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Title: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 06:00:46 pm
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Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Barabbah on January 09, 2020, 06:03:50 pm
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 06:19:09 pm
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.

No one likes Anthem also. Before anyone says it.

I'm kind of confused tho... the SWTOR servers have been up for a loooooooooooong time. Is it that bad ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Barabbah on January 09, 2020, 06:34:15 pm
Anthem was ruined on purpose by the producer, we all know the horror stories behind this disaster

Regarding the MMORPG, I don't give a damn if it's successful. It's a shame by design how they decided what was canon and what wasn't in the previous games
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 06:53:58 pm
Regarding the MMORPG, I don't give a damn if it's successful. It's a shame by design how they decided what was canon and what wasn't in the previous games

Things may change though. Disney has already acknowledged Revan as canon. Maybe something can be redeemed with a remake of Kotor.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 07:15:29 pm
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.

No one likes Anthem also. Before anyone says it.

I'm kind of confused tho... the SWTOR servers have been up for a loooooooooooong time. Is it that bad ?

No, SWTOR is a nice game. I played it for a long time (female Twi'lek smuggler healer :)). I had a nice guild there, but sadly, we disaband, because people moved to otehr games or just stopped playing. I have really fond memories of that game. I tried it again last year and moved some toons to UK-and US-servers. I found again a little guild, who needed a healer and I played for a while again. IT is still fun. I like the stories, especially from the smuggler and the Imperial agent and the characters. It has a lot of nice and typical Bioware stuff like companions (and romances), good voice actors and some interesting questlines.
THe only thing I hate there is Revan: my canon Revan is an asian woman (the one with the ponytail) or (with mods) a female Twi'lek and not some beared weirdo with a cult.


A bit of my personal Bioware stuff:

My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate, I still play BG and BG2 regulary.

My favorite Bioware fandom is by far Dragon Age. Apart from Bloodlines, I never played games as often as the three DA games. I have currently  playthroughsin all three games: Miya Amell, mage, romances Zevran, Liya Hawke, mage and really snarky, she will romance Isabella and my sweet little LIa Cadash, who romances Sera. I like the funny rogues as you can see. My favorite npc by far is Varric, he even tops Gary in Bloodlines (and if you read my posts, you know how much I love Gary). My favorite love interest is Zevran. I don't like Oghren, Morrigan, Sebastian and Solas.

KOTOR is another favorite. Played both games really often.

I never really got into ME, desipte having finished the first game and was nearly through with the second (stopped before suicide mission). I like some of the characters, especially Garrus, but the combat system is not my cup of tea. It's too shootery for me (I don't play shooter at all) and too much military. I might try again some day, but that's not a priority. Still, I love the Shep, I made (I have her attached).

I played Jade Empire, but didn't finish it. I was halfway through, when I got a new computer and somehow lost the old saves. But it was a beautiful game.

Anthem never interested me. I don't want to play in a bulky armor, no matter the genre - I'm shallow like that. But I heard, it wasn't received well.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 07:25:51 pm
That's a goddamn beautiful Shepard *claps*... BUT HOW DID YOU STOP BEFORE THE SUICIDE MISSION ?

Seriously play it. That's Hall of Legends stuff right there.

I am also of the opinion that Jade Empire is actually an improved KOTOR. I recommend you give it another go and try to finish it. The ending is some of the most underrated epic shit in videogames. It's uncanny.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 07:37:58 pm
That's a goddamn beautiful Shepard *claps*... BUT HOW DID YOU STOP BEFORE THE SUICIDE MISSION ?

Seriously play it. That's Hall of Legends stuff right there.

I am also of the opinion that Jade Empire is actually an improved KOTOR. I recommend you give it another go and try to finish it. The ending is some of the most underrated epic shit in videogames. It's uncanny.

Thanks, yes, I do love my Shep and her voice is cool. I jus twish, they had a different combat system, I really struggle with it. And I was looking forward to the Garrus romance, he is by far the best character in ME for me. I'm not such a fan of the companions, apart from Garrus, I like Tali, Wrex and Mordin, the rest is a bit ... meh. And I actively dislike Miranda (if I ever finish ME2, I will try to get rid of her in the suicide mission, I don't want to see her in ME3) and that racist - Ashley?- I killed her off in Virmine.

I will play Jade Empire one day, but at the moment, I have two big (non-Bioware) rpgs to finish, Pillars of Eternity (a gem) and Kingdoms of Amalur (just beautiful)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 09, 2020, 09:17:40 pm
I really like Inquisition, I don't see any problems with it other, than that it is a really long game. Luckily, you can decide, which side quests you want to do and which not. I like the companion cast of DAI the most Tbh.
Sorry but DAI isn´t a good game. Maybe average if you cut half of its content It had its moments but mostly it just steals your time.
Also the main story and therefore the villian Corypheus (an already beaten DA 2 DLC boss who gets lamer in DAI) was pretty dull.

The only good thing about this game are the 9 companions, 3 Advisors, 2 female dwarves and a few other NPCs like Calpernia.

Like i said in the other thread DAI is one of boring and therefore disappointing games i have ever played.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 09:46:09 pm
I really like Inquisition, I don't see any problems with it other, than that it is a really long game. Luckily, you can decide, which side quests you want to do and which not. I like the companion cast of DAI the most Tbh.
Sorry but DAI isn´t a good game. Maybe average if you cut half of its content It had its moments but mostly it just steals your time.
Also the main story and therefore the villian Corypheus (an already beaten DA 2 DLC boss who gets lamer in DAI) was pretty dull.

The only good thing about this game are the 9 companions, 3 Advisors, 2 female dwarves and a few other NPCs like Calpernia.

Like i said in the other thread DAI is one of boring and therefore disappointing games i have ever played.

That is your opinion, mine is, that it is a good game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Barabbah on January 09, 2020, 10:09:33 pm
I hate the MMORPG of star wars the old republic. It's an abomination.

No one likes Anthem also. Before anyone says it.

I'm kind of confused tho... the SWTOR servers have been up for a loooooooooooong time. Is it that bad ?
THe only thing I hate there is Revan: my canon Revan is an asian woman (the one with the ponytail) or (with mods) a female Twi'lek and not some beared weirdo with a cult.

There lies my problem with TOR: not only Revan but the whole game and the sequel was set to a prechosen path. All your gameplays? "No, take our and shut up!"

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maybe disney will do something about it
How about no? They did enough damages to Star Wars (without talking of what they did to the credibility of minorities with its forced inclusion of politically correct content)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 09, 2020, 10:15:44 pm
That is your opinion, mine is, that it is a good game.
Really?!? Have you played everything which DAI has offered? I do and it was a pain.
Sorry but a good game doesn´t bore you that many times like DAI. Also a good game is a game you want to replay.
But replaying DAI? Sorry but i rather watch some videos with the other stuff than playing this again.
Many players hate the Hinterlands but for me Hissing Wastes was the most dull level.

The main characters (minus the Inquisitor and Blackwall who where a bit too bland) and the Trespasser DLC are great but for the big majority you do
stuff with little to none payoff. Maybe the Game is better or good if you will when skip half or more of its content but in my opinion a game should
be assess if your opinion / critism is about the full game and not just the parts you like.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 10:33:12 pm
That is your opinion, mine is, that it is a good game.
Really?!? Have you played everything which DAI has offered? I do and it was a pain.
Sorry but a good game doesn´t bore you that many times like DAI. Also a good game is a game you want to replay.
But replaying DAI? Sorry but i rather watch some videos with the other stuff than playing this again.
Many players hate the Hinterlands but for me Hissing Wastes was the most dull level.

The main characters (minus the Inquisitor and Blackwall who where a bit too bland) and the Trespasser DLC are great but for the big majority you do
stuff with little to none payoff. Maybe the Game is better or good if you will when skip half or more of its content but in my opinion a game should
be assess if your opinion / critism is about the full game and not just the parts you like.

Yes I have played it, several times, with different races and classes and different romances. I have done the side quests and was in all maps. Is that enough for you? And no, I wasn't bored at all, I felt well entertained. I play the DA games a lot, I try out different things and look behind every corner. I love all three games.
Just because you don't like the game doesn't mean, it is bad. I hate Miranda in ME, but that does not make her a bad character, because what I don't like about her, others might love. It's called opinion.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 09, 2020, 10:52:11 pm
So please stop telling me, what I have to feel about something.
It is your time and taste. But i must say that i doubt that you feel all through the game "well entertained"
Every game is subjectiv but you can´t tell me that you aren´t bored at some time. If you do well you i don´t believe you.

After Anthem of course DAI is for me atleast the worst game Bioware have ever made. Even DA 2 isn´t that bad.
But yeah feel whatever you will about this. I only know one thing playing some areas from this game something dies in me at boredom.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 11:09:31 pm
So please stop telling me, what I have to feel about something.
It is your time and taste. But i must say that i doubt that you feel all through the game "well entertained"
Every game is subjectiv but you can´t tell me that you aren´t bored at some time. If you do well you i don´t believe you.

After Anthem of course DAI is for me atleast the worst game Bioware have ever made. Even DA 2 isn´t that bad.
But yeah feel whatever you will about this. I only know one thing playing some areas from this game something dies in me at boredom.

I have sections in every game, I don't like that much, even in Bloodlines. For example Halliwbrook Hotel,  the Golden Temple (not the fights with Andrei and Ming Xiao, they are great). In DAO the Deep Roads and yes, in DAI the shard quest. But those are minor things for me. If I like the overall feel of a game, I like the game. And all Dragon Age games have a lot for me to like and DAI has some of my all-time favorite quests, like In Hushed Whispers, In Your Heart Shall Burn, Wicked Eyes..., the Still Ruins, Dragonology, to name a few. I don't say, that the DA games are flawless, but they are great games imo, all three.
BTW, I did edit the sentence, you quoted out, because I thought, it was too harsh.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 10, 2020, 04:08:56 am
Long time BioWare fan here started with the original Knights of the Old Republic.  But my favorite game of their's hands down is 'Dragon Age: Origins.'  I love the human noble and mage origins, as well as both dwarven origins.  DAO also has my two favorite love interests in the series.  The bewitching Morrigan, and the seemingly sweet but don't turn your back on her Leliana.  I love them both and can't decide who to romance when I play.  I am currently doing a human mage playthrough who will fall in love or lust with Morrigan, and it is due to her influence my mage becomes a dreaded blood mage.

But on the BSN forums I'm known as a defender and admirer of both Morrigan and Leliana.  I've post tons of pictures I found around the web of them both.  But aside from them I do like Alistair, Zevran (even though he tried to kill me!), Sten, Ohgren, and our team mama Wynne.  Dragon Age: Origins also has one of my favorite villains in gaming Loghain.  The fact that he is voiced by Simon Templeman who voiced the titular character in the 'Legacy of Kain' series is an added bonus.

I remember when I first played the human noble origin and was shocked at the outcome.  I have yet to this day played any of the elvish origins.  To avoid spoilers I also have yet to recruit a certain npc to my party thus making another one angry and leave.  I also enjoyed the sequel I really liked the protagonist Hawke.  The battle as a warrior with the Arishok was tough with a lot of running around.  But mage Hawke owned him.

I played a bit of SWTOR as a Jedi Guardian but did not like it for several reasons.  One it's an mmo and I do not like mmo's.  Two it retconned KOTOR 2 my favorite game of the original two, and they make no mention as to what happened to the K2 companions.  Three it canonized Revan and the Exile.  In the SWTOR canon Revan up and left his pregnant wife behind to face the "Unknown threat" by himself.  He went from badass to dumbass.  Also the dumbass was imprisoned for 300 years.  The Exile in SWTOR canon is a lightside female named Meetra.  Who also died like a chump.  In my head canon the Exile is a cocky smartass Jedi male called Jacen, who hooks up with Briana, and rebuilt the Jedi Order before leaving to find Revan.  My point is the canon never lives up to what the fans wanted.  Four the Sith Empire.  That makes no sense whatsoever.  According to Visas, Darth Nihilus roamed around on the edges of Republic space.  His hunger would have surely driven him to an Empire of Force wielders.  Like it drew him to consume her planet when the Jedi Council gathered there.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 01:43:28 pm
Sorry but DAI isn´t a good game. Maybe average if you cut half of its content It had its moments but mostly it just steals your time. Also the main story and therefore the villian Corypheus (an already beaten DA 2 DLC boss who gets lamer in DAI) was pretty dull.

I'm a bit torn on this.

Here's the thing, you're absolutely right on how Inquisition is just a black hole of time consumption when it comes to most of it's content.

But can you seriously say the Battle of Haven, the Siege of the Grey Warden Fortress and the Trip to the Fade sucked ? Hell naw son. And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame.

It is deffinitely the worst Dragon Age game but... it still pulls through to me... somehow.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 10, 2020, 02:10:15 pm
But can you seriously say the Battle of Haven, the Siege of the Grey Warden Fortress and the Trip to the Fade sucked ? Hell naw son.
Like i said it has its moments but they are pretty rare.

The battle of Haven is bad in my opinion. First this has nothing to do with the battle but DAI Haven doesn´t look anything similar to DAO Haven.
Second i had saved everybody but regardless of the player actions everyone was replaced expect the blacksmith but i believe he couldn´t die there.
Third and mainly its Corypheus. Sorry but an already killed DA 2 DLC boss isn´t a threat.

But the song and the finding the Skyhold is nice but the overall battle is miles ahead to be good.

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Grey Warden Fortress and the Trip to the Fade sucked
These levels are ok but my main problem besides Corypheus is the returning DA 2 hero Hawke. I wasn´t able to recreate my Hawke just about as he/she looked
like in DA 2. Also he/she behaved differently than my Hawke in DA 2.
Also i couldn´t care of the Inquisitior backstory and the Divine.

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And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame.
You really indicate that the war table is good?!?

Sorry waiting severall hours or extreme ones like 18 hours is way too long. This is not a free mobile game. Also most of the rewards are disappointing.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 03:11:33 pm
I respect your criticisms but I think most of them are a bit preferential.

Okay... Haven doesn't look like it used to ? Does that matter at all ? Is the geography of the place so unbelieably important to the story ? Or is the SIGNIFICANCE of the place which is what really contributes to the overall plot ? I think it's the latter, as for the different look you might just say it's a different part of the region or something. Same with Hawke, I mean, he/she could never possibly look the same as in DA2 because the entire game is made on a completely different graphics engine. There was just no way you could've seen the exact same person.

Like i said it has its moments but they are pretty rare.

Maybe because as you say, we invest an insufferable amount of time doing pointless sidequests... or worse... fetch quests, which sometimes are not even those at all because you fetch nothing ! (Like discovering new regions in the map).

I think that's the deepest flaw of the game. You spend so much time doing nothing story-wise that the game gives you the impression that you're not playing something you like.

Second i had saved everybody but regardless of the player actions everyone was replaced expect the blacksmith but i believe he couldn´t die there.Third and mainly its Corypheus. Sorry but an already killed DA 2 DLC boss isn´t a threat.

Son, this is best battle theme you ever heard in your entire life:



That is just ONE bit of athmosphere that is greatly crafted for that battle alone. I could go on even further on why the entire thing works.

And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame. Sorry waiting severall hours or extreme ones like 18 hours is way too long. This is not a free mobile game. Also most of the rewards are disappointing.

I didn't mean to say it was perfect but most of the time you just wait around an hour or half the time.

Even then, those war table missions that last around twenty hours are still counting when you're not playing. That's why you can activate one, turn off your PC, go to sleep, go to work, have lunch, make out with your girlfriend, get a hot dog, play again and come to find that it's finished !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 10, 2020, 03:37:44 pm
Okay... Haven doesn't look like it used to ? Does that matter at all ? Is the geography of the place so unbelieably important to the story ?
Or is the SIGNIFICANCE of the place which is what really contributes to the overall plot ?
If you as a player revisit an known area you could expect that the area looks similiar to the previous visit.
If not what is the point of returning to Haven or Redcliff?

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Same with Hawke, I mean, he/she could never possibly look the same as in DA2 because the entire game is made on a completely different graphics engine. There was just no way you could've seen the exact same person.
Of course because of the Engine switch you can´t expect to recreate Hawke 100% but i was really disappointed that i even couldn´t recreate Hawke approximately
with similiar options. And personalitywise and there have DAI no excuse wasn´t Hawke the same as in DA 2.

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I think that's the deepest flaw of the game. You spend so much time doing nothing story-wise that the game gives you the impression that you're not playing something you like.
Like i said you cut half of DAI content and you won´t miss anything.
I don´t know if you have ever played the DAI DLC Trespasser. But this DLC featured all the stuff which are great and had cut all the stuff which are bad / boring.
If DAI had the same quality like Trespasser through the whole game when we have a great gaming experience.

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Son, this is best battle theme you ever heard in your entire life:
Nice but not as good and unique as in DAO or DA2. So yeah i prefer much more Inon Zur over Trevor Morris.
Also the DAI soundtrack is a bit generic for my taste.

So no this is better than for example Qunari on the Rise.


And what about the war table ? That is as RPG as you can ever get in a videogame. Sorry waiting severall hours or extreme ones like 18 hours is way too long. This is not a free mobile game. Also most of the rewards are disappointing.

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Even then, those war table missions that last around twenty hours are still counting when you're not playing. That's why you can activate one, turn off your PC, go to sleep, go to work, have lunch, make out with your girlfriend, get a hot dog, play again and come to find that it's finished !
Sorry that doesn´t make this better? Regradless what you do you have you wait or use the "cheat" in changing your systemtime.
So tell me please why is it okay to wait so long? Even the one hours ones are too long.
And at the end you get mostly some boring stuff you can´t used anymore because the rewarding item is too weak.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 04:43:22 pm
Wilhelm no... just no. I love Inon Zur and DA2 but I went into a goddamn coma with that piece.

Fylimar, Talyn82... which do you guys think is the best battle theme ? I think it's Battle for Haven but Wilhelm thinks it's Qunari on the Rise. Cast thy votes.

If you as a player revisit an known area you could expect that the area looks similiar to the previous visit. If not what is the point of returning to Haven or Redcliff?

Maybe this is too subjective a point to keep discussing but it does look similar to me: it has mountains, a ton of snow and a bunch of crazy andrastian stuff all around.

I also don't know how much I can contribute to the Hawke discussion because my Hawke is the default one (really liked his beard). However, I did hear this complaint about Mass Effect 3, on which I wasn't playing Sheploo, and was perfectly able to recreate a very similar Shepard to the one I had in ME1 and ME2... so I can at least be skeptical.

