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A New Resurgence
« on: December 02, 2014, 11:20:42 PM »
A little sneak peak from the undead, click on the image if you dare to enter a new unknown realm.

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2014, 11:56:08 PM »
Hmmm....

Since this is a entirely new world, one idea I have is to present a "All Myths are True" or "Crossover Cosmology" setting where pretty much All mythologies and religions are 'true' not to mention the 'Mage' aspect, not only magic but also steampunk, diesel/decopunk, atompunk, cyberpunk, are all true and functional as well.

So not only Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, Wraiths/Ghosts, Faeries and Changelings, Demons (well they simply mean malicious spirits than 'fallen angels' though), Hunters, Constructs (Prometheans), I would also hope you'll also include Yōkai, Asuras (Hindu description, Buddhist description) Kachinas, and such.

Basically here's referances that you could look up:

For example I would hope that every single Legendary Mythological creature/being from this list below shows up in this game....:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_creatures

Also list of Mythologies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythologies

Also list of Religions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions

As for the Mage aspect here's a list of Magical traditions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28paranormal%29#Magical_traditions

Basically what I hope for this game is to have a more diverse and intersectional "Supernatural Urban Fantasy" which maybe supernaturals can treated as something more organically than the WoD games.

Of course as for Deities and Gods, I think it's best for them not to appear but maybe their 'agents' (like Angels, Hindu Avatars, etc) can appear though.
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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2014, 08:45:43 AM »
A little sneak peak from the undead, click on the image if you dare to enter a new unknown realm.

Cool! I have a question though: when will the Antitribu Mod be released? I hope this will not be discarded in a finished state with only some testing left because you all concentrate on a new project already ;)...
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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2014, 03:52:21 PM »
Great! I just hope that so big ambitions will aqcuit itselfs.. :)

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but also steampunk, diesel/decopunk, atompunk, cyberpunk, are all true and functional as well.

So not only Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, Wraiths/Ghosts, Faeries and Changelings, Demons (well they simply mean malicious spirits than 'fallen angels' though), Hunters, Constructs (Prometheans), I would also hope you'll also include Yōkai, Asuras (Hindu description, Buddhist description) Kachinas, and such.
Let me to disagree. VtMB has certain fans with formed tastes on the part of city's gothic and dark romance, so I don't think it's the best idea to do the motley crew from the projcet that originally positioned as WoD universe revival, even if it had to give up the original names or scenery... In any case, I personally don't see this place for modern trends you mentioned...

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2014, 04:10:07 PM »
In any case, I personally don't see this place for modern trends you mentioned...

I agree to that. I would even recommend to keep the number of possibilities smaller, but more distinctive! Like in Bloodlines some clans where very similar in gameplay with only the Malkavians and Nosferatu really sticking out. So if you plan to include different vampire clans at all, you should try to reduce the number. Like merging Toreador and Ventrue into a manipulating talking class, Brujah and Gangrel into a hardcore fighter class and Malkavians and Nosferatu into a sneaking monster class. I don't know about the Tremere, maybe leave the magic to the Mages or give all vampire clans some different blood magic disciplines to use...
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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 07:03:58 PM »
Great! I just hope that so big ambitions will aqcuit itselfs.. :)

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but also steampunk, diesel/decopunk, atompunk, cyberpunk, are all true and functional as well.

So not only Vampires, Werewolves, Mages, Wraiths/Ghosts, Faeries and Changelings, Demons (well they simply mean malicious spirits than 'fallen angels' though), Hunters, Constructs (Prometheans), I would also hope you'll also include Yōkai, Asuras (Hindu description, Buddhist description) Kachinas, and such.
Let me to disagree. VtMB has certain fans with formed tastes on the part of city's gothic and dark romance, so I don't think it's the best idea to do the motley crew from the projcet that originally positioned as WoD universe revival, even if it had to give up the original names or scenery... In any case, I personally don't see this place for modern trends you mentioned...

I think you don't understand what I'm talking about, I'm saying that the Steampunk, Atompunk, Diesalpunk, Cyberpunk should be reserved for 'Science' based Mages something like the Etherites, Virtual Adapts, Technocracy from the actual WoD but present them as 'different' though.

In any case, I personally don't see this place for modern trends you mentioned...

I agree to that. I would even recommend to keep the number of possibilities smaller, but more distinctive! Like in Bloodlines some clans where very similar in gameplay with only the Malkavians and Nosferatu really sticking out. So if you plan to include different vampire clans at all, you should try to reduce the number. Like merging Toreador and Ventrue into a manipulating talking class, Brujah and Gangrel into a hardcore fighter class and Malkavians and Nosferatu into a sneaking monster class. I don't know about the Tremere, maybe leave the magic to the Mages or give all vampire clans some different blood magic disciplines to use...

