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Title: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
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Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Barabbah on January 09, 2020, 06:03:50 PM
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.

No one likes Anthem also. Before anyone says it.

I'm kind of confused tho... the SWTOR servers have been up for a loooooooooooong time. Is it that bad ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Barabbah on January 09, 2020, 06:34:15 PM
Anthem was ruined on purpose by the producer, we all know the horror stories behind this disaster

Regarding the MMORPG, I don't give a damn if it's successful. It's a shame by design how they decided what was canon and what wasn't in the previous games
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 06:53:58 PM
Regarding the MMORPG, I don't give a damn if it's successful. It's a shame by design how they decided what was canon and what wasn't in the previous games

Things may change though. Disney has already acknowledged Revan as canon. Maybe something can be redeemed with a remake of Kotor.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 07:15:29 PM
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.

No one likes Anthem also. Before anyone says it.

I'm kind of confused tho... the SWTOR servers have been up for a loooooooooooong time. Is it that bad ?

No, SWTOR is a nice game. I played it for a long time (female Twi'lek smuggler healer :)). I had a nice guild there, but sadly, we disaband, because people moved to otehr games or just stopped playing. I have really fond memories of that game. I tried it again last year and moved some toons to UK-and US-servers. I found again a little guild, who needed a healer and I played for a while again. IT is still fun. I like the stories, especially from the smuggler and the Imperial agent and the characters. It has a lot of nice and typical Bioware stuff like companions (and romances), good voice actors and some interesting questlines.
THe only thing I hate there is Revan: my canon Revan is an asian woman (the one with the ponytail) or (with mods) a female Twi'lek and not some beared weirdo with a cult.


A bit of my personal Bioware stuff:

My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate, I still play BG and BG2 regulary.

My favorite Bioware fandom is by far Dragon Age. Apart from Bloodlines, I never played games as often as the three DA games. I have currently  playthroughsin all three games: Miya Amell, mage, romances Zevran, Liya Hawke, mage and really snarky, she will romance Isabella and my sweet little LIa Cadash, who romances Sera. I like the funny rogues as you can see. My favorite npc by far is Varric, he even tops Gary in Bloodlines (and if you read my posts, you know how much I love Gary). My favorite love interest is Zevran. I don't like Oghren, Morrigan, Sebastian and Solas.

KOTOR is another favorite. Played both games really often.

I never really got into ME, desipte having finished the first game and was nearly through with the second (stopped before suicide mission). I like some of the characters, especially Garrus, but the combat system is not my cup of tea. It's too shootery for me (I don't play shooter at all) and too much military. I might try again some day, but that's not a priority. Still, I love the Shep, I made (I have her attached).

I played Jade Empire, but didn't finish it. I was halfway through, when I got a new computer and somehow lost the old saves. But it was a beautiful game.

Anthem never interested me. I don't want to play in a bulky armor, no matter the genre - I'm shallow like that. But I heard, it wasn't received well.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 07:25:51 PM
That's a goddamn beautiful Shepard *claps*... BUT HOW DID YOU STOP BEFORE THE SUICIDE MISSION ?

Seriously play it. That's Hall of Legends stuff right there.

I am also of the opinion that Jade Empire is actually an improved KOTOR. I recommend you give it another go and try to finish it. The ending is some of the most underrated epic shit in videogames. It's uncanny.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 07:37:58 PM
That's a goddamn beautiful Shepard *claps*... BUT HOW DID YOU STOP BEFORE THE SUICIDE MISSION ?

Seriously play it. That's Hall of Legends stuff right there.

I am also of the opinion that Jade Empire is actually an improved KOTOR. I recommend you give it another go and try to finish it. The ending is some of the most underrated epic shit in videogames. It's uncanny.

Thanks, yes, I do love my Shep and her voice is cool. I jus twish, they had a different combat system, I really struggle with it. And I was looking forward to the Garrus romance, he is by far the best character in ME for me. I'm not such a fan of the companions, apart from Garrus, I like Tali, Wrex and Mordin, the rest is a bit ... meh. And I actively dislike Miranda (if I ever finish ME2, I will try to get rid of her in the suicide mission, I don't want to see her in ME3) and that racist - Ashley?- I killed her off in Virmine.

I will play Jade Empire one day, but at the moment, I have two big (non-Bioware) rpgs to finish, Pillars of Eternity (a gem) and Kingdoms of Amalur (just beautiful)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 09, 2020, 09:17:40 PM
I really like Inquisition, I don't see any problems with it other, than that it is a really long game. Luckily, you can decide, which side quests you want to do and which not. I like the companion cast of DAI the most Tbh.
Sorry but DAI isn´t a good game. Maybe average if you cut half of its content It had its moments but mostly it just steals your time.
Also the main story and therefore the villian Corypheus (an already beaten DA 2 DLC boss who gets lamer in DAI) was pretty dull.

The only good thing about this game are the 9 companions, 3 Advisors, 2 female dwarves and a few other NPCs like Calpernia.

Like i said in the other thread DAI is one of boring and therefore disappointing games i have ever played.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 09:46:09 PM
I really like Inquisition, I don't see any problems with it other, than that it is a really long game. Luckily, you can decide, which side quests you want to do and which not. I like the companion cast of DAI the most Tbh.
Sorry but DAI isn´t a good game. Maybe average if you cut half of its content It had its moments but mostly it just steals your time.
Also the main story and therefore the villian Corypheus (an already beaten DA 2 DLC boss who gets lamer in DAI) was pretty dull.

The only good thing about this game are the 9 companions, 3 Advisors, 2 female dwarves and a few other NPCs like Calpernia.

Like i said in the other thread DAI is one of boring and therefore disappointing games i have ever played.

That is your opinion, mine is, that it is a good game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Barabbah on January 09, 2020, 10:09:33 PM
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.

No one likes Anthem also. Before anyone says it.

I'm kind of confused tho... the SWTOR servers have been up for a loooooooooooong time. Is it that bad ?
THe only thing I hate there is Revan: my canon Revan is an asian woman (the one with the ponytail) or (with mods) a female Twi'lek and not some beared weirdo with a cult.

There lies my problem with TOR: not only Revan but the whole game and the sequel was set to a prechosen path. All your gameplays? "No, take our and shut up!"

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maybe disney will do something about it
How about no? They did enough damages to Star Wars (without talking of what they did to the credibility of minorities with its forced inclusion of politically correct content)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 09, 2020, 10:15:44 PM
That is your opinion, mine is, that it is a good game.
Really?!? Have you played everything which DAI has offered? I do and it was a pain.
Sorry but a good game doesn´t bore you that many times like DAI. Also a good game is a game you want to replay.
But replaying DAI? Sorry but i rather watch some videos with the other stuff than playing this again.
Many players hate the Hinterlands but for me Hissing Wastes was the most dull level.

The main characters (minus the Inquisitor and Blackwall who where a bit too bland) and the Trespasser DLC are great but for the big majority you do
stuff with little to none payoff. Maybe the Game is better or good if you will when skip half or more of its content but in my opinion a game should
be assess if your opinion / critism is about the full game and not just the parts you like.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
That is your opinion, mine is, that it is a good game.
Really?!? Have you played everything which DAI has offered? I do and it was a pain.
Sorry but a good game doesn´t bore you that many times like DAI. Also a good game is a game you want to replay.
But replaying DAI? Sorry but i rather watch some videos with the other stuff than playing this again.
Many players hate the Hinterlands but for me Hissing Wastes was the most dull level.

The main characters (minus the Inquisitor and Blackwall who where a bit too bland) and the Trespasser DLC are great but for the big majority you do
stuff with little to none payoff. Maybe the Game is better or good if you will when skip half or more of its content but in my opinion a game should
be assess if your opinion / critism is about the full game and not just the parts you like.

Yes I have played it, several times, with different races and classes and different romances. I have done the side quests and was in all maps. Is that enough for you? And no, I wasn't bored at all, I felt well entertained. I play the DA games a lot, I try out different things and look behind every corner. I love all three games.
Just because you don't like the game doesn't mean, it is bad. I hate Miranda in ME, but that does not make her a bad character, because what I don't like about her, others might love. It's called opinion.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 09, 2020, 10:52:11 PM
So please stop telling me, what I have to feel about something.
It is your time and taste. But i must say that i doubt that you feel all through the game "well entertained"
Every game is subjectiv but you can´t tell me that you aren´t bored at some time. If you do well you i don´t believe you.

After Anthem of course DAI is for me atleast the worst game Bioware have ever made. Even DA 2 isn´t that bad.
But yeah feel whatever you will about this. I only know one thing playing some areas from this game something dies in me at boredom.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 11:09:31 PM
So please stop telling me, what I have to feel about something.
It is your time and taste. But i must say that i doubt that you feel all through the game "well entertained"
Every game is subjectiv but you can´t tell me that you aren´t bored at some time. If you do well you i don´t believe you.

After Anthem of course DAI is for me atleast the worst game Bioware have ever made. Even DA 2 isn´t that bad.
But yeah feel whatever you will about this. I only know one thing playing some areas from this game something dies in me at boredom.

I have sections in every game, I don't like that much, even in Bloodlines. For example Halliwbrook Hotel,  the Golden Temple (not the fights with Andrei and Ming Xiao, they are great). In DAO the Deep Roads and yes, in DAI the shard quest. But those are minor things for me. If I like the overall feel of a game, I like the game. And all Dragon Age games have a lot for me to like and DAI has some of my all-time favorite quests, like In Hushed Whispers, In Your Heart Shall Burn, Wicked Eyes..., the Still Ruins, Dragonology, to name a few. I don't say, that the DA games are flawless, but they are great games imo, all three.
BTW, I did edit the sentence, you quoted out, because I thought, it was too harsh.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 10, 2020, 04:08:56 AM
Long time BioWare fan here started with the original Knights of the Old Republic.  But my favorite game of their's hands down is 'Dragon Age: Origins.'  I love the human noble and mage origins, as well as both dwarven origins.  DAO also has my two favorite love interests in the series.  The bewitching Morrigan, and the seemingly sweet but don't turn your back on her Leliana.  I love them both and can't decide who to romance when I play.  I am currently doing a human mage playthrough who will fall in love or lust with Morrigan, and it is due to her influence my mage becomes a dreaded blood mage.

But on the BSN forums I'm known as a defender and admirer of both Morrigan and Leliana.  I've post tons of pictures I found around the web of them both.  But aside from them I do like Alistair, Zevran (even though he tried to kill me!), Sten, Ohgren, and our team mama Wynne.  Dragon Age: Origins also has one of my favorite villains in gaming Loghain.  The fact that he is voiced by Simon Templeman who voiced the titular character in the 'Legacy of Kain' series is an added bonus.

I remember when I first played the human noble origin and was shocked at the outcome.  I have yet to this day played any of the elvish origins.  To avoid spoilers I also have yet to recruit a certain npc to my party thus making another one angry and leave.  I also enjoyed the sequel I really liked the protagonist Hawke.  The battle as a warrior with the Arishok was tough with a lot of running around.  But mage Hawke owned him.

I played a bit of SWTOR as a Jedi Guardian but did not like it for several reasons.  One it's an mmo and I do not like mmo's.  Two it retconned KOTOR 2 my favorite game of the original two, and they make no mention as to what happened to the K2 companions.  Three it canonized Revan and the Exile.  In the SWTOR canon Revan up and left his pregnant wife behind to face the "Unknown threat" by himself.  He went from badass to dumbass.  Also the dumbass was imprisoned for 300 years.  The Exile in SWTOR canon is a lightside female named Meetra.  Who also died like a chump.  In my head canon the Exile is a cocky smartass Jedi male called Jacen, who hooks up with Briana, and rebuilt the Jedi Order before leaving to find Revan.  My point is the canon never lives up to what the fans wanted.  Four the Sith Empire.  That makes no sense whatsoever.  According to Visas, Darth Nihilus roamed around on the edges of Republic space.  His hunger would have surely driven him to an Empire of Force wielders.  Like it drew him to consume her planet when the Jedi Council gathered there.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 01:43:28 PM
Sorry but DAI isn´t a good game. Maybe average if you cut half of its content It had its moments but mostly it just steals your time. Also the main story and therefore the villian Corypheus (an already beaten DA 2 DLC boss who gets lamer in DAI) was pretty dull.

I'm a bit torn on this.

Here's the thing, you're absolutely right on how Inquisition is just a black hole of time consumption when it comes to most of it's content.

But can you seriously say the Battle of Haven, the Siege of the Grey Warden Fortress and the Trip to the Fade sucked ? Hell naw son. And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame.

It is deffinitely the worst Dragon Age game but... it still pulls through to me... somehow.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 10, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
But can you seriously say the Battle of Haven, the Siege of the Grey Warden Fortress and the Trip to the Fade sucked ? Hell naw son.
Like i said it has its moments but they are pretty rare.

The battle of Haven is bad in my opinion. First this has nothing to do with the battle but DAI Haven doesn´t look anything similar to DAO Haven.
Second i had saved everybody but regardless of the player actions everyone was replaced expect the blacksmith but i believe he couldn´t die there.
Third and mainly its Corypheus. Sorry but an already killed DA 2 DLC boss isn´t a threat.

But the song and the finding the Skyhold is nice but the overall battle is miles ahead to be good.

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Grey Warden Fortress and the Trip to the Fade sucked
These levels are ok but my main problem besides Corypheus is the returning DA 2 hero Hawke. I wasn´t able to recreate my Hawke just about as he/she looked
like in DA 2. Also he/she behaved differently than my Hawke in DA 2.
Also i couldn´t care of the Inquisitior backstory and the Divine.

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And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame.
You really indicate that the war table is good?!?

Sorry waiting severall hours or extreme ones like 18 hours is way too long. This is not a free mobile game. Also most of the rewards are disappointing.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
I respect your criticisms but I think most of them are a bit preferential.

Okay... Haven doesn't look like it used to ? Does that matter at all ? Is the geography of the place so unbelieably important to the story ? Or is the SIGNIFICANCE of the place which is what really contributes to the overall plot ? I think it's the latter, as for the different look you might just say it's a different part of the region or something. Same with Hawke, I mean, he/she could never possibly look the same as in DA2 because the entire game is made on a completely different graphics engine. There was just no way you could've seen the exact same person.

Like i said it has its moments but they are pretty rare.

Maybe because as you say, we invest an insufferable amount of time doing pointless sidequests... or worse... fetch quests, which sometimes are not even those at all because you fetch nothing ! (Like discovering new regions in the map).

I think that's the deepest flaw of the game. You spend so much time doing nothing story-wise that the game gives you the impression that you're not playing something you like.

Second i had saved everybody but regardless of the player actions everyone was replaced expect the blacksmith but i believe he couldn´t die there.Third and mainly its Corypheus. Sorry but an already killed DA 2 DLC boss isn´t a threat.

Son, this is best battle theme you ever heard in your entire life:



That is just ONE bit of athmosphere that is greatly crafted for that battle alone. I could go on even further on why the entire thing works.

And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame. Sorry waiting severall hours or extreme ones like 18 hours is way too long. This is not a free mobile game. Also most of the rewards are disappointing.

I didn't mean to say it was perfect but most of the time you just wait around an hour or half the time.

Even then, those war table missions that last around twenty hours are still counting when you're not playing. That's why you can activate one, turn off your PC, go to sleep, go to work, have lunch, make out with your girlfriend, get a hot dog, play again and come to find that it's finished !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 10, 2020, 03:37:44 PM
Okay... Haven doesn't look like it used to ? Does that matter at all ? Is the geography of the place so unbelieably important to the story ?
Or is the SIGNIFICANCE of the place which is what really contributes to the overall plot ?
If you as a player revisit an known area you could expect that the area looks similiar to the previous visit.
If not what is the point of returning to Haven or Redcliff?

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Same with Hawke, I mean, he/she could never possibly look the same as in DA2 because the entire game is made on a completely different graphics engine. There was just no way you could've seen the exact same person.
Of course because of the Engine switch you can´t expect to recreate Hawke 100% but i was really disappointed that i even couldn´t recreate Hawke approximately
with similiar options. And personalitywise and there have DAI no excuse wasn´t Hawke the same as in DA 2.

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I think that's the deepest flaw of the game. You spend so much time doing nothing story-wise that the game gives you the impression that you're not playing something you like.
Like i said you cut half of DAI content and you won´t miss anything.
I don´t know if you have ever played the DAI DLC Trespasser. But this DLC featured all the stuff which are great and had cut all the stuff which are bad / boring.
If DAI had the same quality like Trespasser through the whole game when we have a great gaming experience.

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Son, this is best battle theme you ever heard in your entire life:
Nice but not as good and unique as in DAO or DA2. So yeah i prefer much more Inon Zur over Trevor Morris.
Also the DAI soundtrack is a bit generic for my taste.

So no this is better than for example Qunari on the Rise.


And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame. Sorry waiting severall hours or extreme ones like 18 hours is way too long. This is not a free mobile game. Also most of the rewards are disappointing.

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Even then, those war table missions that last around twenty hours are still counting when you're not playing. That's why you can activate one, turn off your PC, go to sleep, go to work, have lunch, make out with your girlfriend, get a hot dog, play again and come to find that it's finished !
Sorry that doesn´t make this better? Regradless what you do you have you wait or use the "cheat" in changing your systemtime.
So tell me please why is it okay to wait so long? Even the one hours ones are too long.
And at the end you get mostly some boring stuff you can´t used anymore because the rewarding item is too weak.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 04:43:22 PM
Wilhelm no... just no. I love Inon Zur and DA2 but I went into a goddamn coma with that piece.

Fylimar, Talyn82... which do you guys think is the best battle theme ? I think it's Battle for Haven but Wilhelm thinks it's Qunari on the Rise. Cast thy votes.

If you as a player revisit an known area you could expect that the area looks similiar to the previous visit. If not what is the point of returning to Haven or Redcliff?

Maybe this is too subjective a point to keep discussing but it does look similar to me: it has mountains, a ton of snow and a bunch of crazy andrastian stuff all around.

I also don't know how much I can contribute to the Hawke discussion because my Hawke is the default one (really liked his beard). However, I did hear this complaint about Mass Effect 3, on which I wasn't playing Sheploo, and was perfectly able to recreate a very similar Shepard to the one I had in ME1 and ME2... so I can at least be skeptical.

Sorry that doesn´t make this better? Regradless what you do you have you wait or use the "cheat" in changing your systemtime. So tell me please why is it okay to wait so long? Even the one hours ones are too long. And at the end you get mostly some boring stuff you can´t used anymore because the rewarding item is too weak.

No one plays these games for just one hour... and thy heart knows it !

I will agree however that more than ten hours is excessively long and shouldn't have been applied in that manner to the game. However, it's not as untenable a system as some people think it is because the timer still runs while you're not playing and it has actual consequences on the gameplay. If you follow up one of those questlines (to find a weakness in Samson's armor) then you can actually tear a new one on him, and that's just one example.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 10, 2020, 04:57:28 PM
Wilhelm no... just no. I love Inon Zur and DA2 but I went into a goddamn coma with that piece.

Fylimar, Talyn82... which do you guys think is the best battle theme ? I think it's Battle for Haven but Wilhelm thinks it's Qunari on the Rise. Cast thy votes.



I'm not the best judge, since I don't like the very dramatic music much, I like the quieter tunes. I think, the DAI one is a bit nicer imo. But there is nothing, in none of the DA games, as beautiful and beautiful sung as the tavern songs. I'm so in love with those songs, especially Sera was never, Enchanter, Once we were.
And yes, I know, Leliana did sing in DAO too, but I really don't like the voice of that singer and I hated, that they made it an orchestral version instead of a realistic song accompanied by only a lute as would have been realistic on a campfire.



As for Hawke: I managed to recreate my back then canonically Hawke really well. Generally I liek the character creator in DAI a lot, onle lightning cout be better.

Want to show some characters from the different games?

Here is my canon inquisitor, Riya Lavellan, cheeky mage, romanced Iron Bull.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 10, 2020, 05:29:06 PM
Wilhelm no... just no. I love Inon Zur and DA2 but I went into a goddamn coma with that piece.
This isn´t even the best battle theme for DAI.
I would argue that the DAI DLC ones are much better.






Maybe this is too subjective a point to keep discussing but it does look similar to me: it has mountains, a ton of snow and a bunch of crazy andrastian stuff all around.
This is really basic. ;)
But was irrelevant because Bioware was able to recreate one area from a previous game faithfully. I am speaking of the Black Emporium.
Yes it was much much smaller than Haven or Redcliff but the characteristics are there.
Why wasn´t this also possible for Haven and Redcliffe?

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I also don't know how much I can contribute to the Hawke discussion because my Hawke is the default one (really liked his beard). However, I did hear this complaint about Mass Effect 3, on which I wasn't playing Sheploo, and was perfectly able to recreate a very similar Shepard to the one I had in ME1 and ME2... so I can at least be skeptical.
Mass Effect was never a problem for me but i wasn´t able to recreate my Hawke because DAI has lost some of this face, hair and other head options which
were in DAO and DA 2 editior.

No one plays these games for just one hour... and thy heart knows it !
Does this really matter? If you really want for example do Cassandras or Coles personal quest you have to wait 1 hour.
Unlike previous Bioware games where you do this stuff right now then the companion quest is start by the companion in a dialogue.
It was a bad system and the next Bioware game  Andromeda drop this.


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If you follow up one of those questlines (to find a weakness in Samson's armor) then you can actually tear a new one on him, and that's just one example.
I prefer the Calpernia quest because it was a much better pace.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 06:10:08 PM
Much better Wilhelm. Those are some decent tracks right there.

But was irrelevant because Bioware was able to recreate one area from a previous game faithfully. I am speaking of the Black Emporium. Yes it was much much smaller than Haven or Redcliff but the characteristics are there. Why wasn´t this also possible for Haven and Redcliffe?

I think their choice was based on the possibilities of the Frostbite engine. They clearly knew they could do much more with it and so chose to do so because it obviously looked far better than the original version. And why not ? If it serves the story and the experience, then I don't see any problem. Specially because you can actually justify that it's not the exact same part of the original town but somewhere around it. Pretty simple issue to me.

Mass Effect was never a problem for me but i wasn´t able to recreate my Hawke because DAI has lost some of this face, hair and other head options which were in DAO and DA 2 editior.

Well I don't think it's that ludicrous to ask Bioware to be more careful with these issues in DA4 but I wouldn't say it's the game breaking part of DAI to me. I can certainly understand where you come from regarding this issue.

Does this really matter? If you really want for example do Cassandras or Coles personal quest you have to wait 1 hour. Unlike previous Bioware games where you do this stuff right now then the companion quest is start by the companion in a dialogue. It was a bad system and the next Bioware game Andromeda drop this.

A fair criticism but again... I don't find that the system is perfect either. I would deffinitely keep it because it allows for incredible role-playing possibilities. I've played two DA:I runs with an elf and I still couldn't save my clan from being destroyed. These are missions that are so simple and so easy to do that you can actually fail them and get important consequences from them. This is what RPG is all about.

I prefer the Calpernia quest because it was a much better pace.

But no one can ever see that... because no one likes templars.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 10, 2020, 10:06:43 PM
@ Highwayman667:  I can't recall any of the battle music. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 10:16:08 PM
@ Highwayman667:  I can't recall any of the battle music.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 12, 2020, 04:01:44 PM
What's your favorite BW protagonist? You can go into detail, if you prefer a race, class, gender etc.
My favorite has to be female Hawke, preferably sarcastic and either rogue or mage (I don't like playing warriors)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 12, 2020, 05:41:14 PM
What's your favorite BW protagonist? You can go into detail, if you prefer a race, class, gender etc. My favorite has to be female Hawke, preferably sarcastic and either rogue or mage (I don't like playing warriors)

Oh Hawke. Such an underrated gem.

I like the male one myself, his glorious beard in the standard appearence is quite something;

(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/camo/48e0b5d0a4a9d178142dbf0632742dbab4be3e12/687474703a2f2f7374617469632e6769616e74626f6d622e636f6d2f75706c6f6164732f6f726967696e616c2f302f363237392f313833383431332d6861776b652e6a7067)

Aside from that, it's a great story of exile that rarely gets told in videogames. Hawke also has probably the best friend ever in Bioware games: Varric.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 12, 2020, 09:49:31 PM
Oh yes, Varric. The best companion character ever made. Tbh, I wish, he could have been a romance option.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 12, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
As for my favorite Bioware protagonist, it's deffinitely Commander Shepard:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/1/14/Shepard610.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121124092909&path-prefix=protagonist)

I think that what I love about Commander Shepard, is that it's one of the very few characters in videogames (certainly in CRPG's) that have transitioned throughout three full games with quite the baggage on his/her back, all while developing an incredibly engaging and vast relationship with the galaxy, it's very different factions and the characters that are present within the universe of Mass Effect. I particularly like, at least in regards to player-created characters, that Shepard's opinions, decisions and actions weigh heavily upon him/her throughout all titles; this matter is specially true in Mass Effect 3 where the burdens become fascinantingly psychological in nature as well.

Also, the romances are unquestionably the best in videogaming history... and maker forgive me... my Shepard was a dog. I was with Liara in the first one, Miranda in the second one and Ashley in the third one.

