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Offline Radical21

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2014, 08:25:42 PM »
The question now is.... does CCP sit on the IP or sell it back to Onyx Path Publishing or some other group that might actually *do* something with it.

Let's be honest.  Chris was a bullshit merchant, and the WoD was vaporware.  White Wolf tried to save itself by selling itself to CCP, and that failed horribly.  As OPP has shown, they had NO NEED to do that.  All they did in the end was kill their company and fire off all the original members of the White Wolf team.  In short, White Wolf has failed... both themselves and us, the fans. 

The *only* hope now is that CCP sells the IP to someone who will do something with it.  Whether that's a new single player game like Bloodlines or a company that would continue to work on an MMO.  However, I think it's just as likely CCP sits on the IP so that no one else can make money off of it.  I strongly dislike Hilmar (and Eve), after today.

I'll try to deal with my anger in a constructive way, but it would be an understatement to say that I'm very disappointed.

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In the end  its always business which is why I don't bother directing my anger at CCP, CCP are not owned by its developer but rather by corporations that see it as purely business. WOD Online was an ambitious project with setbacks so they cancelled it. Although it would have  been  nice if they release the source to the community to do some development with but I won't hold my breath... I prefered a WOD Online game done right or none and at all so if its none at all so be it.

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2014, 08:43:08 PM »
I should like to say that my sympathies go to the murder victim. The WODMMO's death was prolonged and painful, but at least they finally put it out of its misery. But speaking as a fan of the IP, and as a person who was really looking forward to an MMO set in one of my favorite game worlds, it's still pretty much murder. Cancelling the MMO aspect of the game is one thing; they could have easily converted the material of the game into a massive sandbox single-player game. (Does the idea of Skyrim + the World of Darkness make anyone else salivate?)
CCP has proven several times over that they will always choose their firstborn idea over anything else. I find it cruel and unusual that they would leave White Wolf, their own employees, and we fans hanging on for such a long time - I suppose it's good that their employees still got paychecks up until they were all let go, but that also means those employees lacked the opportunity to move on to more stable, successful jobs. Speaking as an unemployed man myself, I'm looking for a stable job over one that's exciting and lets me have fun with my passions every day. It would be nice to have both, but I don't think that's feasible for most of us in this economy.

So what I'd really like to see now is all fans of the World of Darkness - both tabletop and its digital analogues - actively boycott CCP products, from EVE Online to the upcoming Valkyrie. All levels of CCP should know that their actions (an inactions) have consequences among their fans and would-have-been fans. Hit 'em in their pocketbook, because apparently they won't feel it any other way.
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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2014, 09:47:20 PM »
I'd have rather they cancelled it than given us a watered down product that failed to live up to its ambitions; I can take some modicum of comfort in that at least.  I wish those out of work the best, they must feel the worst out of anyone.

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2014, 09:56:18 PM »
It's always sad to read of any game being cancelled but it's also somewhat more painfull when it happens to a game that you were looking forward to being able to play one day.

While this is truly sad news for all WoD fans (and even worse for the former CCP staff) I have to say that I'm not too surprised by this announcement. I think there are quite a few around here who had begun having doubts about the WODMMO ever seeing the light of day, for various reasons probably. For me it was the length of time it was in "development", in the time since CCP actually confirmed that they were working on a WODMMO there's been a number of other MMO's announced, completed and released! It's such a shame because I'm sure that a WODMMO could be fairly successfull.

Best wishes to all those who have lost their jobs with CCP, I hope all of them are able to find new employment without too much trouble! Hopefully either CCP's fortunes improve so that they can revisit this IP or they decide to sell the IP to a company who can start doing something positive with the IP!

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2014, 10:56:13 PM »
http://www.redbull.com/us/en/games/stories/1331621298651/the-developers-who-can-t-complete-their-own-games?wtk=13807406905246

Okay, so it's not exactly what it sounds like, but if you just read the title, I think CCP should be on this list.
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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2014, 01:37:40 AM »
I wonder if cancellation of WoD isn't a beginning of a serious financial problems of CCP. In recent years every new CCP's project didn't met the expectations. Dust 514 was a failure, Valkyrie seems to stay in shadow of Elite: Dangerous and Star Citizen. Eve Online failed to expand (all those Walking in Station stuff) while many new space sims with strong multiplayer wibe aproach horizon. Consider this, CCP seems to have strong competitors and probably any serious development plans for future.

It's such a strange coincidence that info of layoffs in Atlanta studio was published 11th december, the day when playable alpha of Elite: Dangerous started.
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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2014, 03:10:41 AM »
Their gravest mistake was trying to brew an homegrown engine. They never pulled it off right, huge performance problems, and at some point they gave up.

Some of the design decisions they made along the way would have also limited marketability, but the first thing you need is a viable 1st/3rd person engine.