I think Vampires should still do magic like Thaumaturgy or maybe there's Mages who have been 'embraced' as Vampires which maybe they try to mimic what they did in life but as Vampires their "spark" dies with them so they no longer able to alter reality with their beliefs/paradigms/etc but can only follow limited amount of paths that mimics it.

Of course though Blood Magic is a must though which I can imagine how many blood magic abilities a Vampire can do (like Legacy of Kain style feeding, shooting a magical projectile that drains a target's blood, draining a entire room of targets of their blood, absorbing blood into their bodies Elizabeth Bathory style, etc) and also even drops of blood will automatically go to the vampire.

Of course other than the traditional fangs/neck biting, there should be other feeding methods like blood claws (claws that are able to drain a person's blood), leech toungs (The Vampire can enlarge their tongs and suck the blood of their targets), flesh and heart consumption, etc.

Of course as for the powers of Vampires, of course everyone knows they're immortal I think for example they should have enhanced strength, speed, senses, healing, flight/gliding, super jumping, climbing/scaling walls/ceilings, Shapeshifting/Absorption (Bats, Wolves, Mist, Rats, Cats, etc), Control Animals, Pyrokinesis, Telekinesis, Psychic Powers, Invisibility, Weather Manipulation powers and also have Lasombra style Shadow Manipulation, Flesh (Tzimisce stlye) manipulation, Illusionary powers, Necromancy, Blood Sorcery, and Path style Magic.

Of course as for weaknesses, they are weakened by sunlight (but Vampires can be healed by Moonlight however) but doesn't burn them (like Pre-20th century vampire stories)  by they grow stronger by dusk, fire and decapitation is lethal, They are only repelled by Holy Symbols if the wielder has true faith, stakes immobilizes them and "puts them in torpor", of course they can cross running water and they don't need invitation (maybe invitation is more a cultural thing among High Vampire society) either especially for gameplay reasons. Also Vampires can sleep anywhere but optionally they can sleep in their native soil if they're really weak or low on blood which speaking of which, maybe when the Vampire is withdrawing Blood, they go through "Mortis" stages decomposing into more corpse like (highest being Pailor Mortis and lowest being Skeletonization). Of course as for their appearence, they can vary which they look attractive and alluring in their Pailor Mortis state or basically when they're well fed on Blood. For one example though if a Vampire reaches "Rigor Mortis" stage, they resemble the Jiang Shi from Chinese vampire folklore. Of course if Vampires are in these stages, all they need to do is drink blood (or even eat flesh) to bring them back up to their Pailor Mortis stages.

Also Vampires can only reproduce through transfusion which the victim must be drained to the point of death, which in that way, it prevents Vampires having a "apocalypse" scenario if they reproduced with a single bite and also like Bloodlines Vampires should be able to retain to suck a person's blood without killing them though.

I think you can all look in here for more details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction






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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2014, 08:52:48 PM »
Congratulations on your decision to create a new game from scratch. We will be monitoring your progress with excitement!!  :pixorstfu:

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2014, 10:07:53 AM »
Are you people aware that there is a Russian group who got the same letter from CCP and are now making a new MMO?

http://projectdogmat.com

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2014, 03:56:20 PM »
Are you people aware that there is a Russian group who got the same letter from CCP and are now making a new MMO?

http://projectdogmat.com

Yeah, I got with Samspin and he said it would be okay to promote their project here. AtrBlizzard has had contact with their project lead and it seems they prefer to keep their promotion simple and basically only use their blog. If they want to reach out to us here on a regular basis, I can create a new forum area for it. Otherwise, I suppose we should start a thread for Dogmat in Off Topic for now? Their page is all in Russian. I know it can easily be translated, but they could use some English and perhaps German support from us to get the word out to a broader audience.

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2014, 04:32:27 PM »
The project sounds great, have you considered Kickstarter? I would fund a new dark adult horror game with a large degree of playable races and character customisation with bells on.

Just make sure it differs significantly enough from WoD in terms of the gameplay system and lore that you don't get sued!

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2014, 08:26:16 PM »
Yeah, I got with Samspin and he said it would be okay to promote their project here.

I didn't post this to get it promoted here, rather in case the PV team didn't know about it and would want to join forces or help each other out. Although I'm worried that some stuff of the Russian project seems to be taken 1:1 from the cancelled MMO and CCP might well come down on them again for using their assets...

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2014, 04:12:50 PM »
Yeah, I got with Samspin and he said it would be okay to promote their project here.