Sorry that doesn´t make this better? Regradless what you do you have you wait or use the "cheat" in changing your systemtime. So tell me please why is it okay to wait so long? Even the one hours ones are too long. And at the end you get mostly some boring stuff you can´t used anymore because the rewarding item is too weak.

No one plays these games for just one hour... and thy heart knows it !

I will agree however that more than ten hours is excessively long and shouldn't have been applied in that manner to the game. However, it's not as untenable a system as some people think it is because the timer still runs while you're not playing and it has actual consequences on the gameplay. If you follow up one of those questlines (to find a weakness in Samson's armor) then you can actually tear a new one on him, and that's just one example.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 10, 2020, 04:57:28 pm
Wilhelm no... just no. I love Inon Zur and DA2 but I went into a goddamn coma with that piece.

Fylimar, Talyn82... which do you guys think is the best battle theme ? I think it's Battle for Haven but Wilhelm thinks it's Qunari on the Rise. Cast thy votes.



I'm not the best judge, since I don't like the very dramatic music much, I like the quieter tunes. I think, the DAI one is a bit nicer imo. But there is nothing, in none of the DA games, as beautiful and beautiful sung as the tavern songs. I'm so in love with those songs, especially Sera was never, Enchanter, Once we were.
And yes, I know, Leliana did sing in DAO too, but I really don't like the voice of that singer and I hated, that they made it an orchestral version instead of a realistic song accompanied by only a lute as would have been realistic on a campfire.



As for Hawke: I managed to recreate my back then canonically Hawke really well. Generally I liek the character creator in DAI a lot, onle lightning cout be better.

Want to show some characters from the different games?

Here is my canon inquisitor, Riya Lavellan, cheeky mage, romanced Iron Bull.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 10, 2020, 05:29:06 pm
Wilhelm no... just no. I love Inon Zur and DA2 but I went into a goddamn coma with that piece.
This isn´t even the best battle theme for DAI.
I would argue that the DAI DLC ones are much better.






Maybe this is too subjective a point to keep discussing but it does look similar to me: it has mountains, a ton of snow and a bunch of crazy andrastian stuff all around.
This is really basic. ;)
But was irrelevant because Bioware was able to recreate one area from a previous game faithfully. I am speaking of the Black Emporium.
Yes it was much much smaller than Haven or Redcliff but the characteristics are there.
Why wasn´t this also possible for Haven and Redcliffe?

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I also don't know how much I can contribute to the Hawke discussion because my Hawke is the default one (really liked his beard). However, I did hear this complaint about Mass Effect 3, on which I wasn't playing Sheploo, and was perfectly able to recreate a very similar Shepard to the one I had in ME1 and ME2... so I can at least be skeptical.
Mass Effect was never a problem for me but i wasn´t able to recreate my Hawke because DAI has lost some of this face, hair and other head options which
were in DAO and DA 2 editior.

No one plays these games for just one hour... and thy heart knows it !
Does this really matter? If you really want for example do Cassandras or Coles personal quest you have to wait 1 hour.
Unlike previous Bioware games where you do this stuff right now then the companion quest is start by the companion in a dialogue.
It was a bad system and the next Bioware game  Andromeda drop this.


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If you follow up one of those questlines (to find a weakness in Samson's armor) then you can actually tear a new one on him, and that's just one example.
I prefer the Calpernia quest because it was a much better pace.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 06:10:08 pm
Much better Wilhelm. Those are some decent tracks right there.

But was irrelevant because Bioware was able to recreate one area from a previous game faithfully. I am speaking of the Black Emporium. Yes it was much much smaller than Haven or Redcliff but the characteristics are there. Why wasn´t this also possible for Haven and Redcliffe?

I think their choice was based on the possibilities of the Frostbite engine. They clearly knew they could do much more with it and so chose to do so because it obviously looked far better than the original version. And why not ? If it serves the story and the experience, then I don't see any problem. Specially because you can actually justify that it's not the exact same part of the original town but somewhere around it. Pretty simple issue to me.

Mass Effect was never a problem for me but i wasn´t able to recreate my Hawke because DAI has lost some of this face, hair and other head options which were in DAO and DA 2 editior.

Well I don't think it's that ludicrous to ask Bioware to be more careful with these issues in DA4 but I wouldn't say it's the game breaking part of DAI to me. I can certainly understand where you come from regarding this issue.

Does this really matter? If you really want for example do Cassandras or Coles personal quest you have to wait 1 hour. Unlike previous Bioware games where you do this stuff right now then the companion quest is start by the companion in a dialogue. It was a bad system and the next Bioware game Andromeda drop this.

A fair criticism but again... I don't find that the system is perfect either. I would deffinitely keep it because it allows for incredible role-playing possibilities. I've played two DA:I runs with an elf and I still couldn't save my clan from being destroyed. These are missions that are so simple and so easy to do that you can actually fail them and get important consequences from them. This is what RPG is all about.

I prefer the Calpernia quest because it was a much better pace.

But no one can ever see that... because no one likes templars.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 10, 2020, 10:06:43 pm
@ Highwayman667:  I can't recall any of the battle music. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 10:16:08 pm
@ Highwayman667:  I can't recall any of the battle music.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 12, 2020, 04:01:44 pm
What's your favorite BW protagonist? You can go into detail, if you prefer a race, class, gender etc.
My favorite has to be female Hawke, preferably sarcastic and either rogue or mage (I don't like playing warriors)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 12, 2020, 05:41:14 pm
What's your favorite BW protagonist? You can go into detail, if you prefer a race, class, gender etc. My favorite has to be female Hawke, preferably sarcastic and either rogue or mage (I don't like playing warriors)

Oh Hawke. Such an underrated gem.

I like the male one myself, his glorious beard in the standard appearence is quite something;

(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/camo/48e0b5d0a4a9d178142dbf0632742dbab4be3e12/687474703a2f2f7374617469632e6769616e74626f6d622e636f6d2f75706c6f6164732f6f726967696e616c2f302f363237392f313833383431332d6861776b652e6a7067)

Aside from that, it's a great story of exile that rarely gets told in videogames. Hawke also has probably the best friend ever in Bioware games: Varric.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 12, 2020, 09:49:31 pm
Oh yes, Varric. The best companion character ever made. Tbh, I wish, he could have been a romance option.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 12, 2020, 10:55:24 pm
As for my favorite Bioware protagonist, it's deffinitely Commander Shepard:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/1/14/Shepard610.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121124092909&path-prefix=protagonist)

I think that what I love about Commander Shepard, is that it's one of the very few characters in videogames (certainly in CRPG's) that have transitioned throughout three full games with quite the baggage on his/her back, all while developing an incredibly engaging and vast relationship with the galaxy, it's very different factions and the characters that are present within the universe of Mass Effect. I particularly like, at least in regards to player-created characters, that Shepard's opinions, decisions and actions weigh heavily upon him/her throughout all titles; this matter is specially true in Mass Effect 3 where the burdens become fascinantingly psychological in nature as well.

Also, the romances are unquestionably the best in videogaming history... and maker forgive me... my Shepard was a dog. I was with Liara in the first one, Miranda in the second one and Ashley in the third one.

Also, another bunch of Bioware protagonists that never get their due credit are these beautiful trio of maniacs:

(https://thegeek.hu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/12/ps4pro-MDK-2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 13, 2020, 06:28:11 am
In Mass Effect, I liked the scene, where Mordin sings Gilbert and Sullivan, that was hilarious.

Another favorite character of mine is female Revan, light side.
Oh and my female castless dwarf girl in DAO. She was kind of the outsider in surface society, but that was how she liked it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 13, 2020, 01:49:08 pm
In Mass Effect, I liked the scene, where Mordin sings Gilbert and Sullivan, that was hilarious.

Let us celebrate him:



Oh and my female castless dwarf girl in DAO. She was kind of the outsider in surface society, but that was how she liked it.

I do wonder... is it worse to be a city elf or a casteless dwarf in Ferelden ? I might go with the former.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 13, 2020, 07:30:20 pm
In Mass Effect, I liked the scene, where Mordin sings Gilbert and Sullivan, that was hilarious.

Let us celebrate him:



Oh and my female castless dwarf girl in DAO. She was kind of the outsider in surface society, but that was how she liked it.

I do wonder... is it worse to be a city elf or a casteless dwarf in Ferelden ? I might go with the former.

Yay for Mordins musical qualities.

It's harder to be a city elf for sure - or an elf in general. Nobody outside Orzammar has any problems with your castless dwarf. And in Orzammar I usually side with Bhelen, he might be an asshole, but at least he is open minded. He has no problem whatsoever with a castless (he even wants to marry your sister). Castless dwarf is nice to play to see another side of Bhelen.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 13, 2020, 10:15:29 pm
It's harder to be a city elf for sure - or an elf in general. Nobody outside Orzammar has any problems with your castless dwarf. And in Orzammar I usually side with Bhelen, he might be an asshole, but at least he is open minded. He has no problem whatsoever with a castless (he even wants to marry your sister). Castless dwarf is nice to play to see another side of Bhelen.

Ah yes ! And here begins our first discussion !

I never pick Bhelen. I think it's a popular choice because players see the slides and make a retroactive decision in subsequent playthroughs to support him. However, I don't think you ever see any evidence of him being progressive at all. Even some of his slide results are rather questionable, I can't find someone to be a fair and just ruler when he decides to abolish the legislative wing of the government (the deshyr assembly).

I mean sure, you can argue your casteless sister knows him deeply but anyone can love someone's character and personality while also dissagreeing with their political beliefs. Personally, I'd rather judge Bhelen by the city guard he murders when you first enter Orzammar.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 06:28:57 am
Oh yes, it is actually mentioned in the end sliders, that Bhelen allows castless dwarfs in society. Many of them join the Dead Legion and help keeping the returning darkspawn at bay. He basically throw away the cast system, which is a good imo. And he reaches out to the surface world and strengthens trade between Orzammar and the surface.
Harrow Mond on the other hand keeps the cast status quo and traditions and has a much darker ending. The darkspawn is threatening Orzammar.

Bhelen isn't a nice guy by far, but he 8s more effective and better for the future of the dwarves.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 01:57:51 pm
Oh yes, it is actually mentioned in the end sliders, that Bhelen allows castless dwarfs in society. Many of them join the Dead Legion and help keeping the returning darkspawn at bay. He basically throw away the cast system, which is a good imo. And he reaches out to the surface world and strengthens trade between Orzammar and the surface. Harrow Mond on the other hand keeps the cast status quo and traditions and has a much darker ending. The darkspawn is threatening Orzammar.

Bhelen isn't a nice guy by far, but he 8s more effective and better for the future of the dwarves.

Isn't that weird though ?

Grey Warden: We will support Bhelen.

Morrigan: And why should we do that ? *insert sarcasm*

Grey Warden: Because the end sliders are prettier.

Morrigan: Wat.

To clarify as well: he allows the casteless into the military, not into every area of society. That's another hurdle that someone someday (in a Bhelen rules Orzammar future) might have to struggle with at some point. He also names himself "supreme leader" and does away with the deshyrs.

Nothing substantially bad happens in Harrowmont's ending. In the end the deshyrs decide to do away with him because dwarven society is pushing towards it's own freedom in terms of its' people (the casteless) and its' own desire to expand itself economically.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 05:47:45 pm
It is heavily applied (and I think one of the books get more specific) that Orzammar will loose more ground to the darkspawn, if Harrowmont is king. Bhelen might not give equal rights to the castless, but they get more, than they had before.
As I said, he is not nice and in fact a despot, but I think, he is the lesser evil... and yes, I can see Geralt of Rivia cringe right now, because he is right:evil is evil. But to me Bhelen came across as more open minded even during the wardens time in Orzammar. I think, the dwarves desperately need a bit of open mindedness, especially with the constant darkspawn threat.

The biggest problem with Harrowmont is, that he wants to please the nobility and drives Orzammar into isolation with restrictions and upholding traditions, which will get Orzammar into trouble, so I find his end slider not really assuring. If you are of dwarven origin, you can request, that the king or queen of Ferelden sends an army to Orzammar to help fighting the darkspawn - and if Bhelen is king, they will stand before sealed doors. He effectivly cut Orzammar from the surface.

I found some things, he said to the warden troubeling - he sounded a bit like Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter - about upholding traditions, Orzammar has to stand on its own and such things. RIght after the fighter from teh legion of the dead did tell you, that they desperately need more people.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 05:55:22 pm
It is heavily applied (and I think one of the books get more specific) that Orzammar will loose more ground to the darkspawn, if Harrowmont is king. Bhelen might not give equal rights to the castless, but they get more, than they had before. As I said, he is not nice and in fact a despot, but I think, he is the lesser evil... and yes, I can see Geralt of Rivia cringe right now, because he is right:evil is evil. But to me Bhelen came across as more open minded even during the wardens time in Orzammar. I think, the dwarves desperately need a bit of open mindedness, especially with the constant darkspawn threat.

Very reasonable points. I don't know if I might be convinced about him unless I end up playing a run where I support him... which I actually might.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 06:19:38 pm
It is heavily applied (and I think one of the books get more specific) that Orzammar will loose more ground to the darkspawn, if Harrowmont is king. Bhelen might not give equal rights to the castless, but they get more, than they had before. As I said, he is not nice and in fact a despot, but I think, he is the lesser evil... and yes, I can see Geralt of Rivia cringe right now, because he is right:evil is evil. But to me Bhelen came across as more open minded even during the wardens time in Orzammar. I think, the dwarves desperately need a bit of open mindedness, especially with the constant darkspawn threat.

Very reasonable points. I don't know if I might be convinced about him unless I end up playing a run where I support him... which I actually might.

That is, what I like about Dragon Age - there isn't just black and white. Harrowmont is that nice elderly and polite guy and Bhelen the loud impolite troll, but in the end, Orzammar is better off, when teh warden supports Bhelen.

Another question: keep the anvil or destroy it?

I normally destroy it, the thought of how golems are made is horrifying. But I get, why people would keep the anvil. The golems made could help against the darkspawn - still I can't bring myself to side with Branka - I totally despise that character btw. When I first met Hespith, I was horrified by her story. Branka really would do anything to get what she wants.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 06:44:38 pm
That is, what I like about Dragon Age - there isn't just black and white. Harrowmont is that nice elderly and polite guy

Doesn't murder anyone in the middle of the street though xD ...

And there's just no way anyone can have the golems and claim they'd like a better future for the dwarves of Orzammar. No matter who you pick to rule its' the casteless who will absolutely be thrown into the anvil as soon as it's revealed to the king and the deshyrs... unless of course you were one of those wardens with a singular focus on destroying the darkspawn above anything else.

Now how about a real controversial one:

Do you let Loghain live ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 14, 2020, 07:58:21 pm
I let him live once and I must say, he has a great Redemption arc in DAI. But normally, I kill him. He has done so much evil. The worst was imo selling the elves to the Tevinter. That is just so horrible. And align himself with someone like Howe. And of course desert the battlefield in Ostagar because he threw a tantrum. Well, it's everything about Loghain really.

What about you?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 15, 2020, 02:37:10 am
I let him live once and I must say, he has a great Redemption arc in DAI. But normally, I kill him. He has done so much evil. The worst was imo selling the elves to the Tevinter. That is just so horrible. And align himself with someone like Howe. And of course desert the battlefield in Ostagar because he threw a tantrum. Well, it's everything about Loghain really.

What about you?

Killed him the first time but I found his character so interesting when I let him live in the next playthrough that I... sort of couldn't after that. It's kind of fucked up as well since my main DAO character is a city elf. The thing I like the most however, about letting Loghain live though, has nothing to do with him...

...but with Alistair.

It enhances the story to me with such a tragic outcome, because I really consider Alistair to be my character's best friend. However, it's understandable that Alistair could never forgive someone who let go of the person that committed such terrible crimes against the Grey Wardens, the soldiers of Ferelden and even the King.

Conscripting must've sucked royal ass in the middle ages !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 15, 2020, 06:05:33 am
When I let Loghain live, Alistair turned up as a drunk in the Hanged Man in DA2. It was heartbreaking and I don't even like his character that much.

What about Connor? Does he live in your games? Does Isolde live?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 16, 2020, 06:07:35 pm
When I let Loghain live, Alistair turned up as a drunk in the Hanged Man in DA2. It was heartbreaking and I don't even like his character that much.

Oh I love this, your playthrough is quite unpopular in "many DA circles". Who's Queen of Ferelden in your canon ? Your warden or Anora ?

What about Connor? Does he live in your games? Does Isolde live?

Indeed they both do. Though as far as I know, Isolde doesn't appear in DA:I... at least I never saw her in my playthroughs.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 16, 2020, 09:09:11 pm
Anora is queen. I don't romance Alistair, since I don't like him that much.

I think, Isolde appears somewhere, but not in DAI, it's the party in the dlc of DA2, Mark of the Assassin.

I normally let both live too, it might be a bit optimistic to think, you can travel all the way to Lake Calenhad and summon the mages, without the demon in Connor getting naughty again, but obviously, that is exactly, what happens :)
It's nice to save the kid though, so to hell with realism (plus he gets to keep his mother).

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Oscar on January 17, 2020, 09:55:03 pm
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 17, 2020, 11:55:56 pm
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.

Excuse us please, I know it's hip to hate on Bioware now *sigh*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 01:13:29 am
I got 2 questions.  How did you guys feel about poor Ser Jory in DAO, the knight Duncan kills during the ritual?  I always believed if Jory had not panicked he would have survived the ritual.  I thought the whole scene with the ritual was one of the greatest parts of Origins.

Also what background, race, and gender are your canon Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor?

For me my canon Warden was a dual wielding warrior male Cousland.  My canon Hawke is a male mage, and lastly even though I never completed it, my canon Inquisitor was a big male two handed warrior Qunari.  I still have the saves of my first and only playthrough of Inquistion thanks to Origin and it's cloud service.  So if part four looks good.  I mean I always wanted to go to Tevinter.  If the game looks and sounds good, I'll try and complete Inquisition.  But I heard EA pressured BioWare to include multiplayer and microtransactions.  Which makes me hesitant to buy.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 18, 2020, 01:40:46 am
I got 2 questions.  How did you guys feel about poor Ser Jory in DAO, the knight Duncan kills during the ritual?  I always believed if Jory had not panicked he would have survived the ritual.  I thought the whole scene with the ritual was one of the greatest parts of Origins.

An amazing scene indeed. I can understand why the Grey Wardens do what they must, considering the knowledge about the ritual would be rather damning for them. It still seems a bit harsh but at least Duncan isn't a jerk about the entire thing and is very clear about why he had to kill Jory.