Also, another bunch of Bioware protagonists that never get their due credit are these beautiful trio of maniacs:

(https://thegeek.hu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/12/ps4pro-MDK-2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 13, 2020, 06:28:11 AM
In Mass Effect, I liked the scene, where Mordin sings Gilbert and Sullivan, that was hilarious.

Another favorite character of mine is female Revan, light side.
Oh and my female castless dwarf girl in DAO. She was kind of the outsider in surface society, but that was how she liked it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 13, 2020, 01:49:08 PM
In Mass Effect, I liked the scene, where Mordin sings Gilbert and Sullivan, that was hilarious.

Let us celebrate him:



Oh and my female castless dwarf girl in DAO. She was kind of the outsider in surface society, but that was how she liked it.

I do wonder... is it worse to be a city elf or a casteless dwarf in Ferelden ? I might go with the former.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 13, 2020, 07:30:20 PM
In Mass Effect, I liked the scene, where Mordin sings Gilbert and Sullivan, that was hilarious.

Let us celebrate him:



Oh and my female castless dwarf girl in DAO. She was kind of the outsider in surface society, but that was how she liked it.

I do wonder... is it worse to be a city elf or a casteless dwarf in Ferelden ? I might go with the former.

Yay for Mordins musical qualities.

It's harder to be a city elf for sure - or an elf in general. Nobody outside Orzammar has any problems with your castless dwarf. And in Orzammar I usually side with Bhelen, he might be an asshole, but at least he is open minded. He has no problem whatsoever with a castless (he even wants to marry your sister). Castless dwarf is nice to play to see another side of Bhelen.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 13, 2020, 10:15:29 PM
It's harder to be a city elf for sure - or an elf in general. Nobody outside Orzammar has any problems with your castless dwarf. And in Orzammar I usually side with Bhelen, he might be an asshole, but at least he is open minded. He has no problem whatsoever with a castless (he even wants to marry your sister). Castless dwarf is nice to play to see another side of Bhelen.

Ah yes ! And here begins our first discussion !

I never pick Bhelen. I think it's a popular choice because players see the slides and make a retroactive decision in subsequent playthroughs to support him. However, I don't think you ever see any evidence of him being progressive at all. Even some of his slide results are rather questionable, I can't find someone to be a fair and just ruler when he decides to abolish the legislative wing of the government (the deshyr assembly).

I mean sure, you can argue your casteless sister knows him deeply but anyone can love someone's character and personality while also dissagreeing with their political beliefs. Personally, I'd rather judge Bhelen by the city guard he murders when you first enter Orzammar.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 06:28:57 AM
Oh yes, it is actually mentioned in the end sliders, that Bhelen allows castless dwarfs in society. Many of them join the Dead Legion and help keeping the returning darkspawn at bay. He basically throw away the cast system, which is a good imo. And he reaches out to the surface world and strengthens trade between Orzammar and the surface.
Harrow Mond on the other hand keeps the cast status quo and traditions and has a much darker ending. The darkspawn is threatening Orzammar.

Bhelen isn't a nice guy by far, but he 8s more effective and better for the future of the dwarves.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 01:57:51 PM
Oh yes, it is actually mentioned in the end sliders, that Bhelen allows castless dwarfs in society. Many of them join the Dead Legion and help keeping the returning darkspawn at bay. He basically throw away the cast system, which is a good imo. And he reaches out to the surface world and strengthens trade between Orzammar and the surface. Harrow Mond on the other hand keeps the cast status quo and traditions and has a much darker ending. The darkspawn is threatening Orzammar.

Bhelen isn't a nice guy by far, but he 8s more effective and better for the future of the dwarves.

Isn't that weird though ?

Grey Warden: We will support Bhelen.

Morrigan: And why should we do that ? *insert sarcasm*

Grey Warden: Because the end sliders are prettier.

Morrigan: Wat.

To clarify as well: he allows the casteless into the military, not into every area of society. That's another hurdle that someone someday (in a Bhelen rules Orzammar future) might have to struggle with at some point. He also names himself "supreme leader" and does away with the deshyrs.

Nothing substantially bad happens in Harrowmont's ending. In the end the deshyrs decide to do away with him because dwarven society is pushing towards it's own freedom in terms of its' people (the casteless) and its' own desire to expand itself economically.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 05:47:45 PM
It is heavily applied (and I think one of the books get more specific) that Orzammar will loose more ground to the darkspawn, if Harrowmont is king. Bhelen might not give equal rights to the castless, but they get more, than they had before.
As I said, he is not nice and in fact a despot, but I think, he is the lesser evil... and yes, I can see Geralt of Rivia cringe right now, because he is right:evil is evil. But to me Bhelen came across as more open minded even during the wardens time in Orzammar. I think, the dwarves desperately need a bit of open mindedness, especially with the constant darkspawn threat.

The biggest problem with Harrowmont is, that he wants to please the nobility and drives Orzammar into isolation with restrictions and upholding traditions, which will get Orzammar into trouble, so I find his end slider not really assuring. If you are of dwarven origin, you can request, that the king or queen of Ferelden sends an army to Orzammar to help fighting the darkspawn - and if Bhelen is king, they will stand before sealed doors. He effectivly cut Orzammar from the surface.

I found some things, he said to the warden troubeling - he sounded a bit like Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter - about upholding traditions, Orzammar has to stand on its own and such things. RIght after the fighter from teh legion of the dead did tell you, that they desperately need more people.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 05:55:22 PM
It is heavily applied (and I think one of the books get more specific) that Orzammar will loose more ground to the darkspawn, if Harrowmont is king. Bhelen might not give equal rights to the castless, but they get more, than they had before. As I said, he is not nice and in fact a despot, but I think, he is the lesser evil... and yes, I can see Geralt of Rivia cringe right now, because he is right:evil is evil. But to me Bhelen came across as more open minded even during the wardens time in Orzammar. I think, the dwarves desperately need a bit of open mindedness, especially with the constant darkspawn threat.

Very reasonable points. I don't know if I might be convinced about him unless I end up playing a run where I support him... which I actually might.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 06:19:38 PM
It is heavily applied (and I think one of the books get more specific) that Orzammar will loose more ground to the darkspawn, if Harrowmont is king. Bhelen might not give equal rights to the castless, but they get more, than they had before. As I said, he is not nice and in fact a despot, but I think, he is the lesser evil... and yes, I can see Geralt of Rivia cringe right now, because he is right:evil is evil. But to me Bhelen came across as more open minded even during the wardens time in Orzammar. I think, the dwarves desperately need a bit of open mindedness, especially with the constant darkspawn threat.

Very reasonable points. I don't know if I might be convinced about him unless I end up playing a run where I support him... which I actually might.

That is, what I like about Dragon Age - there isn't just black and white. Harrowmont is that nice elderly and polite guy and Bhelen the loud impolite troll, but in the end, Orzammar is better off, when teh warden supports Bhelen.

Another question: keep the anvil or destroy it?

I normally destroy it, the thought of how golems are made is horrifying. But I get, why people would keep the anvil. The golems made could help against the darkspawn - still I can't bring myself to side with Branka - I totally despise that character btw. When I first met Hespith, I was horrified by her story. Branka really would do anything to get what she wants.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 06:44:38 PM
That is, what I like about Dragon Age - there isn't just black and white. Harrowmont is that nice elderly and polite guy

Doesn't murder anyone in the middle of the street though xD ...

And there's just no way anyone can have the golems and claim they'd like a better future for the dwarves of Orzammar. No matter who you pick to rule its' the casteless who will absolutely be thrown into the anvil as soon as it's revealed to the king and the deshyrs... unless of course you were one of those wardens with a singular focus on destroying the darkspawn above anything else.

Now how about a real controversial one:

Do you let Loghain live ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 07:58:21 PM
I let him live once and I must say, he has a great Redemption arc in DAI. But normally, I kill him. He has done so much evil. The worst was imo selling the elves to the Tevinter. That is just so horrible. And align himself with someone like Howe. And of course desert the battlefield in Ostagar because he threw a tantrum. Well, it's everything about Loghain really.

What about you?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 15, 2020, 02:37:10 AM
I let him live once and I must say, he has a great Redemption arc in DAI. But normally, I kill him. He has done so much evil. The worst was imo selling the elves to the Tevinter. That is just so horrible. And align himself with someone like Howe. And of course desert the battlefield in Ostagar because he threw a tantrum. Well, it's everything about Loghain really.

What about you?

Killed him the first time but I found his character so interesting when I let him live in the next playthrough that I... sort of couldn't after that. It's kind of fucked up as well since my main DAO character is a city elf. The thing I like the most however, about letting Loghain live though, has nothing to do with him...

...but with Alistair.

It enhances the story to me with such a tragic outcome, because I really consider Alistair to be my character's best friend. However, it's understandable that Alistair could never forgive someone who let go of the person that committed such terrible crimes against the Grey Wardens, the soldiers of Ferelden and even the King.

Conscripting must've sucked royal ass in the middle ages !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 15, 2020, 06:05:33 AM
When I let Loghain live, Alistair turned up as a drunk in the Hanged Man in DA2. It was heartbreaking and I don't even like his character that much.

What about Connor? Does he live in your games? Does Isolde live?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 16, 2020, 06:07:35 PM
When I let Loghain live, Alistair turned up as a drunk in the Hanged Man in DA2. It was heartbreaking and I don't even like his character that much.

Oh I love this, your playthrough is quite unpopular in "many DA circles". Who's Queen of Ferelden in your canon ? Your warden or Anora ?

What about Connor? Does he live in your games? Does Isolde live?

Indeed they both do. Though as far as I know, Isolde doesn't appear in DA:I... at least I never saw her in my playthroughs.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 16, 2020, 09:09:11 PM
Anora is queen. I don't romance Alistair, since I don't like him that much.

I think, Isolde appears somewhere, but not in DAI, it's the party in the dlc of DA2, Mark of the Assassin.

I normally let both live too, it might be a bit optimistic to think, you can travel all the way to Lake Calenhad and summon the mages, without the demon in Connor getting naughty again, but obviously, that is exactly, what happens :)
It's nice to save the kid though, so to hell with realism (plus he gets to keep his mother).

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Oscar on January 17, 2020, 09:55:03 PM
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 17, 2020, 11:55:56 PM
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.

Excuse us please, I know it's hip to hate on Bioware now *sigh*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 01:13:29 AM
I got 2 questions.  How did you guys feel about poor Ser Jory in DAO, the knight Duncan kills during the ritual?  I always believed if Jory had not panicked he would have survived the ritual.  I thought the whole scene with the ritual was one of the greatest parts of Origins.

Also what background, race, and gender are your canon Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor?

For me my canon Warden was a dual wielding warrior male Cousland.  My canon Hawke is a male mage, and lastly even though I never completed it, my canon Inquisitor was a big male two handed warrior Qunari.  I still have the saves of my first and only playthrough of Inquistion thanks to Origin and it's cloud service.  So if part four looks good.  I mean I always wanted to go to Tevinter.  If the game looks and sounds good, I'll try and complete Inquisition.  But I heard EA pressured BioWare to include multiplayer and microtransactions.  Which makes me hesitant to buy.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 18, 2020, 01:40:46 AM
I got 2 questions.  How did you guys feel about poor Ser Jory in DAO, the knight Duncan kills during the ritual?  I always believed if Jory had not panicked he would have survived the ritual.  I thought the whole scene with the ritual was one of the greatest parts of Origins.

An amazing scene indeed. I can understand why the Grey Wardens do what they must, considering the knowledge about the ritual would be rather damning for them. It still seems a bit harsh but at least Duncan isn't a jerk about the entire thing and is very clear about why he had to kill Jory.

My canon warden is a male city elf rogue that uses and bow and dual wields daggers. My canon Hawke is a male rogue archer and my canon inquisitor is a male elf rogue... that uses bows and arrows.

I know, I'm addicted. Forgive me.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 03:33:47 AM
Lol, I am the same way with warriors and mages.  I find keeping rogues alive in the DA games hard.  In DAO both Leliana and Zevran are the first to go down.  In DA2 Isabela goes down first, and in Inquisition, Cole and Sera always go down first.   I'm just bad at leveling them up.  I never know what to pick for them.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 08:03:18 AM
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.

Excuse us please, I know it's hip to hate on Bioware now *sigh*

I want to give you a like for that. Even in the Bioware forum, some people have nothing
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.

Excuse us please, I know it's hip to hate on Bioware now *sigh*

I really want to like your comment :)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 08:21:58 AM
Ser Jory: he seemed a bit full of prejudices. When I approach him as a woman, he muses about why women are in the Grey Warden, same with an elf. He seems to be trapped in his classical vision about knighthood and I wasn't that surprised, when he panicked during the Joining, because it was not at all, what he thought. It was a powerful scene. It also helped to set the Grey Wardens up.

I have more than one Canon in each game, I play them too often and normally my current playthrough is always my favorite, but there are some all-time favorites :

DAO
-my castless dwarf Lady
-my female Amell, whom I playing right now
-Raven Tabris, a very angry bride

DA2
-Emily Hawke, rogue and Isabellamancer
-Liya Hawke, mage and very cheeky(she goes mostly for the purple answers)

DAI
There I have a clear favorite :Riya Lavellan, mage. She was such a fun character to play, nice, easygoing, funny.

What about favorite romances, do you have them? Or are they not that important to you?

My favorite in DAO is clearly Zevran, one of my favorite characters from the games. I like, how it started casual and becomes so deep in the end.
In DA2 it's Isabella. It's a bit similar to Zevran, I guess. I just love that character.
My favorite in DAI is Iron Bull. His romance is surprisingly deep. He always has something comforting to say after every mission and he is just fun to have around.
I have to make a male character some day for the Dorian romance. I normally play my own gender in role playing games if I can (only in video games, I do play male characters in our pen & paper rounds), but I like Dorian and would probably make an exception for him. Still not sure, what kind of character. Maybe a dwarf, more the Varric type...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
For romances in Origins is a tie between Morrigan and Leliana.  I really like how Morrigan changes when around the Warden.  She is still cruel, but if you romance her you see a more softer side when in private.  Morrigan is voiced by Claudia Black, who played Aeryn Sun in Farscape.  Both Aeryn and Morrigan are similar in a way.  Due to their upbringing they have a tough exterior.  But are really compassionate when you really get to know them.  I mean look how much Morrigan changed in DAI as a mother.  Leliana I like she is sweet and cute but due to her past, my Warden has to sleep with one eye open.

In DA2:  Isabela, I really like her.  The thing is her romance spans ten years.  Until she gets serious about Hawke.

DAI:  I love Cassandra.  She is the only one I romanced.  After I finish my KOTOR 2 playthrough with the restoration mod, and after I finish with VTMB, I will try and replay DAI.  I also want to romance Josephine she is so cute!

I too play as my gender (male) in rpg's, especially BioWare rpg's were characters romance you. 

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 11:57:13 AM
For romances in Origins is a tie between Morrigan and Leliana.  I really like how Morrigan changes when around the Warden.  She is still cruel, but if you romance her you see a more softer side when in private.  Morrigan is voiced by Claudia Black, who played Aeryn Sun in Farscape.  Both Aeryn and Morrigan are similar in a way.  Due to their upbringing they have a tough exterior.  But are really compassionate when you really get to know them.  I mean look how much Morrigan changed in DAI as a mother.  Leliana I like she is sweet and cute but due to her past, my Warden has to sleep with one eye open.

In DA2:  Isabela, I really like her.  The thing is her romance spans ten years.  Until she gets serious about Hawke.

DAI:  I love Cassandra.  She is the only one I romanced.  After I finish my KOTOR 2 playthrough with the restoration mod, and after I finish with VTMB, I will try and replay DAI.  I also want to romance Josephine she is so cute!

I too play as my gender (male) in rpg's, especially BioWare rpg's were characters romance you.

Despite loving Claudia Black, I never really connected to Morrigan. I don't despise her as much as in the first playthroughs, but I never really liked her. I think the deal breaker for me in regards to Morrigan is, that she gives you dissapproval, when you don't allow the Tevinter to take the city elfs as slaves.

I romanced Leliana with my female Cousland, that was a nice romance too. But Zevran's still my favorite.

Cassandra is a pretty cool character in DAI. I like the conversations with her. And even though, most of my characters have different opinions from her and are normally not religious (I can't bring myself to play a religious person), she is totally ok with it. I like, that Cassandra approves and dissaproves mostly of your actions.

I must say, that I generally like the companion cast in DAI the most. I'm not a big fan of Solas, but  apart from that, I love the cast. After that comes the cast of DA2, mainly because of Varric and Isabella, two of my alltime favorites and then DAO. In DAO I mostly like Zevran, Wynne, Leliana and Sten. The rest is meh for me andf Oghren stays in the camp the whole game. I hate, that he is forced on you again in DAA. But it seems many people find him funny. I only find him sad and a bit pathetic.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 18, 2020, 02:17:03 PM
ROMANCES... THE BREAD AND BUTTER AND CRUST AND JAM AND EGGS AND ORANGE JUICE OF EVERY BIOWARE GAME !

(https://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/john-aeryn-3.jpg?resize=740%2C450&type=vertical&ssl=1)

Wait... that's not a Bioware game... nevermind.

As for Dragon Age: Origins, I really liked Morrigan's romance and how well it linked itself to the main plot. On the contrary however, I have a crisis with DA:I as I currently have no relationship whatsoever... I did not enjoy Josephine's romance and Cassandra is... a nun in armor... I don't know. My only solution might be to create a female elf and try the Blackwall romance, since he is one of my favorite characters in DA:I

You'll obviously note that I left DA:2 last... and for one damn good reason:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/5/5a/IsabelaDAII.png/revision/latest?cb=20110824041706&path-prefix=de)

Way. Too. Much. Fun.

It's not often that you get a romance option like Isabela, who disagrees with most of the traditional moral choices that any male player might make in a game like this. It demands of you, the player, to know her, understand her and be legitimately interested in her character to not only allow you to gain her affection but also to change her mindset and her values in a significant manner. Bravo Bioware.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 04:02:59 PM
I only played the Isabela romance with female Hawkes, but it is fun too. There is as much emphasis on the romance factor as is on female bonding.

The Blackwall romance is great too. He was my first romance and it was nice and down to earth. He is a bit too serious for my taste though. Nevertheless great character and well written romance arc.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 04:58:17 PM
@Fylimar:  Like I said Morrigan is still a cruel bitch even if you romance her.  but I like how she is in camp when talking to the player.  My favorite cast is the one from Origins, I like almost all the companions except for Ohgren.  My second favorite cast is DAI, I like all except Sera.  Solas saved my Qunari's hide many times.  Though I never completed the game I know about Solas' true identity.  Lastly my third favorite cast is from DA2, don't get me wrong I like the dynamic between Hawke and Carver, I just don't find that cast that memorable.

About Ser Jory.  I did not know he talks down to the player if they are a woman.  I never played a female character in the game, so I did not know.  As a male Cousland he is respectful.  As a male mage he is somewhat frightened of you.

@Highwayman667:  I agree about Isabela she is my favorite romance in that game.  I almost let all the negative comments about the game deter me from playing DA2.  Luckily I gave it a chance and enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 18, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
I agree about Isabela she is my favorite romance in that game.  I almost let all the negative comments about the game deter me from playing DA2.  Luckily I gave it a chance and enjoyed it.

You chose well *claps*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 09:55:12 AM
@Fylimar:  Like I said Morrigan is still a cruel bitch even if you romance her.  but I like how she is in camp when talking to the player.  My favorite cast is the one from Origins, I like almost all the companions except for Ohgren.  My second favorite cast is DAI, I like all except Sera.  Solas saved my Qunari's hide many times.  Though I never completed the game I know about Solas' true identity.  Lastly my third favorite cast is from DA2, don't get me wrong I like the dynamic between Hawke and Carver, I just don't find that cast that memorable.

About Ser Jory.  I did not know he talks down to the player if they are a woman.  I never played a female character in the game, so I did not know.  As a male Cousland he is respectful.  As a male mage he is somewhat frightened of you.

@Highwayman667:  I agree about Isabela she is my favorite romance in that game.  I almost let all the negative comments about the game deter me from playing DA2.  Luckily I gave it a chance and enjoyed it.

Ser Jory comes across as a bit racist, when you talk to him as an elf or a dwarf. He seems to be a very conservative guy, who thinks, only men and humans can fight and should join the Grey Wardens. Which is strange in a world, where women can be everything they want. Elves don't have a good reputation, but from what I get, dwarves have. So he is just being a bigott here I gues. Maybe a really insecure guy, judging by his otehr dialogues.

I really would have loved for Daveth to survive and become a companion, but he seems to share some similarities with Zevran, so maybe that would have been redundant.

Apart from Varric (the best of all), Zevran, Isa and Dorian, I really like the Iron Bull. ANd I thought, I wouldn't warm up to him before playing the game - mostly because of the ridiculous name. But he is such a great character, fun to have around, but he often is the one, saying something porfound and/or comforting to the inquisitor. I must say, I really like his romance. And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

In DAO I love the quest with the Dalish and the werewolves. It's nice, that you can bring peace to both groups and I really like the storyteller of the Dalish, despite him being very antagonistic at first, if you not Dalish. But if you talk to him, he warms up and is really helpful later. I like Lanaya and Swiftrunner too.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 19, 2020, 05:17:59 PM
And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

That's an interesting decision. Are the lives of the chargers more valuable than what is probably a hundred qunari crewmen ?

If anything the outcome of saving the chargers is a lot more fun: "Oh, this deadly poison ? Don't worry Inquisitor, already took the antidote a few days ago !"

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

This quest is so fucking good.

It's a bit of a shame that none of the sidequests (PERHAPS making exceptions on the companion ones) are nowhere near this good. If DA4 has quests like that, inside a tighter, more focused game... then we'll have a new classic on our hands.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

It's kind of a shame that these type of expansion packs, or even quests in the main game, don't seem to engage a lot of the fandom. Many people want a story about the end of the world with every game but fail to realize that it become redundant over time. That's why I've been a bit skeptical about the whole deal with Solas and the Dread Wolf, it's looking like it might be yet another story with "huge stakes"... we'll see.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 05:38:51 PM
And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

That's an interesting decision. Are the lives of the chargers more valuable than what is probably a hundred qunari crewmen ?

If anything the outcome of saving the chargers is a lot more fun: "Oh, this deadly poison ? Don't worry Inquisitor, already took the antidote a few days ago !"

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

This quest is so fucking good.

It's a bit of a shame that none of the sidequests (PERHAPS making exceptions on the companion ones) are nowhere near this good. If DA4 has quests like that, inside a tighter, more focused game... then we'll have a new classic on our hands.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

It's kind of a shame that these type of expansion packs, or even quests in the main game, don't seem to engage a lot of the fandom. Many people want a story about the end of the world with every game but fail to realize that it become redundant over time. That's why I've been a bit skeptical about the whole deal with Solas and the Dread Wolf, it's looking like it might be yet another story with "huge stakes"... we'll see.

I love the 'smaller' stories usually more, than those big end of the world scenarios. I like DA2 the most, because basically, Hawke is a normallass or lad, that gets dragged into political intrigues and fights more or less against their will. Hawke is mostly a relatively normal (in terms of a game hero) person, who tries to survive.

About the Chargers: Their lifes are more important to me, because I know them. I don't know the Qunari, so basically, it's a simple egoistic decision. I always wanted to try to sacrifice the Charagers for the sake of a different story, but the one time, I did it, I felt bad and reloaded. Many player argue, that it would be in the inquisitions interest to help the Qunari and making new allies. But I like to play characters, that are not so versed with diplomacy and politics, the Dalish elf, the Carta dwarf, the human mage, who only knew the Circle before. Those types of characters would help their firends at the cost of an alliance - at least, I see it that way.

DAI has some nice side quests too, for example the one, where you help the scientist to get information about dragons or the Still Ruins or those elven ruins with the riddles. Some of the side quests are tedious though. I don't do the shards anymore. And I only solved the astrariums because of the puzzles, never finished it, I guess.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 19, 2020, 05:40:22 PM
Ser Jory comes across as a bit racist, when you talk to him as an elf or a dwarf. He seems to be a very conservative guy, who thinks, only men and humans can fight and should join the Grey Wardens. Which is strange in a world, where women can be everything they want. Elves don't have a good reputation, but from what I get, dwarves have. So he is just being a bigott here I gues. Maybe a really insecure guy, judging by his otehr dialogues.

I really would have loved for Daveth to survive and become a companion, but he seems to share some similarities with Zevran, so maybe that would have been redundant.

Apart from Varric (the best of all), Zevran, Isa and Dorian, I really like the Iron Bull. ANd I thought, I wouldn't warm up to him before playing the game - mostly because of the ridiculous name. But he is such a great character, fun to have around, but he often is the one, saying something porfound and/or comforting to the inquisitor. I must say, I really like his romance. And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

In DAO I love the quest with the Dalish and the werewolves. It's nice, that you can bring peace to both groups and I really like the storyteller of the Dalish, despite him being very antagonistic at first, if you not Dalish. But if you talk to him, he warms up and is really helpful later. I like Lanaya and Swiftrunner too.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

I did not know any of that about Ser Jory.  I've only played as a human male noble and mage.  With the male noble he is respectful, and with a male mage he is frightful.  Now I wanna try a dwarven noble.  Never played as one and I have had this game since 2009.  I also wanna try City elf.  Dalish looks like fun but I don't know how to build rogues effectively, especially archer rogues.

