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« Last post by El_Gostro on Today at 02:33:52 PM »
Mine is actually a domesticated pangolin that was turned into a human for questionable and censorable motives by a bored magician before being immeditaley offed by paradox, who was then taught to be a hunter by the step-niece of a society of leopold clerk who had actually never seen combat and was eventually turned by a drunken ventrue who may or may have not been actually a malkavian as stuff got murky with NWOD -specially vocal letters and typos- and is now on a quest to recover his one true scaly long cavity tongue storing self no matter what it takes and how many supernatural were-naked mole rats stand in the way!!!!
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« Last post by Barabbah on Today at 02:05:21 PM »
I was wondering, if a vampire diablerises another one then promptly a team of medic experts in vampire medicine performs a full blood transflusion and the vampiric equivalent of a CPR, or whatever it takes, can the latter vampire survive and the former rise on generation? 
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Democrats can't wear suits? Shit, Obama fucked up.
They sure can but that Ventrue is a whole 'nother level of asshole :D !
We haven't even met him in the game yet. Someone's prejudiced...
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But yeah, Bloodlines does a good job of introducing people into the World of Darkness, but I think extra reading and a little tabletop viewing is needed to learn some stuff that Bloodlines doesn't fully reveal to us: like the Camarilla not just being "uncool" of "stuffy," but genuinely pretty twisted when it comes to the rights of humans...which is to say they're virtually non-existent for Camarilla law. The only time they're going to care if you kill a human is if you violated the Masquerade/attracted Hunters by doing it, or if it was someone important to another Kindred of high standing...like killing a Primogen's ghoul, killing the Prince's great, great, great granddaughter, killing the mayor of a city whom the Camarilla was manipulating or had deals with (posing as humans if he/she isn't a ghoul, of course), and so forth.
Very true regarding the Camarilla. That being said however, I don't think its just them that feel that way. I mean Jack, who's an Anarch, feels pretty much the same way as the Camarilla regarding humans, all you have to do is ask him to find this out. To him they're just cattle. And Skelter, who sends you after Patty does NOT care if you kill her to get rid of her. He just wants her gotten rid of. I think its pretty much a common vampire trait in general for the most part. Clearly not universally so as Toreador VV cares about the lives of humans she personally knows, though that really is a Toreador trait. At any rate, I don't think you can really pin the attitude as solely a "Big bad evil Camarilla trait".
Ehhhhh Toreador Antitribu are still Toreador...and they're more sadistic than Tzimisce much of the time. Tzimisce do want to create twisted works of art...but Toreador Antitribu "live" for the next painful suffering and death of a mortal when enacting their own art. But yeah, VV cares about some people. She's fine with asking for humans to be killed as long as she pouts about it and has someone else do the deed, as evidenced with "Chastity." Certainly, it's justified as it's pure survival and Chastity will kill a Kindred on sight without a conversation, but you get my point. To be fair to Skelter, though, Patty knows all about Kindred and doesn't care how noisy she is talking about Kindred in public places. She's a danger to the Masquerade and not an "innocent" as far as ghouls go. She knows better and has the ability to hold her tongue. Sure, she's "jonesing" for another fix of blood, but to say she has no control over herself to be able to not blab like she is...well, that's not true. Jack seems like the coolest biker-looking dude ever, but you are correct. He is shitty to humans. Oddly enough...Jeanette/Therese seem to have some of the best Kindred/human relations. Jeanette bangs them and lets them live...even those not in the know about Kindred, like Arthur Kilpatrick, as evidenced by her laptop. Therese doesn't ask you to kill anyone, either. The only humans we see them get killed are those gang guys at the diner, and good. Damn. Riddance. =p LaCroix's missions want you to spare every human, but that's out of a "keeping the op clean" sort of mentality, to protect the Masquerade and not reflect poorly on himself. If his direct agent is making blood baths needlessly, it would make LaCroix look bad. None of the other Kindred really talk about humans and themselves, to my recollection.