My canon warden is a male city elf rogue that uses and bow and dual wields daggers. My canon Hawke is a male rogue archer and my canon inquisitor is a male elf rogue... that uses bows and arrows.

I know, I'm addicted. Forgive me.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 03:33:47 am
Lol, I am the same way with warriors and mages.  I find keeping rogues alive in the DA games hard.  In DAO both Leliana and Zevran are the first to go down.  In DA2 Isabela goes down first, and in Inquisition, Cole and Sera always go down first.   I'm just bad at leveling them up.  I never know what to pick for them.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 08:03:18 am
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.

Excuse us please, I know it's hip to hate on Bioware now *sigh*

I want to give you a like for that. Even in the Bioware forum, some people have nothing
Funny. I see the literal manifestation of young vampire generation annoying my old generation. The praise goes to deaf ears.

Excuse us please, I know it's hip to hate on Bioware now *sigh*

I really want to like your comment :)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 08:21:58 am
Ser Jory: he seemed a bit full of prejudices. When I approach him as a woman, he muses about why women are in the Grey Warden, same with an elf. He seems to be trapped in his classical vision about knighthood and I wasn't that surprised, when he panicked during the Joining, because it was not at all, what he thought. It was a powerful scene. It also helped to set the Grey Wardens up.

I have more than one Canon in each game, I play them too often and normally my current playthrough is always my favorite, but there are some all-time favorites :

DAO
-my castless dwarf Lady
-my female Amell, whom I playing right now
-Raven Tabris, a very angry bride

DA2
-Emily Hawke, rogue and Isabellamancer
-Liya Hawke, mage and very cheeky(she goes mostly for the purple answers)

DAI
There I have a clear favorite :Riya Lavellan, mage. She was such a fun character to play, nice, easygoing, funny.

What about favorite romances, do you have them? Or are they not that important to you?

My favorite in DAO is clearly Zevran, one of my favorite characters from the games. I like, how it started casual and becomes so deep in the end.
In DA2 it's Isabella. It's a bit similar to Zevran, I guess. I just love that character.
My favorite in DAI is Iron Bull. His romance is surprisingly deep. He always has something comforting to say after every mission and he is just fun to have around.
I have to make a male character some day for the Dorian romance. I normally play my own gender in role playing games if I can (only in video games, I do play male characters in our pen & paper rounds), but I like Dorian and would probably make an exception for him. Still not sure, what kind of character. Maybe a dwarf, more the Varric type...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 11:41:21 am
For romances in Origins is a tie between Morrigan and Leliana.  I really like how Morrigan changes when around the Warden.  She is still cruel, but if you romance her you see a more softer side when in private.  Morrigan is voiced by Claudia Black, who played Aeryn Sun in Farscape.  Both Aeryn and Morrigan are similar in a way.  Due to their upbringing they have a tough exterior.  But are really compassionate when you really get to know them.  I mean look how much Morrigan changed in DAI as a mother.  Leliana I like she is sweet and cute but due to her past, my Warden has to sleep with one eye open.

In DA2:  Isabela, I really like her.  The thing is her romance spans ten years.  Until she gets serious about Hawke.

DAI:  I love Cassandra.  She is the only one I romanced.  After I finish my KOTOR 2 playthrough with the restoration mod, and after I finish with VTMB, I will try and replay DAI.  I also want to romance Josephine she is so cute!

I too play as my gender (male) in rpg's, especially BioWare rpg's were characters romance you. 

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 11:57:13 am
For romances in Origins is a tie between Morrigan and Leliana.  I really like how Morrigan changes when around the Warden.  She is still cruel, but if you romance her you see a more softer side when in private.  Morrigan is voiced by Claudia Black, who played Aeryn Sun in Farscape.  Both Aeryn and Morrigan are similar in a way.  Due to their upbringing they have a tough exterior.  But are really compassionate when you really get to know them.  I mean look how much Morrigan changed in DAI as a mother.  Leliana I like she is sweet and cute but due to her past, my Warden has to sleep with one eye open.

In DA2:  Isabela, I really like her.  The thing is her romance spans ten years.  Until she gets serious about Hawke.

DAI:  I love Cassandra.  She is the only one I romanced.  After I finish my KOTOR 2 playthrough with the restoration mod, and after I finish with VTMB, I will try and replay DAI.  I also want to romance Josephine she is so cute!

I too play as my gender (male) in rpg's, especially BioWare rpg's were characters romance you.

Despite loving Claudia Black, I never really connected to Morrigan. I don't despise her as much as in the first playthroughs, but I never really liked her. I think the deal breaker for me in regards to Morrigan is, that she gives you dissapproval, when you don't allow the Tevinter to take the city elfs as slaves.

I romanced Leliana with my female Cousland, that was a nice romance too. But Zevran's still my favorite.

Cassandra is a pretty cool character in DAI. I like the conversations with her. And even though, most of my characters have different opinions from her and are normally not religious (I can't bring myself to play a religious person), she is totally ok with it. I like, that Cassandra approves and dissaproves mostly of your actions.

I must say, that I generally like the companion cast in DAI the most. I'm not a big fan of Solas, but  apart from that, I love the cast. After that comes the cast of DA2, mainly because of Varric and Isabella, two of my alltime favorites and then DAO. In DAO I mostly like Zevran, Wynne, Leliana and Sten. The rest is meh for me andf Oghren stays in the camp the whole game. I hate, that he is forced on you again in DAA. But it seems many people find him funny. I only find him sad and a bit pathetic.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 18, 2020, 02:17:03 pm
ROMANCES... THE BREAD AND BUTTER AND CRUST AND JAM AND EGGS AND ORANGE JUICE OF EVERY BIOWARE GAME !

(https://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/john-aeryn-3.jpg?resize=740%2C450&type=vertical&ssl=1)

Wait... that's not a Bioware game... nevermind.

As for Dragon Age: Origins, I really liked Morrigan's romance and how well it linked itself to the main plot. On the contrary however, I have a crisis with DA:I as I currently have no relationship whatsoever... I did not enjoy Josephine's romance and Cassandra is... a nun in armor... I don't know. My only solution might be to create a female elf and try the Blackwall romance, since he is one of my favorite characters in DA:I

You'll obviously note that I left DA:2 last... and for one damn good reason:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/5/5a/IsabelaDAII.png/revision/latest?cb=20110824041706&path-prefix=de)

Way. Too. Much. Fun.

It's not often that you get a romance option like Isabela, who disagrees with most of the traditional moral choices that any male player might make in a game like this. It demands of you, the player, to know her, understand her and be legitimately interested in her character to not only allow you to gain her affection but also to change her mindset and her values in a significant manner. Bravo Bioware.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 18, 2020, 04:02:59 pm
I only played the Isabela romance with female Hawkes, but it is fun too. There is as much emphasis on the romance factor as is on female bonding.

The Blackwall romance is great too. He was my first romance and it was nice and down to earth. He is a bit too serious for my taste though. Nevertheless great character and well written romance arc.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 18, 2020, 04:58:17 pm
@Fylimar:  Like I said Morrigan is still a cruel bitch even if you romance her.  but I like how she is in camp when talking to the player.  My favorite cast is the one from Origins, I like almost all the companions except for Ohgren.  My second favorite cast is DAI, I like all except Sera.  Solas saved my Qunari's hide many times.  Though I never completed the game I know about Solas' true identity.  Lastly my third favorite cast is from DA2, don't get me wrong I like the dynamic between Hawke and Carver, I just don't find that cast that memorable.

About Ser Jory.  I did not know he talks down to the player if they are a woman.  I never played a female character in the game, so I did not know.  As a male Cousland he is respectful.  As a male mage he is somewhat frightened of you.

@Highwayman667:  I agree about Isabela she is my favorite romance in that game.  I almost let all the negative comments about the game deter me from playing DA2.  Luckily I gave it a chance and enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 18, 2020, 09:02:49 pm
I agree about Isabela she is my favorite romance in that game.  I almost let all the negative comments about the game deter me from playing DA2.  Luckily I gave it a chance and enjoyed it.

You chose well *claps*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 09:55:12 am
@Fylimar:  Like I said Morrigan is still a cruel bitch even if you romance her.  but I like how she is in camp when talking to the player.  My favorite cast is the one from Origins, I like almost all the companions except for Ohgren.  My second favorite cast is DAI, I like all except Sera.  Solas saved my Qunari's hide many times.  Though I never completed the game I know about Solas' true identity.  Lastly my third favorite cast is from DA2, don't get me wrong I like the dynamic between Hawke and Carver, I just don't find that cast that memorable.

About Ser Jory.  I did not know he talks down to the player if they are a woman.  I never played a female character in the game, so I did not know.  As a male Cousland he is respectful.  As a male mage he is somewhat frightened of you.

@Highwayman667:  I agree about Isabela she is my favorite romance in that game.  I almost let all the negative comments about the game deter me from playing DA2.  Luckily I gave it a chance and enjoyed it.

Ser Jory comes across as a bit racist, when you talk to him as an elf or a dwarf. He seems to be a very conservative guy, who thinks, only men and humans can fight and should join the Grey Wardens. Which is strange in a world, where women can be everything they want. Elves don't have a good reputation, but from what I get, dwarves have. So he is just being a bigott here I gues. Maybe a really insecure guy, judging by his otehr dialogues.

I really would have loved for Daveth to survive and become a companion, but he seems to share some similarities with Zevran, so maybe that would have been redundant.

Apart from Varric (the best of all), Zevran, Isa and Dorian, I really like the Iron Bull. ANd I thought, I wouldn't warm up to him before playing the game - mostly because of the ridiculous name. But he is such a great character, fun to have around, but he often is the one, saying something porfound and/or comforting to the inquisitor. I must say, I really like his romance. And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

In DAO I love the quest with the Dalish and the werewolves. It's nice, that you can bring peace to both groups and I really like the storyteller of the Dalish, despite him being very antagonistic at first, if you not Dalish. But if you talk to him, he warms up and is really helpful later. I like Lanaya and Swiftrunner too.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 19, 2020, 05:17:59 pm
And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

That's an interesting decision. Are the lives of the chargers more valuable than what is probably a hundred qunari crewmen ?

If anything the outcome of saving the chargers is a lot more fun: "Oh, this deadly poison ? Don't worry Inquisitor, already took the antidote a few days ago !"

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

This quest is so fucking good.

It's a bit of a shame that none of the sidequests (PERHAPS making exceptions on the companion ones) are nowhere near this good. If DA4 has quests like that, inside a tighter, more focused game... then we'll have a new classic on our hands.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

It's kind of a shame that these type of expansion packs, or even quests in the main game, don't seem to engage a lot of the fandom. Many people want a story about the end of the world with every game but fail to realize that it become redundant over time. That's why I've been a bit skeptical about the whole deal with Solas and the Dread Wolf, it's looking like it might be yet another story with "huge stakes"... we'll see.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 05:38:51 pm
And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

That's an interesting decision. Are the lives of the chargers more valuable than what is probably a hundred qunari crewmen ?

If anything the outcome of saving the chargers is a lot more fun: "Oh, this deadly poison ? Don't worry Inquisitor, already took the antidote a few days ago !"

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

This quest is so fucking good.

It's a bit of a shame that none of the sidequests (PERHAPS making exceptions on the companion ones) are nowhere near this good. If DA4 has quests like that, inside a tighter, more focused game... then we'll have a new classic on our hands.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

It's kind of a shame that these type of expansion packs, or even quests in the main game, don't seem to engage a lot of the fandom. Many people want a story about the end of the world with every game but fail to realize that it become redundant over time. That's why I've been a bit skeptical about the whole deal with Solas and the Dread Wolf, it's looking like it might be yet another story with "huge stakes"... we'll see.

I love the 'smaller' stories usually more, than those big end of the world scenarios. I like DA2 the most, because basically, Hawke is a normallass or lad, that gets dragged into political intrigues and fights more or less against their will. Hawke is mostly a relatively normal (in terms of a game hero) person, who tries to survive.

About the Chargers: Their lifes are more important to me, because I know them. I don't know the Qunari, so basically, it's a simple egoistic decision. I always wanted to try to sacrifice the Charagers for the sake of a different story, but the one time, I did it, I felt bad and reloaded. Many player argue, that it would be in the inquisitions interest to help the Qunari and making new allies. But I like to play characters, that are not so versed with diplomacy and politics, the Dalish elf, the Carta dwarf, the human mage, who only knew the Circle before. Those types of characters would help their firends at the cost of an alliance - at least, I see it that way.

DAI has some nice side quests too, for example the one, where you help the scientist to get information about dragons or the Still Ruins or those elven ruins with the riddles. Some of the side quests are tedious though. I don't do the shards anymore. And I only solved the astrariums because of the puzzles, never finished it, I guess.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 19, 2020, 05:40:22 pm
Ser Jory comes across as a bit racist, when you talk to him as an elf or a dwarf. He seems to be a very conservative guy, who thinks, only men and humans can fight and should join the Grey Wardens. Which is strange in a world, where women can be everything they want. Elves don't have a good reputation, but from what I get, dwarves have. So he is just being a bigott here I gues. Maybe a really insecure guy, judging by his otehr dialogues.

I really would have loved for Daveth to survive and become a companion, but he seems to share some similarities with Zevran, so maybe that would have been redundant.

Apart from Varric (the best of all), Zevran, Isa and Dorian, I really like the Iron Bull. ANd I thought, I wouldn't warm up to him before playing the game - mostly because of the ridiculous name. But he is such a great character, fun to have around, but he often is the one, saying something porfound and/or comforting to the inquisitor. I must say, I really like his romance. And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

In DAO I love the quest with the Dalish and the werewolves. It's nice, that you can bring peace to both groups and I really like the storyteller of the Dalish, despite him being very antagonistic at first, if you not Dalish. But if you talk to him, he warms up and is really helpful later. I like Lanaya and Swiftrunner too.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

I did not know any of that about Ser Jory.  I've only played as a human male noble and mage.  With the male noble he is respectful, and with a male mage he is frightful.  Now I wanna try a dwarven noble.  Never played as one and I have had this game since 2009.  I also wanna try City elf.  Dalish looks like fun but I don't know how to build rogues effectively, especially archer rogues.

I also liked Daveth and though he would become a permanent party member.  But I also thought the same with Duncan who I also liked.

I agree about Varric he is great.  I felt bad for him after his brother died.  But I have a lot of favorite companions liek Dorian, Solas, Cassandra, Morrigan, Alistair, Wynne, Anders, Carver/Bethany, and much much more.  Way too many to post here.

Favorite Quests?  I agree with you about the Dalish quest.  But I also like the Human Noble and Mage Origins, as well as trying to save Connor from demonic posession.  In DA2 there was a quest where an elf who lives in elven ghetto I forgot it's name.  She tells you her son is posessed by a demon and that he went to the Dalish for help, but has not returned.  I liked that quest.  Oh I like the creepy quest where Hawke has to find his mother.  I also like the quest when we go to the Deep Roads.  It was the first time I lost Bethany.  I had to redo that whole quest and bring Anders with me to save her.  In that game I was a warrior and Bethany was a kickass mage at that point.

In DAI I like the quest in Crestwood I think the name is where you have to close a rift in the middle of the Ocean.  Once closed Crestwood changes from dark and stormy to bright and sunny.  I like the little quests when trying to romance Cassandra.  I like when in the Fade and we first meet Cole.

As for dlc for DA2.  I have a strange bug that only happens to me apparently.  I bought all dlc for DA2, and don't have access to them.  What I mean by that is it does not show up in game.  For example I never got the Marbari or met Sebastion.  It is a reallu weird and unique only to me bug.  I even contacted EA and nothing.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 06:12:58 pm
Ser Jory comes across as a bit racist, when you talk to him as an elf or a dwarf. He seems to be a very conservative guy, who thinks, only men and humans can fight and should join the Grey Wardens. Which is strange in a world, where women can be everything they want. Elves don't have a good reputation, but from what I get, dwarves have. So he is just being a bigott here I gues. Maybe a really insecure guy, judging by his otehr dialogues.

I really would have loved for Daveth to survive and become a companion, but he seems to share some similarities with Zevran, so maybe that would have been redundant.

Apart from Varric (the best of all), Zevran, Isa and Dorian, I really like the Iron Bull. ANd I thought, I wouldn't warm up to him before playing the game - mostly because of the ridiculous name. But he is such a great character, fun to have around, but he often is the one, saying something porfound and/or comforting to the inquisitor. I must say, I really like his romance. And I love the Chargers, great group. They never get sacrificed in my games.That would be like sacrificing teh crew of the Serenity - a nogo for me.

Do you have quests, you really love? I really like In Hushed Whispers, the quest, you do, if you go after the mages in Redcliffe. It has such a nice Doctor Who vibe to it and of course meeting Dorian is great. I do like Felix, Alexius son, too. Such a nice and sadly tragic character.

In DAO I love the quest with the Dalish and the werewolves. It's nice, that you can bring peace to both groups and I really like the storyteller of the Dalish, despite him being very antagonistic at first, if you not Dalish. But if you talk to him, he warms up and is really helpful later. I like Lanaya and Swiftrunner too.

In DA2, I love the Mark of the Assassin dlc. IT's a nice, light hearted adventure with fun companion banter.

I did not know any of that about Ser Jory.  I've only played as a human male noble and mage.  With the male noble he is respectful, and with a male mage he is frightful.  Now I wanna try a dwarven noble.  Never played as one and I have had this game since 2009.  I also wanna try City elf.  Dalish looks like fun but I don't know how to build rogues effectively, especially archer rogues.

I also liked Daveth and though he would become a permanent party member.  But I also thought the same with Duncan who I also liked.

I agree about Varric he is great.  I felt bad for him after his brother died.  But I have a lot of favorite companions liek Dorian, Solas, Cassandra, Morrigan, Alistair, Wynne, Anders, Carver/Bethany, and much much more.  Way too many to post here.

Favorite Quests?  I agree with you about the Dalish quest.  But I also like the Human Noble and Mage Origins, as well as trying to save Connor from demonic posession.  In DA2 there was a quest where an elf who lives in elven ghetto I forgot it's name.  She tells you her son is posessed by a demon and that he went to the Dalish for help, but has not returned.  I liked that quest.  Oh I like the creepy quest where Hawke has to find his mother.  I also like the quest when we go to the Deep Roads.  It was the first time I lost Bethany.  I had to redo that whole quest and bring Anders with me to save her.  In that game I was a warrior and Bethany was a kickass mage at that point.

In DAI I like the quest in Crestwood I think the name is where you have to close a rift in the middle of the Ocean.  Once closed Crestwood changes from dark and stormy to bright and sunny.  I like the little quests when trying to romance Cassandra.  I like when in the Fade and we first meet Cole.

