairness if you looked at MMORPGs, players often tend to dress absurdly or even not wear anything and run around naked to be provokative.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2013, 04:49:53 pm by Radical21 »

 

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