I also liked Daveth and though he would become a permanent party member.  But I also thought the same with Duncan who I also liked.

I agree about Varric he is great.  I felt bad for him after his brother died.  But I have a lot of favorite companions liek Dorian, Solas, Cassandra, Morrigan, Alistair, Wynne, Anders, Carver/Bethany, and much much more.  Way too many to post here.

Favorite Quests?  I agree with you about the Dalish quest.  But I also like the Human Noble and Mage Origins, as well as trying to save Connor from demonic posession.  In DA2 there was a quest where an elf who lives in elven ghetto I forgot it's name.  She tells you her son is posessed by a demon and that he went to the Dalish for help, but has not returned.  I liked that quest.  Oh I like the creepy quest where Hawke has to find his mother.  I also like the quest when we go to the Deep Roads.  It was the first time I lost Bethany.  I had to redo that whole quest and bring Anders with me to save her.  In that game I was a warrior and Bethany was a kickass mage at that point.

In DAI I like the quest in Crestwood I think the name is where you have to close a rift in the middle of the Ocean.  Once closed Crestwood changes from dark and stormy to bright and sunny.  I like the little quests when trying to romance Cassandra.  I like when in the Fade and we first meet Cole.

As for dlc for DA2.  I have a strange bug that only happens to me apparently.  I bought all dlc for DA2, and don't have access to them.  What I mean by that is it does not show up in game.  For example I never got the Marbari or met Sebastion.  It is a reallu weird and unique only to me bug.  I even contacted EA and nothing.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 06:12:58 PM
Ser Jory comes across as a bit racist, when you talk to him as an elf or a dwarf. He seems to be a very conservative guy, who thinks, only men and humans can fight and should join the Grey Wardens. Which is strange in a world, where women can be everything they want. Elves don't have a good reputation, but from what I get, dwarves have. So he is just being a bigott here I gues. Maybe a really insecure guy, judging by his otehr dialogues.

I really would have loved for Daveth to survive and become a companion, but he seems to share some similarities with Zevran, so maybe that would have been redundant.

Apart from Varric (the best of all), Zevran, Isa and Dorian, I really like the Iron Bull. ANd I thought, I wouldn't warm up to him before playing the game - mostly because of the ridiculous name. But he is such a great character, fun to have around, but he often is the one, saying something porfound and/or comforting to the inquisitor. I must say, I really like his romance. And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

In DAO I love the quest with the Dalish and the werewolves. It's nice, that you can bring peace to both groups and I really like the storyteller of the Dalish, despite him being very antagonistic at first, if you not Dalish. But if you talk to him, he warms up and is really helpful later. I like Lanaya and Swiftrunner too.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

I did not know any of that about Ser Jory.  I've only played as a human male noble and mage.  With the male noble he is respectful, and with a male mage he is frightful.  Now I wanna try a dwarven noble.  Never played as one and I have had this game since 2009.  I also wanna try City elf.  Dalish looks like fun but I don't know how to build rogues effectively, especially archer rogues.

I also liked Daveth and though he would become a permanent party member.  But I also thought the same with Duncan who I also liked.

I agree about Varric he is great.  I felt bad for him after his brother died.  But I have a lot of favorite companions liek Dorian, Solas, Cassandra, Morrigan, Alistair, Wynne, Anders, Carver/Bethany, and much much more.  Way too many to post here.

Favorite Quests?  I agree with you about the Dalish quest.  But I also like the Human Noble and Mage Origins, as well as trying to save Connor from demonic posession.  In DA2 there was a quest where an elf who lives in elven ghetto I forgot it's name.  She tells you her son is posessed by a demon and that he went to the Dalish for help, but has not returned.  I liked that quest.  Oh I like the creepy quest where Hawke has to find his mother.  I also like the quest when we go to the Deep Roads.  It was the first time I lost Bethany.  I had to redo that whole quest and bring Anders with me to save her.  In that game I was a warrior and Bethany was a kickass mage at that point.

In DAI I like the quest in Crestwood I think the name is where you have to close a rift in the middle of the Ocean.  Once closed Crestwood changes from dark and stormy to bright and sunny.  I like the little quests when trying to romance Cassandra.  I like when in the Fade and we first meet Cole.

As for dlc for DA2.  I have a strange bug that only happens to me apparently.  I bought all dlc for DA2, and don't have access to them.  What I mean by that is it does not show up in game.  For example I never got the Marbari or met Sebastion.  It is a reallu weird and unique only to me bug.  I even contacted EA and nothing.

I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

Crestwood is generally a great map, in fact, my favorite one in DAI. I liked every quest there and the creepiness of the whole setting. Totally forgot this.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 19, 2020, 06:23:41 PM
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 06:36:32 PM
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.

I will contact them as soon as I have my new computer. Doesn't make much sense before. But I really like the dlcs back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 19, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.

I will contact them as soon as I have my new computer. Doesn't make much sense before. But I really like the dlcs back.

Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Oh there's a rare bug with both the STEAM and GOG versions of DAO.  Sometimes it will not install the dlc.  To fix this just verify/repair your installation, and boom you get all dlc.

Crestwood is a great map, and indeed creepy.  Very atmospheric.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 09:15:37 PM
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.

I will contact them as soon as I have my new computer. Doesn't make much sense before. But I really like the dlcs back.

Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Oh there's a rare bug with both the STEAM and GOG versions of DAO.  Sometimes it will not install the dlc.  To fix this just verify/repair your installation, and boom you get all dlc.

Crestwood is a great map, and indeed creepy.  Very atmospheric.

I have the physical copy of the ultimate edition of Dragon Age and installed the dlcs like the game from the cds. DAA is still working, I'm playing it right now.

BTW: Sigrun - what a great character, I love her.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 20, 2020, 01:11:29 AM
Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Best advice. Fucking Origin.

And yes fylimar. Sigrun was amazing. I actually find all the Awakening companions to be a rather excellent and almost criminally underrated cast of companions.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 21, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Best advice. Fucking Origin.

And yes fylimar. Sigrun was amazing. I actually find all the Awakening companions to be a rather excellent and almost criminally underrated cast of companions.

I love Sigrun, Anders and Nathaniel for sure. Justice is interesting, but I can't get over the fact, that he is basically a rotting corpse. I really don't like Oghren at all. Many fans of the series treat him as the fun character, but to me, he is just a sad alcoholic, who can't get a grip on his life. Velanna is a bit meh. Normally, I would have sent her away, but my thoughts are, that if she is in my group, at least she isn't going to kill innocent people. Since I'm playing a mage this time and have Anders in the group a lot, I won't have much need for Velanna this playthrough though.
My party mainly consists of Nathaniel, Sigrun and Anders with my mage Miya as the lead.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 21, 2020, 07:55:57 PM
I love Sigrun, Anders and Nathaniel for sure. Justice is interesting, but I can't get over the fact, that he is basically a rotting corpse. I really don't like Oghren at all. Many fans of the series treat him as the fun character, but to me, he is just a sad alcoholic, who can't get a grip on his life. Velanna is a bit meh. Normally, I would have sent her away, but my thoughts are, that if she is in my group, at least she isn't going to kill innocent people. Since I'm playing a mage this time and have Anders in the group a lot, I won't have much need for Velanna this playthrough though. My party mainly consists of Nathaniel, Sigrun and Anders with my mage Miya as the lead.

I could never call myself a contrarian if I didn't make a stand for my girl Velanna.

I don't think anyone really likes her but I find her to be a very honestly-written character. She hates humans, city elves and is rather ruthless towards anyone she determines as responsible for her woes. A lot of people in deeply oppresive circumstances react like she does. It kind of makes sense some people would find her off-putting.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 21, 2020, 08:28:03 PM
I love Sigrun, Anders and Nathaniel for sure. Justice is interesting, but I can't get over the fact, that he is basically a rotting corpse. I really don't like Oghren at all. Many fans of the series treat him as the fun character, but to me, he is just a sad alcoholic, who can't get a grip on his life. Velanna is a bit meh. Normally, I would have sent her away, but my thoughts are, that if she is in my group, at least she isn't going to kill innocent people. Since I'm playing a mage this time and have Anders in the group a lot, I won't have much need for Velanna this playthrough though. My party mainly consists of Nathaniel, Sigrun and Anders with my mage Miya as the lead.

I could never call myself a contrarian if I didn't make a stand for my girl Velanna.

I don't think anyone really likes her but I find her to be a very honestly-written character. She hates humans, city elves and is rather ruthless towards anyone she determines as responsible for her woes. A lot of people in deeply oppresive circumstances react like she does. It kind of makes sense some people would find her off-putting.

Well, she kills innocent people, so yeah, I find her very offputting.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 21, 2020, 08:39:07 PM
Well, she kills innocent people, so yeah, I find her very offputting.

What did you think of Sten ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 21, 2020, 10:53:40 PM
Also fylimar, here's my personal link to download all DLC. Maybe you can try and see if it helps:

https://help.ea.com/en-ca/help/origin/origin/download-dlc-for-classic-origin-games/#dragonage

Please do not play without Shale. Don't deny yourself the joy.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 22, 2020, 12:17:03 AM
I agree.  Shale is great.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 03:46:26 AM
I agree.  Shale is great.

Morrigan ? Leliana ? Can't compare to this sexy beauty !

(https://lparchive.org/Dragon-Age-Origins/Update%2038/1-image001.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 22, 2020, 09:30:29 AM
Also fylimar, here's my personal link to download all DLC. Maybe you can try and see if it helps:

https://help.ea.com/en-ca/help/origin/origin/download-dlc-for-classic-origin-games/#dragonage

Please do not play without Shale. Don't deny yourself the joy.

Thank you, that is very nice of you. I love Shale, I don't agree with her birdbpolicy, but other than that, she is great.
Especially with Wynne in the group.

About Sten: Although he committed an unforgivable crime, he seemed to have been temporarily out of his mind, meaning, he seemed to have lost control of his actions for a short time. Velanna on the other hand is fully aware of what she is doing.
But you are right, Sten is a worrysome case, since he completely lost it. He didn't just throw a tantrum, he slaughtered a whole family. Makes you think, what he would do, if he is extremely unhappy or shocked again.

If you look closer at most companions, they are not save. I should stick with Dog.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 03:51:57 PM
About Sten: Although he committed an unforgivable crime, he seemed to have been temporarily out of his mind, meaning, he seemed to have lost control of his actions for a short time. Velanna on the other hand is fully aware of what she is doing. But you are right, Sten is a worrysome case, since he completely lost it. He didn't just throw a tantrum, he slaughtered a whole family. Makes you think, what he would do, if he is extremely unhappy or shocked again.

If you look closer at most companions, they are not save. I should stick with Dog.

Well... Sten CAN betray you at Haven soooooo... it s true indeed that he is a volatile element of the team. Velanna, even though willing and guilty, is also a strange case of what happens when people become seriously oppressed and discriminated in society. If you can, check out Phoolan Devi's life, she is a sort of "Indian Velanna" with a very interesting and controversial life story.

Two things (now that we're talking DA) interest me a lot for the sequel:

1) Should we have a war table ? And if we do, who should advise in it ? (as Cullen, Leliana and Josephine did).

2) Who should be an obligatory returning companion in the sequel ? (let's try to keep it interesting, just one).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 22, 2020, 05:16:47 PM
If it's just one companion, it has to be Varric for me. He is the best.
Personally I think we might see Dorian again (which would be cool too) because DA4 is to be set on Tevinter and maybe Lace Harding as the connection to the inquisition, which might play a role because of the dread wolf (I try to be careful here with spoilers about the identity, because Talyn hasn't finished DAI yet, therefore using only the nickname).

War table would be OK, if it makes sense, but without the long waiting times. As advisors I could see Dorian, maybe Charter, the Inquisition agent, and maybe someone with a military background.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 05:28:01 PM
I agree, we could probably do without the long waiting times in the war table. HOWEVER, I think Varric could actually take the spymaster advisor post in the war table. I mention this because I find it a bit silly that Varric would be close friends with every single savior in Thedas, with the exception of the Hero of Ferelden.

I think... actually, I bet... Dorian will be the returning companion. No question given how the next game is indeed in Tevinter.

However, given that the date of release might be around 2022... I wonder...

... what is actually NEXT for Bioware ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 22, 2020, 06:55:51 PM
I probably just can't live without my favorite dwarf. But spy master would be OK for me.

I don't know, what is next for Bioware. Is there even time for a game before DA4?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 07:03:49 PM
I probably just can't live without my favorite dwarf. But spy master would be OK for me.

We did get one of the best quests in DA:I with Leliana so the format does stand to work pretty well if he could return as advisor.

I don't know, what is next for Bioware. Is there even time for a game before DA4?

No idea really. But I ask because there were rumors of a new Mass Effect game. An idea that I'm not in favor of.

Still, Casey Hudson is back in Bioware now so I do trust that everything, even Dragon Age, is in good hands now.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 22, 2020, 10:34:46 PM
If it's just one companion, it has to be Varric for me. He is the best.
Personally I think we might see Dorian again (which would be cool too) because DA4 is to be set on Tevinter and maybe Lace Harding as the connection to the inquisition, which might play a role because of the dread wolf (I try to be careful here with spoilers about the identity, because Talyn hasn't finished DAI yet, therefore using only the nickname).

War table would be OK, if it makes sense, but without the long waiting times. As advisors I could see Dorian, maybe Charter, the Inquisition agent, and maybe someone with a military background.

It's okay you can say who the Dread Wolf is.  His identity was spoiled for me long time ago.  When I was reading the character thread on the BioWare forums.  That character was one of my favorites in that game.

As to who I see coming back.  Like you I like Varric, but since it's Tevinter I see Dorian coming back.  I liked Dorian I have never seen a necromancer like him before.  But both him and Solas as companions, and Cassandra or Blackwall as the other made a deadly combination.  I hope Vivienne does not come back.  I did not like her.  She believed keeping mages locked away was a godd thing despite her being one herself.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 08:43:53 AM
Iron Bull is a great companion and a good fighter. Just give him some feats from the Guardian tree (I guess its called that, the one with the tank skills) and he will never go down. Character wise he has become a favorite of mine, together with Varric and Dorian.
I do like all DAI characters, though I found the Solas romance boring. Plus he is a racist, just talk to him about any other race or group.
I actually like Vivienne, Indira Varma does a great job in brining her to life. She is not a nice person, she is mainly looking out for herself. But you see another side of her, when you do her quest. She is really vulnerable there and shows, that she can love someone other than herself.
 Plus personally, I find her the best looking woman in all games. I really love her look.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 23, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
Vivienne is a great character. Even if she may seem very unlikable.

I'd say she could probably come back but that might be a bit difficult regarding characters like Leliana, Cassandra and Vivienne since they all might be Divines. It's a bit clear to me that the reason why we're moving away from southern Thedas and into the northern part is precisely because we might not be ready for a game with such huge consequences to translate into yet another story. Tevinter is pretty much free from the influence of all the southern politics so that's a very easy place to set a new adventure.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 05:16:31 PM
Iron Bull is a great companion and a good fighter. Just give him some feats from the Guardian tree (I guess its called that, the one with the tank skills) and he will never go down. Character wise he has become a favorite of mine, together with Varric and Dorian.
I do like all DAI characters, though I found the Solas romance boring. Plus he is a racist, just talk to him about any other race or group.
I actually like Vivienne, Indira Varma does a great job in brining her to life. She is not a nice person, she is mainly looking out for herself. But you see another side of her, when you do her quest. She is really vulnerable there and shows, that she can love someone other than herself.
 Plus personally, I find her the best looking woman in all games. I really love her look.

I agree about everything you said about Iron Bull.  He is one of my favorites too.  As for Solas.  I never got the impression that he was racist towards other races, and I played as a Qunari.  He never talked down to me  Maybe if I play as a human things would be different?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 23, 2020, 05:38:44 PM
I agree about everything you said about Iron Bull.  He is one of my favorites too. As for Solas. I never got the impression that he was racist towards other races, and I played as a Qunari. He never talked down to me Maybe if I play as a human things would be different?

Well... he can be pretty harsh against the Dalish:

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
And Solas had some choice things to say to my poor little Lia Cadash. And she had almost full approval with him. He said something along the line that most dwarves are too stupid to live and she was the exception. That was a dick move. She never talked to him again afterwards.

I agree with Highwayman667, that probably none of the posibble Divines will return. At least I hope, Bioware learned their lesson from the Revan disaster (hey, your character can be female, male, dark side, light side, whatever you like - oops Revan is a white male now in our Canon and slightly mad and darksidish - sorry all your female, colored and lightside Revans. Oh yes, and canonically, he banged Bastilla, sorry Carth lovers). OK, choosing a Canon world state Divine might not have that big an impact than taking away a player character and make it a really stupid nsc, but sill.

And in case you are wondering, yes, I'm still mad about Revan.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 07:33:41 PM
And Juhani lovers. I think, she is a romance option too.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 23, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
And Solas had some choice things to say to my poor little Lia Cadash. And she had almost full approval with him. He said something along the line that most dwarves are too stupid to live and she was the exception. That was a dick move. She never talked to him again afterwards.

And that guy is supposed to be the villain in DA4 ?

Booooooooooooooring !

And in case you are wondering, yes, I'm still mad about Revan.

I'm sort of on the fence on this... sort of.

It was probably not the best decision to "make a canon Revan" but putting yourself in their place, what might've been the solution ? To never speak of the character again ? I guess you could've made vague references, similar to what happens with the Hero of Ferelden... but I don't know.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 08:12:40 PM
I would have been ok with the vague references tbh. For the Exile too.

I agree, Solas is a bit boring, like the bookkeeper of the elvhen pantheon. And a bully, as my poor Lia would agree.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 08:30:18 PM
@Fylimar:  I felt the same way about the Exile from KOTOR 2.  Between Revan and the Exile, the Exile is my favorite protagonist, and in my head canon he is a smart ass cocky Jedi Guardian/Weapon Master.  But then SWTOR came out and made the Exile a white female who got killed like a chump, and became a Revan cheerleader and had been keeping him alive for centuries.  I have no problem that the Exile is a white female.  I just don't like how easily they killed her off and then turned her into a Revan cheerleader.  I also don't like how that made Revan a deadbeat who left his pregnant wife behind.  Also they made him a dumbass he left into the unknown regions by himself with no back up.  At least when Avellone was writing the story for K2, he respected the character of Revan, and instead of downplaying him, he turned Revan into a god figure.  Which is one of the things that annoyed me by the way.  Revan can do now wrong.  Everything he has done he had planned beforehand.

Anyway I am ranting.

@Highwayman667:  I would have preferred vague references than a set canon.  That's what I love about the Elder Scrolls series.  No one knows what was the fate of the Nerevarine from Morrowind.  There was only rumor and speculation.  No one even knows what race or gender the Nerevarine was.  The same thing will happen with Dragonborn.  Notice I did not mention the Champion of Cyrodiil?  Well he/she became Sheogorath Daedric Prince of Madness and appeared in Skyrim.

But yeah Highwayman667 I would have preferred vague references to both Revan and the Exile.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 08:32:45 PM
I would have been ok with the vague references tbh. For the Exile too.

I agree, Solas is a bit boring, like the bookkeeper of the elvhen pantheon. And a bully, as my poor Lia would agree.

I don't know maybe the reason why he wasn't racist with my Qunari was because Solas is small and frail, and my Qunari is big and strong, and yeah I know Solas is an elven god, but we did not know that in the beginning.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 09:17:21 PM
Yes, I'm equally mad at what they did to Revan and the Exile. At least in my case, they got the gender of the Exile right, but that was it.
And my Revans normally fight Bastila in the end not marring her. The thought alone is... no. I never liked Bastila, she was Hermione without Hermiones good characteristics, so I normally didn't even get her approval high enough to prevent her going darkside.

As for Solas, I'm a bit surprised, he didn't say something to your Qunari, because I rember having a conversation with him about Qunari, that wasn't nice. And I wasn't even playing a Qunari. Maybe he is really too chicken, to confront a Qunari directly, who knows.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 10:07:59 PM
Yes, I'm equally mad at what they did to Revan and the Exile. At least in my case, they got the gender of the Exile right, but that was it.
And my Revans normally fight Bastila in the end not marring her. The thought alone is... no. I never liked Bastila, she was Hermione without Hermiones good characteristics, so I normally didn't even get her approval high enough to prevent her going darkside.

As for Solas, I'm a bit surprised, he didn't say something to your Qunari, because I rember having a conversation with him about Qunari, that wasn't nice. And I wasn't even playing a Qunari. Maybe he is really too chicken, to confront a Qunari directly, who knows.

That is why I don't want BioWare to canonize my Grey Warden.  The canon never meets the fans expectations.

As for Solas.  Yeah he's a punk around my Qunari.  I played up to when Haven is destroyed and the Inquisitor and crew move to a new location.  So I spent some time with Solas in my party and he never made me want to punch him in the face.  Also isn't he and Varric friends?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 24, 2020, 06:44:14 AM
His racist talk is much later in the new location, so your Qunari might still get it.
Solas and Varric aren't friends, they are just civil with each other and of course Varric is normally nice to everyone.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 24, 2020, 09:12:25 PM
Solas and Varric aren't friends, they are just civil with each other and of course Varric is normally nice to everyone.

They do seem to sound friendly to each other:

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 24, 2020, 09:39:34 PM
Yes, they are mostly friendly, but I wouldn't call them friends. I think, Solas and Varric are too different and have a different world view to ever become friends. Just look on their approach with Cole, that nearly made them go at each others throats (not literally).
Plus Solas thinks, dwarves are stupid, remember?

I like the dynamic between Varric and Cassandra - it'S something of an annoyed crush ... I don't know how else to call it.
And Sera and Blackwall get along pretty well - which of course discredit what I said above about differences, but I do think, that Seras and Blackwall are not that different. Both have seen dark things, Sera tries to deflect that with humor and sometimes anger, while Blackwall ... dealt differently with it. That is spoiler territory again and since you find out about it late in the game and it is a questline, I leave it there. People who have played DAI know, what I mean.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 24, 2020, 10:48:06 PM
Who should be an obligatory returning companion in the sequel ? (let's try to keep it interesting, just one).
No one. Let me explain i don´t think that Bioware will contiue this tradition with a previous companion because they have with their rules
no that many candidates. Just Varric and Cole. Bioware won´t bring them former romances as companion back. So no Cassandra, Dorian, Iron Bull,
Josephine, Cullen, Sera, Blackwall or Solas. Also Solas makes no sense as returning companion well for obvious reasons.
Vivienne could be Divine and isn´t that beloved.

If Dorian wasn´t a romance of course he would be the Nr. 1 pick for carryover companion. Also i think like Leliana in DAI he is more an Advisor /major NPC
than companion. But i believe that she still have a Lucerni Companion.
I am talking about the first transgender companion from Bioware. Maevaris Tilani.

So my money is on Lace Harding. No previous companion but very easy to include her as DA 4 companion in every player (decision) worldstate.
And the Bioware authors really like the Venatori leader Calpernia so she is my last one.

So my picks for returning NPCs or comic characters as companions are Harding, Maevaris and Calpernia. The other 6 six are complete new.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 12:47:08 AM
If Dorian wasn´t a romance of course he would be the Nr. 1 pick for carryover companion. Also i think like Leliana in DAI he is more an Advisor /major NPC than companion. But i believe that she still have a Lucerni Companion. I am talking about the first transgender companion from Bioware. Maevaris Tilani.

I think Dorian might come back similarly to Morrigan and Leliana. Meaning non-romanceable. He'll support the "DA4 hero" in some way or the other but without the possibility of having romantic interactions. I really believe he'll come back because he is BY FAR the most beloved companion besides Varric.

Honestly though, I don't dig Varric coming back again as a companion. It would be too silly seeing him make friends with yet another Dragon Age hero. I would deffinitely take him as an advisor if the War Table returns since he could be a great spymaster.

So my money is on Lace Harding. No previous companion but very easy to include her as DA 4 companion in every player (decision) worldstate. And the Bioware authors really like the Venatori leader Calpernia so she is my last one. So my picks for returning NPCs or comic characters as companions are Harding, Maevaris and Calpernia. The other 6 six are complete new.

Yeah, Harding is deffinitely going to be in DA4 in some capacity or the other. BW fans just get over-attached to some characters.

But fuck it. I'll take her.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 07:45:01 AM
I agree, Dorian will probably come back, non romanceable. Tbh not all should be about romances, some of the best characters weren't romanceable:Wynne, Shale, the DAA cast, Aveline, my bro Varric, Vivienne, Cole. So Dorian could return as advisor or companion without disregarding any existing romance with the Inquisitor or Iron Bull.

I know that it isn't likely, that Varric will return, it's just my personal wish.

I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.

And I totally forgot Maervaris. She is Varric friend, is a Magister fighting against the depravity of the Tevinter ruling class and an interesting character. She would make a great advisor.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.

Oh maker... he is SO awesome.