I didn't post this to get it promoted here, rather in case the PV team didn't know about it and would want to join forces or help each other out. Although I'm worried that some stuff of the Russian project seems to be taken 1:1 from the cancelled MMO and CCP might well come down on them again for using their assets...

I might be missing something, but I don't see that. The look of the theme is similar to what was being created in the WoD MMO, but the game was never published. They're also creating their own lore, like RavaFX. Also, Skyra (Username) pointed out on our FB that C&D letters rarely are from a court and more of a threat of going to court. If CCP sent a C&D letter because a game came out looking kinda like the game they didn't even launch, it would be very hard for them to prove any damages and I'd ignore that C&D letter.

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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2014, 02:16:26 AM »
And we're back! I'm glad you found an alternative, Atrblizzard. A point —

Vampire: The Masquerade was an enjoyable franchise to me because it employed actual elements of religion, esp. Judaism and Christianity. The game universe is founded on Old Testament mythology and Hebrew Kabbalah, and that the focal point of the game is embracing your sin. Please consider peppering an element of actual religion into your own game.

I'm knowledge about nearly every Christian sect; Nestorianism, Oriental Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism. I am also well-versed in pagan religion, too.

I'm also a fan of the franchise because of its explicitly adult theme and tone. I imagine you could go to an art gallery or the opera. I'd love if that same gritty, dark theme could be kept. 

Also, Jeanette. Just sayin'.
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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2014, 07:56:37 PM »
And we're back! I'm glad you found an alternative, Atrblizzard. A point —

Vampire: The Masquerade was an enjoyable franchise to me because it employed actual elements of religion, esp. Judaism and Christianity. The game universe is founded on Old Testament mythology and Hebrew Kabbalah, and that the focal point of the game is embracing your sin. Please consider peppering an element of actual religion into your own game.

I'm knowledge about nearly every Christian sect; Nestorianism, Oriental Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism. I am also well-versed in pagan religion, too.

I'm also a fan of the franchise because of its explicitly adult theme and tone. I imagine you could go to an art gallery or the opera. I'd love if that same gritty, dark theme could be kept. 

Also, Jeanette. Just sayin'.

Well actually to be honest, the Abrahamic basis for Vampire: The Masquerade and perhaps the entire WoD, is actually one of the main problematic aspects of all where it pretty much enables white European centricism (like the Kuie-Jinn, Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom, etc) and the prospect of cultural imperalism of not only invalidating other Non-Abrahamic religions but also using them as playthings and stealing them from cultures what originally belonged to them (for example, reducing other Deities as either "Fae" or "Demons").

I guess for Project Rava, I think the new game should not use Abrahamic religions and Gnoticism as a basis but rather it should adapt more of a "All Religions/Myths/Theologies are True" or basically crossover cosmology which think of it as a world where every creation myth, afterlife, metaphysics, etc are all true and false at the same time....or basically they're all created by human belief while Material reality (actual Science or rather the oberservable world) existed beforehand even though Human Belief can also effect Science as well (like Psudeosciences, Steampunk, Atompunk, Diesalpunk, Cyberpunk, etc). Or maybe Reality itself has a 'science' of it's own and we humans due to our intelligence can effect the perceivable world around us and has been eversince the Middle and Upper Paleotheic age....

In short, I've been toying of a idea of a world of where reality is both subjective and objective as in the subjective parts come from human belief/ideas/etc or basically Mage style "Paradigms" while the objective reality is the physical/material world we know from science but we can also effect the objective reality or rather to simply put it "using it as a base to build our own reality with it".

To put it clearly, what I'm proposing that the "Supernatural" including Magic, Undead, Spirits, Demons, Metaphysics, even Deities (including the Abrahamic God who is infact, the Canaanite/Leviatie war Deity Yaweheh or El) are all created by Human Belief/Paradigms due to our power to shape and effect reality around us unlike Animals because we couldn't understand the material world around us so we created our own for centuries and Human Belief can even effect the cosmos and the "laws of the world" as well including "Time of Events" as well (like Creation Myths and Eschatology) but maybe something like Consensual Reality or similar exists to provide balance between the objective and subjective realities that prevents the subjective reality overpowering the objective one or even vice versa.
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Re: A New Resurgence
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2014, 09:41:47 PM »
Well actually to be honest, the Abrahamic basis for Vampire: The Masquerade and perhaps the entire WoD, is actually one of the main problematic aspects of all where it pretty much enables white European centricism...

I think the main problem here is Gehenna! Until then I liked the whole thing about Caine being the first vampire, because it was just the believe of most vampires, a myth. Once they made it true, the problems started...