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Offline Valamyr

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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 04:46:00 pm »
Well you summarized my view when you called it a gimmick.As for price, they cost 1500 for testers and will likely be marketed around that price point; likely to drop to 1K pretty fast after early adopter milkage.

Sure, games for Google Glass will come swiftly, and yes, they will surely be marketed as 'AR', but it's going to take some time, quite a bit of it, before it reasonably matches science fiction expectations. The level of miniaturization required for the GG means it comes at a significant hit in power, and thus they're best suited for web browsing, video capture and playback, and light applications. Also, they don't have any 'full view' mode, and the input system isn't ideal for gaming; you'll understand what I mean if you look at promo material.

So while I certainly think future iterations of such tech have enormous gaming potential, thats not what I expect the glass to be popular for. It'll certainly be an amazing addition to the tech lineup, and revolutionarize POV porn :p , but I think gaming will only really benefit later down the line. Ideally, it really needs to be coupled with direct neural interface developments to allow the kind of precision we want in gaming.


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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2013, 07:20:18 am »
A couple interesting options for incorporating smart phone usage into the game:

1. CCP strikes up a deal with real world corporations to include their products/services in the game.  So your character can buy a no-shit Google Glass or iPhone 5 in game, and have access to a reasonable number of the real world device's capability (GPS navigation, AR, a version of Siri that is aware of real-time events in-game, etc.).  Sure, it's unlikely, but it *could* be done, and would represent a huge step in game immersion.

2. You can get products and services in-game that are snarky/clever knock-offs of real world things.  Instead of a Blackberry, you would be storing your contacts on your Black Dog.
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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2013, 04:10:20 am »
Sure, games for Google Glass will come swiftly, and yes, they will surely be marketed as 'AR', but it's going to take some time, quite a bit of it, before it reasonably matches science fiction expectations. The level of miniaturization required for the GG means it comes at a significant hit in power, and thus they're best suited for web browsing, video capture and playback, and light applications. Also, they don't have any 'full view' mode, and the input system isn't ideal for gaming; you'll understand what I mean if you look at promo material.


You don't have to have a full view mod to make an MMOARRPG, The fact that you have Camara/Kinect Input far outweigh the importance of the minimal output, Power is less of a problem if you place the extra computer and battery power in an external cellular device attached to your arm or so(iphone armband).
For start I think the HUD will be used in a LARP-like MMO by providing basic game information, capturing input and maybe having some loose Laser tag style FPS(something that already exists for iphone even without AR).

So yeah the more visually impressive MMOARRPG will take some further development so meanwhile we would have the AR equivalent of a MUD which is not all that bad really considering that most MMORPGs nowadays tend to be P2W scheme anyways(debatable I know but for me its not fun)..  For now if you want to see the superpowers you would have to hold out your smartphone/smartpad like a window into an alternate reality..

A couple interesting options for incorporating smart phone usage into the game:

1. CCP strikes up a deal with real world corporations to include their products/services in the game.  So your character can buy a no-shit Google Glass or iPhone 5 in game, and have access to a reasonable number of the real world device's capability (GPS navigation, AR, a version of Siri that is aware of real-time events in-game, etc.).  Sure, it's unlikely, but it *could* be done, and would represent a huge step in game immersion.

2. You can get products and services in-game that are snarky/clever knock-offs of real world things.  Instead of a Blackberry, you would be storing your contacts on your Black Dog.

The latter seems far more likely and useful in the presence of Wi-fi hotspots.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 04:18:09 am by Radical21 »

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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2013, 03:37:23 am »
I vote "2".
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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2013, 11:28:45 pm »
Another neat possibility...

If you upgrade your haven's security level, you should be able to install GPS and cellular jammers.  So if somebody wanders into your grasp, they won't be able to send "auto-travel to this waypoint" blips to their coterie, they won't be able to access their online banking, and they won't be able to contact their ghouls for a quick assist.  It wouldn't be crippling, just a moderate inconvenience similar to how Eve conveys the "off the reservation" feel of w-space (no market data, no local comms channel, no map, etc.).

A well-prepared player should be able to overcome these countermeasures, but not without considerable preparation, research and coordination with others.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2013, 11:31:55 pm by _username »
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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2013, 08:28:31 pm »
Well you summarized my view when you called it a gimmick.As for price, they cost 1500 for testers and will likely be marketed around that price point; likely to drop to 1K pretty fast after early adopter milkage.

Sure, games for Google Glass will come swiftly, and yes, they will surely be marketed as 'AR', but it's going to take some time, quite a bit of it, before it reasonably matches science fiction expectations. The level of miniaturization required for the GG means it comes at a significant hit in power, and thus they're best suited for web browsing, video capture and playback, and light applications. Also, they don't have any 'full view' mode, and the input system isn't ideal for gaming; you'll understand what I mean if you look at promo material.