He can die in DA2 though, right ? Still, he'd make for a great appearence in DA4.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.

Oh maker... he is SO awesome.

He can die in DA2 though, right ? Still, he'd make for a great appearence in DA4.

Can he die? I thought, you can give him back to Danarius, maybe he escapes again. I never do that, it's just too evil.
Besides, Leliana can die too, still she came back in both DA2 and DAI. Fenris is alive in the Canon universe, there are comics about his adventures after DA2 (Blue Wraith).

Although he can die in the game too, Sten could make a return. In Canon, he is promoted to Arishok (its in the comics, not in any game), so if you have to deal with the official Qunari government, you might meet him.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 12:55:20 PM
He can die in DA2 though, right ? Still, he'd make for a great appearence in DA4.

That one is sort of a strange retcon because Leliana "officially can't die". Apparently "the maker" brings her back if you choose to kill her at the temple... or some dumb crap.

Although he can die in the game too, Sten could make a return. In Canon, he is promoted to Arishok (its in the comics, not in any game), so if you have to deal with the official Qunari government, you might meet him.

Hell yes I want to meet Sten again !

This is a must, even if we just don't have a Sten in our playthroughs. Since we're in Tevinter it is also likely we'll be visiting the lands of the Qun, given how both countries are seemingly at war... even more reason for us to bring fereldan chocolate chip cookies to the latest Arishok.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 03:34:57 PM
Really? They retconned Leliana death with the Maker? That is stupid.

Speaking of the Qun: There would actually be a chance to meet Tallis again. As far as we know, she is still following the Qun.
But I agree, meeting Sten again would be great.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 03:37:24 PM
I think Dorian might come back similarly to Morrigan and Leliana. Meaning non-romanceable. He'll support the "DA4 hero" in some way or the other but without the possibility of having romantic interactions.
Well i believe that we will deal in DA 4 with different faction and Dorian is the leader of the Lucerni party which was establish in the Trespasser DLC.
He can´t join the DA 4 party but we have the similiar Maevaris instead.

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I really believe he'll come back because he is BY FAR the most beloved companion besides Varric.
The DA 4 Setting is Tevinter (and hopeful Seheron and maybe Anderfels / Weißhaupt) so of course is Dorian Back. Besides Fenris he is the most
memorable Tevinter NPC so he is absolut no-brainer.

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Honestly though, I don't dig Varric coming back again as a companion. It would be too silly seeing him make friends with yet another Dragon Age hero. I would deffinitely take him as an advisor if the War Table returns since he could be a great spymaster.
Have you played the Trespasser DLC? Varric is Vicomte of Kirkwall and has tons of work to do. So i don´t think he will back.
Also i am a big Varric fan but come on after 2 games with severall DLCs it time that other NPCs get the screentime.
So no Leliana (it is more than enough she was in everything), Cullen, Alistair,  Varric, Loghain, and maybe Morrigan & Flemeth please.
The focus should be more on NPCs who had only one apperience. So more of Shale, Sten, Nathaniel, Velenna, Fenris or Tallis for example
than the guys who were in every game. Also its a little bit to forced to bring them always back.

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Yeah, Harding is deffinitely going to be in DA4 in some capacity or the other. BW fans just get over-attached to some characters.

But fuck it. I'll take her.
You one need one of the Inquisition members in the DA 4 party and Harding is the easiest. She always lives in every world states. You can´t chance
their fate like making her Divine and yes you can flirt with her but even Bioware had admit that this wasn´t a romance. Just a flirt.
Last but not least everybody loves her. The fans and of course all in Bioware.

I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.
Of course Fenris is back. He is currently featured in a new comic series and he comes from Tevinter. I think we have one / two quests with him in DA 4.
If Fenris is dead well we won´t get his quest or Fenris has a replacement character. But i think that Fenris will be more than just a cameo.

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She would make a great advisor.
I disagree Maevaris should be a companion along with Calpernia.
There is no need for Maevaris as advisor if we already have Dorian as our Lucerni advisor / Faction leader / major NPC.

Edit: So conclusion every former NPC / companion who makes sense in a Tevinter setting is likely to reappear if he/she isn´t dead in most worldstates.
So no Caladrius as cameo but Tallis, Dorian or Sten/ Arishok are back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 04:26:15 PM
I don't get all that Caloernia hype. The one time, I did choose the Templar over the mages and did get Caloernia as an adversary, I found her not very memorable Tbh. I hope, we won't see her again.
We should see Flemeth again, if only to bring one open question from DAI to rest (that would be a very big spoiler for Talyn, so please keep that vague).

Wilhelm:you are contradicting yourself a bit. First you say, you don't believe, Dorian will be back, then you say, he will definitely be back. Can you clear that up?
I think, we will see both Maervaris and Dorian, although I don't know, if it makes sense for any of them to travel with the hero. I guess it comes down to what your role will be. Both have climbed the social ladder pretty high and both can't afford to be away too long, because in their absence, others will work on their political downfall. Look at what happened to Maervaris father (he wasn't away, but too lenient). So the new hero should be in a position to help their cause, to make sense for them to be there and help imo.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 04:57:28 PM
I don't get all that Caloernia hype. The one time, I did choose the Templar over the mages and did get Caloernia as an adversary, I found her not very memorable Tbh. I hope, we won't see her again.
Well she was a former beaten "villian".  "According to Patrick Weekes, Calpernia quickly became a favorite of the writers due to her intriguing story and personality". https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Calpernia

 Also have you read her short story?
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Short_Story:_Paying_the_Ferryman
I like grey characters like Calpernia. She has done something terrible wrong in joining Corypheus (i doubt she could have reject Corypheus offer as slave)
but overall she is a good character with principles who has also a noble goal she want to change Tevinter but unlike Dorian or Maevaris
her goal is the end of slavery and not the corruption. So yeah she is very interessing character. Atleast for me and others like the Bioware staff.

So Calpernia will of course be back in DA 4. The only question what is her role in the game? Just a (major) NPC or even a companion and romance option?

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We should see Flemeth again, if only to bring one open question from DAI to rest (that would be a very big spoiler for Talyn, so please keep that vague).
Well there is the rumor that her voice actress Kate Mulgrew won´t reprise her role as Flemeth because she retires from voice work and therefore asked
Flemeth author David Gaider to end Flemeth story. Also the last scene makes it very clear that Flemeth story is over.
Maybe they to more with her daughter Morrigan or her other daughter Yavanna. I doubt that Yavanna is dead.

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Wilhelm:you are contradicting yourself a bit. First you say, you don't believe, Dorian will be back, then you say, he will definitely be back.
No i clearly have said that Dorian is certain to come back as major NPC but not as returning companion and romance!!!

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I think, we will see both Maervaris and Dorian, although I don't know, if it makes sense for any of them to travel with the hero.
You can argue with same argument for Vivienne and Calpernia.  Also Maevaris is more of an outcast magister and she also lost her home town through
the Qunari Invasion. So yeah the Qunari Invasion will change that.

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I guess it comes down to what your role will be. Both have climbed the social ladder pretty high and both can't afford to be away too long, because in their absence, others will work on their political downfall. Look at what happened to Maervaris father (he wasn't away, but too lenient). So the new hero should be in a position to help their cause, to make sense for them to be there and help imo.
Both Dorian and Maevaris are too similiar you have the same role in game.
Also like i said i think its time for the first transgender companion. And this should be Maevaris and no one else because she already exists years ago
and won´t see as forced as a complete new character.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 06:37:00 PM
I like grey characters like Calpernia. She has done something terrible wrong in joining Corypheus (i doubt she could have reject Corypheus offer as slave) but overall she is a good character with principles who has also a noble goal she want to change Tevinter but unlike Dorian or Maevaris her goal is the end of slavery and not the corruption. So yeah she is very interessing character. Atleast for me and others like the Bioware staff.

So Calpernia will of course be back in DA 4. The only question what is her role in the game? Just a (major) NPC or even a companion and romance option?

Speaking seriously here though... I think the only reason why she might be back is because her character wasn't really explored by most players. Almost no one sincerely picks the templars and thus misses the chance to see her.

Also, I'd like a bit of clarification on a certain issue: Calpernia is supposedly against slavery... yet weren't the mages (the ones she commands with Corypheus to assault the Inquisition's base at Haven) indentured servants themselves ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 07:04:08 PM
Speaking seriously here though... I think the only reason why she might be back is because her character wasn't really explored by most players. Almost no one sincerely picks the templars and thus misses the chance to see her.
I think the main reason when a character returns or not has to do if the Bioware authors wants to contiune to work with this character or not.
I think it doesn´t really matter for Calpernia DA 4 if you know her or not because every DA 4 even the Addon Awakeining is treated as a new game.
If had previous knowledge this is fine but every game stand on its own.
Also one of the main themes / decision of DA 4 is what should Tevinter become or what should the reformation looks like?

We could have three options. First nothing change = Archon Radonis; Moderate change = Lucerni / Dorian & Maevaris (end of the corruption but not end
of slavery) and the radical one = Calpernia and maybe Fenris (end of slavery)

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Also, I'd like a bit of clarification on a certain issue: Calpernia is supposedly against slavery... yet weren't the mages (the ones she commands with Corypheus to assault the Inquisition's base at Haven) indentured servants themselves ?
Technically yes but they justify this that they conscripts. Also Calpernia is a proud tevinter reformer with less sympathetic towards others
who aren´t really slaves and tevinter citizens. Which makes as former slave which also believe that Tevinter restore its former glory without slavery of course.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
We could have three options. First nothing change = Archon Radonis; Moderate change = Lucerni / Dorian & Maevaris (end of the corruption but not end of slavery) and the radical one = Calpernia and maybe Fenris (end of slavery)

Oh boy... DA4 is going to be A LOT of fun.

Technically yes but they justify this that they conscripts. Also Calpernia is a proud tevinter reformer with less sympathetic towards others who aren´t really slaves and tevinter citizens. Which makes as former slave which also believe that Tevinter restore its former glory without slavery of course.

That sounds much more clear. If she is as you describe, then I am fully on board for her.

NOW... LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THEDAS... A QUESTION FOR ALL OF YE...

Who should be the protagonist of DA4 ? So far, this is what we had in the franchise:

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None of those are mine, so we're giving high praise to someone's artistic depictions of their protagonists !

I am however, interested in speculating about how a new character might intercede in the story and what type of role would this character play in relation to said story. We know it's in Tevinter for sure, we know the protagonist could likely be Orlesian or Fereldan (please not this one, too much fucking Ferelden already) and that he/she could very well be narrated as a person from several different races in this universe. If possible, I would like to hear your pitches, ideas or speculations as to whom the main character of DA4 could be.

My idea, for example would be... A BLACKSTONE MERCENARY

Why ? Because we know those guys and their questline from DAO, thus they are familiar faces; we also know conflict is brewing in Tevinter (possibly with the Qunari) and a freelancing mercenary company fits with the historical sensibilities the franchise usually aspires to AND ALSO because it allows us to grow a faction of our own like in DAI (granted, despite the great flaws) that we can justifiably develop throughout the story and pledge to distinct causes, as we've done in DAI and even DAO/DAA arguably.

Also... I will not take anything less than a voiced protagonist. That is always a good thing.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 08:18:12 PM
That sounds much more clear. If she is as you describe, then I am fully on board for her.
Maybe (like i already mentioned) you should read her short story.
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Short_Story:_Paying_the_Ferryman

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Who should be the protagonist of DA4 ?

My idea, for example would be... A BLACKSTONE MERCENARY
Well my is not that different than yours but my idea is for protagonist is a pirat which later become an admiral.
Why pirates? The  Raiders of the Waking Sea /  Felicisima Armada are a faction which weren´t used that much in past.
Every races could work and Bioware could like DAI / DA 2 and save their ressources in one big memorable origin.
Also ship battles could make DA 4 more unique. And the new player home is your own ship.
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Waking_Sea

The lost words from Inquisitor in DAI (Trespasser) to find unlikely allies against Solas. And pirates are unlikely allies.
Last but not least Bioware wanted to do more with the Raiders in the scrapped DA 2 Adoon / DLC Exalted Marches so maybe they could
bring some elements back from this.

Your Blackstone mercerany idea is also good but i believe that Bioware has forgotten the Blackstone. Also you can change their leadership in DAO
so i doubt that they bring them back. Also they are too Ferelden.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
Wouldn't it be cool, if you were a Red Jenny? Probably never happens, still, I like the idea. But if they go for a game DAI style with advisors and such, there is probably a bigger faction involved. I wouldn't be surprised, if they revive the inquisition and make your character an agent of the inquisition. Although I like the pirate idea. ANd the Blackstone Irregulars. They don't get enough love.


Wilhelm:
I'm sorry, but I'm not a fan of Calpernia. She will probably turn up though, but I don't have to like it. LIke I didn't like the return of Oghren or Morrigan.
And about Flemeth, I'm pretty sure, she took precautions, like she always does. But if Kate Mulgrew doesn't want to return, then Flemeth probably won't either.

I finished my playthrough with Miya Amell today. I killed the Mother and saved Amaranthine and the Keep. Now she can ride into the sunset with Zevran :)

I have a picture of her attached.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 09:26:14 PM
But if they go for a game DAI style with advisors and such, there is probably a bigger faction involved.
I hope not DA 4 should its own thing and i would prefer that skip this system for DA 4 and make a more Fallout like faction system with the NPC.

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I wouldn't be surprised, if they revive the inquisition and make your character an agent of the inquisition.
Sorry not a fan of this idea. The playercharacter should also have the option to work aganist the Inquisition and their goals. I am not saying that PC should
join Solas but the PC shouldn´t be forced to do everything what the Inquisition / Inquisitior wants.
Harding as Inquisition member should be enough for Inquisition influence.

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Wilhelm:
I'm sorry, but I'm not a fan of Calpernia. She will probably turn up though, but I don't have to like it. LIke I didn't like the return of Oghren or Morrigan.
That is totally fine. Bioware said countless times that you don´t what to like everybody in your party. The only thing that matters for me is the
character interessing rather than likeable. I hate more characters like Sebastian or Blackwall who are just bland than controversial ones like DA 2 Anders,
Fenris, Oghren, Sera or Vivienne.

Edit: I disprize Velanna and hate everything about her but i still wish that Bioware contiunes Velannas and her sisters Seranis story because it is an
interessing plot and it wasn´t finished in Awakening.

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And about Flemeth, I'm pretty sure, she took precautions, like she always does. But if Kate Mulgrew doesn't want to return, then Flemeth probably won't either.
Well your DA 2 argument is a strong one but i would argue that Bioware hadn´t design the last Flemeth scene if they decide to bring her in DA 4.
Also from the storypoint what do you want tell for Flemeth.

My major argument against a Flemeth or even Morrigan / Alistair / Zevran or a big Cassandra scene is that those characters were writen by David Gaider.
And David Gaider had left Bioware. So maybe they shouldn´t come back.
By the way i know that David Gaider also wrote Dorian but there is no way that Dorian won´t come back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 10:39:15 PM
Well, I don't want to have the inquisition back, I just meant, it is possible, that they want continue with that fraction in some way, probably depending on how much space, if any at all, Solas story has in the game. I'd rather would see my character belonging to another faction or none at all. I'm not fond of religions and belonging to a religious faction, even when you can play as an atheist, is not really cool for me.

About characters:I agree about Sebastian. He is one of the worst characters, I ever encountered, together with Anomen from Baldurs Gate 2. I do like Blackwall though, he is interesting.

I guess, if the writer and the voice actor is gone, it probably doesn't matter, how to interpret the last scene, Flemeth will probably not come back in that case, which is a shame. She is for me one of the best recurring npcs.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 10:57:43 PM
Quote from: Wilhelm-Streicher
Well my is not that different than yours but my idea is for protagonist is a pirat which later become an admiral. Why pirates? The Raiders of the Waking Sea / Felicisima Armada are a faction which weren´t used that much in past. Every races could work and Bioware could like DAI / DA 2 and save their ressources in one big memorable origin. Also ship battles could make DA 4 more unique. And the new player home is your own ship. https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Waking_Sea

See... I love this idea already. It's a very unassuming faction which you can develop, the people involved can act as mercenaries, both Tevinter and Par Vollen are connected by sea, Isabela could make a return of some form, I myself love my pirate ocean folk from Pillars of Eternity. It's beautiful.

You know what sucks ? We do. The Bioware fans. I fear a pirate framing might be unlikely to sell to fans because it seems too tailored towards a specific genre and I just know some people are going to say "Why is Bioware making me be a pirate ?!! I hate that !! I don't want it ! *keyboard smashing*"

I wouldn't care one bit though. The idea is great and I hope Bioware would go with something that has already worked in other games like Pillars of Eternity, Risen and even the Assassin's Creed series.

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Well, I don't want to have the inquisition back, I just meant, it is possible, that they want continue with that fraction in some way, probably depending on how much space, if any at all, Solas story has in the game. I'd rather would see my character belonging to another faction or none at all.

I don't think the inquisition is coming back in any shape or form... but I do believe the games COULD make a natural progression towards creating and developing your own factions because it expands the gameplay rather well, and while I liked many aspects about the inquisition in the last game, there are obviously a lot of problems we could've done without.

For me though, the faction could be a mercenary band, like the Blackstones. For Wilhelm it's a pirate crew. Maybe you'd argue for another approach fylimar ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 11:14:25 PM
Well, I don't want to have the inquisition back, I just meant, it is possible, that they want continue with that fraction in some way, probably depending on how much space, if any at all, Solas story has in the game.
After Trespasser there is no doubt that the Inquisition is a major faction in DA 4. But only one of many.

My guess for the DA 4 factions are the Hero Faction,  Inquisition, Solas elves, Archon Radonis & Tevinter Traditionalists / Lucerni (moderate reformer) / Fog Warriors (Seheron freedom fighters who hate Tevinter and the Qunari) / Antaam (Qunari military with Sten as new Arishok as leader) /
Ben Hassrath & Tamassrans (the leader is the Ariqun) and maybe the Weißhaupt Grey Warden.

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I do like Blackwall though, he is interesting.
Sorry besides the twist (which wasn´t a twist for me when he said the stuff about the archdemon well i knew it.) he is the same bland character
as Sebastian. Even Varric acknowledged this in his banter with him. I rather have Cullen as full companion than Blackwall.

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I guess, if the writer and the voice actor is gone, it probably doesn't matter, how to interpret the last scene, Flemeth will probably not come back in that case, which is a shame. She is for me one of the best recurring npcs.
Its for the best. They clearly want to focus more the series / DA 4 on Solas than Flemeth.

You know what sucks ? We do. The Bioware fans. I fear a pirate framing might be unlikely to sell to fans because it seems too tailored towards a specific genre and I just know some people are going to say "Why is Bioware making me be a pirate ?!! I hate that !! I don't want it ! *keyboard smashing*"
I disagree after Anthem and Andromeda (which wasn´t that bad) most players wouldn´t dislike this.
No they are happy because DA 4 is hopeful a good / great RPG.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 11:51:43 PM
Highwayman: I already said, that I liked the idea of pirates or a mercenary group, you must have overlooked that post (it's the one, where I attached the picture of my character). I also said that I want to play a Red Jenny one day.
And I don't think, the fans would be mad about playing pirates. They might not be as chilled as the Bloodlines fans, but still, I think, it could work.
I had no problem to not belong to a faction though. The reason, Hawke is my favorite character, is that she basically works alone, well, with her friends. In DAO, your shoved into the Grey Wardens, in DAI into the inquisition. I didn't like that. If I have to be in a group, I prefer something more rogueish.

Wilhelm: I think, we just have to disagree about Blackwall. And with Cullen I have still the beef, that he was a Meredith supporter for a long time before finally seeing her evil. And his mages are not like us speech.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 26, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
And with Cullen I have still the beef, that he was a Meredith supporter for a long time before finally seeing her evil. And his mages are not like us speech.
After DAO / Uldred Events every templar which was tortured like Cullen would become harsh person.
The most exciting part of Cullen is that he saw both extremes the Mages with Uldred and the Templars with Meredith.
After this experience he is one of the most interessing characters in the series and would make one great templar companion.

Yeah he was a Meredith supporter but its not like that Meredith was completly wrong. Meredith was crazy without any doubt but many mages especially
Orsino aren´t saints either.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 26, 2020, 03:50:05 AM
Oh damn I forgot about Meredith she had a horrific death.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 26, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
Ah Meredith. Don't get me started on that nutjob.

I mean, Kirkwall has a lot of really sick people, thanks to thinned veil and Cory slumbering beneath - for more info do the Enigma of Kirkwall quest line, you find the research of some scientists called The Band of Three about how the atrocities of the Tevinter weakened the veil in and around Kirkwall and affect the people. There are more serial killer in Kirkwall than there should be and more violence in general. Not the best place to set up a circle of Mahi, because, the mages are more attuned to the Fade and will be affected more. Sadly, Hawke can't call out the Viscount or Meredith on that. Not that thy would have listened to that.
But Meredith should never have been made knight commander, with the story of her sister. You have two people in charge if the Kirkwall circle, that are hostile towards mages, Meredith and Cullen. Both should not have been in their position. I mean, as a knight commander or knight captain, you have to take responsibility for your charges, but both were too traumatized and biased to do that (even without red lyrium).
I'm not saying, the mages are completely innocent, we have Grace and Quentin - and of course Anders, who blew up the church and killed a lot of innocent people, but Meredith is not fit to deal with that. Look, at what she did, when Anders confessed, she ignored him and called for the circle to be destroyed.
I guess, what I want to say with that is, that Kirkwall is in a bad shape and violence is more prone to errupt here than in other cities due to the thinned veil, but the Hardliner Meredith didn't really help in that situation. Neither did her second in command.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 26, 2020, 10:53:22 AM
Ah Meredith. Don't get me started on that nutjob.

I mean, Kirkwall has a lot of really sick people, thanks to thinned veil and Cory slumbering beneath - for more info do the Enigma of Kirkwall quest line, you find the research of some scientists called The Band of Three about how the atrocities of the Tevinter weakened the veil in and around Kirkwall and affect the people. There are more serial killer in Kirkwall than there should be and more violence in general. Not the best place to set up a circle of Mahi, because, the mages are more attuned to the Fade and will be affected more. Sadly, Hawke can't call out the Viscount or Meredith on that. Not that thy would have listened to that.
But Meredith should never have been made knight commander, with the story of her sister. You have two people in charge if the Kirkwall circle, that are hostile towards mages, Meredith and Cullen. Both should not have been in their position. I mean, as a knight commander or knight captain, you have to take responsibility for your charges, but both were too traumatized and biased to do that (even without red lyrium).
I'm not saying, the mages are completely innocent, we have Grace and Quentin - and of course Anders, who blew up the church and killed a lot of innocent people, but Meredith is not fit to deal with that. Look, at what she did, when Anders confessed, she ignored him and called for the circle to be destroyed.
I guess, what I want to say with that is, that Kirkwall is in a bad shape and violence is more prone to errupt here than in other cities due to the thinned veil, but the Hardliner Meredith didn't really help in that situation. Neither did her second in command.

That explains all the blood mages and thugs in Kirkwall.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 26, 2020, 01:36:38 PM
Yes, that is indeed the reason. And the many serial killer. I really like the Enigma of Kirkwall mystery, it gives much insight into the state of the city.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 26, 2020, 04:52:12 PM
I never liked the Templars VS Mages deal and I'm very glad it's over.

I think Bioware intended for it to be more of a controversy, what with the templars supposedly being protectors against "the dangers of magic" and the mages being eternally attempting to attain more power but... I don't think anybody perceived it that way because our modern sensbilities are very different than those of medieval times. So I never really supported the templars because they just never made any goddamn sense. What would you expect from locking up human beings in towers for the entirety of their lives ?

I would deffinitely like to see something else... Blood Magic

I think this is a controversy that actually works. Is it a weapon ? A tool ? Is it inherently dangerous ? Or does it depend on the wielder ? Are "demons" the only ones who hold knowledge of it ? Would mages practice it more often without the Chantry ? Why does the Chantry suck so much ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 26, 2020, 05:36:27 PM
I think, blood magic is not evil per se. The problem is, that people practicing blood magic often do it to get more power and more fuel for their spells. ANd they often realises, that they need more - either other peoples blood or demons or both. That's when blood magic becomes problematic. Merrill is a good example: she didn't get far with her 'normal' magic in unlocking the Eluvhian, so she resorted to blood magic. The problem is, she asked a demon for help and it is clear throughout the whole game, that she never realises the danger it poses. She is a bit like an addict, saying, she has it under control. Maybe nothing would have happened, had Marethari not taken things into her hands, but we will never know.
Merrill is a relatively harmless example, since she is a good person by default (naive, but aiming for doing the good thing). Not all mages are like that - look at Grace or her lover Demetrius (I think, that was his name). Or Tahrone. They use people as fuel for their spells without a second thought and are basically ruthless. Not to mention Danarius and most of the other Tevinter magisters.
The same problem you will have with weak minded people like Quentin: the sadness over his wifes death drove him into insanity and he started experimenting with blood magic and necromancy. First it was fresh corpses, then he made the corpses himself. One can argue, that any kind of magic is dangerous with such people, the evil and the weak ones, but I do think, blood magic is a bit more dangerous.