As for dlc for DA2.  I have a strange bug that only happens to me apparently.  I bought all dlc for DA2, and don't have access to them.  What I mean by that is it does not show up in game.  For example I never got the Marbari or met Sebastion.  It is a reallu weird and unique only to me bug.  I even contacted EA and nothing.

I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

Crestwood is generally a great map, in fact, my favorite one in DAI. I liked every quest there and the creepiness of the whole setting. Totally forgot this.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 19, 2020, 06:23:41 pm
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 06:36:32 pm
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.

I will contact them as soon as I have my new computer. Doesn't make much sense before. But I really like the dlcs back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 19, 2020, 08:11:39 pm
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.

I will contact them as soon as I have my new computer. Doesn't make much sense before. But I really like the dlcs back.

Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Oh there's a rare bug with both the STEAM and GOG versions of DAO.  Sometimes it will not install the dlc.  To fix this just verify/repair your installation, and boom you get all dlc.

Crestwood is a great map, and indeed creepy.  Very atmospheric.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 19, 2020, 09:15:37 pm
I have the bug with DAO. I can't play the dlcs anymore. Luckily I already had played them a few times before, but it's sad, that I don't have access to Shale or teh Return to Ostagar dlc anymore.

WHAT ?!!

That is a fucking scandal... have you contacted technical support ? They fixed a similar issue I had with Origin.

I will contact them as soon as I have my new computer. Doesn't make much sense before. But I really like the dlcs back.

Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Oh there's a rare bug with both the STEAM and GOG versions of DAO.  Sometimes it will not install the dlc.  To fix this just verify/repair your installation, and boom you get all dlc.

Crestwood is a great map, and indeed creepy.  Very atmospheric.

I have the physical copy of the ultimate edition of Dragon Age and installed the dlcs like the game from the cds. DAA is still working, I'm playing it right now.

BTW: Sigrun - what a great character, I love her.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 20, 2020, 01:11:29 am
Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Best advice. Fucking Origin.

And yes fylimar. Sigrun was amazing. I actually find all the Awakening companions to be a rather excellent and almost criminally underrated cast of companions.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 21, 2020, 05:59:15 pm
Don't buy DAO from Origin.  Buy from STEAM or GOG.com.  Both come with all the dlc for a low low price.  The last time I checked it was 10 bucks on GOG.com.  I wish DA2 was sold through GOG, at least then I would know the dlc would work.

Best advice. Fucking Origin.

And yes fylimar. Sigrun was amazing. I actually find all the Awakening companions to be a rather excellent and almost criminally underrated cast of companions.

I love Sigrun, Anders and Nathaniel for sure. Justice is interesting, but I can't get over the fact, that he is basically a rotting corpse. I really don't like Oghren at all. Many fans of the series treat him as the fun character, but to me, he is just a sad alcoholic, who can't get a grip on his life. Velanna is a bit meh. Normally, I would have sent her away, but my thoughts are, that if she is in my group, at least she isn't going to kill innocent people. Since I'm playing a mage this time and have Anders in the group a lot, I won't have much need for Velanna this playthrough though.
My party mainly consists of Nathaniel, Sigrun and Anders with my mage Miya as the lead.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 21, 2020, 07:55:57 pm
I love Sigrun, Anders and Nathaniel for sure. Justice is interesting, but I can't get over the fact, that he is basically a rotting corpse. I really don't like Oghren at all. Many fans of the series treat him as the fun character, but to me, he is just a sad alcoholic, who can't get a grip on his life. Velanna is a bit meh. Normally, I would have sent her away, but my thoughts are, that if she is in my group, at least she isn't going to kill innocent people. Since I'm playing a mage this time and have Anders in the group a lot, I won't have much need for Velanna this playthrough though. My party mainly consists of Nathaniel, Sigrun and Anders with my mage Miya as the lead.

I could never call myself a contrarian if I didn't make a stand for my girl Velanna.

I don't think anyone really likes her but I find her to be a very honestly-written character. She hates humans, city elves and is rather ruthless towards anyone she determines as responsible for her woes. A lot of people in deeply oppresive circumstances react like she does. It kind of makes sense some people would find her off-putting.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 21, 2020, 08:28:03 pm
I love Sigrun, Anders and Nathaniel for sure. Justice is interesting, but I can't get over the fact, that he is basically a rotting corpse. I really don't like Oghren at all. Many fans of the series treat him as the fun character, but to me, he is just a sad alcoholic, who can't get a grip on his life. Velanna is a bit meh. Normally, I would have sent her away, but my thoughts are, that if she is in my group, at least she isn't going to kill innocent people. Since I'm playing a mage this time and have Anders in the group a lot, I won't have much need for Velanna this playthrough though. My party mainly consists of Nathaniel, Sigrun and Anders with my mage Miya as the lead.

I could never call myself a contrarian if I didn't make a stand for my girl Velanna.

I don't think anyone really likes her but I find her to be a very honestly-written character. She hates humans, city elves and is rather ruthless towards anyone she determines as responsible for her woes. A lot of people in deeply oppresive circumstances react like she does. It kind of makes sense some people would find her off-putting.

Well, she kills innocent people, so yeah, I find her very offputting.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 21, 2020, 08:39:07 pm
Well, she kills innocent people, so yeah, I find her very offputting.

What did you think of Sten ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 21, 2020, 10:53:40 pm
Also fylimar, here's my personal link to download all DLC. Maybe you can try and see if it helps:

https://help.ea.com/en-ca/help/origin/origin/download-dlc-for-classic-origin-games/#dragonage

Please do not play without Shale. Don't deny yourself the joy.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 22, 2020, 12:17:03 am
I agree.  Shale is great.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 03:46:26 am
I agree.  Shale is great.

Morrigan ? Leliana ? Can't compare to this sexy beauty !

(https://lparchive.org/Dragon-Age-Origins/Update%2038/1-image001.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 22, 2020, 09:30:29 am
Also fylimar, here's my personal link to download all DLC. Maybe you can try and see if it helps:

https://help.ea.com/en-ca/help/origin/origin/download-dlc-for-classic-origin-games/#dragonage

Please do not play without Shale. Don't deny yourself the joy.

Thank you, that is very nice of you. I love Shale, I don't agree with her birdbpolicy, but other than that, she is great.
Especially with Wynne in the group.

About Sten: Although he committed an unforgivable crime, he seemed to have been temporarily out of his mind, meaning, he seemed to have lost control of his actions for a short time. Velanna on the other hand is fully aware of what she is doing.
But you are right, Sten is a worrysome case, since he completely lost it. He didn't just throw a tantrum, he slaughtered a whole family. Makes you think, what he would do, if he is extremely unhappy or shocked again.

If you look closer at most companions, they are not save. I should stick with Dog.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 03:51:57 pm
About Sten: Although he committed an unforgivable crime, he seemed to have been temporarily out of his mind, meaning, he seemed to have lost control of his actions for a short time. Velanna on the other hand is fully aware of what she is doing. But you are right, Sten is a worrysome case, since he completely lost it. He didn't just throw a tantrum, he slaughtered a whole family. Makes you think, what he would do, if he is extremely unhappy or shocked again.

If you look closer at most companions, they are not save. I should stick with Dog.

Well... Sten CAN betray you at Haven soooooo... it s true indeed that he is a volatile element of the team. Velanna, even though willing and guilty, is also a strange case of what happens when people become seriously oppressed and discriminated in society. If you can, check out Phoolan Devi's life, she is a sort of "Indian Velanna" with a very interesting and controversial life story.

Two things (now that we're talking DA) interest me a lot for the sequel:

1) Should we have a war table ? And if we do, who should advise in it ? (as Cullen, Leliana and Josephine did).

2) Who should be an obligatory returning companion in the sequel ? (let's try to keep it interesting, just one).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 22, 2020, 05:16:47 pm
If it's just one companion, it has to be Varric for me. He is the best.
Personally I think we might see Dorian again (which would be cool too) because DA4 is to be set on Tevinter and maybe Lace Harding as the connection to the inquisition, which might play a role because of the dread wolf (I try to be careful here with spoilers about the identity, because Talyn hasn't finished DAI yet, therefore using only the nickname).

War table would be OK, if it makes sense, but without the long waiting times. As advisors I could see Dorian, maybe Charter, the Inquisition agent, and maybe someone with a military background.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 05:28:01 pm
I agree, we could probably do without the long waiting times in the war table. HOWEVER, I think Varric could actually take the spymaster advisor post in the war table. I mention this because I find it a bit silly that Varric would be close friends with every single savior in Thedas, with the exception of the Hero of Ferelden.

I think... actually, I bet... Dorian will be the returning companion. No question given how the next game is indeed in Tevinter.

However, given that the date of release might be around 2022... I wonder...

... what is actually NEXT for Bioware ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 22, 2020, 06:55:51 pm
I probably just can't live without my favorite dwarf. But spy master would be OK for me.

I don't know, what is next for Bioware. Is there even time for a game before DA4?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 22, 2020, 07:03:49 pm
I probably just can't live without my favorite dwarf. But spy master would be OK for me.

We did get one of the best quests in DA:I with Leliana so the format does stand to work pretty well if he could return as advisor.

I don't know, what is next for Bioware. Is there even time for a game before DA4?

No idea really. But I ask because there were rumors of a new Mass Effect game. An idea that I'm not in favor of.

Still, Casey Hudson is back in Bioware now so I do trust that everything, even Dragon Age, is in good hands now.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 22, 2020, 10:34:46 pm
If it's just one companion, it has to be Varric for me. He is the best.
Personally I think we might see Dorian again (which would be cool too) because DA4 is to be set on Tevinter and maybe Lace Harding as the connection to the inquisition, which might play a role because of the dread wolf (I try to be careful here with spoilers about the identity, because Talyn hasn't finished DAI yet, therefore using only the nickname).

War table would be OK, if it makes sense, but without the long waiting times. As advisors I could see Dorian, maybe Charter, the Inquisition agent, and maybe someone with a military background.

It's okay you can say who the Dread Wolf is.  His identity was spoiled for me long time ago.  When I was reading the character thread on the BioWare forums.  That character was one of my favorites in that game.

As to who I see coming back.  Like you I like Varric, but since it's Tevinter I see Dorian coming back.  I liked Dorian I have never seen a necromancer like him before.  But both him and Solas as companions, and Cassandra or Blackwall as the other made a deadly combination.  I hope Vivienne does not come back.  I did not like her.  She believed keeping mages locked away was a godd thing despite her being one herself.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 08:43:53 am
Iron Bull is a great companion and a good fighter. Just give him some feats from the Guardian tree (I guess its called that, the one with the tank skills) and he will never go down. Character wise he has become a favorite of mine, together with Varric and Dorian.
I do like all DAI characters, though I found the Solas romance boring. Plus he is a racist, just talk to him about any other race or group.
I actually like Vivienne, Indira Varma does a great job in brining her to life. She is not a nice person, she is mainly looking out for herself. But you see another side of her, when you do her quest. She is really vulnerable there and shows, that she can love someone other than herself.
 Plus personally, I find her the best looking woman in all games. I really love her look.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 23, 2020, 01:30:38 pm
Vivienne is a great character. Even if she may seem very unlikable.

I'd say she could probably come back but that might be a bit difficult regarding characters like Leliana, Cassandra and Vivienne since they all might be Divines. It's a bit clear to me that the reason why we're moving away from southern Thedas and into the northern part is precisely because we might not be ready for a game with such huge consequences to translate into yet another story. Tevinter is pretty much free from the influence of all the southern politics so that's a very easy place to set a new adventure.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 05:16:31 pm
Iron Bull is a great companion and a good fighter. Just give him some feats from the Guardian tree (I guess its called that, the one with the tank skills) and he will never go down. Character wise he has become a favorite of mine, together with Varric and Dorian.
I do like all DAI characters, though I found the Solas romance boring. Plus he is a racist, just talk to him about any other race or group.
I actually like Vivienne, Indira Varma does a great job in brining her to life. She is not a nice person, she is mainly looking out for herself. But you see another side of her, when you do her quest. She is really vulnerable there and shows, that she can love someone other than herself.
 Plus personally, I find her the best looking woman in all games. I really love her look.

I agree about everything you said about Iron Bull.  He is one of my favorites too.  As for Solas.  I never got the impression that he was racist towards other races, and I played as a Qunari.  He never talked down to me  Maybe if I play as a human things would be different?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 23, 2020, 05:38:44 pm
I agree about everything you said about Iron Bull.  He is one of my favorites too. As for Solas. I never got the impression that he was racist towards other races, and I played as a Qunari. He never talked down to me Maybe if I play as a human things would be different?

Well... he can be pretty harsh against the Dalish:

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 07:31:57 pm
And Solas had some choice things to say to my poor little Lia Cadash. And she had almost full approval with him. He said something along the line that most dwarves are too stupid to live and she was the exception. That was a dick move. She never talked to him again afterwards.

I agree with Highwayman667, that probably none of the posibble Divines will return. At least I hope, Bioware learned their lesson from the Revan disaster (hey, your character can be female, male, dark side, light side, whatever you like - oops Revan is a white male now in our Canon and slightly mad and darksidish - sorry all your female, colored and lightside Revans. Oh yes, and canonically, he banged Bastilla, sorry Carth lovers). OK, choosing a Canon world state Divine might not have that big an impact than taking away a player character and make it a really stupid nsc, but sill.

And in case you are wondering, yes, I'm still mad about Revan.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 07:33:41 pm
And Juhani lovers. I think, she is a romance option too.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 23, 2020, 07:47:18 pm
And Solas had some choice things to say to my poor little Lia Cadash. And she had almost full approval with him. He said something along the line that most dwarves are too stupid to live and she was the exception. That was a dick move. She never talked to him again afterwards.

And that guy is supposed to be the villain in DA4 ?

Booooooooooooooring !

And in case you are wondering, yes, I'm still mad about Revan.

I'm sort of on the fence on this... sort of.

It was probably not the best decision to "make a canon Revan" but putting yourself in their place, what might've been the solution ? To never speak of the character again ? I guess you could've made vague references, similar to what happens with the Hero of Ferelden... but I don't know.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 08:12:40 pm
I would have been ok with the vague references tbh. For the Exile too.

I agree, Solas is a bit boring, like the bookkeeper of the elvhen pantheon. And a bully, as my poor Lia would agree.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 08:30:18 pm
@Fylimar:  I felt the same way about the Exile from KOTOR 2.  Between Revan and the Exile, the Exile is my favorite protagonist, and in my head canon he is a smart ass cocky Jedi Guardian/Weapon Master.  But then SWTOR came out and made the Exile a white female who got killed like a chump, and became a Revan cheerleader and had been keeping him alive for centuries.  I have no problem that the Exile is a white female.  I just don't like how easily they killed her off and then turned her into a Revan cheerleader.  I also don't like how that made Revan a deadbeat who left his pregnant wife behind.  Also they made him a dumbass he left into the unknown regions by himself with no back up.  At least when Avellone was writing the story for K2, he respected the character of Revan, and instead of downplaying him, he turned Revan into a god figure.  Which is one of the things that annoyed me by the way.  Revan can do now wrong.  Everything he has done he had planned beforehand.

Anyway I am ranting.

@Highwayman667:  I would have preferred vague references than a set canon.  That's what I love about the Elder Scrolls series.  No one knows what was the fate of the Nerevarine from Morrowind.  There was only rumor and speculation.  No one even knows what race or gender the Nerevarine was.  The same thing will happen with Dragonborn.  Notice I did not mention the Champion of Cyrodiil?  Well he/she became Sheogorath Daedric Prince of Madness and appeared in Skyrim.

But yeah Highwayman667 I would have preferred vague references to both Revan and the Exile.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 08:32:45 pm
I would have been ok with the vague references tbh. For the Exile too.

I agree, Solas is a bit boring, like the bookkeeper of the elvhen pantheon. And a bully, as my poor Lia would agree.

I don't know maybe the reason why he wasn't racist with my Qunari was because Solas is small and frail, and my Qunari is big and strong, and yeah I know Solas is an elven god, but we did not know that in the beginning.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 23, 2020, 09:17:21 pm
Yes, I'm equally mad at what they did to Revan and the Exile. At least in my case, they got the gender of the Exile right, but that was it.
And my Revans normally fight Bastila in the end not marring her. The thought alone is... no. I never liked Bastila, she was Hermione without Hermiones good characteristics, so I normally didn't even get her approval high enough to prevent her going darkside.

As for Solas, I'm a bit surprised, he didn't say something to your Qunari, because I rember having a conversation with him about Qunari, that wasn't nice. And I wasn't even playing a Qunari. Maybe he is really too chicken, to confront a Qunari directly, who knows.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 23, 2020, 10:07:59 pm
Yes, I'm equally mad at what they did to Revan and the Exile. At least in my case, they got the gender of the Exile right, but that was it.
And my Revans normally fight Bastila in the end not marring her. The thought alone is... no. I never liked Bastila, she was Hermione without Hermiones good characteristics, so I normally didn't even get her approval high enough to prevent her going darkside.

As for Solas, I'm a bit surprised, he didn't say something to your Qunari, because I rember having a conversation with him about Qunari, that wasn't nice. And I wasn't even playing a Qunari. Maybe he is really too chicken, to confront a Qunari directly, who knows.

That is why I don't want BioWare to canonize my Grey Warden.  The canon never meets the fans expectations.

As for Solas.  Yeah he's a punk around my Qunari.  I played up to when Haven is destroyed and the Inquisitor and crew move to a new location.  So I spent some time with Solas in my party and he never made me want to punch him in the face.  Also isn't he and Varric friends?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 24, 2020, 06:44:14 am
His racist talk is much later in the new location, so your Qunari might still get it.
Solas and Varric aren't friends, they are just civil with each other and of course Varric is normally nice to everyone.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 24, 2020, 09:12:25 pm
Solas and Varric aren't friends, they are just civil with each other and of course Varric is normally nice to everyone.

They do seem to sound friendly to each other:

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 24, 2020, 09:39:34 pm
Yes, they are mostly friendly, but I wouldn't call them friends. I think, Solas and Varric are too different and have a different world view to ever become friends. Just look on their approach with Cole, that nearly made them go at each others throats (not literally).
Plus Solas thinks, dwarves are stupid, remember?