I'm hope they're open to license the IP for other PC-based projects, like single player games or another MMO. Too good an IP to be used just for tabletop in this day and age.

RIP WODo.

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2014, 06:27:36 AM »
This whole mess from 2009 to now i am finally out of CCPs grasp. EVE is DEAD. Long Live Star Citizen.
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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2014, 09:53:55 PM »
Eve players blame the WoD for their lack of dev.

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2014, 10:07:25 PM »
EVE Online has had trouble with consistent development and patching since before the WODMMO started development. More recently, it's not the WODMMO's fault Incarna failed. In fact, if they hadn't been testing the engine for the WODMMO development, CCP might not have tried Incarna to begin with, reasoning that it wouldn't have been worth the investment for one product that isn't even focused on walking around the stations.

They don't get the privilege of bitching about it when it's the WODMMO that's clearly suffered because of the EVE franchise.
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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2014, 11:32:09 PM »
Let's not go crazy, guys. Eve Online is still a great game and, while CCP might have proven themselves to be a little bit terrible when it comes to developing other games, I have no doubt that MMO is going to withstand Star Citizen, Elite: Dangerous or anything the next decade throws at it. The community is fabulous and many of them were as excited about WoD as us, so were many devs. The company has taken a huge hit in credibility, though, and I'm sure they'll hurt for a while. I wish them the best. Also wouldn't hurt to sell Onyx Path the WoD IP. Just saying.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-04-15-ccp-drops-into-red-losing-USD21m-in-fy-2013

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This comment explains quite well what's happening there. CCP is not going under... but then again, check that comment by Alan Wilson (Tripwire) in the gamesindustry.biz article.

Anyway, Harlequin posted this on Facebook the other day. I'm not sure how up-to-date he's exactly when it comes to this stuff or if it's even true, but might spark some cool discussion.
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Ok I suppose I can go public with what I know since the MMO is canceled. While I wasn't expecting cancellation there was always that possibility. The reason I say this is I was informed a while ago this all traces back, sadly to, Incarna. The original goal as many of us know is the engine for walking in stations in EVE and WoD was to be shared. However as I reported about on wodnew.net as development went on the needs of the engine for WoD greatly out paced what EVE needed it for and the engine forked. What I didn't say was the Atlanta office was then, in effect, left to its own devices. The HQ in Iceland basically stopped sharing, supporting the code and let the Atlanta office sink or swim. I was told by a now former employee since Iceland didn't have a need for the additions to Incarna Atlanta needed HQ cut them off technically from their branch and most forms of technical support. The person implied to me Atlanta felt they were in a fight to deliver a product that HQ didn't seem that keen on helping with or supporting and they were on the outside looking in company wise. As HQ decided to put all its marbles in EVE. Sadly seems this lack of resource support caught up to the project. None the less I think this aspect of the story puts this situation into context to some degree.

The official line is that WoD didn't live up to its potential, but something tells me that's the easiest way of having an ex-WoD dev punch you in the face. I'd love to hear a "Behind the scenes" from one of them (not right now, mind you, this might be still a little bit too raw), alas I doubt we'll ever have the chance.
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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2014, 11:52:15 PM »
Speaking as an unemployed man myself, I'm looking for a stable job over one that's exciting and lets me have fun with my passions every day. It would be nice to have both, but I don't think that's feasible for most of us in this economy.

So what I'd really like to see now is all fans of the World of Darkness - both tabletop and its digital analogues - actively boycott CCP products, from EVE Online to the upcoming Valkyrie. All levels of CCP should know that their actions (an inactions) have consequences among their fans and would-have-been fans. Hit 'em in their pocketbook, because apparently they won't feel it any other way.

So let me get this straight: you are jealous of CCP Developers who have awesome jobs and you imply they don't deserve them because WoDMMO failed so you want to boycott them and drive them out of business so more of them will end up being fired?

Sorry but you are way out of line on this one, CCP may have promised something they did not deliver but they didn't take anything from you, this is especially true of the Developers and Artists working on EVE Online that have nothing to do with the corporate business decisions.

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2014, 12:10:45 AM »
Probably nothing new here:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/459037/ccp-reviewing-world-of-darkness-ip-after-cancellation/

But figured some might want to have a read of the article and comments.

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Re: Former CCP dev claims WoD might have been cancelled (NOW Confirmed)
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2014, 02:05:42 AM »
Say what you will, Rad, I for one speak with my dollars.  Elite: Dangerous and Star Citizen are more than viable alternatives for future potential Eve players.  Whenever I enter into a discussion with someone about which game they play I will heavily favor the former over the latter.  I will not tell ANYONE about ANY interesting developments in Eve any longer.  While I do not have a sub to cancel, I can at least not send anyone else their way.  I feel like an idiot for having done so already.

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