So basically, if you slit your own wrist and use your own blood - fire away. But it gets problematic, when you involve other people and demon worshipping.
I guess in that way, Jowan is a responsible user of blood magic: he only uses his own blood and to my knowledge didn't enlist a demon - and he even tried to keep the templars alive, when attacking them. Merrill uses demons help, which is not cool, but at least, she uses only her own blood.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 26, 2020, 06:06:15 PM
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Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 27, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
I gave my opinion about blood magic, what about you?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 27, 2020, 06:27:34 PM
For the most it seems to me like Blood Magic just needs to be regulated.

The problem is that in Chantry times, that is never going to happen because Blood Magic has historical meaning. It was the weapon Tevinter Magisters used to subdue the entire continent. It seems pretty logical than non-mages would see it as something horrible and impossible to understand, even worse when those people become "brothers", "sisters" and "chanters", because then they can make laws that affect not just blood magic... but the entirety of magic.

One great thing about DAI, depending on which ending one takes, is that The Chantry may completely lose it's hold over magic with the creation of the College of Enchanters. I think it will be up to them to decide how should Blood Magic be treated in the future.

We might get an answer to that in at least 10 years though... considering all of that is being left behind so we may take a tour on Tevinter.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 29, 2020, 03:01:06 PM
Yeah, it would be interesting to see, how the College of Enchanters deal with blood magic. My problem with it is, that people tend to loose perspective and go all serial killer or demon worshipper for more power. Even Merrill, whom everyone loves, deals with a demon.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 30, 2020, 07:10:29 AM
Yeah, it would be interesting to see, how the College of Enchanters deal with blood magic. My problem with it is, that people tend to loose perspective and go all serial killer or demon worshipper for more power. Even Merrill, whom everyone loves, deals with a demon.

It's the promise of more power why mages deal with demons.  Or in Avernus case in DAO the power to bend demons to his will.  As we seen with Avernus demons are difficult to control and usually possess the mage that summoned it.  The reason why the demons did not possess him was because he quickly conjured wards, and most likely he had a strong will.

In saying that as long as blood magic is practiced in a controlled area, and the mage resists the temptation to consort with demons.  Then blood magic should be as okay as the other forms of magic.  Merrill was sweet, cute, and naive.  She is lucky she was not possessed by the demon.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 30, 2020, 02:14:24 PM
Merrill is a difficult topic for me. She acts so stupid, I want to slap her most of the time. In most playthroughs nowadays, I don't give her the arunin'holm anymore. I don't think, she is very responsible with her blood magic (demon deal) and she is not taking care of herself at all. And above all that, she disapproves, when you try to stop Tharones evil tomes from falling into the wrong hands or if you say anything against demon deals. I know, that Merrill is basically innocent, but I really can't cope with her ignorance and naievity. And with Anders becoming a terrorist over watched by a spirit, who probably is on his way to become a demon, I'd rather play mages myself and leave my mage companions at home Tbh.
I do like Merrills voice actor, Eve Myles though. She was great in Doctor Who and Torchwood and I love her accent.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 01, 2020, 01:37:52 AM
Merrill is a difficult topic for me. She acts so stupid, I want to slap her most of the time. In most playthroughs nowadays, I don't give her the arunin'holm anymore. I don't think, she is very responsible with her blood magic (demon deal) and she is not taking care of herself at all. And above all that, she disapproves, when you try to stop Tharones evil tomes from falling into the wrong hands or if you say anything against demon deals. I know, that Merrill is basically innocent, but I really can't cope with her ignorance and naievity. And with Anders becoming a terrorist over watched by a spirit, who probably is on his way to become a demon, I'd rather play mages myself and leave my mage companions at home Tbh.
I do like Merrills voice actor, Eve Myles though. She was great in Doctor Who and Torchwood and I love her accent.

See I had forgotten all that about Merrill I've only played DA2 twice and that 2-3 years ago.  So I don't remember much.  I just remember liking her accent and thinking she was cute in an innocent looking way.  As for Anders I liked him until he blew up the Chantry.  What I never understood was how did Justice come to possess him, when in Awakening Justice is possessing a corpse?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 01, 2020, 02:47:04 AM
See I had forgotten all that about Merrill I've only played DA2 twice and that 2-3 years ago.  So I don't remember much.  I just remember liking her accent and thinking she was cute in an innocent looking way.  As for Anders I liked him until he blew up the Chantry.  What I never understood was how did Justice come to possess him, when in Awakening Justice is possessing a corpse?

I thought it was implied that in time Justice's initial corpse ended decaying, at which point he decided to be a "guest" in Anders' willing body...

... all of that sounds so dirty.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 07:18:39 AM
Although the end sliders of Awakening are a mess in that regard: Justice basically killed himself and Anders was a long way away, having left the wardens and escaping yet another group of templars.
But there is a short story, that is considered Canon (I think by David Haider) and Anders mentioned it in the game, that he and Justice were together on a gw mission, when they were attacked by templars and afterwards, Justice suggested the merge. It is a while, since I've read that story, so I might have missed something, but fact is, that according to DAA, Anders was no longer with the wardens and Justice killed himself and according to the story and DA2 they were on a mission for the wardens together.
Fun fact:Originally Velanna was to be Justices host. They changed that to Anders, who fits better in the Kirkwall story.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 01, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
The best thing you can do about Anders & Justice is not to think much about it. Its a huge mess. Even if you ignore the Awakening epilogue the whole thing won´t work because
in Awakening you can for example send Anders and Justice away so Anders won´t become a grey warden.
Also Bioware toyed with idea who should be Justice host. An idea who was already established in the Awakening banter.
 First host candidate was Velanna but she was dropped quickly because she was even for the Bioware authors that unlikeable and she has to much stuff to deal.
She had been basically Anders / Justice & Merrill. So a character who talks about church, possession, grey warden and Dalish stuff. This was too much.

Second host idea was Nathaniel. And this combination was also scrapped but any things survived in Sebastian Vael who was at the end just a boring version of Nathaniel Howe.
I believe the main reason for that was they don´t what to tell with a possessed Nathaniel and unlike Leliana (i know yes i know) they decided not to retcon his execution.

So Anders became the host of Justice. And this shows again that Bioware hadn´t through the whole series any story roadmap. Also that DA 2 has a very short development.
They play with ideas and therefore we had Anders / Justice in DA 2.

By the way i believe Anders could work  much better in DA 2 even with whole chantry blowing stuff if Anders won´t have merged with Justice. Also in my opinion it would be much more interessing.

Edit: Here is the link for Anders shortstory
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Anders_(short_story)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 02:50:34 PM
Thanks, WIlhelm, I had lost the link.

I don't know about Velanna, but I didn't found her less likeable than Morrigan - which - granted - doesn't say much in my case, since I really don't like Morrigan. But with Velanna I had merely a meh feeling, nothing too bothering apart from the fact, that she was murdering innocent people when we met her (ok, I see the point, although Morrigan wants to sell elves into slavery, which isn't that much better).
I really whish, they had kept Nathaniel instead of Sebastian. Sebastian really has no redeeming quality imo and I don't bother recruiting him anymore. I would have been ok, if apart from Anders/Justice another companion (who is not Oghren) from DAA had made it to DA2. You could have encountered Sigrun in the Deep Roads for example, since it was heavily assumed, when she vanished, that she would return to her LotD duty.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 01, 2020, 04:01:38 PM
Well i really despise Velanna. Morrigan on the other hand is through the journey of course difficult because of Flemeths unusual parenting but all my wardens consider her as a friend.
So yeah i like Morrigan.

And to Nathaniel & Sigrun of course i like them but why should they come back as full companion? What is their justification for the overall story in DA 2?
Sorry but they don´t fit in DA 2 besides as a cameo like Nathaniel. Also who could you possible explain Nathaniel´s survivial when he has executed? Many players already hated Lelianas survivial.

But i agree with you that the DA 2 DLC Companion should be someone else. Maybe Hawkes cousin Charade or someone like Samson.
Or Bioware should have stay with the third mage companion. I am talking about the Saarebas Ketojan who was cut for several reasons.

Last but not least Oghren. I know that many people were extremely disappointed that only Oghren from all the companions had returned in Awakening.
I am of course one of them but it makes sense that Oghren was back. He couldn´t die in DAO and was no romance. Also for the overall story in rebuilding the Wardens he fits the best besides Alistair / Loghain but unfortunately both of them could die.
But the main reason for Bioware bringing Oghren back was that in most playthroughs he was last recruited companion.
The average path after Lothering is Redcliffe, Circle Tower, Dalish and then Orzammar. So unlike the rest Oghren didn´t have much screentime also in my opinion he was redundant because  the party already has with Sten a Two Hand Warrior.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 04:20:52 PM
Yeah, I forgot, that you can execute Nathaniel, but still, he would have made a so much more entertaining companion than Sebastian. DA2 could have indeed used another mage companion, seeing as both Merrill and Anders are somewhat fishy choices (one being a bloodmage with demon dealing, the other basically an abomination) and imo not suitable for every playthrough. I would have liked Sol as a companion - maybe after doing his first quest. He would be a sane mage without complications. Of course with Meredith policy, that would not have been very likely. No way Meredith would have let one of the mages from the circle wander of on adventures.
I don't think that Ketojan would have been a good choice. They had to adress the issue, that he is outside his Kataam and therefore has to die according to Qunari law. At the very least, the Qunaris should become hostile, if you try to enter their compound with Ketojan in the group.
I would really have loved to have Charade as a companion too. I really liked her.

My normal order of doing DAO is generally Circle, because I want to have a decent mage and as I said, I really don't like Morrigan, then Orzammar, because I like that quest the least and want it out of the way, then Brecilian Forrest and then Redcliffe. I want to have Wynne and Zevran as soon as possible (I have the Zevran ASAP mod installed, so that you can recruit him right after you leave your camp for the first time), they are the core of my team most of the time.
Funnily enough, that was the order of doing the quests right from the beginning. Once or twice I did Redcliffe before Brecilian Forrest, but that's it. Circle is always first and Orzammar second.
I struggeled a bit with doing Orzammar so soon in my very first playthrough, but tbh, the hardest part was getting past the mercenary group before you can enter Orzammar. The rest was just a lot of grinding through the Deep Roads - until the Broodmother, that was one hell of a fight and so very well built up by Hespith's poem.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 01, 2020, 05:55:22 PM
Yeah, I forgot, that you can execute Nathaniel, but still, he would have made a so much more entertaining companion than Sebastian.
I get it that you like him you besides been a Grey Warden what had been Nathaniel overall story ark in DA 2?
Sorry but Bioware clearly wanted to contuine with Nathaniel but they recognized at the end there isn´t that much more to tell than a cameo as grey warden.
 
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I would have liked Sol as a companion
Who? Do you mean Solivitus? He was just a  potion merch and questgiver. Nothing more and nothing less. I don´t see here any appeal for him as companion.
Also i don´t know if he is really a mage.

Believe it or not but i would mind if we had a Emile de Launce (maybe with a better haircut) in the party.
Or as Anders replacement in the canceled Exalted Marches expansion.

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I don't think that Ketojan would have been a good choice. They had to adress the issue, that he is outside his Kataam and therefore has to die according to Qunari law.
You assume that Ketojan will still be Qunari? I believe if Ketojan really was a companion then he would be Tal Vashoth Saarebas so
they would had changed his dialogue.

But to be honest i would have prefer Maraas as Tal Vashoth companion. He seems more interessing to me.

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At the very least, the Qunaris should become hostile, if you try to enter their compound with Ketojan in the group.
Same as Isabela. He just leave the party in that case. ;)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 07:38:19 PM

I get it that you like him you besides been a Grey Warden what had been Nathaniel overall story ark in DA 2?
Sorry but Bioware clearly wanted to contuine with Nathaniel but they recognized at the end there isn´t that much more to tell than a cameo as grey warden.

I'm not a particular fan of Nathaniel, I just pointed out, that he would have made a better companion than Sebastian. But then, a cockroach would have made a better companion than Sebastian.
Besides: Sebastian leaves the GW at the end of DAA, if he is alive, so he could have joined as an adventurer ;)
 
Who? Do you mean Solivitus? He was just a  potion merch and questgiver. Nothing more and nothing less. I don´t see here any appeal for him as companion.
Also i don´t know if he is really a mage.

Believe it or not but i would mind if we had a Emile de Launce (maybe with a better haircut) in the party.
Or as Anders replacement in the canceled Exalted Marches expansion.

Ok, so you want Emile as a companion, one of the most boring and bland npcs around, but Sol is 'just a questgiver'? I like Sol, for 'just a questgiver' he has a lot personality (besides: Sebastian was 'just a questgiver too in act 1) - and yes, he calls himself Sol and I'm pretty sure, he is a mage, since he is too lively to be a Tranquil and has a robe on. I haven't seen a single person in robes in teh game, that wasn't either a mage or a tranquil.

You assume that Ketojan will still be Qunari? I believe if Ketojan really was a companion then he would be Tal Vashoth Saarebas so
they would had changed his dialogue.

But to be honest i would have prefer Maraas as Tal Vashoth companion. He seems more interessing to me.


No, I of course don't assume, that he will still be Qunari. As was clearly stated in the game, as a Qunari in his situation, he has to die - which he did. Still, the Qunari wouldn't like it, if you run around with a Tal Vashoth Saarebas. That would be as unrealistic as a mage Hawke doing magic openly in the street ... oh, wait ...

Same as Isabela. He just leave the party in that case. ;)

Yeah, but we have that already with Isabela, don't need another character, that has to leave, when going to the Qunari compound - it's a bit ...redundant.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 02, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 02, 2020, 07:35:01 PM
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 02, 2020, 08:25:30 PM
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?

It does not launch - black screen and then back to desktop.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 03, 2020, 01:15:05 AM
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?

It does not launch - black screen and then back to desktop.

DId you try to repair the installation files through Origin?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 06:06:38 AM
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?

It does not launch - black screen and then back to desktop.

DId you try to repair the installation files through Origin?

Yep, did that already.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 03, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.

I spent three hours yesterday with them and it didn't help, so my hope was, that the community, who is passionate about the games, might know something, the help guy from EA doesn't know. If all fails, I have to contact them again, but I don't have much hope.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 03, 2020, 04:18:31 PM
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.

I spent three hours yesterday with them and it didn't help, so my hope was, that the community, who is passionate about the games, might know something, the help guy from EA doesn't know. If all fails, I have to contact them again, but I don't have much hope.

Did you try running the game as administrator.  In your original post you mentioned you disabled Origin in game?  Can you try to re-enable it?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 07:29:07 PM
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.

I spent three hours yesterday with them and it didn't help, so my hope was, that the community, who is passionate about the games, might know something, the help guy from EA doesn't know. If all fails, I have to contact them again, but I don't have much hope.

Did you try running the game as administrator.  In your original post you mentioned you disabled Origin in game?  Can you try to re-enable it?

I tried running it as an administrator to no effect. I also tried it with and without Origin disabled in game, although most advice to disable it. I think, it might have to do with Windows 10, I heard, some people had similar problems, but I'm a bit at a loss. At least I can play DAO and DA2 without Origin, so small steps :)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 03, 2020, 07:36:20 PM
I tried running it as an administrator to no effect. I also tried it with and without Origin disabled in game, although most advice to disable it. I think, it might have to do with Windows 10, I heard, some people had similar problems, but I'm a bit at a loss. At least I can play DAO and DA2 without Origin, so small steps :)

If that's the case then maybe it's an update that conflicts with DAI ? Keep us updated whatever happens.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
I tried running it as an administrator to no effect. I also tried it with and without Origin disabled in game, although most advice to disable it. I think, it might have to do with Windows 10, I heard, some people had similar problems, but I'm a bit at a loss. At least I can play DAO and DA2 without Origin, so small steps :)

If that's the case then maybe it's an update that conflicts with DAI ? Keep us updated whatever happens.

I will do that, though it might be some time. At the moment, I play some delightful non-Bioware (gasp) games, such as Kingdom of Amalur, Pillars of Eternity and Secret World Legends.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 03, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
I will do that, though it might be some time. At the moment, I play some delightful non-Bioware (gasp) games, such as Kingdom of Amalur, Pillars of Eternity and Secret World Legends.

No idea what the Secret World Legends is... sounds MMOishhhh...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 09:49:32 PM
I will do that, though it might be some time. At the moment, I play some delightful non-Bioware (gasp) games, such as Kingdom of Amalur, Pillars of Eternity and Secret World Legends.

No idea what the Secret World Legends is... sounds MMOishhhh...

It is, but you can play it as a single game. It's about secret societies trying to shape the world and uncover mysteries. It is heavily influenced by the work of H. P. Lovecraft, whom I really like as a writer and so I had to play that game. I bought it on sale on Steam and didn't regret it so far. It is a lot of fun. It is a role playing game, but features horror and mystery rather than fantasy. Although your character can use magic. My girl, Lyra Watson, is a magus, she uses elemental and chaos magic - really tons of fun in a fight.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 07, 2020, 07:13:50 PM
Hey, what do you guys like to see in DA4? What kind of storyline, characters, classes or romances?

I think, it is set, that the game will play in Tevinter, so I would like to see, how people live there - not just the magisters, but the normal people. Is it really that bad? Are there maybe things, that might even be better there than in the rest of Thedas? I would like to play a normal person, not an inquisitor or a Grey Warden - more someone like Hawke, someone who has his or her personal problems and family, friends etc. I think, they did that well in DA2.
As for classes - please please bring back spirit healer - I love that spec. In MMOs iI mostly play healer and I liek that in single rpgs too, so yeah, spirit healer would be cool. And shapeshifter, that too.

Romances - I trust tehre will be some character among them, I like. I would love for some easygoing, laid back character like Zevran, Isa or Iron Bull. I don't like the drama queens (and kings) as romances. I don't care, which gender or how they look, just some nice, fun and interesting character.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 07, 2020, 10:37:34 PM
I want Par Vollen damnit. If we get to see Tevinter then it seems logical we'd see the other side of the equation just as well.

Just no more Ferelden please. I've had enough with that place to last me the rest of the franchise.

I think, it is set, that the game will play in Tevinter, so I would like to see, how people live there - not just the magisters, but the normal people. Is it really that bad? Are there maybe things, that might even be better there than in the rest of Thedas? I would like to play a normal person, not an inquisitor or a Grey Warden - more someone like Hawke, someone who has his or her personal problems and family, friends etc. I think, they did that well in DA2. As for classes - please please bring back spirit healer - I love that spec. In MMOs iI mostly play healer and I liek that in single rpgs too, so yeah, spirit healer would be cool. And shapeshifter, that too.

Slavery will deffinitely be at the core of the story, specially given Dorian's rather controversial opinions about the entire ordeal so... I think we'll be likely making a few decisions regarding the institution of slavery; perhaps how it's related to the use of blood magic and even to the Tevinter Chantry as well.

Romances - I trust tehre will be some character among them, I like. I would love for some easygoing, laid back character like Zevran, Isa or Iron Bull. I don't like the drama queens (and kings) as romances. I don't care, which gender or how they look, just some nice, fun and interesting character.

I like challenging romances for my part. Characters that are difficult and conflictive and even unappealing in certain respects. I think Isabela was top top top in this regard, as was Morrigan; they were both examples of what works very very very well in my opinion when it comes to romances.

By the maker I don't want people to drown me in flattery at every point in the story. No more Josephines please. I honestly think the ONLY character that Bioware EVER got away with the constante flattery was Liara from Mass Effect... please though, no more. I'm not a child whose self-esteem needs to be constantly massaged.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 08, 2020, 12:37:53 AM
I always wanted to go to Tevinter, since they first mentioned the mages who dared to enter the Golden City.  Plus I like playing mages and did not appreciate my Amell growing up in a tower.  Hawke mage had more freedom, but if you play a warrior the Templars take away sweet Bethany.  Hopefully they will bring back origin stories.  Like an elven slave on the run, or a rising Mage in Tevinter politics.  I liked how my Cousland became King Consort in DAO.  Although he should have been King, since he has as much claim to the crown as Anora.  But that's in the past.

As for romances my favorite romances are Morrigan, Isabela, and Cassandra.  I love women with a tough exterior but are sensitive on the inside.  Like Aeryn Sun from Farscape who I mentioned before, and was played by Morrigan's VA the beautiful, the sultry Claudia Black.  I also liked Leliana's romance in DAO.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 08, 2020, 02:49:28 AM
I always wanted to go to Tevinter, since they first mentioned the mages who dared to enter the Golden City.  Plus I like playing mages and did not appreciate my Amell growing up in a tower.  Hawke mage had more freedom, but if you play a warrior the Templars take away sweet Bethany.  Hopefully they will bring back origin stories.  Like an elven slave on the run, or a rising Mage in Tevinter politics.  I liked how my Cousland became King Consort in DAO.  Although he should have been King, since he has as much claim to the crown as Anora.  But that's in the past.

Too much magic son. You need bows, arrows and daggers in your life !

In fact, I'd like for DA4 to offer us "archer rogue lovers" a few melee options. I always loved Hawke's little melee animations when he was turning qunari into utter dust. I specially loved that it was the murder knife he was using. Even in DAO an archer and dagger hybrid build is perfectly viable but the only melee option you have as an archer rogue in DAI is the shadow strike... and only one of those at that.

How about a single sidearm ? A special sword or dagger that activates an attack when enemies close the distance and stand face to face ? Might be a good opportunity to restructure one of the specializations as well.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 09:23:49 AM
Oh yes, Morrigan. Yeah, I don't like her at all. The classical bitchywitch. When I first played DAO, I really hoped, Fkemeth would overtake her, but alas, it shouldn't be.
I don't get all the Morrigan hype, she is constantly complaining and a real downer. But I did recognize that people either love or hate her, there is nothing between.

Isabela on the other hand is such a delightful and fun character, apart from Varric, she is my favorite in DA2.

I guess, it is a good thing, that the companions are so different in the DA games, so that everyone finds someone, they like.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 08, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
Oh yes, Morrigan. Yeah, I don't like her at all. The classical bitchywitch. When I first played DAO, I really hoped, Fkemeth would overtake her, but alas, it shouldn't be. I don't get all the Morrigan hype, she is constantly complaining and a real downer. But I did recognize that people either love or hate her, there is nothing between.

I don't know about most Bioware fans. I think we can have a loooooooooooong discussion about how toxic some of their opinions can be.

About Morrigan though, try to see it from her perspective: She is a mage that is happy and content with the life she's made on her own, being free and independent. How would a person like that think of an institution that enslaves other mages ? How would she feel about those that willingly favor that institution and the people outside of it, who think of mages as monsters or freaks ? She obviously has a rather ruthless view of the world but it's pretty understandable she'd think poorly of most peasants and mages, given what the former think of magic and how many of the latter support the chantry.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 08, 2020, 02:35:57 PM
I want Par Vollen damnit. If we get to see Tevinter then it seems logical we'd see the other side of the equation just as well.

Just no more Ferelden please. I've had enough with that place to last me the rest of the franchise.
Don´t worry the Trespasser DLC, the comics and the novels makes it very clear that Dragon Age 4 is set in Tevinter.

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uG53TYjq5rKax7ME6jkiFN-1200-80.jpg)

The only question is there just Tevinter or more? I believe that we will also visit Seheron and maybe maybe the legendary Grey Warden fortress Weißhaupt.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 02:36:54 PM
Sorry, but Morrigan doesn't come across as happy to me. She is constantly complaining (more like bitching around). And she has no trouble selling innocents into slavery for personal gain, so I really don't want to see anything from Morrigan perspective. But I get, what you mean, she is different. I just wish, she would not always be so annoyed.

I don't think, the community is toxic, it's like everywhere, you have a lot of people who share their love for the games and discuss, like we do, and then some few, that are basically harassing other people. I spent a lot of forum time in a Bioware board (the one Talyn and I know each other from) and I would say 90 percent of the people there are great.
It becomes a bit problematic, when a new game is announced, like DA4 now. Then you have a lot of people discussing and mostly bashing Bioware and DA. But apart from that, it's OK. I think the point is, to respect other opinions, while I don't like Morrigan, I get, why you and Talyn like her and it's totally ok. I would never dream to convince you otherwise. Live and let live, I think, thats important.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
I want Par Vollen damnit. If we get to see Tevinter then it seems logical we'd see the other side of the equation just as well.

Just no more Ferelden please. I've had enough with that place to last me the rest of the franchise.
Don´t worry the Trespasser DLC, the comics and the novels makes it very clear that Dragon Age 4 is set in Tevinter.

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uG53TYjq5rKax7ME6jkiFN-1200-80.jpg)

The only question is there just Tevinter or more? I believe that we will also visit Seheron and maybe maybe the legendary Grey Warden fortress Weißhaupt.

I agree, we will probably see a lot more than Tevinter. I'm really excited for it. Hopefully I have solved my Orign problems til then
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 08, 2020, 03:05:04 PM
I agree, we will probably see a lot more than Tevinter. I'm really excited for it.
Well its very unlikely but Bioware could still reboot this. But i don´t believe that Bioware do this.
Atleast not for Dragon Age 4 but Mass Effect will get a reboot so no Andromeda 2.