I like the dynamic between Varric and Cassandra - it'S something of an annoyed crush ... I don't know how else to call it.
And Sera and Blackwall get along pretty well - which of course discredit what I said above about differences, but I do think, that Seras and Blackwall are not that different. Both have seen dark things, Sera tries to deflect that with humor and sometimes anger, while Blackwall ... dealt differently with it. That is spoiler territory again and since you find out about it late in the game and it is a questline, I leave it there. People who have played DAI know, what I mean.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 24, 2020, 10:48:06 pm
Who should be an obligatory returning companion in the sequel ? (let's try to keep it interesting, just one).
No one. Let me explain i don´t think that Bioware will contiue this tradition with a previous companion because they have with their rules
no that many candidates. Just Varric and Cole. Bioware won´t bring them former romances as companion back. So no Cassandra, Dorian, Iron Bull,
Josephine, Cullen, Sera, Blackwall or Solas. Also Solas makes no sense as returning companion well for obvious reasons.
Vivienne could be Divine and isn´t that beloved.

If Dorian wasn´t a romance of course he would be the Nr. 1 pick for carryover companion. Also i think like Leliana in DAI he is more an Advisor /major NPC
than companion. But i believe that she still have a Lucerni Companion.
I am talking about the first transgender companion from Bioware. Maevaris Tilani.

So my money is on Lace Harding. No previous companion but very easy to include her as DA 4 companion in every player (decision) worldstate.
And the Bioware authors really like the Venatori leader Calpernia so she is my last one.

So my picks for returning NPCs or comic characters as companions are Harding, Maevaris and Calpernia. The other 6 six are complete new.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 12:47:08 am
If Dorian wasn´t a romance of course he would be the Nr. 1 pick for carryover companion. Also i think like Leliana in DAI he is more an Advisor /major NPC than companion. But i believe that she still have a Lucerni Companion. I am talking about the first transgender companion from Bioware. Maevaris Tilani.

I think Dorian might come back similarly to Morrigan and Leliana. Meaning non-romanceable. He'll support the "DA4 hero" in some way or the other but without the possibility of having romantic interactions. I really believe he'll come back because he is BY FAR the most beloved companion besides Varric.

Honestly though, I don't dig Varric coming back again as a companion. It would be too silly seeing him make friends with yet another Dragon Age hero. I would deffinitely take him as an advisor if the War Table returns since he could be a great spymaster.

So my money is on Lace Harding. No previous companion but very easy to include her as DA 4 companion in every player (decision) worldstate. And the Bioware authors really like the Venatori leader Calpernia so she is my last one. So my picks for returning NPCs or comic characters as companions are Harding, Maevaris and Calpernia. The other 6 six are complete new.

Yeah, Harding is deffinitely going to be in DA4 in some capacity or the other. BW fans just get over-attached to some characters.

But fuck it. I'll take her.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 07:45:01 am
I agree, Dorian will probably come back, non romanceable. Tbh not all should be about romances, some of the best characters weren't romanceable:Wynne, Shale, the DAA cast, Aveline, my bro Varric, Vivienne, Cole. So Dorian could return as advisor or companion without disregarding any existing romance with the Inquisitor or Iron Bull.

I know that it isn't likely, that Varric will return, it's just my personal wish.

I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.

And I totally forgot Maervaris. She is Varric friend, is a Magister fighting against the depravity of the Tevinter ruling class and an interesting character. She would make a great advisor.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 11:50:56 am
I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.

Oh maker... he is SO awesome.

He can die in DA2 though, right ? Still, he'd make for a great appearence in DA4.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 12:08:23 pm
I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.

Oh maker... he is SO awesome.

He can die in DA2 though, right ? Still, he'd make for a great appearence in DA4.

Can he die? I thought, you can give him back to Danarius, maybe he escapes again. I never do that, it's just too evil.
Besides, Leliana can die too, still she came back in both DA2 and DAI. Fenris is alive in the Canon universe, there are comics about his adventures after DA2 (Blue Wraith).

Although he can die in the game too, Sten could make a return. In Canon, he is promoted to Arishok (its in the comics, not in any game), so if you have to deal with the official Qunari government, you might meet him.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 12:55:20 pm
He can die in DA2 though, right ? Still, he'd make for a great appearence in DA4.

That one is sort of a strange retcon because Leliana "officially can't die". Apparently "the maker" brings her back if you choose to kill her at the temple... or some dumb crap.

Although he can die in the game too, Sten could make a return. In Canon, he is promoted to Arishok (its in the comics, not in any game), so if you have to deal with the official Qunari government, you might meet him.

Hell yes I want to meet Sten again !

This is a must, even if we just don't have a Sten in our playthroughs. Since we're in Tevinter it is also likely we'll be visiting the lands of the Qun, given how both countries are seemingly at war... even more reason for us to bring fereldan chocolate chip cookies to the latest Arishok.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 03:34:57 pm
Really? They retconned Leliana death with the Maker? That is stupid.

Speaking of the Qun: There would actually be a chance to meet Tallis again. As far as we know, she is still following the Qun.
But I agree, meeting Sten again would be great.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 03:37:24 pm
I think Dorian might come back similarly to Morrigan and Leliana. Meaning non-romanceable. He'll support the "DA4 hero" in some way or the other but without the possibility of having romantic interactions.
Well i believe that we will deal in DA 4 with different faction and Dorian is the leader of the Lucerni party which was establish in the Trespasser DLC.
He can´t join the DA 4 party but we have the similiar Maevaris instead.

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I really believe he'll come back because he is BY FAR the most beloved companion besides Varric.
The DA 4 Setting is Tevinter (and hopeful Seheron and maybe Anderfels / Weißhaupt) so of course is Dorian Back. Besides Fenris he is the most
memorable Tevinter NPC so he is absolut no-brainer.

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Honestly though, I don't dig Varric coming back again as a companion. It would be too silly seeing him make friends with yet another Dragon Age hero. I would deffinitely take him as an advisor if the War Table returns since he could be a great spymaster.
Have you played the Trespasser DLC? Varric is Vicomte of Kirkwall and has tons of work to do. So i don´t think he will back.
Also i am a big Varric fan but come on after 2 games with severall DLCs it time that other NPCs get the screentime.
So no Leliana (it is more than enough she was in everything), Cullen, Alistair,  Varric, Loghain, and maybe Morrigan & Flemeth please.
The focus should be more on NPCs who had only one apperience. So more of Shale, Sten, Nathaniel, Velenna, Fenris or Tallis for example
than the guys who were in every game. Also its a little bit to forced to bring them always back.

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Yeah, Harding is deffinitely going to be in DA4 in some capacity or the other. BW fans just get over-attached to some characters.

But fuck it. I'll take her.
You one need one of the Inquisition members in the DA 4 party and Harding is the easiest. She always lives in every world states. You can´t chance
their fate like making her Divine and yes you can flirt with her but even Bioware had admit that this wasn´t a romance. Just a flirt.
Last but not least everybody loves her. The fans and of course all in Bioware.

I forgot a companion, who could be interesting to return in a Tevinter plot (not necessarily as a companion, more likely as a nsc, who might help you at some point) :Fenris. He is currently hunting down Tevinter magisters and other dignitaries. It would not be too far fetched to run into him.
Of course Fenris is back. He is currently featured in a new comic series and he comes from Tevinter. I think we have one / two quests with him in DA 4.
If Fenris is dead well we won´t get his quest or Fenris has a replacement character. But i think that Fenris will be more than just a cameo.

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She would make a great advisor.
I disagree Maevaris should be a companion along with Calpernia.
There is no need for Maevaris as advisor if we already have Dorian as our Lucerni advisor / Faction leader / major NPC.

Edit: So conclusion every former NPC / companion who makes sense in a Tevinter setting is likely to reappear if he/she isn´t dead in most worldstates.
So no Caladrius as cameo but Tallis, Dorian or Sten/ Arishok are back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 04:26:15 pm
I don't get all that Caloernia hype. The one time, I did choose the Templar over the mages and did get Caloernia as an adversary, I found her not very memorable Tbh. I hope, we won't see her again.
We should see Flemeth again, if only to bring one open question from DAI to rest (that would be a very big spoiler for Talyn, so please keep that vague).

Wilhelm:you are contradicting yourself a bit. First you say, you don't believe, Dorian will be back, then you say, he will definitely be back. Can you clear that up?
I think, we will see both Maervaris and Dorian, although I don't know, if it makes sense for any of them to travel with the hero. I guess it comes down to what your role will be. Both have climbed the social ladder pretty high and both can't afford to be away too long, because in their absence, others will work on their political downfall. Look at what happened to Maervaris father (he wasn't away, but too lenient). So the new hero should be in a position to help their cause, to make sense for them to be there and help imo.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 04:57:28 pm
I don't get all that Caloernia hype. The one time, I did choose the Templar over the mages and did get Caloernia as an adversary, I found her not very memorable Tbh. I hope, we won't see her again.
Well she was a former beaten "villian".  "According to Patrick Weekes, Calpernia quickly became a favorite of the writers due to her intriguing story and personality". https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Calpernia

 Also have you read her short story?
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Short_Story:_Paying_the_Ferryman
I like grey characters like Calpernia. She has done something terrible wrong in joining Corypheus (i doubt she could have reject Corypheus offer as slave)
but overall she is a good character with principles who has also a noble goal she want to change Tevinter but unlike Dorian or Maevaris
her goal is the end of slavery and not the corruption. So yeah she is very interessing character. Atleast for me and others like the Bioware staff.

So Calpernia will of course be back in DA 4. The only question what is her role in the game? Just a (major) NPC or even a companion and romance option?

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We should see Flemeth again, if only to bring one open question from DAI to rest (that would be a very big spoiler for Talyn, so please keep that vague).
Well there is the rumor that her voice actress Kate Mulgrew won´t reprise her role as Flemeth because she retires from voice work and therefore asked
Flemeth author David Gaider to end Flemeth story. Also the last scene makes it very clear that Flemeth story is over.
Maybe they to more with her daughter Morrigan or her other daughter Yavanna. I doubt that Yavanna is dead.

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Wilhelm:you are contradicting yourself a bit. First you say, you don't believe, Dorian will be back, then you say, he will definitely be back.
No i clearly have said that Dorian is certain to come back as major NPC but not as returning companion and romance!!!

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I think, we will see both Maervaris and Dorian, although I don't know, if it makes sense for any of them to travel with the hero.
You can argue with same argument for Vivienne and Calpernia.  Also Maevaris is more of an outcast magister and she also lost her home town through
the Qunari Invasion. So yeah the Qunari Invasion will change that.

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I guess it comes down to what your role will be. Both have climbed the social ladder pretty high and both can't afford to be away too long, because in their absence, others will work on their political downfall. Look at what happened to Maervaris father (he wasn't away, but too lenient). So the new hero should be in a position to help their cause, to make sense for them to be there and help imo.
Both Dorian and Maevaris are too similiar you have the same role in game.
Also like i said i think its time for the first transgender companion. And this should be Maevaris and no one else because she already exists years ago
and won´t see as forced as a complete new character.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 06:37:00 pm
I like grey characters like Calpernia. She has done something terrible wrong in joining Corypheus (i doubt she could have reject Corypheus offer as slave) but overall she is a good character with principles who has also a noble goal she want to change Tevinter but unlike Dorian or Maevaris her goal is the end of slavery and not the corruption. So yeah she is very interessing character. Atleast for me and others like the Bioware staff.

So Calpernia will of course be back in DA 4. The only question what is her role in the game? Just a (major) NPC or even a companion and romance option?

Speaking seriously here though... I think the only reason why she might be back is because her character wasn't really explored by most players. Almost no one sincerely picks the templars and thus misses the chance to see her.

Also, I'd like a bit of clarification on a certain issue: Calpernia is supposedly against slavery... yet weren't the mages (the ones she commands with Corypheus to assault the Inquisition's base at Haven) indentured servants themselves ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 07:04:08 pm
Speaking seriously here though... I think the only reason why she might be back is because her character wasn't really explored by most players. Almost no one sincerely picks the templars and thus misses the chance to see her.
I think the main reason when a character returns or not has to do if the Bioware authors wants to contiune to work with this character or not.
I think it doesn´t really matter for Calpernia DA 4 if you know her or not because every DA 4 even the Addon Awakeining is treated as a new game.
If had previous knowledge this is fine but every game stand on its own.
Also one of the main themes / decision of DA 4 is what should Tevinter become or what should the reformation looks like?

We could have three options. First nothing change = Archon Radonis; Moderate change = Lucerni / Dorian & Maevaris (end of the corruption but not end
of slavery) and the radical one = Calpernia and maybe Fenris (end of slavery)

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Also, I'd like a bit of clarification on a certain issue: Calpernia is supposedly against slavery... yet weren't the mages (the ones she commands with Corypheus to assault the Inquisition's base at Haven) indentured servants themselves ?
Technically yes but they justify this that they conscripts. Also Calpernia is a proud tevinter reformer with less sympathetic towards others
who aren´t really slaves and tevinter citizens. Which makes as former slave which also believe that Tevinter restore its former glory without slavery of course.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 07:59:48 pm
We could have three options. First nothing change = Archon Radonis; Moderate change = Lucerni / Dorian & Maevaris (end of the corruption but not end of slavery) and the radical one = Calpernia and maybe Fenris (end of slavery)

Oh boy... DA4 is going to be A LOT of fun.

Technically yes but they justify this that they conscripts. Also Calpernia is a proud tevinter reformer with less sympathetic towards others who aren´t really slaves and tevinter citizens. Which makes as former slave which also believe that Tevinter restore its former glory without slavery of course.

That sounds much more clear. If she is as you describe, then I am fully on board for her.

NOW... LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THEDAS... A QUESTION FOR ALL OF YE...

Who should be the protagonist of DA4 ? So far, this is what we had in the franchise:

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None of those are mine, so we're giving high praise to someone's artistic depictions of their protagonists !

I am however, interested in speculating about how a new character might intercede in the story and what type of role would this character play in relation to said story. We know it's in Tevinter for sure, we know the protagonist could likely be Orlesian or Fereldan (please not this one, too much fucking Ferelden already) and that he/she could very well be narrated as a person from several different races in this universe. If possible, I would like to hear your pitches, ideas or speculations as to whom the main character of DA4 could be.

My idea, for example would be... A BLACKSTONE MERCENARY

Why ? Because we know those guys and their questline from DAO, thus they are familiar faces; we also know conflict is brewing in Tevinter (possibly with the Qunari) and a freelancing mercenary company fits with the historical sensibilities the franchise usually aspires to AND ALSO because it allows us to grow a faction of our own like in DAI (granted, despite the great flaws) that we can justifiably develop throughout the story and pledge to distinct causes, as we've done in DAI and even DAO/DAA arguably.

Also... I will not take anything less than a voiced protagonist. That is always a good thing.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 08:18:12 pm
That sounds much more clear. If she is as you describe, then I am fully on board for her.
Maybe (like i already mentioned) you should read her short story.
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Short_Story:_Paying_the_Ferryman

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Who should be the protagonist of DA4 ?

My idea, for example would be... A BLACKSTONE MERCENARY
Well my is not that different than yours but my idea is for protagonist is a pirat which later become an admiral.
Why pirates? The  Raiders of the Waking Sea /  Felicisima Armada are a faction which weren´t used that much in past.
Every races could work and Bioware could like DAI / DA 2 and save their ressources in one big memorable origin.
Also ship battles could make DA 4 more unique. And the new player home is your own ship.
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Waking_Sea

The lost words from Inquisitor in DAI (Trespasser) to find unlikely allies against Solas. And pirates are unlikely allies.
Last but not least Bioware wanted to do more with the Raiders in the scrapped DA 2 Adoon / DLC Exalted Marches so maybe they could
bring some elements back from this.

Your Blackstone mercerany idea is also good but i believe that Bioware has forgotten the Blackstone. Also you can change their leadership in DAO
so i doubt that they bring them back. Also they are too Ferelden.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 08:58:51 pm
Wouldn't it be cool, if you were a Red Jenny? Probably never happens, still, I like the idea. But if they go for a game DAI style with advisors and such, there is probably a bigger faction involved. I wouldn't be surprised, if they revive the inquisition and make your character an agent of the inquisition. Although I like the pirate idea. ANd the Blackstone Irregulars. They don't get enough love.


Wilhelm:
I'm sorry, but I'm not a fan of Calpernia. She will probably turn up though, but I don't have to like it. LIke I didn't like the return of Oghren or Morrigan.
And about Flemeth, I'm pretty sure, she took precautions, like she always does. But if Kate Mulgrew doesn't want to return, then Flemeth probably won't either.

I finished my playthrough with Miya Amell today. I killed the Mother and saved Amaranthine and the Keep. Now she can ride into the sunset with Zevran :)

I have a picture of her attached.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 09:26:14 pm
But if they go for a game DAI style with advisors and such, there is probably a bigger faction involved.
I hope not DA 4 should its own thing and i would prefer that skip this system for DA 4 and make a more Fallout like faction system with the NPC.

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I wouldn't be surprised, if they revive the inquisition and make your character an agent of the inquisition.
Sorry not a fan of this idea. The playercharacter should also have the option to work aganist the Inquisition and their goals. I am not saying that PC should
join Solas but the PC shouldn´t be forced to do everything what the Inquisition / Inquisitior wants.
Harding as Inquisition member should be enough for Inquisition influence.

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Wilhelm:
I'm sorry, but I'm not a fan of Calpernia. She will probably turn up though, but I don't have to like it. LIke I didn't like the return of Oghren or Morrigan.
That is totally fine. Bioware said countless times that you don´t what to like everybody in your party. The only thing that matters for me is the
character interessing rather than likeable. I hate more characters like Sebastian or Blackwall who are just bland than controversial ones like DA 2 Anders,
Fenris, Oghren, Sera or Vivienne.

Edit: I disprize Velanna and hate everything about her but i still wish that Bioware contiunes Velannas and her sisters Seranis story because it is an
interessing plot and it wasn´t finished in Awakening.

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And about Flemeth, I'm pretty sure, she took precautions, like she always does. But if Kate Mulgrew doesn't want to return, then Flemeth probably won't either.
Well your DA 2 argument is a strong one but i would argue that Bioware hadn´t design the last Flemeth scene if they decide to bring her in DA 4.
Also from the storypoint what do you want tell for Flemeth.

My major argument against a Flemeth or even Morrigan / Alistair / Zevran or a big Cassandra scene is that those characters were writen by David Gaider.
And David Gaider had left Bioware. So maybe they shouldn´t come back.
By the way i know that David Gaider also wrote Dorian but there is no way that Dorian won´t come back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 10:39:15 pm
Well, I don't want to have the inquisition back, I just meant, it is possible, that they want continue with that fraction in some way, probably depending on how much space, if any at all, Solas story has in the game. I'd rather would see my character belonging to another faction or none at all. I'm not fond of religions and belonging to a religious faction, even when you can play as an atheist, is not really cool for me.