So while I certainly think future iterations of such tech have enormous gaming potential, thats not what I expect the glass to be popular for. It'll certainly be an amazing addition to the tech lineup, and revolutionarize POV porn :p , but I think gaming will only really benefit later down the line. Ideally, it really needs to be coupled with direct neural interface developments to allow the kind of precision we want in gaming.

Big brother already has access to all your files. You think that limits them from not hacking into your google glasses, seeing what you see?

It's a disturbing technology in todays political climate.

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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2013, 09:09:28 am »

Big brother already has access to all your files. You think that limits them from not hacking into your google glasses, seeing what you see?

It's a disturbing technology in todays political climate.

That really doesnt have much to do with what I was talking about, does it? :p

Yeah, modern tech and connectivity has some privacy implications. For some people this is 1984 v2.0 for others, its "Not doing anything bad, dont care". As far as I'm concerned, it's good to remain vigilant and make this a public issue to minimize the lawful reach of surveillance programs, but even if we fail spectacularly to do so, it's not going to stop me from wanting and getting future tech.

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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2013, 05:12:49 pm »
They'll make sure they catch you doing something 'bad' regardless whether you did or not thanks to the obscure laws no one cares about (I mean the ones for like lobster sizes bought at stores or the proper space at the stoplight your supposed to stop).   So your damned if you do, damned if you don't with surveillance.

Life'll be like taking the course for a driver's license all over again; unforgiving, and there is an anal-retentive blowhard breathing down your neck at every little mistake you make.  And then your forced to take it AGAIN because you didn't do it just right like you were instructed...the wait time being stuck in a jail cell with a lighter wallet.
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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2013, 08:14:42 pm »
They'll make sure they catch you doing something 'bad' regardless whether you did or not thanks to the obscure laws no one cares about (I mean the ones for like lobster sizes bought at stores or the proper space at the stoplight your supposed to stop).   So your damned if you do, damned if you don't with surveillance.

Life'll be like taking the course for a driver's license all over again; unforgiving, and there is an anal-retentive blowhard breathing down your neck at every little mistake you make.  And then your forced to take it AGAIN because you didn't do it just right like you were instructed...the wait time being stuck in a jail cell with a lighter wallet.

Now thats just paranoia. What youre describing is in nobody's interest.

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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2013, 09:33:49 pm »
I doubt we'll be having somebody watching our view 24/7; that would mean you would have to dedicate THOUSANDS (probably in the tens of thousands) of personnel to sit around plugged in to a dozen other citizens' Google Glasses. That's inefficient, and security, whatever else it does, tends to gravitate towards efficiency for itself.
If it gets to the point where the government can spy from your own viewpoint, then there are some solutions:
1) Don't buy a Google Glass/competing product.
2) Don't use the Google Glass/competing product you bought.
3) Don't stay connected to the internet 24/7 on the Google Glass/competing product you bought.
4) Move to a rural zone where they don't have internet coverage so you couldn't connect to the internet on your Google Glass/competing product even if you wanted to.
5) Don't commit serious crimes. Try not to commit minor crimes if you can avoid it. (I hope this is your normal mode of operation. If it's not, having a Google Glass/competing product or not probably isn't going to make much of a difference...)
6) Don't commit serious or minor crimes while wearing your Google Glass. (In fact, they'll probably mandate that you can't wear your Google Glass/competing product while driving, just like they've tried to do with cell phones.)

In other words,
7) Use a combination of basic common sense and criminal cunning to get away with things, just like we do now, with this level of technology.

Also, I don't think this product should make it into the WODMMO. Aside from the fact that it's spanking-new tech, I can't see any vampire wanting something like that anywhere near them, especially Nossies.
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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2013, 10:01:00 pm »
Your taking it a bit literally, though that is my bad.

They need only take a look through GPS recordings and bank transactions, page views and searches, you name it.   They don't need to view your every move, not enough eyes for that anyways.  Point I'm trying to get across: EVERYONE has something to hide, and if you got something they want that makes you subject to them taking it.  If you don't make a mistake/shortcut, you don't learn/gain anything, and if things get as draconian as my prior comparison...eh thinking about it is like pissing in the wind.

Back on subject.  A game is best kept simple, despite our forum's constant debates on the mechanics and how they are run.  The key is to find a way to simplify it, but don't take the essence or point of it away in the process.
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Re: Should WoD have bad unfair economy?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2013, 01:28:19 am »
Literally? Maybe.
Seriously? Not at all.
Mostly because I don't use Google products or services. If I'm going to get spied on, it's going to be with the second iteration of the technology, that's fixed most of the first bugs and gotten more streamlined and stable. I want them to get a good view as I'm inching over the line in an intersection.

Besides, the Nossies should LOVE this tech. It's basically what they do against Cainites, only you wouldn't even have to be there!
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