I am looking forward what they do with the Tevinter setting. I hope that DA 4 is because of Tevinter more in line with DAO and DA 2 with its content.
So yeah the evil blood mage should be back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 08, 2020, 03:20:10 PM
Sorry, but Morrigan doesn't come across as happy to me. She is constantly complaining (more like bitching around). And she has no trouble selling innocents into slavery for personal gain, so I really don't want to see anything from Morrigan perspective. But I get, what you mean, she is different. I just wish, she would not always be so annoyed.

Think about what she is complaining about and you might get a more rounded approach to what her views are. As for slavery, I think her argument in that decision is directed towards the idea that you should always get all the power you can get, no matter what the cost. I obviously never make that decision, I think she's wrong there but she's not just a sadist; she obviously learns to care for others and believes everyone deserves... at the very least, a chance to fight and earn their power.

And if we're talking about slavery well... we all love Dorian... and he ACTUALLY supports slavery.

I don't think, the community is toxic, it's like everywhere, you have a lot of people who share their love for the games and discuss, like we do, and then some few, that are basically harassing other people. I spent a lot of forum time in a Bioware board (the one Talyn and I know each other from) and I would say 90 percent of the people there are great.

Fuck it, I got time. Let's do this:

Maybe things have changed but some years ago no Bioware fan just liked or disliked a game. They either felt: a) it was a glorious masterpiece of artistic beauty that should be preserved for eternity (Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 1) or b) it was a direct betrayal from the developers and an aggressive insult to the community (Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2).

It's been quite some time since those days and I believe you when you say things are stable now. But back then A LOT of the core talent in Bioware (Casey Hudson, Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka) left for good. The goddamn founders of Bioware left and don't show any signs of coming back anytime soon. Obviously EA influenced that decision but I don't think the toxic response from the community at the time helped any bit. We are extremely fortunate that Casey Hudson did want to go back; without him I'd be seriously concerned about the future of Bioware.

It becomes a bit problematic, when a new game is announced, like DA4 now. Then you have a lot of people discussing and mostly bashing Bioware and DA. But apart from that, it's OK. I think the point is, to respect other opinions, while I don't like Morrigan, I get, why you and Talyn like her and it's totally ok. I would never dream to convince you otherwise. Live and let live, I think, thats important.

Another issue that annoys me a bit, in particular to this franchise, is what many fans want out of it. I left an FB group almost a year ago that was supposedly a Dragon Age Inquisition group but was mostly filled with Adoribull posts. Another group I landed on discussed, on a daily basis, their favorite romances. Everyone of course, posted pictures of their inquisitors and the Trespasser wedding.

Do you see a pattern here ?

I like romances as much as anyone. But let's think about this hypothetical bit for a while:

What if the story of DA4... at some point... had your significant other die a gruesome death ? How would you feel about it ?

Me ? I wouldn't care one bit if it served the story. As for the other fans ? I have no idea.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 08, 2020, 09:03:49 PM
About Morrigan.  I am a fan of hers, but that does not mean I do everything she says.  When she approves of the annulment on the mages.  I tell her to shut up.  When she wants to sell elves as slaves, I also tell her shut the hell up.  So I do not follow her blindly I am not her doggy.

@Fylimar:  About the toxicity of the BioWare forums when a new game is announced.  I agree which is why I hang out on the DAO and DA2 forums when I visit that site. 

But  I must give Inquisition another try before ever buying DA4.  I did enjoy DAI.  But since I am a completionist I kept on getting sidetracked by side quests.  The last time I played my big bad Qunari was chasing a Halla to bring back to the elves.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 11:18:55 PM
Highwayman: I had just finished writing an answer for you, when the forum broke down. The basics were that toxic behavior is never ok and sadly, I have encountered that in every Fandom. The wirst I have seen so far was in tge Supernatural Fandom, where people had fought out their differences even in real life at conventions. And it was the stupidest thing:they were fighting over pairs to ship.
And yes, I did met toxic people in the DA fandom too and they are really mean, but luckily they are a minority nowadays, only in the DA4 board there are the casual hater, who plop in to let us know how hard DA sucks and that the Witcher, Skyrim... are much better games. They are annoying as hell, but mostly short lived.
Sadly the internet can bring out the worst in people.

About romances and how annoying people can be in living out their romances in game (and let everyone know) :I agree a hundred percent with you. I see a romance as an enrichment of a nice story, nothing more. I agree, that I would find it ok , if a romance would die, if it makes sense story wise. I think they did it at least once in a game and in another there was an inevitable breakup, which did make sense too.
I must say, some of my favorite characters are not romance able, most notably Varric, but also Aveline, Wynne, Vivienne.

Yeah, Dorian and his view of slavery is problematic and I do normally grill him about it. But in Dorian case, I do think, he will try to better the lives of all people in Tevinter, he is, deep down, an idealist - must be Felix's influence.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 11:24:53 PM
About Morrigan.  I am a fan of hers, but that does not mean I do everything she says.  When she approves of the annulment on the mages.  I tell her to shut up.  When she wants to sell elves as slaves, I also tell her shut the hell up.  So I do not follow her blindly I am not her doggy.

@Fylimar:  About the toxicity of the BioWare forums when a new game is announced.  I agree which is why I hang out on the DAO and DA2 forums when I visit that site. 

But  I must give Inquisition another try before ever buying DA4.  I did enjoy DAI.  But since I am a completionist I kept on getting sidetracked by side quests.  The last time I played my big bad Qunari was chasing a Halla to bring back to the elves.

Ah, the infamous Halla quest. Although at least Hallas are very beautiful animals, think about chasing giant spiders home... thank the creators for small mercy.
But seriously, I agree, that some of the fetch quests were just too much. I did all that I could find in the first playthrough, but nowadays I stick to the interesting stuff. I have a similar problem at the moment with Kingdoms of Amalur - too many quests. And since it is my first playthrough, I don't want to miss out.

I think, you can safely go to the DAI section if the board nowadays, there isn't much toxic behavior, that is restricted to DA4.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 09, 2020, 01:19:08 AM
Highwayman: I had just finished writing an answer for you, when the forum broke down. The basics were that toxic behavior is never ok and sadly, I have encountered that in every Fandom. The wirst I have seen so far was in tge Supernatural Fandom, where people had fought out their differences even in real life at conventions. And it was the stupidest thing:they were fighting over pairs to ship. And yes, I did met toxic people in the DA fandom too and they are really mean, but luckily they are a minority nowadays, only in the DA4 board there are the casual hater, who plop in to let us know how hard DA sucks and that the Witcher, Skyrim... are much better games. They are annoying as hell, but mostly short lived. Sadly the internet can bring out the worst in people.

Hopefully things have improved for the better. I will take your word and Talyn's to that effect... and let us be done with it !

About romances and how annoying people can be in living out their romances in game (and let everyone know) :I agree a hundred percent with you. I see a romance as an enrichment of a nice story, nothing more. I agree, that I would find it ok , if a romance would die, if it makes sense story wise. I think they did it at least once in a game and in another there was an inevitable breakup, which did make sense too. I must say, some of my favorite characters are not romance able, most notably Varric, but also Aveline, Wynne, Vivienne.

This is all good to hear at least. Hopefully fans will be more understanding towards the function of a romance in a story and most specially in a videogame.

I will say that I think they missed a bit of their shot in DA2 by not letting the romances evolve in some way, specially considering the span of the story is around ten years. That would've been the proper setting and timetable to deal with the idea of marriage, for example; instead of just serving it as some sort of biscuit to dangle in front people who bought trespasser xD ...

As for your picks, I do wonder... can Aveline die in DA2 ? I think she's non-essential in the final act but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 09, 2020, 07:46:05 AM
I couldn't reach the forum again now, strange.
I don't know, if Aveline can die, I had never had the option in my game, but I'm normally at high approval with her.

I never cared for the Trespasser marriages much, I didn't even know, you could marry in that game until Blackwall proposed to my Lavellan. I was a bit freaked out and declined.
I must say, I'm not fond of romances for romances sake - I hate romantic novels and movies too - they have to serve a purpose to the story.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 09, 2020, 04:36:13 PM
I couldn't reach the forum again now, strange.
I don't know, if Aveline can die, I had never had the option in my game, but I'm normally at high approval with her.

I never cared for the Trespasser marriages much, I didn't even know, you could marry in that game until Blackwall proposed to my Lavellan. I was a bit freaked out and declined.
I must say, I'm not fond of romances for romances sake - I hate romantic novels and movies too - they have to serve a purpose to the story.

I didn't know Aveline could die either.  But like you I did have high influence with her.  As for romance that's why Chris Avellone the famous video game writer does not like putting romance in his games.  Becuase if there's going to be romance then it has to be done right in his opinion.  I really liked the sort of romance in KOTOR 2 which is a game he was writer and lead designer for,  I did like how he did the Visas and male Exile sort of romance.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 09, 2020, 04:49:01 PM
I didn't know Aveline could die either.  But like you I did have high influence with her.  As for romance that's why Chris Avellone the famous video game writer does not like putting romance in his games.  Becuase if there's going to be romance then it has to be done right in his opinion.  I really liked the sort of romance in KOTOR 2 which is a game he was writer and lead designer for,  I did like how he did the Visas and male Exile sort of romance.

So it's his goddamn fault that neither Pillars of Eternity nor Tyranny have romance ? Curse you Avellone !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 09, 2020, 05:03:47 PM
I didn't know Aveline could die either.  But like you I did have high influence with her.  As for romance that's why Chris Avellone the famous video game writer does not like putting romance in his games.  Becuase if there's going to be romance then it has to be done right in his opinion.  I really liked the sort of romance in KOTOR 2 which is a game he was writer and lead designer for,  I did like how he did the Visas and male Exile sort of romance.

So it's his goddamn fault that neither Pillars of Eternity nor Tyranny have romance ? Curse you Avellone !

I enjoy his games.  He wrote two of my favorite characters of all time.  The Nameless One in Planescape: Torment, and Kreia from KOTOR 2.  Having said that I do wish he would reconsider writing romance into his game.  But for now nope.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 09, 2020, 07:14:57 PM
As for your picks, I do wonder... can Aveline die in DA2 ? I think she's non-essential in the final act but I'm not sure.
No Aveline can´t die at any point in Dragon Age 2. The most extreme scene is well see it for yourself.


 Varric and Sebastian also can´t die but the rest can. Merrill is really difficult. You have side with Templars, have spared Anders and have him & Merrill full on rivalry. And if Hawke is really evil he/she can betray his own sister.


Compare this to DAI vanilia there only Blackwall gets an offscreen death. Atleast the Trespasser DLC had one optional The Iron Bull death scene.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 09, 2020, 09:08:05 PM
I enjoy his games.  He wrote two of my favorite characters of all time.  The Nameless One in Planescape: Torment, and Kreia from KOTOR 2.  Having said that I do wish he would reconsider writing romance into his game.  But for now nope.

Oh I do know him, he's quite the legend. Not sure how much input he had in Pillars of Eternity 2 then since apparently there's romance in that game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 09, 2020, 10:15:41 PM
I'm still playing Pillars of Eternity (the first game) and I do like it a lot.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 10, 2020, 04:19:56 AM
I enjoy his games.  He wrote two of my favorite characters of all time.  The Nameless One in Planescape: Torment, and Kreia from KOTOR 2.  Having said that I do wish he would reconsider writing romance into his game.  But for now nope.

Oh I do know him, he's quite the legend. Not sure how much input he had in Pillars of Eternity 2 then since apparently there's romance in that game.

I know he wrote at least one character for that game.  I forgot her name though.  But you can look it up on Goggle.  As for Tyranny which you mentioned before he had nothing to do with that game.  Because by that time he left Obsidian and went into freelance writing.

Edit:  Oops!  Just noticed you said POE 2.  But most likely he didn't work on the game.  Since when he left Obsidian, they tried to have him blacklisted.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 10, 2020, 04:24:00 AM
I'm still playing Pillars of Eternity (the first game) and I do like it a lot.

I was a backer for this game.  I purchased both STEAM and GOG versions, and was having fun until Obsidian introduced a patch that respawned an incredibly difficult boss, who I had just defeated prior.  So I had no health potions and no magic reserves.

Still I did enjoy it and want to give it another try.  Tyranny was fun and I recommend if you enjoy being the villain.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 10, 2020, 12:22:18 PM
I'll make the two of you happy. Yesterday I spent almost all my afternoon playing Planescape: Torment, for the very first time. I'll finally be taking that one off my bucket list.

And to boot, I liked it a lot. Hated the Smoldering Corpse Bar though. I think it was the only place where Chris Avellone really went a little overboard with the sheer quantity of writing contained in that place. In most situations it's quick and functional how you can go through conversations and achieve your goals. Not when talking to fucking Candrian though... what a goddamn chore that guy is. Still, I'm on the Hive so far and I'm about to look for Creeden for a way to cross the portal in Ragpicker's Square.

And this is an issue that came up a bit with me when playing Tyranny. I really liked it (wasn't able to finish it because my PC fried, careful with the spoilers) but felt it was a little limited in terms of how much you can do. I also felt punished for some of the dialogue options I took as well, which so far is not a thing that ever happened to me on Arcanum, nor here on PS:T. It's funny in fact how PS:T works... the more you just talk with... everyone, the better you are rewarded by the game.

EDIT: By the way... I wanted to ask... should I get the journal first ? Should I find Pharod first ? Does it matter ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 10, 2020, 08:20:43 PM
I'll admit, I have never played Planescape: Torment. Hopefully Talyn can answer your question.

Over in the Bioware forum there is a discussion about Anora, I find interesting: Wether she should rule alone, rule with Alistair (or male Cousland warden) or should be thrown into prison.
In my playthroughs, she mostly rule with Alistair - she has the brains, Ali the heart, together they are a surprisingly efficient team imo.

What do you think? Anora - yay or nay?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 10, 2020, 08:34:36 PM
What do you think? Anora - yay or nay?

Anora is cool. She is smart, she is experienced and understands governance much better than her father.

HOWEVER... there are some gaps that concern me, in regards to her integrity: Does she want the best for Ferelden ? Is she just trying to keep her position ? We never find out. Is she really a moral person ? Does she care about others or is she concerned about herself only ? We never find out.

None of this worries me with Alistair. His integrity is 100% solid and there's plenty of space to demonstrate it; with the right push he can also rule Ferelden just as well as Anora. No reason to keep her out however, so I do convince them both to get married.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 11, 2020, 01:36:35 AM
@Highwayman667:  I've forgotten what I did first.  But I think Pharod has the Journal.  He's in ragpicker's square.  Far to the west from the mortuary.  You need to have some junk in your inventory to gain access to where Pharod is hiding.

I recently bought and installed the Enhanced Edition and been meaning to replay the game.  It's been years since I last played.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 11, 2020, 01:39:14 AM
I'll admit, I have never played Planescape: Torment. Hopefully Talyn can answer your question.

Over in the Bioware forum there is a discussion about Anora, I find interesting: Wether she should rule alone, rule with Alistair (or male Cousland warden) or should be thrown into prison.
In my playthroughs, she mostly rule with Alistair - she has the brains, Ali the heart, together they are a surprisingly efficient team imo.

What do you think? Anora - yay or nay?

I liked Anora she was just ambitious like her father and a perfect match for my equally ambitious Cousland.  So I say yay.  I also liked Logain.  I spared him only to have him commit the ultimate sacrifice.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 11, 2020, 03:26:35 PM
@Highwayman667:  I've forgotten what I did first.  But I think Pharod has the Journal.  He's in ragpicker's square.  Far to the west from the mortuary.  You need to have some junk in your inventory to gain access to where Pharod is hiding.

I recently bought and installed the Enhanced Edition and been meaning to replay the game.  It's been years since I last played.

Thanks Talyn. I want to play The Nameless One as a thief but I'm not sure I can do any playthrough without Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma. Those three are just way too useful when it comes to conversation and the game truly shines in the writing department.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 11, 2020, 05:48:53 PM
@Highwayman667:  I've forgotten what I did first.  But I think Pharod has the Journal.  He's in ragpicker's square.  Far to the west from the mortuary.  You need to have some junk in your inventory to gain access to where Pharod is hiding.

I recently bought and installed the Enhanced Edition and been meaning to replay the game.  It's been years since I last played.

Thanks Talyn. I want to play The Nameless One as a thief but I'm not sure I can do any playthrough without Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma. Those three are just way too useful when it comes to conversation and the game truly shines in the writing department.

Those are three most important attributes.  Follow this guide to help you setup your Nameless One's attributes.  Do not read the whole thing because it contains spoilers.  Just read on where to allocate your points.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/187975-planescape-torment/faqs/7964

If memory serves right I think it was:

STR: 9
DEX:10
INT: 15
WIS: 18
CHA: 13

Wisdom is the key attribute.  It gets you more experience and more memories.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 11, 2020, 07:47:29 PM
Those are three most important attributes.  Follow this guide to help you setup your Nameless One's attributes.  Do not read the whole thing because it contains spoilers.  Just read on where to allocate your points.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/187975-planescape-torment/faqs/7964

If memory serves right I think it was:

STR: 9
DEX:10
INT: 15
WIS: 18
CHA: 13

Wisdom is the key attribute.  It gets you more experience and more memories.

You are a kindred among kindreds Talyn. A Leo for you:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/YRuFixSNWFVcXaxpmX/giphy.gif)

Now let us hope Chris Avellone doesn't try to drown me in lore again... damn you Candrian !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 09:47:34 AM
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 01:09:51 PM
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)

Even though I strongly dislike what they did to Revan and my favorite the Exile.  SWTOR is not a bad game.  Last time I played was years ago and I was a human male Jedi Knight.  The story was great but I never finished it.  I also played as a Sith Pureblood male Sith Inquisitor, and that story was also good.  But I never finished as well.

Since at the time I was mainly a console player.  My first BioWare game was the original KOTOR.  But once I got hooked I played their older games like NWN and Baldur's Gate II.  Then of course Dragon Age Origins came out I fell in love with them all over again.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 06:08:16 PM
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)

Even though I strongly dislike what they did to Revan and my favorite the Exile.  SWTOR is not a bad game.  Last time I played was years ago and I was a human male Jedi Knight.  The story was great but I never finished it.  I also played as a Sith Pureblood male Sith Inquisitor, and that story was also good.  But I never finished as well.

Since at the time I was mainly a console player.  My first BioWare game was the original KOTOR.  But once I got hooked I played their older games like NWN and Baldur's Gate II.  Then of course Dragon Age Origins came out I fell in love with them all over again.

I agree, what they did to Revan and teh Exile (but mostly Revan) is mostly unforgivable. I mean, why let us create our characters, if they throw our decisions out the window. Nonteless I really love SWTOR. My main character is a Mirilian smuggler named Janei Lovecraft (if you ever see the Lovecraft legacy online - that's me) and an Twilek Agent by the name of Castiel. I played SWTOR a lot back in the days, we even had a really great guild. But as life goes, people wandered off to other games. BUt I still have contact to some of my former guild members. I play mostly healer in the game and loved going to operations and pvp instances. As a healer, you never had to wait long.
My favorite class is the smuggler, I love the story, the Firefly feeling of it, and the voice actor for the female smuggler.

I never really got into NWN, but I played NWN 2 quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 06:37:43 PM
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)

Even though I strongly dislike what they did to Revan and my favorite the Exile.  SWTOR is not a bad game.  Last time I played was years ago and I was a human male Jedi Knight.  The story was great but I never finished it.  I also played as a Sith Pureblood male Sith Inquisitor, and that story was also good.  But I never finished as well.

Since at the time I was mainly a console player.  My first BioWare game was the original KOTOR.  But once I got hooked I played their older games like NWN and Baldur's Gate II.  Then of course Dragon Age Origins came out I fell in love with them all over again.

I agree, what they did to Revan and teh Exile (but mostly Revan) is mostly unforgivable. I mean, why let us create our characters, if they throw our decisions out the window. Nonteless I really love SWTOR. My main character is a Mirilian smuggler named Janei Lovecraft (if you ever see the Lovecraft legacy online - that's me) and an Twilek Agent by the name of Castiel. I played SWTOR a lot back in the days, we even had a really great guild. But as life goes, people wandered off to other games. BUt I still have contact to some of my former guild members. I play mostly healer in the game and loved going to operations and pvp instances. As a healer, you never had to wait long.
My favorite class is the smuggler, I love the story, the Firefly feeling of it, and the voice actor for the female smuggler.

I never really got into NWN, but I played NWN 2 quite a bit.

I only played two classes.  Jedi Knight and Sith Inquisitor.  Both questlines were good from what I remembered, but I never completed them due to real life getting in the way.  Plus I found the non story missions to be repetitive.  You know the missions where you usually have to clear out bases or kill a group of people?   About Revan and the Exile.  I dislike what they did to Revan but I really dislike what they did to the Exile.  They made her weak and I did not like her fate.  They should of just let both of them out of the game.  Another pet peeve I got with the game is that it pretty much retconned all of KOTOR 2, my favorite game out of that series.  But I still did enjoy the mmo.

But at least you got to name your characters what you wanted.  I had to use a random name generator for my characters cause all the good names were taken.  Thus I've forgotten what they were called.  I was leader of a guild once but I don't know if they still exist.

NWN2 is the only Obsidian game besides Pillars of Eternity I have not completed.  Because I can't stand the camera.  In the original game the camera was fine.  But in the sequel they decided to change that.  The original campaign in NWN was boring but I did like the two expansions, plus the ton of community made modules.  Like 'The Bastard of Kosigan' series.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 12, 2020, 06:47:11 PM
I think they were in a tough spot though...

... but let's think about Dragon Age for a second. What do you do when half of the players want a new character and the others want the Hero of Ferelden to return in some capacity ?

Your only choice is to bring back the Hero of Ferelden. But you can't possibly bring him/her in all the different ways people imagined him/her to be. At the very least you gotta give the character a voice and we know no matter what an incredible voice actor/actress Bioware brought in a shitload of people would just hate it.

Maybe SWTOR is a lesson to let some characters just stay dead and never return.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 07:19:38 PM
I think they were in a tough spot though...

... but let's think about Dragon Age for a second. What do you do when half of the players want a new character and the others want the Hero of Ferelden to return in some capacity ?

Your only choice is to bring back the Hero of Ferelden. But you can't possibly bring him/her in all the different ways people imagined him/her to be. At the very least you gotta give the character a voice and we know no matter what an incredible voice actor/actress Bioware brought in a shitload of people would just hate it.

Maybe SWTOR is a lesson to let some characters just stay dead and never return.

Exactly that's my point.  In the SWTOR story Revan and the Exile should just stay dead and never return.  Now let's say Disney revoked EA's license, and asked Obsidian to make a KOTOR 3.  Then they can bring back Revan and the Exile, and let us choose what they look like.  Like you said the problem with canonizing beloved characters with certain looks and voice, is they never look or sound like what we imagined in our minds.

As for the Hero of Ferelden.  I hope they never return.  Because although they make great characters.  BioWare has a history of botching them when canonizing them like they did with Revan and Hawke.  I was happy when my DAO wifey Morrigan said in DAI that the HoF was looking for a cure.  I'm happy with that.  Now please don't give them a set race and gender.  Just let them be what we imagine them to be.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 12, 2020, 07:54:23 PM
I was happy when my DAO wifey Morrigan said in DAI that the HoF was looking for a cure.  I'm happy with that.  Now please don't give them a set race and gender.  Just let them be what we imagine them to be.

I actually hated that a little bit. Grey Wardens are supposed to die young and brutally, and this seemed like a move to placate the anger of many "fans" if one day Morrigan revealed she had to say goodbye to the Hero of Ferelden because he had felt the calling. Not everything should have a happy ending.

STILL... regarding our main point, I agree with you that perhaps it's the most prudent decision to not bring back the Hero of Ferelden again.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
I was happy when my DAO wifey Morrigan said in DAI that the HoF was looking for a cure.  I'm happy with that.  Now please don't give them a set race and gender.  Just let them be what we imagine them to be.

I actually hated that a little bit. Grey Wardens are supposed to die young and brutally, and this seemed like a move to placate the anger of many "fans" if one day Morrigan revealed she had to say goodbye to the Hero of Ferelden because he had felt the calling. Not everything should have a happy ending.

STILL... regarding our main point, I agree with you that perhaps it's the most prudent decision to not bring back the Hero of Ferelden again.

About what the Grey Warden was doing according to Morrigan.  What I meant to say it could've been worse.  So I was content with what she said.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 10:01:26 PM
I don't want the HoF to come back. My heros are off and away with Zevran according to the end sliders and that's ok with me. I didn't mind them searching for a cure behind the scenes in DAI, but I really don't want them (i have many HoF - and since I can't decide, they are all canon) to return.

Same with Hawke - I didn't find Hawkes return in DAI that bad tbh, but I would not have needed it. I know, that some, who played bloodmage Hawke were pissed, that Hawke openly condems bloodmaigic in DAI during a dialogue. And of course there can't be one canon Hawke or one canon HoF - just leave them be.

There seems to be a group of fans, who want the inquisitor to return in DA4 as a protagonist, but again, I don't want that. I liked all my inquis, but I don't think they should return. I like the end tehy presented us in Trespasser and with that, they should let the inqui do, what they want (I like, that there are a few possibilities). Even with that still open storyline from DAI, I don't think, it needs the inqui to resolve that.