About characters:I agree about Sebastian. He is one of the worst characters, I ever encountered, together with Anomen from Baldurs Gate 2. I do like Blackwall though, he is interesting.

I guess, if the writer and the voice actor is gone, it probably doesn't matter, how to interpret the last scene, Flemeth will probably not come back in that case, which is a shame. She is for me one of the best recurring npcs.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 25, 2020, 10:57:43 pm
Quote from: Wilhelm-Streicher
Well my is not that different than yours but my idea is for protagonist is a pirat which later become an admiral. Why pirates? The Raiders of the Waking Sea / Felicisima Armada are a faction which weren´t used that much in past. Every races could work and Bioware could like DAI / DA 2 and save their ressources in one big memorable origin. Also ship battles could make DA 4 more unique. And the new player home is your own ship. https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Waking_Sea

See... I love this idea already. It's a very unassuming faction which you can develop, the people involved can act as mercenaries, both Tevinter and Par Vollen are connected by sea, Isabela could make a return of some form, I myself love my pirate ocean folk from Pillars of Eternity. It's beautiful.

You know what sucks ? We do. The Bioware fans. I fear a pirate framing might be unlikely to sell to fans because it seems too tailored towards a specific genre and I just know some people are going to say "Why is Bioware making me be a pirate ?!! I hate that !! I don't want it ! *keyboard smashing*"

I wouldn't care one bit though. The idea is great and I hope Bioware would go with something that has already worked in other games like Pillars of Eternity, Risen and even the Assassin's Creed series.

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Well, I don't want to have the inquisition back, I just meant, it is possible, that they want continue with that fraction in some way, probably depending on how much space, if any at all, Solas story has in the game. I'd rather would see my character belonging to another faction or none at all.

I don't think the inquisition is coming back in any shape or form... but I do believe the games COULD make a natural progression towards creating and developing your own factions because it expands the gameplay rather well, and while I liked many aspects about the inquisition in the last game, there are obviously a lot of problems we could've done without.

For me though, the faction could be a mercenary band, like the Blackstones. For Wilhelm it's a pirate crew. Maybe you'd argue for another approach fylimar ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 25, 2020, 11:14:25 pm
Well, I don't want to have the inquisition back, I just meant, it is possible, that they want continue with that fraction in some way, probably depending on how much space, if any at all, Solas story has in the game.
After Trespasser there is no doubt that the Inquisition is a major faction in DA 4. But only one of many.

My guess for the DA 4 factions are the Hero Faction,  Inquisition, Solas elves, Archon Radonis & Tevinter Traditionalists / Lucerni (moderate reformer) / Fog Warriors (Seheron freedom fighters who hate Tevinter and the Qunari) / Antaam (Qunari military with Sten as new Arishok as leader) /
Ben Hassrath & Tamassrans (the leader is the Ariqun) and maybe the Weißhaupt Grey Warden.

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I do like Blackwall though, he is interesting.
Sorry besides the twist (which wasn´t a twist for me when he said the stuff about the archdemon well i knew it.) he is the same bland character
as Sebastian. Even Varric acknowledged this in his banter with him. I rather have Cullen as full companion than Blackwall.

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I guess, if the writer and the voice actor is gone, it probably doesn't matter, how to interpret the last scene, Flemeth will probably not come back in that case, which is a shame. She is for me one of the best recurring npcs.
Its for the best. They clearly want to focus more the series / DA 4 on Solas than Flemeth.

You know what sucks ? We do. The Bioware fans. I fear a pirate framing might be unlikely to sell to fans because it seems too tailored towards a specific genre and I just know some people are going to say "Why is Bioware making me be a pirate ?!! I hate that !! I don't want it ! *keyboard smashing*"
I disagree after Anthem and Andromeda (which wasn´t that bad) most players wouldn´t dislike this.
No they are happy because DA 4 is hopeful a good / great RPG.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 25, 2020, 11:51:43 pm
Highwayman: I already said, that I liked the idea of pirates or a mercenary group, you must have overlooked that post (it's the one, where I attached the picture of my character). I also said that I want to play a Red Jenny one day.
And I don't think, the fans would be mad about playing pirates. They might not be as chilled as the Bloodlines fans, but still, I think, it could work.
I had no problem to not belong to a faction though. The reason, Hawke is my favorite character, is that she basically works alone, well, with her friends. In DAO, your shoved into the Grey Wardens, in DAI into the inquisition. I didn't like that. If I have to be in a group, I prefer something more rogueish.

Wilhelm: I think, we just have to disagree about Blackwall. And with Cullen I have still the beef, that he was a Meredith supporter for a long time before finally seeing her evil. And his mages are not like us speech.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 26, 2020, 12:02:14 am
And with Cullen I have still the beef, that he was a Meredith supporter for a long time before finally seeing her evil. And his mages are not like us speech.
After DAO / Uldred Events every templar which was tortured like Cullen would become harsh person.
The most exciting part of Cullen is that he saw both extremes the Mages with Uldred and the Templars with Meredith.
After this experience he is one of the most interessing characters in the series and would make one great templar companion.

Yeah he was a Meredith supporter but its not like that Meredith was completly wrong. Meredith was crazy without any doubt but many mages especially
Orsino aren´t saints either.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 26, 2020, 03:50:05 am
Oh damn I forgot about Meredith she had a horrific death.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 26, 2020, 09:32:30 am
Ah Meredith. Don't get me started on that nutjob.

I mean, Kirkwall has a lot of really sick people, thanks to thinned veil and Cory slumbering beneath - for more info do the Enigma of Kirkwall quest line, you find the research of some scientists called The Band of Three about how the atrocities of the Tevinter weakened the veil in and around Kirkwall and affect the people. There are more serial killer in Kirkwall than there should be and more violence in general. Not the best place to set up a circle of Mahi, because, the mages are more attuned to the Fade and will be affected more. Sadly, Hawke can't call out the Viscount or Meredith on that. Not that thy would have listened to that.
But Meredith should never have been made knight commander, with the story of her sister. You have two people in charge if the Kirkwall circle, that are hostile towards mages, Meredith and Cullen. Both should not have been in their position. I mean, as a knight commander or knight captain, you have to take responsibility for your charges, but both were too traumatized and biased to do that (even without red lyrium).
I'm not saying, the mages are completely innocent, we have Grace and Quentin - and of course Anders, who blew up the church and killed a lot of innocent people, but Meredith is not fit to deal with that. Look, at what she did, when Anders confessed, she ignored him and called for the circle to be destroyed.
I guess, what I want to say with that is, that Kirkwall is in a bad shape and violence is more prone to errupt here than in other cities due to the thinned veil, but the Hardliner Meredith didn't really help in that situation. Neither did her second in command.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 26, 2020, 10:53:22 am
Ah Meredith. Don't get me started on that nutjob.

I mean, Kirkwall has a lot of really sick people, thanks to thinned veil and Cory slumbering beneath - for more info do the Enigma of Kirkwall quest line, you find the research of some scientists called The Band of Three about how the atrocities of the Tevinter weakened the veil in and around Kirkwall and affect the people. There are more serial killer in Kirkwall than there should be and more violence in general. Not the best place to set up a circle of Mahi, because, the mages are more attuned to the Fade and will be affected more. Sadly, Hawke can't call out the Viscount or Meredith on that. Not that thy would have listened to that.
But Meredith should never have been made knight commander, with the story of her sister. You have two people in charge if the Kirkwall circle, that are hostile towards mages, Meredith and Cullen. Both should not have been in their position. I mean, as a knight commander or knight captain, you have to take responsibility for your charges, but both were too traumatized and biased to do that (even without red lyrium).
I'm not saying, the mages are completely innocent, we have Grace and Quentin - and of course Anders, who blew up the church and killed a lot of innocent people, but Meredith is not fit to deal with that. Look, at what she did, when Anders confessed, she ignored him and called for the circle to be destroyed.
I guess, what I want to say with that is, that Kirkwall is in a bad shape and violence is more prone to errupt here than in other cities due to the thinned veil, but the Hardliner Meredith didn't really help in that situation. Neither did her second in command.

That explains all the blood mages and thugs in Kirkwall.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 26, 2020, 01:36:38 pm
Yes, that is indeed the reason. And the many serial killer. I really like the Enigma of Kirkwall mystery, it gives much insight into the state of the city.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 26, 2020, 04:52:12 pm
I never liked the Templars VS Mages deal and I'm very glad it's over.

I think Bioware intended for it to be more of a controversy, what with the templars supposedly being protectors against "the dangers of magic" and the mages being eternally attempting to attain more power but... I don't think anybody perceived it that way because our modern sensbilities are very different than those of medieval times. So I never really supported the templars because they just never made any goddamn sense. What would you expect from locking up human beings in towers for the entirety of their lives ?

I would deffinitely like to see something else... Blood Magic

I think this is a controversy that actually works. Is it a weapon ? A tool ? Is it inherently dangerous ? Or does it depend on the wielder ? Are "demons" the only ones who hold knowledge of it ? Would mages practice it more often without the Chantry ? Why does the Chantry suck so much ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 26, 2020, 05:36:27 pm
I think, blood magic is not evil per se. The problem is, that people practicing blood magic often do it to get more power and more fuel for their spells. ANd they often realises, that they need more - either other peoples blood or demons or both. That's when blood magic becomes problematic. Merrill is a good example: she didn't get far with her 'normal' magic in unlocking the Eluvhian, so she resorted to blood magic. The problem is, she asked a demon for help and it is clear throughout the whole game, that she never realises the danger it poses. She is a bit like an addict, saying, she has it under control. Maybe nothing would have happened, had Marethari not taken things into her hands, but we will never know.
Merrill is a relatively harmless example, since she is a good person by default (naive, but aiming for doing the good thing). Not all mages are like that - look at Grace or her lover Demetrius (I think, that was his name). Or Tahrone. They use people as fuel for their spells without a second thought and are basically ruthless. Not to mention Danarius and most of the other Tevinter magisters.
The same problem you will have with weak minded people like Quentin: the sadness over his wifes death drove him into insanity and he started experimenting with blood magic and necromancy. First it was fresh corpses, then he made the corpses himself. One can argue, that any kind of magic is dangerous with such people, the evil and the weak ones, but I do think, blood magic is a bit more dangerous.

So basically, if you slit your own wrist and use your own blood - fire away. But it gets problematic, when you involve other people and demon worshipping.
I guess in that way, Jowan is a responsible user of blood magic: he only uses his own blood and to my knowledge didn't enlist a demon - and he even tried to keep the templars alive, when attacking them. Merrill uses demons help, which is not cool, but at least, she uses only her own blood.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 26, 2020, 06:06:15 pm
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Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 27, 2020, 06:01:39 pm
I gave my opinion about blood magic, what about you?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 27, 2020, 06:27:34 pm
For the most it seems to me like Blood Magic just needs to be regulated.

The problem is that in Chantry times, that is never going to happen because Blood Magic has historical meaning. It was the weapon Tevinter Magisters used to subdue the entire continent. It seems pretty logical than non-mages would see it as something horrible and impossible to understand, even worse when those people become "brothers", "sisters" and "chanters", because then they can make laws that affect not just blood magic... but the entirety of magic.

One great thing about DAI, depending on which ending one takes, is that The Chantry may completely lose it's hold over magic with the creation of the College of Enchanters. I think it will be up to them to decide how should Blood Magic be treated in the future.

We might get an answer to that in at least 10 years though... considering all of that is being left behind so we may take a tour on Tevinter.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 29, 2020, 03:01:06 pm
Yeah, it would be interesting to see, how the College of Enchanters deal with blood magic. My problem with it is, that people tend to loose perspective and go all serial killer or demon worshipper for more power. Even Merrill, whom everyone loves, deals with a demon.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on January 30, 2020, 07:10:29 am
Yeah, it would be interesting to see, how the College of Enchanters deal with blood magic. My problem with it is, that people tend to loose perspective and go all serial killer or demon worshipper for more power. Even Merrill, whom everyone loves, deals with a demon.

It's the promise of more power why mages deal with demons.  Or in Avernus case in DAO the power to bend demons to his will.  As we seen with Avernus demons are difficult to control and usually possess the mage that summoned it.  The reason why the demons did not possess him was because he quickly conjured wards, and most likely he had a strong will.

In saying that as long as blood magic is practiced in a controlled area, and the mage resists the temptation to consort with demons.  Then blood magic should be as okay as the other forms of magic.  Merrill was sweet, cute, and naive.  She is lucky she was not possessed by the demon.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on January 30, 2020, 02:14:24 pm
Merrill is a difficult topic for me. She acts so stupid, I want to slap her most of the time. In most playthroughs nowadays, I don't give her the arunin'holm anymore. I don't think, she is very responsible with her blood magic (demon deal) and she is not taking care of herself at all. And above all that, she disapproves, when you try to stop Tharones evil tomes from falling into the wrong hands or if you say anything against demon deals. I know, that Merrill is basically innocent, but I really can't cope with her ignorance and naievity. And with Anders becoming a terrorist over watched by a spirit, who probably is on his way to become a demon, I'd rather play mages myself and leave my mage companions at home Tbh.
I do like Merrills voice actor, Eve Myles though. She was great in Doctor Who and Torchwood and I love her accent.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 01, 2020, 01:37:52 am
Merrill is a difficult topic for me. She acts so stupid, I want to slap her most of the time. In most playthroughs nowadays, I don't give her the arunin'holm anymore. I don't think, she is very responsible with her blood magic (demon deal) and she is not taking care of herself at all. And above all that, she disapproves, when you try to stop Tharones evil tomes from falling into the wrong hands or if you say anything against demon deals. I know, that Merrill is basically innocent, but I really can't cope with her ignorance and naievity. And with Anders becoming a terrorist over watched by a spirit, who probably is on his way to become a demon, I'd rather play mages myself and leave my mage companions at home Tbh.
I do like Merrills voice actor, Eve Myles though. She was great in Doctor Who and Torchwood and I love her accent.

See I had forgotten all that about Merrill I've only played DA2 twice and that 2-3 years ago.  So I don't remember much.  I just remember liking her accent and thinking she was cute in an innocent looking way.  As for Anders I liked him until he blew up the Chantry.  What I never understood was how did Justice come to possess him, when in Awakening Justice is possessing a corpse?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 01, 2020, 02:47:04 am
See I had forgotten all that about Merrill I've only played DA2 twice and that 2-3 years ago.  So I don't remember much.  I just remember liking her accent and thinking she was cute in an innocent looking way.  As for Anders I liked him until he blew up the Chantry.  What I never understood was how did Justice come to possess him, when in Awakening Justice is possessing a corpse?

I thought it was implied that in time Justice's initial corpse ended decaying, at which point he decided to be a "guest" in Anders' willing body...

... all of that sounds so dirty.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 07:18:39 am
Although the end sliders of Awakening are a mess in that regard: Justice basically killed himself and Anders was a long way away, having left the wardens and escaping yet another group of templars.
But there is a short story, that is considered Canon (I think by David Haider) and Anders mentioned it in the game, that he and Justice were together on a gw mission, when they were attacked by templars and afterwards, Justice suggested the merge. It is a while, since I've read that story, so I might have missed something, but fact is, that according to DAA, Anders was no longer with the wardens and Justice killed himself and according to the story and DA2 they were on a mission for the wardens together.
Fun fact:Originally Velanna was to be Justices host. They changed that to Anders, who fits better in the Kirkwall story.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 01, 2020, 01:22:16 pm
The best thing you can do about Anders & Justice is not to think much about it. Its a huge mess. Even if you ignore the Awakening epilogue the whole thing won´t work because
in Awakening you can for example send Anders and Justice away so Anders won´t become a grey warden.
Also Bioware toyed with idea who should be Justice host. An idea who was already established in the Awakening banter.
 First host candidate was Velanna but she was dropped quickly because she was even for the Bioware authors that unlikeable and she has to much stuff to deal.
She had been basically Anders / Justice & Merrill. So a character who talks about church, possession, grey warden and Dalish stuff. This was too much.

Second host idea was Nathaniel. And this combination was also scrapped but any things survived in Sebastian Vael who was at the end just a boring version of Nathaniel Howe.
I believe the main reason for that was they don´t what to tell with a possessed Nathaniel and unlike Leliana (i know yes i know) they decided not to retcon his execution.

So Anders became the host of Justice. And this shows again that Bioware hadn´t through the whole series any story roadmap. Also that DA 2 has a very short development.
They play with ideas and therefore we had Anders / Justice in DA 2.

By the way i believe Anders could work  much better in DA 2 even with whole chantry blowing stuff if Anders won´t have merged with Justice. Also in my opinion it would be much more interessing.

Edit: Here is the link for Anders shortstory
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Anders_(short_story)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 02:50:34 pm
Thanks, WIlhelm, I had lost the link.

I don't know about Velanna, but I didn't found her less likeable than Morrigan - which - granted - doesn't say much in my case, since I really don't like Morrigan. But with Velanna I had merely a meh feeling, nothing too bothering apart from the fact, that she was murdering innocent people when we met her (ok, I see the point, although Morrigan wants to sell elves into slavery, which isn't that much better).
I really whish, they had kept Nathaniel instead of Sebastian. Sebastian really has no redeeming quality imo and I don't bother recruiting him anymore. I would have been ok, if apart from Anders/Justice another companion (who is not Oghren) from DAA had made it to DA2. You could have encountered Sigrun in the Deep Roads for example, since it was heavily assumed, when she vanished, that she would return to her LotD duty.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 01, 2020, 04:01:38 pm
Well i really despise Velanna. Morrigan on the other hand is through the journey of course difficult because of Flemeths unusual parenting but all my wardens consider her as a friend.
So yeah i like Morrigan.

And to Nathaniel & Sigrun of course i like them but why should they come back as full companion? What is their justification for the overall story in DA 2?
Sorry but they don´t fit in DA 2 besides as a cameo like Nathaniel. Also who could you possible explain Nathaniel´s survivial when he has executed? Many players already hated Lelianas survivial.

But i agree with you that the DA 2 DLC Companion should be someone else. Maybe Hawkes cousin Charade or someone like Samson.
Or Bioware should have stay with the third mage companion. I am talking about the Saarebas Ketojan who was cut for several reasons.