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Democrats can't wear suits? Shit, Obama fucked up. They sure can but that Ventrue is a whole 'nother level of asshole :D !
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Actually it's depending on your romance state: both of you came to the conclusion you won't live without the other, so eternal love and stuff Romance state ? Wut ?!!
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« Last post by DarkZephyr on May 23, 2019, 11:39:26 PM »
But yeah, Bloodlines does a good job of introducing people into the World of Darkness, but I think extra reading and a little tabletop viewing is needed to learn some stuff that Bloodlines doesn't fully reveal to us: like the Camarilla not just being "uncool" of "stuffy," but genuinely pretty twisted when it comes to the rights of humans...which is to say they're virtually non-existent for Camarilla law. The only time they're going to care if you kill a human is if you violated the Masquerade/attracted Hunters by doing it, or if it was someone important to another Kindred of high standing...like killing a Primogen's ghoul, killing the Prince's great, great, great granddaughter, killing the mayor of a city whom the Camarilla was manipulating or had deals with (posing as humans if he/she isn't a ghoul, of course), and so forth.
Very true regarding the Camarilla. That being said however, I don't think its just them that feel that way. I mean Jack, who's an Anarch, feels pretty much the same way as the Camarilla regarding humans, all you have to do is ask him to find this out. To him they're just cattle. And Skelter, who sends you after Patty does NOT care if you kill her to get rid of her. He just wants her gotten rid of. I think its pretty much a common vampire trait in general for the most part. Clearly not universally so as Toreador VV cares about the lives of humans she personally knows, though that really is a Toreador trait. At any rate, I don't think you can really pin the attitude as solely a "Big bad evil Camarilla trait".
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« Last post by DarkProphet on May 23, 2019, 10:45:23 PM »
I think you can actually turn her, and Yukie :)!
Can't imagine Yukie agreeing to that.
You talk her into it by convincing her it would make her job hunting demons easier and give her even more power.
Actually it's depending on your romance state: both of you came to the conclusion you won't live without the other, so eternal love and stuff
Hmm, Yukie waifu is good Yukie, though for some reason, I'm a hell of a purist with my games. The Unofficial Patch's Plus version is as different as I tend to be comfortable going with modifying stuff in games...especially when it comes to dialog and characters. =p
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« Last post by DarkProphet on May 23, 2019, 10:43:50 PM »
So you could walk into a small city that has ten independent vampires in it, declare yourself the Prince, and now per Camarilla law, you run the city unless someone can "dethrone" you and become Prince in your place.
This sounds pretty much like the Anarchs do it with their Barons, so there is less difference as I though. I always go solo or with the Anarchs anyway...
I need to look into that, but I think you're right. However, the big difference between Camarilla and Anarchs here is that Barons don't have the legal authority to declare Blood Hunts or even to order anyone to do anything. If your Baron asks you to fight for him/her, you can say "no." The Baron acts as a Prince but does not have the ability to enforce his/her will through executions and law. He/She needs some serious Charisma, lol. https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Baron_(VTM)
Or if you're name is Therese Voerman, you hire hit men to try to blow away the one who disappoints you. :D
Haha, this is true. I mean "technically" if they succeed, no one will no the wiser! But yeah, Bloodlines does a good job of introducing people into the World of Darkness, but I think extra reading and a little tabletop viewing is needed to learn some stuff that Bloodlines doesn't fully reveal to us: like the Camarilla not just being "uncool" of "stuffy," but genuinely pretty twisted when it comes to the rights of humans...which is to say they're virtually non-existent for Camarilla law. The only time they're going to care if you kill a human is if you violated the Masquerade/attracted Hunters by doing it, or if it was someone important to another Kindred of high standing...like killing a Primogen's ghoul, killing the Prince's great, great, great granddaughter, killing the mayor of a city whom the Camarilla was manipulating or had deals with (posing as humans if he/she isn't a ghoul, of course), and so forth.
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