Basically: I want a new protagonist and I want that they leave player characters alone. It's best that way.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 10:25:44 PM
Ah - the heck. I started SWTOR again and made a new character - a Jedi sage - might become a healer or a shadow tank.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 12, 2020, 10:57:33 PM
That's just Asohka xD ...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 13, 2020, 01:49:48 AM
@Fylimar:  She looks great!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 11:44:05 AM
That's just Asohka xD ...

Nah, only the markings, but my character is a grown up Togruta and the face is different as are the Lekku markings.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 11:45:29 AM
@Fylimar:  She looks great!

Thank you.

I'm still unsure, if I will continue playing. MMOs are much more time intensive than solo rpgs and I have a lot of real life stuff to deal with.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 13, 2020, 12:47:22 PM
Nah, only the markings, but my character is a grown up Togruta and the face is different as are the Lekku markings.

The magic is in the details.

What about this piece of news ? I actually find this rather encouraging:

https://www.polygon.com/2020/2/10/21131611/bioware-anthem-redesign-remake-updates
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 05:26:19 PM
I never had the slightest interest in Anthem. So I doubt, that I will try the redesigned version.
Did any of you play Anthem?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 13, 2020, 05:31:23 PM
I never had the slightest interest in Anthem. So I doubt, that I will try the redesigned version.
Did any of you play Anthem?

No, I never played it.  Like you it never interested me.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 13, 2020, 06:53:17 PM
No, I never played it.  Like you it never interested me.

We are all in agreement. I could not give a single fuck about Anthem in its' current state.

... HOWEVERRRRRR... I support Bioware's efforts to make the game work.

I've never agreed with the premise that "Bioware should stick to what it does right". This is "fan" mentality, and not the right one.

What some of these people are basically saying to Bioware developers is that they should never experiment, never take risks and never expand the boundaries of their creativity. And dare I ask: How exactly are we going to have innovative and entertaining videogames if we rigidly tell people they should never try other paths to express themselves ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
I agree. And I'm ok with Anthem, it is just not my type of game. Hopefully they can make it work, because right now it wouldn't help anyone, if that game would be doomed.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 14, 2020, 12:07:00 AM
I agree. And I'm ok with Anthem, it is just not my type of game. Hopefully they can make it work, because right now it wouldn't help anyone, if that game would be doomed.

If anything it will probably be the game that finances other great projects...

...like a sequel to Jade Empire ?

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f53c7505-d455-41a7-8887-6942e8bc0095/d60bwfz-2d140ebc-3835-43c8-bb07-8d24a9bc0a0d.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Y1M2M3NTA1LWQ0NTUtNDFhNy04ODg3LTY5NDJlOGJjMDA5NVwvZDYwYndmei0yZDE0MGViYy0zODM1LTQzYzgtYmIwNy04ZDI0YTliYzBhMGQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.KheAMH1gS3qDLuMfCup80WEj9sV90gZBjuy6kW2PUHs)

Please Casey Hudson ?

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 14, 2020, 05:50:17 AM
Would be great.
For now, I'm playing SWTOR again. It's nice, I really.missed it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 15, 2020, 08:07:17 PM
Would be great.
For now, I'm playing SWTOR again. It's nice, I really.missed it.

Talking to you and Highwayman667 about KOTOR and SWTOR, has made me reinstall the latter.  Although I still dislike what they did to both Revan and the Exile, and I also dislike how they retconned KOTOR 2.  I did enjoy playing as a Jedi Knight.  I just have two questions for you fylimar.  Is it true now we could get by only doing story missions?  By that I mean I don't have to do anymore of those boring clearing out bases quests? 

Oh I forgot to mention one of my favorite planets is Korriban it has that ancient Egyptian vibe, which the old Sith are based on.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 15, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
I don't know, if only story missions is enough. I do some pvp between the story missions - it gives a lot of xp and money. But I would try, if I were you. Maybe if it isn't enough, do the Heroics with your companion, they are a bit more challenging and you get new and better gear.

I played my main character Janei Lovecraft today - that really felt good. She was my first ever character, a healer smuggler, and she is still my favorite. She has a lot of great stuff and relatively good gear from the time when I did operations with her. Janei is Mirilian.

Another character I really like, is my sorceress Myca Vykos (yeah, I'm a Vykos fangirl, so I had to make a Sith named after them - the most fitting class for Vykos in Star Wars). SHe is only level 24 so far and I mostly play story with her , with some pvp and hHeroics in between. She is overleveled, so maybe class story is enough. Vykos is SIth race  - I thought, they look most similar to a Tzimisce - although Vykos as Sascha has sometimes some kind of tentacles, so maybe a Twilek would have been a fit too.

Where are you playing? I'm mainly on Star Forge at the moment. There are some people from the BSN Board, whom I like, playing there - space cowboy and Obsidian Gryphon. I try to meet up with them there, but we managed to miss each otehr so far. I have some characters on teh German server, Tulak Hord, too, since I'm from Germany and originally started on a German server. But since I play the game in English anyway and Star Forge is more populated, I switched.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 15, 2020, 09:28:37 PM
I don't know, if only story missions is enough. I do some pvp between the story missions - it gives a lot of xp and money. But I would try, if I were you. Maybe if it isn't enough, do the Heroics with your companion, they are a bit more challenging and you get new and better gear.

I played my main character Janei Lovecraft today - that really felt good. She was my first ever character, a healer smuggler, and she is still my favorite. She has a lot of great stuff and relatively good gear from the time when I did operations with her. Janei is Mirilian.

Another character I really like, is my sorceress Myca Vykos (yeah, I'm a Vykos fangirl, so I had to make a Sith named after them - the most fitting class for Vykos in Star Wars). SHe is only level 24 so far and I mostly play story with her , with some pvp and hHeroics in between. She is overleveled, so maybe class story is enough. Vykos is SIth race  - I thought, they look most similar to a Tzimisce - although Vykos as Sascha has sometimes some kind of tentacles, so maybe a Twilek would have been a fit too.

Where are you playing? I'm mainly on Star Forge at the moment. There are some people from the BSN Board, whom I like, playing there - space cowboy and Obsidian Gryphon. I try to meet up with them there, but we managed to miss each otehr so far. I have some characters on teh German server, Tulak Hord, too, since I'm from Germany and originally started on a German server. But since I play the game in English anyway and Star Forge is more populated, I switched.

Yeah it's those heroic missions I was trying to avoid, but you do make a good point about getting good gear by doing them.  The last time I played was two years ago and the server name I think was called 'Ebon Hawk.'  But I will see about transferring both my characters to the Star Forge.  Both my Jedi and Sith are over level 60.  The last time I played the level cap was lvl 65.  I remember I had a stronghold on the Sith homeworld, and I never got to fully decorate it.

The game is still updating so I don't know when I'll be able to play.  But just to get an idea.  What time is it in Germany?  It's 4:27 pm over here in NY.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 15, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
It's nearly eleven p. m. here in Germany. I have switched off the pc and will settle with a good book for the rest of the evening. You might automatically have been transferred to one of the remaining two American servers, Star Forge or Satele Shan.
Janei is now level 65, I have a Jedi healer on level 60, the rest is below.
I started a mercenary healer (healing rules) named Fylimar yesterday. Playing a healer is a good and quick way to get through the Heroics. I don't think, the companions do a good job as healer. With my shadow I died a few times, because Quyzen wasn't able to keep me healthy, when I play a healer and switch my companions to tank, all is well.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 15, 2020, 10:46:51 PM
It's nearly eleven p. m. here in Germany. I have switched off the pc and will settle with a good book for the rest of the evening. You might automatically have been transferred to one of the remaining two American servers, Star Forge or Satele Shan.
Janei is now level 65, I have a Jedi healer on level 60, the rest is below.
I started a mercenary healer (healing rules) named Fylimar yesterday. Playing a healer is a good and quick way to get through the Heroics. I don't think, the companions do a good job as healer. With my shadow I died a few times, because Quyzen wasn't able to keep me healthy, when I play a healer and switch my companions to tank, all is well.

The game finally finished downloading and I quickly looked at the start menu and it says 'Star Forge.'  I will most likely play tomorrow.  Have a goodnight.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 16, 2020, 01:57:14 AM
I might just join you both at the BSN... *rubs chin*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 16, 2020, 03:10:30 AM
I might just join you both at the BSN... *rubs chin*

That's great welcome aboard.  I usually hangout on the DAO and DA2 sections.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 16, 2020, 03:47:43 AM
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 16, 2020, 07:10:40 AM
I might just join you both at the BSN... *rubs chin*

Yay, welcome. I'm fylimar over there too.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 16, 2020, 07:11:48 AM
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.


Nice ones.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 16, 2020, 04:33:43 PM
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.

Suspicious lack of mandalorian/mercenary/scoundrel type of characters !

EDIT: Is this the right BSN ? --> http://bsn.boards.net/
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 16, 2020, 07:41:26 PM
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.

Suspicious lack of mandalorian/mercenary/scoundrel type of characters !

EDIT: Is this the right BSN ? --> http://bsn.boards.net/

Yes, that's the one.

Here are some of my characters


I have joined a BSN BOard guild today in SWTOR. It's just a little fun guild for hanging out.
Did some pvp today and still got the hang for the healer (smuggler and agent). I'm glad, I haven't lost my touch.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 16, 2020, 07:52:41 PM
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.

Suspicious lack of mandalorian/mercenary/scoundrel type of characters !

EDIT: Is this the right BSN ? --> http://bsn.boards.net/

Yes, that's the one.

Here are some of my characters


I have joined a BSN BOard guild today in SWTOR. It's just a little fun guild for hanging out.
Did some pvp today and still got the hang for the healer (smuggler and agent). I'm glad, I haven't lost my touch.

Well I tried my Sith Sorceror today did a couple of Heroic missions, and found that the enemies during those missions are no longer damage sponges.  That was the part I dreaded, fighting one enemy would take forever.  But now they go down pretty quickly as they should, since my character is the max level for the planet.

What's the name of the guild?  Maybe I'll check it out.  My username is DTalyn, and my characters names I don't know lol.  I got them from the random name generator in game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 17, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 17, 2020, 08:48:07 PM
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.

Thank you Fyli. I would appreciate it. I'm a bit skeptical about going to the Bioware community but... if it's anything like you and Talyn82 then I'm sure I will have a grand time.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 17, 2020, 11:00:11 PM
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.

Thank you Fyli. I would appreciate it. I'm a bit skeptical about going to the Bioware community but... if it's anything like you and Talyn82 then I'm sure I will have a grand time.

Well I only hang out on the DAO and DA2 sections.  I avoid the DAI section for spoilers.  It was because of my curiosity the whole Solas arc was spoiled.  I avoid the DA4 section for both spoilers on DAI and toxicity.  There's also a Mass Effect section and general gaming section.  I sometimes hang out there helping people with KOTOR.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 18, 2020, 03:16:26 AM
Well I only hang out on the DAO and DA2 sections.  I avoid the DAI section for spoilers.  It was because of my curiosity the whole Solas arc was spoiled.  I avoid the DA4 section for both spoilers on DAI and toxicity.  There's also a Mass Effect section and general gaming section.  I sometimes hang out there helping people with KOTOR.

Oh lord... the Mass Effect section... I'll have to bring serious armament into that one !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on February 18, 2020, 03:24:58 AM
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 18, 2020, 03:41:22 AM
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙

Greetings neonate!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 18, 2020, 04:18:08 AM
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙

Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on February 18, 2020, 04:24:05 AM
Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
My main character is Sith Sorcerer, which is all lightning based. Maybe that's why I suck at flashpoints all the time. I also recently finished story as Vanguard Trooper and she is mostly helples without 4X to tank.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 18, 2020, 05:26:00 AM
Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
My main character is Sith Sorcerer, which is all lightning based. Maybe that's why I suck at flashpoints all the time. I also recently finished story as Vanguard Trooper and she is mostly helples without 4X to tank.

I'm a level 65 lightning based Sith Sorceror as well.  I don't do any flashpoints.  In fact even though it's an mmo, I play the game as if it were a single player game.  That does not mean I do not like to socialize.  At one time I had a guild with a few members but we were tight.  I also try to help out other players when they're in a tough fight.

But anyway I've been playing for free, because I get paid two weeks from now so I can't subscribe yet.  So I am sticking to mainly story missions.  Once I subscribe I'll do the Heroic quests to get better gear. 

One thing I never understood is.  Why can't we get good gear doing story missions?  The gear you get from story missions is always less than what you get doing Heroics.  I got a ton of Heroic missions to do for planets I already visited in the past.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 18, 2020, 07:38:13 AM
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.

Thank you Fyli. I would appreciate it. I'm a bit skeptical about going to the Bioware community but... if it's anything like you and Talyn82 then I'm sure I will have a grand time.

I was answering Talyn about the BSN guild in SWTOR. Everyone can join the forum, you just have to create an account there.
There is nothing to worry about, the people there are mostly nice. I didn't have troubles so far.

Also, welcome Jenya
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 18, 2020, 07:40:34 AM
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙

Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !

I have four scoundrels and only a few sith and jedis. Scoundrels rule, there is no better class. As a matter of fact, two of the three characters, I showed in one of my last posts, are scoundrels, the Mirilian and the Twilek.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 18, 2020, 07:47:35 AM
Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
My main character is Sith Sorcerer, which is all lightning based. Maybe that's why I suck at flashpoints all the time. I also recently finished story as Vanguard Trooper and she is mostly helples without 4X to tank.

I thought sorcerers are one of the most powerful classes in terms of damage. My sorceress has the lightning tree too, but I might rescill her to healing. I love the healer role the most.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on February 18, 2020, 07:53:08 AM
I thought sorcerers are one of the most powerful classes in terms of damage. My sorceress has the lightning tree too, but I might rescill her to healing. I love the healer role the most.

They are, but my Sorcerer is pretty much useless in close combat and that's her greatest weakness. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 02:53:23 AM
I'm thinking about stop playing as my Sith Sorcerer and start playing Jedi Guardian again.  I reached a point with my Sorcerer where I need better gear, and to do that I need to do Heroic missions, but since I can't subscribe at the moment, I don't get any new gear doing Heroics.  No problem, I will continue with my Jedi Guardian or maybe create a Sith warrior.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 19, 2020, 03:22:32 AM
I have four scoundrels and only a few sith and jedis. Scoundrels rule, there is no better class. As a matter of fact, two of the three characters, I showed in one of my last posts, are scoundrels, the Mirilian and the Twilek.

That's my girl !

I'm a bit surprised classes don't receive expansions or specializations of some kind... might be wrong about that though but I am curious because I've always liked Bioware's class specialization approach in their RPG's.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 04:28:55 AM
I have four scoundrels and only a few sith and jedis. Scoundrels rule, there is no better class. As a matter of fact, two of the three characters, I showed in one of my last posts, are scoundrels, the Mirilian and the Twilek.

That's my girl !

I'm a bit surprised classes don't receive expansions or specializations of some kind... might be wrong about that though but I am curious because I've always liked Bioware's class specialization approach in their RPG's.

You mean like Soldier -> Jedi Guardian in KOTOR?  If so yes you can.  For example in SWTOR you can specialize a Jedi Knight into either a Jedi Guardian or Jedi Sentinel.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 05:29:16 AM
I've been messing around with the character creator.  Here's a look I may choose for Sith Juggernaut.  Except for the jewelry he kinda looks like Naga Sadow, the Dark Lord who brought destruction to the ancient Sith Empire.

Does anyone know how to post a screenshot within the post?  I mean not at the bottom but within the main post?

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 19, 2020, 06:05:42 AM
Talyn:He looks badass.
I don't think you can post a picture in a post, only as attachment.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 19, 2020, 08:12:57 PM
Hey talyn82: I talked to Kaidan, our guild leader and she has agreed to invite you and see how things are going. I'll give you my character names and you can contact me, when I'm online, I will let Kaidan know (I don't remember all her toons, but I can contact her via Discord).:

Here are my characters:
Imperium (all normal names, my Legacy name Lovecraft is displayed as The Lovecraft legacy unter the names, that already have a surname):

Myca Vykos
Kaiya Loran
Fylimar (:P)
Fyliana


Republic:

Lia Asari
Janeí
Marei Kaldwin
Liya Vykos
Miya Soral
Fyliara

If I'm not online (due to different time zones, I'm from Germany), then write me a message over the BSN board.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 08:24:45 PM
Hey talyn82: I talked to Kaidan, our guild leader and she has agreed to invite you and see how things are going. I'll give you my character names and you can contact me, when I'm online, I will let Kaidan know (I don't remember all her toons, but I can contact her via Discord).:

Here are my characters:
Imperium (all normal names, my Legacy name Lovecraft is displayed as The Lovecraft legacy unter the names, that already have a surname):

Myca Vykos
Kaiya Loran
Fylimar (:P)
Fyliana


Republic:

Lia Asari
Janeí
Marei Kaldwin
Liya Vykos
Miya Soral
Fyliara

If I'm not online (due to different time zones, I'm from Germany), then write me a message over the BSN board.

That's great news!  I know my Legacy name is Mavru, but I don't know my characters names at the moment, since they were randomly generated.  When I get home later I'll look them up
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 19, 2020, 09:34:58 PM
I'm off to bed for today - it's late evening here in Europe. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 20, 2020, 12:45:10 AM
I'm off to bed for today - it's late evening here in Europe.

Have a goodnight!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 20, 2020, 07:55:38 PM
Talyn: we might have a problem with the different time zones. If we don't manage to meet each otehr in game, I ask space cowboy, if he would take care of you - you are from the US, right?
I'm probably asleep already, when you come online most of the time :)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 20, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
Talyn: we might have a problem with the different time zones. If we don't manage to meet each otehr in game, I ask space cowboy, if he would take care of you - you are from the US, right?
I'm probably asleep already, when you come online most of the time :)

Yes, I am in the US.  Let's set a date, I'll let you know when I'm awake at your time zone, and if you're not busy we could meet up in game.  I will list my characters name later on tonight.  Or I could do better I'll post pics of them on the main menu.  It displays their names.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 21, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Talyn: which timezone in teh US do you have? I was thinking, that we maybe could meet ingame on sunday. I don't have to work on Monday (we have carnival here in Germany and I live in a part, where this is a really big thing), so I can stay up a bit longer. If I have 8:00 pm in Germany, you have from 11 am (PT) to 14 am (ET) depending on where you live in the US.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 21, 2020, 08:21:45 PM
Talyn: which timezone in teh US do you have? I was thinking, that we maybe could meet ingame on sunday. I don't have to work on Monday (we have carnival here in Germany and I live in a part, where this is a really big thing), so I can stay up a bit longer. If I have 8:00 pm in Germany, you have from 11 am (PT) to 14 am (ET) depending on where you live in the US.

I live in New York City and the Eastern timezone.  I can do Sunday.

Here are my characters.  Their names are displayed in the upper right.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 22, 2020, 03:34:48 PM
How about Sunday 3 pm your timezone? That would be 9 pm for me.
Where do you want to log in - Republic or Imp? I would come online with Liya Vykos (Vykos is part of the name, not the Legacy name) on Rep side or Fylimar on imp side.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 22, 2020, 07:41:22 PM
Alright I have no problem with that.  As to what side whichever you want.  I have a Jedi Knight that is on Tatooine, and a Sith Sorceror, and Sith Warrior on Balmorra.  Let me know which side you want.:)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 22, 2020, 09:32:57 PM
Alright I have no problem with that.  As to what side whichever you want.  I have a Jedi Knight that is on Tatooine, and a Sith Sorceror, and Sith Warrior on Balmorra.  Let me know which side you want.:)

OK, then maybe republic side and I will be on as Janeì, the smuggler (trying to finalyl get her to level 75). I just talked to space cowboy and he will try to be on too, because he can invite people into the guild. He is from your timezone.

I will take your jedi on my friend list and keep an eye out for you.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 22, 2020, 09:56:31 PM
Alright I have no problem with that.  As to what side whichever you want.  I have a Jedi Knight that is on Tatooine, and a Sith Sorceror, and Sith Warrior on Balmorra.  Let me know which side you want.:)

OK, then maybe republic side and I will be on as Janeì, the smuggler (trying to finalyl get her to level 75). I just talked to space cowboy and he will try to be on too, because he can invite people into the guild. He is from your timezone.

I will take your jedi on my friend list and keep an eye out for you.

Okay no problem.  My Jedi Knight is around his 40's level wise.  But we gain experience fast.  What is the new level cap, 75?  I will also add your character to my friends list.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 08:18:01 AM
Yes, 75 is the level cap. Janei is level 68 now. I did some Flashpoint yesterday with two guild members to level up.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 23, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
I'll be on the Republic Fleet.  Like I said earlier since your a higher level than me, I haven't unlocked all the planets for my character.  So I'll be on the Fleet looking for you.  Also I tried adding you to my friends list and it said your character did not exist.  I tried it with my Sith warrior.  Should I try it with my Jedi Knight instead.  You know what I'll try it.:)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 06:55:26 PM
Janeì with an accent over the i. She is smuggler, so I don't think, you can put her on the imperial friend list. At the moment I'm online with Marei Kaldwin, I was planning to sitch later, but if you are online with your Jedi, I find you

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 23, 2020, 07:16:49 PM
I can't go on right now, since I am taking care of my niece and nephew.  But I will post here tomorrow before logging in the game, then I will send my Jedi to the Republic Fleet.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Ok, I was holding this time spot free to help you get into the guild.

I wil lgive you my characters, all of them - befriend them and if you see me online, whisper me. I don't see any other option to solve this. Befriend the IMp characters with your imp charas and the reps with your jedi.
And jus tcopy the names from here, so you have the correct writing with accents and all:

Rep:
Janeì
Marei Kaldwin
Fyliara
Liya Vykos
Lia Asari

Imp:
Myca Vykos
Fylianna
Fylimar
Fyliana
Kaiya Loran


I can't promise, that I'm online much this week, since I have a lot of real life stuff coming up.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 08:08:43 PM
Space Dog from the BSN forum has offered to step in. He is from your time zone, so there should be less problems to meet ingame. He can invite you.

Here are a few of his chars on Republic side :

Shintiana
Shinian
Dai-shin
Shintan


I have to look his imp characters up, but if your online with your jedi, look for those characters. HE is online pretty regular.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 23, 2020, 09:39:34 PM
Okay, thank you very much.  I will add those names to both my Jedi and Sith friends list.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 26, 2020, 06:28:44 PM
Not exactly Bioware related but I've just finished Planescape Torment... and oh boy...

*a single manly tear rolls down*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 26, 2020, 07:04:51 PM
I have to play that one day.

I think, I will reinstall DA2 soon, I need my fix. It's one of the games, that is normally always installed (like VTMB), but I didn't come around to install it on my new pc yet.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 26, 2020, 08:18:23 PM
Is it possible to have a gay romance in DA2 ? I know women can with Isabella but I was curious about trying my luck with Fenris one day  :grin:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 26, 2020, 08:37:18 PM
@Highwayman667:  Yeah all of the companions are bisexual.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 26, 2020, 09:26:17 PM
Yeah, Fenris and Anders are Bi, only Sebastian isn't, but who wants to romance Sebastian anyway.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 26, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
@fylimar:  Since my game does not recognize the any of the dlc's I have.  I never met Sebastion, but I do know a lot of people don't like him.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 26, 2020, 09:39:14 PM
@Talyn82: He's not a very entertaining character. I can't imagine playing Origins without Shale but DA2 without Sebastian... pretty cool !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 26, 2020, 10:41:14 PM
@Highwayman667:  Yeah I heard he was a bad character.  At least I'm not missing anything.:)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 05:27:51 AM
@fylimar:  I'm not going to be able to get any gameplay done for the rest of the week due to my job.  So I won't be playing SWTOR until next Monday or Tuesday.  I do wanna comeback and wrap up Nar Shaddaa with my Sith Warrior.  I want to also create a new Jedi Guardian because I forgot most of the story.  But I will keep the old one for operations.


I also want to get back into VTMB.  It's been a month since I last played and want to replay as a Tremere again, but this time he will be a persuasive talker.  I also want to replay a Toreador, but this time focusing on auspex and celerity.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 05:38:47 AM
@Highwayman667:  I did not see your comment on Planesacape.  What a great game huh?  I have the enhanced edition and want to replay the game.  It's one of Avellone's best games.  Another great game of his if you have not tried it is KOTOR 2.  I know you don't like mods.  But to get the most out of the game you will need to install the restored content mod.  Like the title says it restores a lot of the content that was cut due to Lucas Arts rushing Obsidian to release an incomplete game.  Also the mod fixes several but not all game bugs.


Here is a spoiler free mod build.  Showcasing mods that are lore friendly and restores content and fixes bugs not covered by the restored content mod.  You don't have to install all the mods.  Just install the ones flagged as essential.


KOTOR 2 and VTMB have some similarities.  Both Troika and Obsidian were founded by developers that worked on the original Fallout.  Both KOTOR 2 and VTMB were rushed out the door buggy and incomplete due to greedy publishers.  While KOTOR 2 was Obsidian's first game.  VTMB was Troika's last game.




Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 27, 2020, 05:53:10 AM
I won't be online for the rest of the week either.
As for dlcs not showing up,:I have that problem with DAO, I can't play the dlcs anymore. EA helpdesk is not very helpful with this (as with my DAI starting problem)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 06:33:16 AM
@fylimar:  With DAO I suggest buying it from GOG.com.  It comes will all the dlc included with the game for one low price.  As for DAI.  Are you using any mods?  Have you searched online to see if others had the same problem, and if they found any solutions?


EA was also worthless when I asked them for help about not being able to access the dlc in DA2.  This is why I wish they'd sell their games through other outlets like GOG.com, because sites like GOG test the game before they make it available.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 27, 2020, 10:42:15 AM
I did everything with DAI and at the moment it is a clean install without mods. I can't get it to work, no matter,  what I do. We discussed this a few pages here ago.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 27, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
The hell is wrong with quoting on the forum now  :angry:  ?

@Talyn82: I couldn't hold myself and I AM playing the Enhanced Edition right now. Get ready Falls-From-Grace, I'm coming for you gurl !

And well, I'm not much of a mod guy but I couldn't imagine playing VTMB without Wesp's patch... which is already a mod. If there's something similar that improves the Kotor 2 experience then I won't be passing on that one. Next game though... is for Fyli: Baldur's Gate !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 01:06:53 PM
@fylimar:  I remember discussing this a few pages ago.  I was just thinking it might have been a mod issue.


@Highwayman667:  Did you ever play the original KOTOR?  If not start with that one.  Cause the sequel makes a lot of references to the original.  Plus you need no mods to enjoy the full experience.  Unlike the sequel BioWare had time to finish the game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 27, 2020, 01:14:11 PM
@Talyn82: I have my well-enjoyed 250 hours (aprox) into KOTOR. Wonderful game... though I think Jade Empire beats it... unpopular opinion, I know. I could deffinitely enjoy KOTOR 2 with a couple of mods as well; recently I was even more interested in playing it from seeing a Chris Avellone interview in which he pretty much admits to hating Star Wars, which is just gold:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAdvqAG5goA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAdvqAG5goA)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 07:00:13 PM
@Highwayman667:  In KOTOR 2 there is a great character called Kreia, the dislike Avellone has for SW he put into her.  As you play the game and find out more and more about her, you will see what I mean.  KOTOR 2 is a deconstruction of Star Wars.  In the original game it was a classic story of light versus dark.  In the sequel it's more morally grey, and this narrative is told through Kreia who in my opinion is the best SW character ever. 



But I will not spoil the game for you.  I will let you find out on your own.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 27, 2020, 07:03:30 PM
Yes, Kreia is great. Though you do have at least a morally grey jedi in KOTOR with Jolee Bindo, on of my favorite characters. His personal quest was the most fun - the murder mystery.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 07:27:25 PM
@fylimar:  Jolee is indeed great.  I love his take on love and how it does not necessarily lead to the darkside.  I mean if you ever read the 'Tales of the Jedi' comics which take place 40 years before and are referenced in both games,  Jedi hooking up with each other and having children was not a strange thing to see at the time.  The original KOTOR was supposed to be based on the comics.  Bastila was supposed to be Vima Sunrider daughter of Nomi Sunrider, but since BioWare could not get permission for the Sunrider name, they renamed the character Bastila.  That is also why the Council in K1 don't make a big deal about Revan and Bastila getting very close to each other. 


Would've been a twist if it turned out the Exile was Kreia and Jolee's love child. lol
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 28, 2020, 03:19:57 AM
Damnit Wesp, I want my regular quotes back again !

@Fylimar: You mean the trial at Manaan ? What an amazing quest. Totally crowned the game for me.

@Talyn82: Love in SW is just another victim of the destruction caused by the prequels. I'm really glad we're pretty much over it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 28, 2020, 05:41:15 AM
Highwayman:Yes, I meant the trial in Manaan. Really liked the quest.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 28, 2020, 06:07:54 AM
Yeah both KOTOR games are classics in my opinion.  The original KOTOR was not only the first Star Wars game I ever played.  It was also the game that got me into Star Wars in general.  My favorite era is the Old Republic era thanks to the games, the 'Tales of the Jedi' comics, and the Darth Bane Trilogy.  The Darth Bane Trilogy was written by the guy who wrote the story for the original KOTOR game.  But he also wrote the imo terrible 'Revan' novel.  But the DB Trilogy is really good and worth a read.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 28, 2020, 11:25:50 PM
KOTOR was my first Star Wars game too. I'm not a really big fan of the movies, but I like the universe. We have a Star Wars pen and paper group and that is a lot of fun. The universe can be so much more, than the movies show us.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 29, 2020, 01:41:20 AM
@fylimar:  I first saw the movies later in life than most people do.  Most people who saw Star Wars either saw them when they were first released, or when their parents first introduced them to the movies.  I was 23 years old when the original KOTOR was released, and thus I was 23 when I first saw all the films except episode 3 because the film was released two years later.


But I agree with you I am more of a fan of the universe which includes the Old Republic EU stories and games.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 29, 2020, 04:38:35 PM
Blasphemers. The movies are great... the original trilogy at least.

Whatever the case, Knights of the Old Republic is truly an astonishing game. I was recently discussing with a friend who thought they shouldn't do a remake of it, perhaps an enhanced edition. I couldn't dissagree more, I feel a remake could help with a lot of the issues many people had in regards to the combat systems and the presentation. It's certainly no issue to me but there's a lot of classics out there that would benefit immensely from the kind of treatment the Resident Evil series is currently getting.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 02, 2020, 06:44:05 AM
@Highwayman667:  I agree a remake would be great.  but I do not trust EA nor Lucas Films to do a respectable job.  They would most likely inject real world politics, and if the player chooses a male Revan they will diminish his role in the game.


Here's my Sith Warrior wearing the ancient Dark Lord Naga Sadow's armor, and Darth Malak's armor:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 02, 2020, 10:25:14 AM
@Talyn82: I don't know, I have particular opinions on that. I don't find it bothersome that there's real life politics in games: nobody except the right-wing snowflakes were bothered with those aspects in DAI. I will agree that it cannot be left to EA to handle it though. That is one company going straight down the drain in terms of quality.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 02, 2020, 04:43:56 PM
@Highwayman667:  I'm just saying I prefer the original story.  That's what made that game great it was the story.  As for EA.  Yeah they're going down the gutter, along with Activision.  I enjoyed DAI.  It was just all the side quests that drove me crazy since I am a completionist.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 02, 2020, 09:24:46 PM
@Talyn82: Same here. I can do 250 hours of the Witcher 3 without batting an eyelash because those quests have A LOT of story and subtance; it's very much completionist heaven because you'll never feel like you're putting work to your own game. The DAI sidequests though... micro-nightmares !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 03, 2020, 09:51:32 AM
Ah - finally, I can post again. I was a Firefox victim on this side.
About male Revan being diminuished: I think, the female Revans should be more conscious about that - seeing that a white male (and a mad man on top) is considered canon. I would gladly see them taking that back. As we discussed a few pages ago: giving the player a choice and then taking it away is just mean.

About politics in games: I'm ok with games having a message, especially nowadays, where right wing politics is on the rise again everywhere. But it should fit the game and the setting - and I do like a more subtle approach. I'm not stupid, I can read between the lines. They do botch that at the moment with Doctor Who - trying to hammer in a message every episode, when DW fans are capable to understand a more subtle approach.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 03, 2020, 08:16:01 PM
@fylimar:  I agree if they were to remake KOTOR they should allow us to pick and choose our race and gender.  I just hope this time they create some nice looking male Hispanic heads.  I am Hispanic and never chose those ugly heads in the original or the sequel.


About politics in games.  I don't mind it either.  I mean VTMB was very political.  They injected real life politics into the game, and I still love the game.  It is one of my top favorite rpg's of all time.  My favorite part is when Venus asks you to confess, and one of the choices is "I voted Republican once."  I loved that it was hilarious.  But what I meant before was that I think the original story in KOTOR was great and should not be altered.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 03, 2020, 09:15:48 PM
I think, they did a good job with the Resident Evil Remakes from what I have seen so far - if a new KOTOR would be along that line, I would be more than ok with it.I agree, some of the heads aren't that nice. I don't know much about the male heads, but some of the females weren't great either. I had two favorites: one was an asian woman with a ponytail and the other a black woman - with a different kind of ponytail. THose two looked gret, the rest was a bit meh. But there were great mods back in the day, that gave you more choices for character creation. They even allowed you to play as different races. I played both games as a Twilek once.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 04, 2020, 01:38:33 AM
My favorite heads in KOTOR were the white mullet man, and the black bald man.  In K2 the only head I ever used was the white bearded male.  That head to me portrayed an Exiled Jedi wandering the galaxy, and not being able to use the Force.  Perfectly.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 09, 2020, 01:45:30 AM
@Highwayman667:  The last time you posted you said you were going to try Baldur's Gate.  How do you find them?  Do you think they still hold up to today?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 09, 2020, 02:21:54 AM
Man... are these quotes ever gonna get fixed ?

@Talyn82: Oh boy I most certainly did play it ! Thanks for asking.

So far I find it pretty excellent. It's a bit dated in terms of graphics and engine but it has everything one could ask of a role-playing game. Amazing exploration as well and some of the quests are just utter hilarity. I found a talking chicken yesterday begging me to help him... what a blast.

A slight problem might be that the game is governed by outdated D&D 2nd edition rules, so it is a bit jarring in having to balance the THAC0 with the damage and also trying to line up a backstab with stealth engaged and a BUUUNCH of other stuff, so it's a bit rigid in that sense. I also feel like dialogue might not be as important as it is in other similar games, like Planescape: Torment or the Fallout series. It depends I think. I've just arrived in Nashkel today, which is the start of chapter two.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 08:18:54 AM
In Baldurs Gate 1 there isn't much dialigue in the vanilla game. There is a nice mod though, the NPC project, that gives partybanter and even romances.
Baldurs Gate 2 has, in best Bioware Tradition, banter, romances, friendships and more.


I'm trying tanking in SWTOR. I made a Juggernaut and a Guardian (I haven't played those two storyline yet).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 09, 2020, 11:27:43 AM
@Fylimar: Interesting, I thought there were already romances in BG1. Still though, just yesterday I managed to recruit one of the most famous companions in videogame history... and his hamster.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 09, 2020, 12:39:59 PM
@Highwayman667:  Glad to hear that you are enjoying the classics.  Like Fylimar said there is no banter or romance since the game was not made by BioWare but Black Isle Studios.  Baldur's Gate II which was made by BioWare has romance and banter.  It was the first game developed by BW.


@Fylimar.  I enjoy both the Sith Warrior and Jedi Guardian storylines.  Especially the Jedi Guardian, it's pretty much a continuation of the KOTOR storyline.  But I have never completed it but seen many references to the classic rpg's.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on March 09, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Does anyone interested in Oricon ops?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 09, 2020, 01:20:11 PM
What's Oricon Ops?  I'll do a google search and return.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 05:47:57 PM
@Fylimar: Interesting, I thought there were already romances in BG1. Still though, just yesterday I managed to recruit one of the most famous companions in videogame history... and his hamster.
My favorite character in BG 1 was Kivan the ranger. I was never a big fan of Minsc, his jokes get old fast.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 05:51:59 PM

@Fylimar.  I enjoy both the Sith Warrior and Jedi Guardian storylines.  Especially the Jedi Guardian, it's pretty much a continuation of the KOTOR storyline.  But I have never completed it but seen many references to the classic rpg's.
I'm not the biggest Jedi and Sith fan. I enjoy stories like the smuggler and bounty hunter more. The consular story bored me to death and the sith sorceress isn't that great either. But I try to be the most cheeky jedi and sith in the history of those orders.
I'm a special case in that I like Star Wars more for the aliens and the underworld storylines than the high and mighty Sith and Jedi. I wished, we could have played KOTOR as a non force user and am glad we can do that in SWTOR (plus alien races - yay).

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 09, 2020, 05:55:51 PM
@fylimar: well that's certainly an aspect Bioware seemingly improved. You don't really interact much with the characters as far as I can tell. I am keeping Neera because she talks a lot and I wanted to get Rasaad as well for the same reason but... can't bring myself to kick Jaheira and Khalid out.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 09:27:03 PM
@fylimar: well that's certainly an aspect Bioware seemingly improved. You don't really interact much with the characters as far as I can tell. I am keeping Neera because she talks a lot and I wanted to get Rasaad as well for the same reason but... can't bring myself to kick Jaheira and Khalid out.
If you play Enhanced Edition (Neera and Raasad are from EE) then you will have romances, I think, but only the new characters
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 10, 2020, 12:50:52 AM
@fylimar:  About being able to play different classes other than Jedi or Sith, and being able to choose from various races.  That was the selling point for me.  I love playing as my male Sith Pureblood, and I want to create either a male Cathar Jedi or male Togruta Jedi.  As for the Sith Sorcerer storyline I played a bit of it and enjoyed it, but my Sorcerer is so weak damage wise I had to stop playing him.


But I do want to eventually try the Imperial Agent, Smuggler, Trooper, and bounty Hunter quests.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 20, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
How is everyone doing?  I hope everyone is safe and healthy as well as your loved ones.


@fylimar:  I haven't been able to get any time to play SWTOR, with this virus going around.  But hopefully soon I will get a chance.  The last time I played my Sith Warrior was on Alderaan, close to almost finishing the planet.


Anyway I hope everyone is well.


Take Care!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 20, 2020, 10:03:54 PM
Thank you Talyn, I am doing well so far. Right now we're in quarantine here in Peru until April. I really hope it doesn't go that far though because I need to work, even if I certainly have enough games to keep myself busy !

Currently I am playing Baldur's Gate and holy shit is that game LOOOONG....

... but also beautiful. I think it's very likely I am going to enjoy the second one, from our dear beloved Bioware.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 20, 2020, 10:22:08 PM
Kinda late but still... speaking of DA2, Sebastian is the worst companion ever, religious hypocrite crybaby and you can't even kill him in the end which is annoying.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 21, 2020, 01:36:44 AM
@Highwayman667:  Glad to hear you are doing well.  Over here they are saying the quarantine might last to June.  I also hope it doesn't last that long.  I've gotta work also.  I have been playing VTMB for about 10-20 minutes as a smooth talking Tremere this time around.  I had a Persuasion level of 6 and still couldn't convince the murderer to join the Camarilla. Out  of the four characters I've played it was my Malkavian of all vampires who convinced him.


I also want to replay KOTOR 2 this time as a darksider with the Restored Content Mod.  The darkside in the second game is a lot better than in the original game.


I am glad you are enjoying Baldur's Gate it is indeed a classic.  But the sequel is what put BioWare on the map, and introduces the BioWare formula for rpg's.  I will not speak about either game as not to spoil it for you.


Anyway stay healthy and stay safe!



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 21, 2020, 01:38:44 AM
@HappyDeathClaw:  It's never too late to talk about BW games.  Although I own all the dlc for DA2.  My game cannot access them so I never met Sebastion and do not have an opinion of him.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 21, 2020, 02:02:05 AM
Kinda late but still... speaking of DA2, Sebastian is the worst companion ever, religious hypocrite crybaby and you can't even kill him in the end which is annoying.


It's never a bad time to mention how Sebastian is just the WAAAAARST. Fylimar will also agree on this one.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 23, 2020, 06:28:27 AM
Oh yes, Sebastian is the worst. I don't bother with him anymore.


I'm well for now. Sadly I have lost my job and trying to get a new one in this crisis is a bit tricky. So I will have a lot of time in April.


I'm still playing SWTOR, my main character, smuggler healer Janei, is now level 75 and ready for endgame stuff. Played my mercenary healer yesterday and my jedi knight. The ladies are on Balmorra and Nar Shadaa now.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 24, 2020, 02:02:19 AM
@fylimar: real sorry about that fyli. I'm pretty much in the same place and I can't look for another one because we're on quarantine over here. So yeah, great for Baldur's Gate and The Sword Coast but not so much for me.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 24, 2020, 02:20:01 AM
@fylimar:  I am also sorry to hear you lost your job.  I too am at risk of being unemployed, and like Highwayman667 said.  With the quarantine it makes it hard to look for a job.


But I recently started replaying VTMB and will soon resume playing SWTOR.  So at least they will take my mind off of things.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 25, 2020, 06:00:57 PM
Thank you and sorry to hear, that you two are in a similar spot at the moment. Hopefully the crisis will be over sooner than later and things will get back to normal. There are still jobs I can apply to, but most of them send emails, that they wait the crisis out before doing job interviews.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 27, 2020, 08:18:24 PM
Speaking of fun with pestilence, I even kinda like it, never saw my city so that empty before, metro especially
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 28, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
People of Planet Vampire... Bioware lovers specially... Shepard calls upon thee !


(http://www.matthew-lang.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc-1.jpg)


Not really, but this quarantine does leave me with time to do a certain thing I always enjoy doing... a ranking !
 
So, here's the deal, Bioware has published these titles (North America release dates):

- Shattered Steel (1996)

- Baldur's Gate (1998)
- MDK2 (2000)
- Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (2000)
- Neverwinter Nights (2002)
- Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2003)
- Jade Empire (2005)
- Mass Effect (2007)
- Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood (2008)
- Mass Effect Galaxy (2009)
- Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
- Mass Effect 2 (2010)
- Dragon Age II (2011)
- Dragon Age Legends (2011)
- Star Wars: The Old Republic (2011)
- Mass Effect 3 (2012)
- Dragon Age: Inquisition (2014)
- Mass Effect: Andromeda (2017)
- Anthem (2019)

The idea is the following, we have 19 games released, most of which we love immensely so... let's rank 'em ! Let's see if we can find some favorites and build a deffinitive top for what we consider is the whole Bioware catalogue.

What I propose if the following: 1 point for games that we've played (because at least we've considered them interesting enough to play... not you Anthem), 2 points for games we like and have enjoyed (more than half of the list) and 3 points for games we absolutely love and believe to be the best of the best when it comes to Bioware material (maximum of 5 games in this category so we can build a decent top 5).

I think it would be a lot of fun to see if our tastes match, if we can agree on which and why the games we choose are the best. Now I just completely made up that "point system" from nothing, so feel free to make suggestions and once we agree, we may begin scoring and defining who... the best among Bioware are truly the best !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 29, 2020, 12:42:46 AM
Okay here are mine:
Knights of the Old Republic: 3
Dragon Age Origins: 3
Neverwinter Nights: 3
Baldur's Gate 2: 3
Baldur's Gate: 3
Dragon Age 2: 2
Dragon Age Inquisition: 2
SWTOR: 2
Jade Empire: 1
Mass Effect: 1
Mass Effect Galaxy
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect: Andromeda
MDK2
Anthem


It was tough deciding between the original Knight's of the Old Republic and Dragon Age Origins.  But in the end I chose KOTOR because without that game I never would have heard of BioWare, since I was mainly a console gamer at the time, and yes KOTOR was originally released for the original Xbox.  But once I was hooked into that game it made me want to try their other titles.


The title's with no points I never played.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 29, 2020, 04:05:46 AM
Well I'll put in mine. If for some reason fylimar or ocassional guest Wilhelm-Streicher want to make a different proposal feel free to do so.

Here's my top:

Mass Effect 3 (3 points)
Dragon Age Origins (3 points)
Baldur's Gate (3 points)
Jade Empire (3 points)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (3 points)
Mass Effect 2 (2 points)
Mass Effect (2 points)
Dragon Age II (2 points)
Dragon Age Inquisition (2 points)
MDK2 (2 points)

Haven't played yet:

Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Shattered Steel
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
Mass Effect Galaxy
Dragon Age: Legends
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Mass Effect Andromeda
Anthem

I want to let it be known that I haven't played Baldur's Gate 2 yet (I am finishing Dragonspear Talyn... it is glorious), so I might replace one with the other.

You'll notice from my top that, despite my absolute adoration for the Mass Effect franchise I haven't placed it on top 5, mostly because I didn't want it to take the spot of some very emblematic and well-deserving games of their due praise and accolades. I also gave MDK2 it's due because it is SUCH an underrated jewel.

You'll also notice that I am one of those strange extradimensional beings that feels Jade Empire is QUITE underrated. It is a beautiful game and a Bioware masterpiece through and through. I have my speculations on why it isn't as popular as other titles but it is quite frankly an improved version of Kotor to me.

Games with no points of course are Bioware games I haven't played... yet.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 29, 2020, 06:11:49 AM
@Highwayman667:  Great list and I am glad you're enjoying Baldur's Gate.  As for Jade Empire.  I think I know that one of if not the main reason why it is underrated, is because BioWare chose to work on that game instead of KOTOR 2.  The original KOTOR was the game that was released before Jade Empire.  This is also the reason why many KOTOR fans dislike the sequel because Obsidian not BioWare created it.  I on the other hand love the sequel and prefer the Exile over Revan. 


But now I'm ranting lets get back on topic.  BioWare choosing to work on Jade Empire and not KOTOR 2 is the reason for the dislike.  Personally I was there when KOTOR was first released and loved the hell out of the game, and wanted more of Revan's adventures.  I too was pissed when I heard that BW wasn't working on a sequel instead they were working on JE.  But I did try JE, but I never got far because at that time I was still heavy into Morrowind as well as KOTOR and it's sequel.


That is why for me it took 15 years to play Bloodlines.  I was still heavy into the games I posted above.  But I do own both the STEAM and GoG versions of Jade Empire and do want to replay it.


So in closing although I am not one of them.  People are still pissed that BW did not create KOTOR 2 to this day.


Oh one thing to know about me is when I post I usually wonder off topic and rant about something else.  It's a side effect of getting older I guess.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 29, 2020, 07:11:53 PM
Played only Mass Effect and Dragon Age 2, and everybody around are yelling at me that I should play DA: Origins first cause it's monumentally awesome, I suppose I'll do it since I have nothing really to do an entire week.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 29, 2020, 07:32:19 PM
@HappyDeathClaw:  Dragon Age: Origins is awesome.  Each race has an Origin story.  For example you could be a human noble, or Dalish elf.  Those are just two examples.  Then after that if you're a Star wars fan I recommend Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 31, 2020, 07:22:55 AM
Allright I started and immidiately thought (again) if Bethesda could write stories and dialogues like that it would be just priceless, instead they've just ruined Elder Scrolls franchise with their writings like it made in kindergarten for the kids-debiloids.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 31, 2020, 09:23:47 AM
Yeah Bethesda is not known for their writing.  Morrowind was the exception, and the thing is great writers like Chris Avellone, and Michael Kirkbride known simply as MK worked on Morrowind are freelance now, and Bethesda could hire them, but they choose not too.  Long ago when Oblivion was released they asked Todd Howard what he thought about the writing, and he said they were fine.


I still buy their games however but not for the story but the open world which allows me to roleplay.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on March 31, 2020, 08:13:39 PM
Well I'll put in mine. If for some reason fylimar or ocassional guest Wilhelm-Streicher want to make a different proposal feel free to do so.
Okay here is mine

Dragon Age Origins (3 points)Dragon Age Awakening & DAO DLCs (2 points some DAO DLCs just 1)Dragon Age 2 (2,5 points)Dragon Age Inquisition (1 point)
Baldur's Gate (3 points)Baldurs Gate 2 (3 points)
Baldurs Gate 2 Throne of Bhaal (3 points)
Jade Empire (3 points)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (3 points)
Mass Effect 1 (3 points)
Mass Effect 2 (2 points but the Lair of the Shadow Broker is a 3)
Mass Effect 3  (2,5 points basegame and 3 points with all DLCs)
Mass Effect Andromeda (2 points)
MDK2 (2 points i think)

Haven't played yet:

Shattered Steel
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
Mass Effect Galaxy
Dragon Age: Legends
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Anthem

Best Bioware game = Dragon Age Origins
Worst Bioware game = Anthem (i don´t have to play this to know this)
Overrated Bioware game = Mass Effect 2. I like Mass Effect 2 it has its awesome moments but man its really overrated. Maybe the best Mass Effect on its own but sorry the worst game within the trilogy. But for some gamers it is one of best games ever made and i really don´t unterstand this.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 31, 2020, 10:50:22 PM
This is highly unpopular, but Dragon Age 2 is my favorite and most played game. Not a fan of the Mass Effect series, it's too shootery and military (not a fan of that, I hate playing soldiers) and repetitive in my opinion. I quit the franchise halfway through ME 2. Someone told me, that Andromeda was less of all that, so I might give that a try. Will never ever try Anthem - that game looks and sounds boring and not my cup of tea. I watched some Let'S plays and they couldn't convince me otherwise.

Dragon Age II (3 points)
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (3 points)
Dragon Age Origins (3 points)
Baldur's Gate (3 points)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (3 points)
Star Wars - The Old Republic (3 points)
Dragon Age Inquisition (2 points)
Jade Empire (2 points)
Mass Effect 2 (1 points)
Mass Effect (1 points)



Haven't played yet:
MDK2
Mass Effect 3
Shattered Steel
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
Mass Effect Galaxy
Dragon Age: Legends
Mass Effect Andromeda
Anthem
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