Last but not least Oghren. I know that many people were extremely disappointed that only Oghren from all the companions had returned in Awakening.
I am of course one of them but it makes sense that Oghren was back. He couldn´t die in DAO and was no romance. Also for the overall story in rebuilding the Wardens he fits the best besides Alistair / Loghain but unfortunately both of them could die.
But the main reason for Bioware bringing Oghren back was that in most playthroughs he was last recruited companion.
The average path after Lothering is Redcliffe, Circle Tower, Dalish and then Orzammar. So unlike the rest Oghren didn´t have much screentime also in my opinion he was redundant because  the party already has with Sten a Two Hand Warrior.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 04:20:52 pm
Yeah, I forgot, that you can execute Nathaniel, but still, he would have made a so much more entertaining companion than Sebastian. DA2 could have indeed used another mage companion, seeing as both Merrill and Anders are somewhat fishy choices (one being a bloodmage with demon dealing, the other basically an abomination) and imo not suitable for every playthrough. I would have liked Sol as a companion - maybe after doing his first quest. He would be a sane mage without complications. Of course with Meredith policy, that would not have been very likely. No way Meredith would have let one of the mages from the circle wander of on adventures.
I don't think that Ketojan would have been a good choice. They had to adress the issue, that he is outside his Kataam and therefore has to die according to Qunari law. At the very least, the Qunaris should become hostile, if you try to enter their compound with Ketojan in the group.
I would really have loved to have Charade as a companion too. I really liked her.

My normal order of doing DAO is generally Circle, because I want to have a decent mage and as I said, I really don't like Morrigan, then Orzammar, because I like that quest the least and want it out of the way, then Brecilian Forrest and then Redcliffe. I want to have Wynne and Zevran as soon as possible (I have the Zevran ASAP mod installed, so that you can recruit him right after you leave your camp for the first time), they are the core of my team most of the time.
Funnily enough, that was the order of doing the quests right from the beginning. Once or twice I did Redcliffe before Brecilian Forrest, but that's it. Circle is always first and Orzammar second.
I struggeled a bit with doing Orzammar so soon in my very first playthrough, but tbh, the hardest part was getting past the mercenary group before you can enter Orzammar. The rest was just a lot of grinding through the Deep Roads - until the Broodmother, that was one hell of a fight and so very well built up by Hespith's poem.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 01, 2020, 05:55:22 pm
Yeah, I forgot, that you can execute Nathaniel, but still, he would have made a so much more entertaining companion than Sebastian.
I get it that you like him you besides been a Grey Warden what had been Nathaniel overall story ark in DA 2?
Sorry but Bioware clearly wanted to contuine with Nathaniel but they recognized at the end there isn´t that much more to tell than a cameo as grey warden.
 
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I would have liked Sol as a companion
Who? Do you mean Solivitus? He was just a  potion merch and questgiver. Nothing more and nothing less. I don´t see here any appeal for him as companion.
Also i don´t know if he is really a mage.

Believe it or not but i would mind if we had a Emile de Launce (maybe with a better haircut) in the party.
Or as Anders replacement in the canceled Exalted Marches expansion.

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I don't think that Ketojan would have been a good choice. They had to adress the issue, that he is outside his Kataam and therefore has to die according to Qunari law.
You assume that Ketojan will still be Qunari? I believe if Ketojan really was a companion then he would be Tal Vashoth Saarebas so
they would had changed his dialogue.

But to be honest i would have prefer Maraas as Tal Vashoth companion. He seems more interessing to me.

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At the very least, the Qunaris should become hostile, if you try to enter their compound with Ketojan in the group.
Same as Isabela. He just leave the party in that case. ;)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 01, 2020, 07:38:19 pm

I get it that you like him you besides been a Grey Warden what had been Nathaniel overall story ark in DA 2?
Sorry but Bioware clearly wanted to contuine with Nathaniel but they recognized at the end there isn´t that much more to tell than a cameo as grey warden.

I'm not a particular fan of Nathaniel, I just pointed out, that he would have made a better companion than Sebastian. But then, a cockroach would have made a better companion than Sebastian.
Besides: Sebastian leaves the GW at the end of DAA, if he is alive, so he could have joined as an adventurer ;)
 
Who? Do you mean Solivitus? He was just a  potion merch and questgiver. Nothing more and nothing less. I don´t see here any appeal for him as companion.
Also i don´t know if he is really a mage.

Believe it or not but i would mind if we had a Emile de Launce (maybe with a better haircut) in the party.
Or as Anders replacement in the canceled Exalted Marches expansion.

Ok, so you want Emile as a companion, one of the most boring and bland npcs around, but Sol is 'just a questgiver'? I like Sol, for 'just a questgiver' he has a lot personality (besides: Sebastian was 'just a questgiver too in act 1) - and yes, he calls himself Sol and I'm pretty sure, he is a mage, since he is too lively to be a Tranquil and has a robe on. I haven't seen a single person in robes in teh game, that wasn't either a mage or a tranquil.

You assume that Ketojan will still be Qunari? I believe if Ketojan really was a companion then he would be Tal Vashoth Saarebas so
they would had changed his dialogue.

But to be honest i would have prefer Maraas as Tal Vashoth companion. He seems more interessing to me.


No, I of course don't assume, that he will still be Qunari. As was clearly stated in the game, as a Qunari in his situation, he has to die - which he did. Still, the Qunari wouldn't like it, if you run around with a Tal Vashoth Saarebas. That would be as unrealistic as a mage Hawke doing magic openly in the street ... oh, wait ...

Same as Isabela. He just leave the party in that case. ;)

Yeah, but we have that already with Isabela, don't need another character, that has to leave, when going to the Qunari compound - it's a bit ...redundant.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 02, 2020, 04:16:54 pm
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 02, 2020, 07:35:01 pm
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 02, 2020, 08:25:30 pm
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?

It does not launch - black screen and then back to desktop.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 03, 2020, 01:15:05 am
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?

It does not launch - black screen and then back to desktop.

DId you try to repair the installation files through Origin?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 06:06:38 am
Has someone an idea? I can't launch DAI anymore. I did a fresh install of both Origin and DAI with DLCs, dissabled Origin in game, made DAI an exception in my antivirus program (Avast) and my graphic card is updated. Oh and I cleared the Origin cache.

Is tehre something else, I can do?

Do you get an error on launch specifically ? Or does it simply not launch ?

It does not launch - black screen and then back to desktop.

DId you try to repair the installation files through Origin?

Yep, did that already.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 03, 2020, 12:56:47 pm
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 04:11:11 pm
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.

I spent three hours yesterday with them and it didn't help, so my hope was, that the community, who is passionate about the games, might know something, the help guy from EA doesn't know. If all fails, I have to contact them again, but I don't have much hope.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 03, 2020, 04:18:31 pm
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.

I spent three hours yesterday with them and it didn't help, so my hope was, that the community, who is passionate about the games, might know something, the help guy from EA doesn't know. If all fails, I have to contact them again, but I don't have much hope.

Did you try running the game as administrator.  In your original post you mentioned you disabled Origin in game?  Can you try to re-enable it?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 07:29:07 pm
Yep, did that already.

If there's one thing, and one alone, that Origin has going for it is technical support. Try to contact them.

I spent three hours yesterday with them and it didn't help, so my hope was, that the community, who is passionate about the games, might know something, the help guy from EA doesn't know. If all fails, I have to contact them again, but I don't have much hope.

Did you try running the game as administrator.  In your original post you mentioned you disabled Origin in game?  Can you try to re-enable it?

I tried running it as an administrator to no effect. I also tried it with and without Origin disabled in game, although most advice to disable it. I think, it might have to do with Windows 10, I heard, some people had similar problems, but I'm a bit at a loss. At least I can play DAO and DA2 without Origin, so small steps :)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 03, 2020, 07:36:20 pm
I tried running it as an administrator to no effect. I also tried it with and without Origin disabled in game, although most advice to disable it. I think, it might have to do with Windows 10, I heard, some people had similar problems, but I'm a bit at a loss. At least I can play DAO and DA2 without Origin, so small steps :)

If that's the case then maybe it's an update that conflicts with DAI ? Keep us updated whatever happens.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 07:43:46 pm
I tried running it as an administrator to no effect. I also tried it with and without Origin disabled in game, although most advice to disable it. I think, it might have to do with Windows 10, I heard, some people had similar problems, but I'm a bit at a loss. At least I can play DAO and DA2 without Origin, so small steps :)

If that's the case then maybe it's an update that conflicts with DAI ? Keep us updated whatever happens.

I will do that, though it might be some time. At the moment, I play some delightful non-Bioware (gasp) games, such as Kingdom of Amalur, Pillars of Eternity and Secret World Legends.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 03, 2020, 08:08:04 pm
I will do that, though it might be some time. At the moment, I play some delightful non-Bioware (gasp) games, such as Kingdom of Amalur, Pillars of Eternity and Secret World Legends.

No idea what the Secret World Legends is... sounds MMOishhhh...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 03, 2020, 09:49:32 pm
I will do that, though it might be some time. At the moment, I play some delightful non-Bioware (gasp) games, such as Kingdom of Amalur, Pillars of Eternity and Secret World Legends.

No idea what the Secret World Legends is... sounds MMOishhhh...

It is, but you can play it as a single game. It's about secret societies trying to shape the world and uncover mysteries. It is heavily influenced by the work of H. P. Lovecraft, whom I really like as a writer and so I had to play that game. I bought it on sale on Steam and didn't regret it so far. It is a lot of fun. It is a role playing game, but features horror and mystery rather than fantasy. Although your character can use magic. My girl, Lyra Watson, is a magus, she uses elemental and chaos magic - really tons of fun in a fight.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 07, 2020, 07:13:50 pm
Hey, what do you guys like to see in DA4? What kind of storyline, characters, classes or romances?

I think, it is set, that the game will play in Tevinter, so I would like to see, how people live there - not just the magisters, but the normal people. Is it really that bad? Are there maybe things, that might even be better there than in the rest of Thedas? I would like to play a normal person, not an inquisitor or a Grey Warden - more someone like Hawke, someone who has his or her personal problems and family, friends etc. I think, they did that well in DA2.
As for classes - please please bring back spirit healer - I love that spec. In MMOs iI mostly play healer and I liek that in single rpgs too, so yeah, spirit healer would be cool. And shapeshifter, that too.

Romances - I trust tehre will be some character among them, I like. I would love for some easygoing, laid back character like Zevran, Isa or Iron Bull. I don't like the drama queens (and kings) as romances. I don't care, which gender or how they look, just some nice, fun and interesting character.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 07, 2020, 10:37:34 pm
I want Par Vollen damnit. If we get to see Tevinter then it seems logical we'd see the other side of the equation just as well.

Just no more Ferelden please. I've had enough with that place to last me the rest of the franchise.

I think, it is set, that the game will play in Tevinter, so I would like to see, how people live there - not just the magisters, but the normal people. Is it really that bad? Are there maybe things, that might even be better there than in the rest of Thedas? I would like to play a normal person, not an inquisitor or a Grey Warden - more someone like Hawke, someone who has his or her personal problems and family, friends etc. I think, they did that well in DA2. As for classes - please please bring back spirit healer - I love that spec. In MMOs iI mostly play healer and I liek that in single rpgs too, so yeah, spirit healer would be cool. And shapeshifter, that too.

Slavery will deffinitely be at the core of the story, specially given Dorian's rather controversial opinions about the entire ordeal so... I think we'll be likely making a few decisions regarding the institution of slavery; perhaps how it's related to the use of blood magic and even to the Tevinter Chantry as well.

Romances - I trust tehre will be some character among them, I like. I would love for some easygoing, laid back character like Zevran, Isa or Iron Bull. I don't like the drama queens (and kings) as romances. I don't care, which gender or how they look, just some nice, fun and interesting character.

I like challenging romances for my part. Characters that are difficult and conflictive and even unappealing in certain respects. I think Isabela was top top top in this regard, as was Morrigan; they were both examples of what works very very very well in my opinion when it comes to romances.

By the maker I don't want people to drown me in flattery at every point in the story. No more Josephines please. I honestly think the ONLY character that Bioware EVER got away with the constante flattery was Liara from Mass Effect... please though, no more. I'm not a child whose self-esteem needs to be constantly massaged.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 08, 2020, 12:37:53 am
I always wanted to go to Tevinter, since they first mentioned the mages who dared to enter the Golden City.  Plus I like playing mages and did not appreciate my Amell growing up in a tower.  Hawke mage had more freedom, but if you play a warrior the Templars take away sweet Bethany.  Hopefully they will bring back origin stories.  Like an elven slave on the run, or a rising Mage in Tevinter politics.  I liked how my Cousland became King Consort in DAO.  Although he should have been King, since he has as much claim to the crown as Anora.  But that's in the past.

As for romances my favorite romances are Morrigan, Isabela, and Cassandra.  I love women with a tough exterior but are sensitive on the inside.  Like Aeryn Sun from Farscape who I mentioned before, and was played by Morrigan's VA the beautiful, the sultry Claudia Black.  I also liked Leliana's romance in DAO.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 08, 2020, 02:49:28 am
I always wanted to go to Tevinter, since they first mentioned the mages who dared to enter the Golden City.  Plus I like playing mages and did not appreciate my Amell growing up in a tower.  Hawke mage had more freedom, but if you play a warrior the Templars take away sweet Bethany.  Hopefully they will bring back origin stories.  Like an elven slave on the run, or a rising Mage in Tevinter politics.  I liked how my Cousland became King Consort in DAO.  Although he should have been King, since he has as much claim to the crown as Anora.  But that's in the past.

Too much magic son. You need bows, arrows and daggers in your life !

In fact, I'd like for DA4 to offer us "archer rogue lovers" a few melee options. I always loved Hawke's little melee animations when he was turning qunari into utter dust. I specially loved that it was the murder knife he was using. Even in DAO an archer and dagger hybrid build is perfectly viable but the only melee option you have as an archer rogue in DAI is the shadow strike... and only one of those at that.

How about a single sidearm ? A special sword or dagger that activates an attack when enemies close the distance and stand face to face ? Might be a good opportunity to restructure one of the specializations as well.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 09:23:49 am
Oh yes, Morrigan. Yeah, I don't like her at all. The classical bitchywitch. When I first played DAO, I really hoped, Fkemeth would overtake her, but alas, it shouldn't be.
I don't get all the Morrigan hype, she is constantly complaining and a real downer. But I did recognize that people either love or hate her, there is nothing between.

Isabela on the other hand is such a delightful and fun character, apart from Varric, she is my favorite in DA2.

I guess, it is a good thing, that the companions are so different in the DA games, so that everyone finds someone, they like.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 08, 2020, 02:04:51 pm
Oh yes, Morrigan. Yeah, I don't like her at all. The classical bitchywitch. When I first played DAO, I really hoped, Fkemeth would overtake her, but alas, it shouldn't be. I don't get all the Morrigan hype, she is constantly complaining and a real downer. But I did recognize that people either love or hate her, there is nothing between.

I don't know about most Bioware fans. I think we can have a loooooooooooong discussion about how toxic some of their opinions can be.

About Morrigan though, try to see it from her perspective: She is a mage that is happy and content with the life she's made on her own, being free and independent. How would a person like that think of an institution that enslaves other mages ? How would she feel about those that willingly favor that institution and the people outside of it, who think of mages as monsters or freaks ? She obviously has a rather ruthless view of the world but it's pretty understandable she'd think poorly of most peasants and mages, given what the former think of magic and how many of the latter support the chantry.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 08, 2020, 02:35:57 pm
I want Par Vollen damnit. If we get to see Tevinter then it seems logical we'd see the other side of the equation just as well.

Just no more Ferelden please. I've had enough with that place to last me the rest of the franchise.
Don´t worry the Trespasser DLC, the comics and the novels makes it very clear that Dragon Age 4 is set in Tevinter.

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uG53TYjq5rKax7ME6jkiFN-1200-80.jpg)

The only question is there just Tevinter or more? I believe that we will also visit Seheron and maybe maybe the legendary Grey Warden fortress Weißhaupt.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 02:36:54 pm
Sorry, but Morrigan doesn't come across as happy to me. She is constantly complaining (more like bitching around). And she has no trouble selling innocents into slavery for personal gain, so I really don't want to see anything from Morrigan perspective. But I get, what you mean, she is different. I just wish, she would not always be so annoyed.

I don't think, the community is toxic, it's like everywhere, you have a lot of people who share their love for the games and discuss, like we do, and then some few, that are basically harassing other people. I spent a lot of forum time in a Bioware board (the one Talyn and I know each other from) and I would say 90 percent of the people there are great.
It becomes a bit problematic, when a new game is announced, like DA4 now. Then you have a lot of people discussing and mostly bashing Bioware and DA. But apart from that, it's OK. I think the point is, to respect other opinions, while I don't like Morrigan, I get, why you and Talyn like her and it's totally ok. I would never dream to convince you otherwise. Live and let live, I think, thats important.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 02:38:13 pm
I want Par Vollen damnit. If we get to see Tevinter then it seems logical we'd see the other side of the equation just as well.

Just no more Ferelden please. I've had enough with that place to last me the rest of the franchise.
Don´t worry the Trespasser DLC, the comics and the novels makes it very clear that Dragon Age 4 is set in Tevinter.

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uG53TYjq5rKax7ME6jkiFN-1200-80.jpg)

The only question is there just Tevinter or more? I believe that we will also visit Seheron and maybe maybe the legendary Grey Warden fortress Weißhaupt.

I agree, we will probably see a lot more than Tevinter. I'm really excited for it. Hopefully I have solved my Orign problems til then
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 08, 2020, 03:05:04 pm
I agree, we will probably see a lot more than Tevinter. I'm really excited for it.
Well its very unlikely but Bioware could still reboot this. But i don´t believe that Bioware do this.
Atleast not for Dragon Age 4 but Mass Effect will get a reboot so no Andromeda 2.

I am looking forward what they do with the Tevinter setting. I hope that DA 4 is because of Tevinter more in line with DAO and DA 2 with its content.
So yeah the evil blood mage should be back.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 08, 2020, 03:20:10 pm
Sorry, but Morrigan doesn't come across as happy to me. She is constantly complaining (more like bitching around). And she has no trouble selling innocents into slavery for personal gain, so I really don't want to see anything from Morrigan perspective. But I get, what you mean, she is different. I just wish, she would not always be so annoyed.

Think about what she is complaining about and you might get a more rounded approach to what her views are. As for slavery, I think her argument in that decision is directed towards the idea that you should always get all the power you can get, no matter what the cost. I obviously never make that decision, I think she's wrong there but she's not just a sadist; she obviously learns to care for others and believes everyone deserves... at the very least, a chance to fight and earn their power.

And if we're talking about slavery well... we all love Dorian... and he ACTUALLY supports slavery.

I don't think, the community is toxic, it's like everywhere, you have a lot of people who share their love for the games and discuss, like we do, and then some few, that are basically harassing other people. I spent a lot of forum time in a Bioware board (the one Talyn and I know each other from) and I would say 90 percent of the people there are great.

Fuck it, I got time. Let's do this:

Maybe things have changed but some years ago no Bioware fan just liked or disliked a game. They either felt: a) it was a glorious masterpiece of artistic beauty that should be preserved for eternity (Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 1) or b) it was a direct betrayal from the developers and an aggressive insult to the community (Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2).

It's been quite some time since those days and I believe you when you say things are stable now. But back then A LOT of the core talent in Bioware (Casey Hudson, Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka) left for good. The goddamn founders of Bioware left and don't show any signs of coming back anytime soon. Obviously EA influenced that decision but I don't think the toxic response from the community at the time helped any bit. We are extremely fortunate that Casey Hudson did want to go back; without him I'd be seriously concerned about the future of Bioware.

It becomes a bit problematic, when a new game is announced, like DA4 now. Then you have a lot of people discussing and mostly bashing Bioware and DA. But apart from that, it's OK. I think the point is, to respect other opinions, while I don't like Morrigan, I get, why you and Talyn like her and it's totally ok. I would never dream to convince you otherwise. Live and let live, I think, thats important.

Another issue that annoys me a bit, in particular to this franchise, is what many fans want out of it. I left an FB group almost a year ago that was supposedly a Dragon Age Inquisition group but was mostly filled with Adoribull posts. Another group I landed on discussed, on a daily basis, their favorite romances. Everyone of course, posted pictures of their inquisitors and the Trespasser wedding.

Do you see a pattern here ?

I like romances as much as anyone. But let's think about this hypothetical bit for a while:

What if the story of DA4... at some point... had your significant other die a gruesome death ? How would you feel about it ?

Me ? I wouldn't care one bit if it served the story. As for the other fans ? I have no idea.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 08, 2020, 09:03:49 pm
About Morrigan.  I am a fan of hers, but that does not mean I do everything she says.  When she approves of the annulment on the mages.  I tell her to shut up.  When she wants to sell elves as slaves, I also tell her shut the hell up.  So I do not follow her blindly I am not her doggy.

@Fylimar:  About the toxicity of the BioWare forums when a new game is announced.  I agree which is why I hang out on the DAO and DA2 forums when I visit that site. 

But  I must give Inquisition another try before ever buying DA4.  I did enjoy DAI.  But since I am a completionist I kept on getting sidetracked by side quests.  The last time I played my big bad Qunari was chasing a Halla to bring back to the elves.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 11:18:55 pm
Highwayman: I had just finished writing an answer for you, when the forum broke down. The basics were that toxic behavior is never ok and sadly, I have encountered that in every Fandom. The wirst I have seen so far was in tge Supernatural Fandom, where people had fought out their differences even in real life at conventions. And it was the stupidest thing:they were fighting over pairs to ship.
And yes, I did met toxic people in the DA fandom too and they are really mean, but luckily they are a minority nowadays, only in the DA4 board there are the casual hater, who plop in to let us know how hard DA sucks and that the Witcher, Skyrim... are much better games. They are annoying as hell, but mostly short lived.
Sadly the internet can bring out the worst in people.

About romances and how annoying people can be in living out their romances in game (and let everyone know) :I agree a hundred percent with you. I see a romance as an enrichment of a nice story, nothing more. I agree, that I would find it ok , if a romance would die, if it makes sense story wise. I think they did it at least once in a game and in another there was an inevitable breakup, which did make sense too.
I must say, some of my favorite characters are not romance able, most notably Varric, but also Aveline, Wynne, Vivienne.

Yeah, Dorian and his view of slavery is problematic and I do normally grill him about it. But in Dorian case, I do think, he will try to better the lives of all people in Tevinter, he is, deep down, an idealist - must be Felix's influence.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 08, 2020, 11:24:53 pm
About Morrigan.  I am a fan of hers, but that does not mean I do everything she says.  When she approves of the annulment on the mages.  I tell her to shut up.  When she wants to sell elves as slaves, I also tell her shut the hell up.  So I do not follow her blindly I am not her doggy.

@Fylimar:  About the toxicity of the BioWare forums when a new game is announced.  I agree which is why I hang out on the DAO and DA2 forums when I visit that site. 

But  I must give Inquisition another try before ever buying DA4.  I did enjoy DAI.  But since I am a completionist I kept on getting sidetracked by side quests.  The last time I played my big bad Qunari was chasing a Halla to bring back to the elves.

Ah, the infamous Halla quest. Although at least Hallas are very beautiful animals, think about chasing giant spiders home... thank the creators for small mercy.
But seriously, I agree, that some of the fetch quests were just too much. I did all that I could find in the first playthrough, but nowadays I stick to the interesting stuff. I have a similar problem at the moment with Kingdoms of Amalur - too many quests. And since it is my first playthrough, I don't want to miss out.

I think, you can safely go to the DAI section if the board nowadays, there isn't much toxic behavior, that is restricted to DA4.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 09, 2020, 01:19:08 am
Highwayman: I had just finished writing an answer for you, when the forum broke down. The basics were that toxic behavior is never ok and sadly, I have encountered that in every Fandom. The wirst I have seen so far was in tge Supernatural Fandom, where people had fought out their differences even in real life at conventions. And it was the stupidest thing:they were fighting over pairs to ship. And yes, I did met toxic people in the DA fandom too and they are really mean, but luckily they are a minority nowadays, only in the DA4 board there are the casual hater, who plop in to let us know how hard DA sucks and that the Witcher, Skyrim... are much better games. They are annoying as hell, but mostly short lived. Sadly the internet can bring out the worst in people.

Hopefully things have improved for the better. I will take your word and Talyn's to that effect... and let us be done with it !

About romances and how annoying people can be in living out their romances in game (and let everyone know) :I agree a hundred percent with you. I see a romance as an enrichment of a nice story, nothing more. I agree, that I would find it ok , if a romance would die, if it makes sense story wise. I think they did it at least once in a game and in another there was an inevitable breakup, which did make sense too. I must say, some of my favorite characters are not romance able, most notably Varric, but also Aveline, Wynne, Vivienne.

This is all good to hear at least. Hopefully fans will be more understanding towards the function of a romance in a story and most specially in a videogame.

I will say that I think they missed a bit of their shot in DA2 by not letting the romances evolve in some way, specially considering the span of the story is around ten years. That would've been the proper setting and timetable to deal with the idea of marriage, for example; instead of just serving it as some sort of biscuit to dangle in front people who bought trespasser xD ...

As for your picks, I do wonder... can Aveline die in DA2 ? I think she's non-essential in the final act but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 09, 2020, 07:46:05 am
I couldn't reach the forum again now, strange.
I don't know, if Aveline can die, I had never had the option in my game, but I'm normally at high approval with her.

I never cared for the Trespasser marriages much, I didn't even know, you could marry in that game until Blackwall proposed to my Lavellan. I was a bit freaked out and declined.
I must say, I'm not fond of romances for romances sake - I hate romantic novels and movies too - they have to serve a purpose to the story.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 09, 2020, 04:36:13 pm
I couldn't reach the forum again now, strange.
I don't know, if Aveline can die, I had never had the option in my game, but I'm normally at high approval with her.

I never cared for the Trespasser marriages much, I didn't even know, you could marry in that game until Blackwall proposed to my Lavellan. I was a bit freaked out and declined.
I must say, I'm not fond of romances for romances sake - I hate romantic novels and movies too - they have to serve a purpose to the story.

I didn't know Aveline could die either.  But like you I did have high influence with her.  As for romance that's why Chris Avellone the famous video game writer does not like putting romance in his games.  Becuase if there's going to be romance then it has to be done right in his opinion.  I really liked the sort of romance in KOTOR 2 which is a game he was writer and lead designer for,  I did like how he did the Visas and male Exile sort of romance.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 09, 2020, 04:49:01 pm
I didn't know Aveline could die either.  But like you I did have high influence with her.  As for romance that's why Chris Avellone the famous video game writer does not like putting romance in his games.  Becuase if there's going to be romance then it has to be done right in his opinion.  I really liked the sort of romance in KOTOR 2 which is a game he was writer and lead designer for,  I did like how he did the Visas and male Exile sort of romance.

So it's his goddamn fault that neither Pillars of Eternity nor Tyranny have romance ? Curse you Avellone !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 09, 2020, 05:03:47 pm
I didn't know Aveline could die either.  But like you I did have high influence with her.  As for romance that's why Chris Avellone the famous video game writer does not like putting romance in his games.  Becuase if there's going to be romance then it has to be done right in his opinion.  I really liked the sort of romance in KOTOR 2 which is a game he was writer and lead designer for,  I did like how he did the Visas and male Exile sort of romance.

So it's his goddamn fault that neither Pillars of Eternity nor Tyranny have romance ? Curse you Avellone !

I enjoy his games.  He wrote two of my favorite characters of all time.  The Nameless One in Planescape: Torment, and Kreia from KOTOR 2.  Having said that I do wish he would reconsider writing romance into his game.  But for now nope.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on February 09, 2020, 07:14:57 pm
As for your picks, I do wonder... can Aveline die in DA2 ? I think she's non-essential in the final act but I'm not sure.
No Aveline can´t die at any point in Dragon Age 2. The most extreme scene is well see it for yourself.


 Varric and Sebastian also can´t die but the rest can. Merrill is really difficult. You have side with Templars, have spared Anders and have him & Merrill full on rivalry. And if Hawke is really evil he/she can betray his own sister.


Compare this to DAI vanilia there only Blackwall gets an offscreen death. Atleast the Trespasser DLC had one optional The Iron Bull death scene.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 09, 2020, 09:08:05 pm
I enjoy his games.  He wrote two of my favorite characters of all time.  The Nameless One in Planescape: Torment, and Kreia from KOTOR 2.  Having said that I do wish he would reconsider writing romance into his game.  But for now nope.

Oh I do know him, he's quite the legend. Not sure how much input he had in Pillars of Eternity 2 then since apparently there's romance in that game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 09, 2020, 10:15:41 pm
I'm still playing Pillars of Eternity (the first game) and I do like it a lot.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 10, 2020, 04:19:56 am
I enjoy his games.  He wrote two of my favorite characters of all time.  The Nameless One in Planescape: Torment, and Kreia from KOTOR 2.  Having said that I do wish he would reconsider writing romance into his game.  But for now nope.

Oh I do know him, he's quite the legend. Not sure how much input he had in Pillars of Eternity 2 then since apparently there's romance in that game.

I know he wrote at least one character for that game.  I forgot her name though.  But you can look it up on Goggle.  As for Tyranny which you mentioned before he had nothing to do with that game.  Because by that time he left Obsidian and went into freelance writing.

Edit:  Oops!  Just noticed you said POE 2.  But most likely he didn't work on the game.  Since when he left Obsidian, they tried to have him blacklisted.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 10, 2020, 04:24:00 am
I'm still playing Pillars of Eternity (the first game) and I do like it a lot.

I was a backer for this game.  I purchased both STEAM and GOG versions, and was having fun until Obsidian introduced a patch that respawned an incredibly difficult boss, who I had just defeated prior.  So I had no health potions and no magic reserves.

Still I did enjoy it and want to give it another try.  Tyranny was fun and I recommend if you enjoy being the villain.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 10, 2020, 12:22:18 pm
I'll make the two of you happy. Yesterday I spent almost all my afternoon playing Planescape: Torment, for the very first time. I'll finally be taking that one off my bucket list.

And to boot, I liked it a lot. Hated the Smoldering Corpse Bar though. I think it was the only place where Chris Avellone really went a little overboard with the sheer quantity of writing contained in that place. In most situations it's quick and functional how you can go through conversations and achieve your goals. Not when talking to fucking Candrian though... what a goddamn chore that guy is. Still, I'm on the Hive so far and I'm about to look for Creeden for a way to cross the portal in Ragpicker's Square.

And this is an issue that came up a bit with me when playing Tyranny. I really liked it (wasn't able to finish it because my PC fried, careful with the spoilers) but felt it was a little limited in terms of how much you can do. I also felt punished for some of the dialogue options I took as well, which so far is not a thing that ever happened to me on Arcanum, nor here on PS:T. It's funny in fact how PS:T works... the more you just talk with... everyone, the better you are rewarded by the game.

EDIT: By the way... I wanted to ask... should I get the journal first ? Should I find Pharod first ? Does it matter ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 10, 2020, 08:20:43 pm
I'll admit, I have never played Planescape: Torment. Hopefully Talyn can answer your question.

Over in the Bioware forum there is a discussion about Anora, I find interesting: Wether she should rule alone, rule with Alistair (or male Cousland warden) or should be thrown into prison.
In my playthroughs, she mostly rule with Alistair - she has the brains, Ali the heart, together they are a surprisingly efficient team imo.

What do you think? Anora - yay or nay?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 10, 2020, 08:34:36 pm
What do you think? Anora - yay or nay?

Anora is cool. She is smart, she is experienced and understands governance much better than her father.

HOWEVER... there are some gaps that concern me, in regards to her integrity: Does she want the best for Ferelden ? Is she just trying to keep her position ? We never find out. Is she really a moral person ? Does she care about others or is she concerned about herself only ? We never find out.

None of this worries me with Alistair. His integrity is 100% solid and there's plenty of space to demonstrate it; with the right push he can also rule Ferelden just as well as Anora. No reason to keep her out however, so I do convince them both to get married.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 11, 2020, 01:36:35 am
@Highwayman667:  I've forgotten what I did first.  But I think Pharod has the Journal.  He's in ragpicker's square.  Far to the west from the mortuary.  You need to have some junk in your inventory to gain access to where Pharod is hiding.

I recently bought and installed the Enhanced Edition and been meaning to replay the game.  It's been years since I last played.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 11, 2020, 01:39:14 am
I'll admit, I have never played Planescape: Torment. Hopefully Talyn can answer your question.

Over in the Bioware forum there is a discussion about Anora, I find interesting: Wether she should rule alone, rule with Alistair (or male Cousland warden) or should be thrown into prison.
In my playthroughs, she mostly rule with Alistair - she has the brains, Ali the heart, together they are a surprisingly efficient team imo.

What do you think? Anora - yay or nay?

I liked Anora she was just ambitious like her father and a perfect match for my equally ambitious Cousland.  So I say yay.  I also liked Logain.  I spared him only to have him commit the ultimate sacrifice.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 11, 2020, 03:26:35 pm
@Highwayman667:  I've forgotten what I did first.  But I think Pharod has the Journal.  He's in ragpicker's square.  Far to the west from the mortuary.  You need to have some junk in your inventory to gain access to where Pharod is hiding.

I recently bought and installed the Enhanced Edition and been meaning to replay the game.  It's been years since I last played.

Thanks Talyn. I want to play The Nameless One as a thief but I'm not sure I can do any playthrough without Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma. Those three are just way too useful when it comes to conversation and the game truly shines in the writing department.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 11, 2020, 05:48:53 pm
@Highwayman667:  I've forgotten what I did first.  But I think Pharod has the Journal.  He's in ragpicker's square.  Far to the west from the mortuary.  You need to have some junk in your inventory to gain access to where Pharod is hiding.

I recently bought and installed the Enhanced Edition and been meaning to replay the game.  It's been years since I last played.

Thanks Talyn. I want to play The Nameless One as a thief but I'm not sure I can do any playthrough without Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma. Those three are just way too useful when it comes to conversation and the game truly shines in the writing department.

Those are three most important attributes.  Follow this guide to help you setup your Nameless One's attributes.  Do not read the whole thing because it contains spoilers.  Just read on where to allocate your points.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/187975-planescape-torment/faqs/7964

If memory serves right I think it was:

STR: 9
DEX:10
INT: 15
WIS: 18
CHA: 13

Wisdom is the key attribute.  It gets you more experience and more memories.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 11, 2020, 07:47:29 pm
Those are three most important attributes.  Follow this guide to help you setup your Nameless One's attributes.  Do not read the whole thing because it contains spoilers.  Just read on where to allocate your points.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/187975-planescape-torment/faqs/7964

If memory serves right I think it was:

STR: 9
DEX:10
INT: 15
WIS: 18
CHA: 13

Wisdom is the key attribute.  It gets you more experience and more memories.

You are a kindred among kindreds Talyn. A Leo for you:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/YRuFixSNWFVcXaxpmX/giphy.gif)

Now let us hope Chris Avellone doesn't try to drown me in lore again... damn you Candrian !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 09:47:34 am
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 01:09:51 pm
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)

Even though I strongly dislike what they did to Revan and my favorite the Exile.  SWTOR is not a bad game.  Last time I played was years ago and I was a human male Jedi Knight.  The story was great but I never finished it.  I also played as a Sith Pureblood male Sith Inquisitor, and that story was also good.  But I never finished as well.

Since at the time I was mainly a console player.  My first BioWare game was the original KOTOR.  But once I got hooked I played their older games like NWN and Baldur's Gate II.  Then of course Dragon Age Origins came out I fell in love with them all over again.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 06:08:16 pm
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)

Even though I strongly dislike what they did to Revan and my favorite the Exile.  SWTOR is not a bad game.  Last time I played was years ago and I was a human male Jedi Knight.  The story was great but I never finished it.  I also played as a Sith Pureblood male Sith Inquisitor, and that story was also good.  But I never finished as well.

Since at the time I was mainly a console player.  My first BioWare game was the original KOTOR.  But once I got hooked I played their older games like NWN and Baldur's Gate II.  Then of course Dragon Age Origins came out I fell in love with them all over again.

I agree, what they did to Revan and teh Exile (but mostly Revan) is mostly unforgivable. I mean, why let us create our characters, if they throw our decisions out the window. Nonteless I really love SWTOR. My main character is a Mirilian smuggler named Janei Lovecraft (if you ever see the Lovecraft legacy online - that's me) and an Twilek Agent by the name of Castiel. I played SWTOR a lot back in the days, we even had a really great guild. But as life goes, people wandered off to other games. BUt I still have contact to some of my former guild members. I play mostly healer in the game and loved going to operations and pvp instances. As a healer, you never had to wait long.
My favorite class is the smuggler, I love the story, the Firefly feeling of it, and the voice actor for the female smuggler.

I never really got into NWN, but I played NWN 2 quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 06:37:43 pm
I really need to try out Planescape on day. My first Bioware game was Baldurs Gate 1.

I'm contemplating to give SWTOR another try. I miss my Lekku brigade (I have mostly Twilek-and Togruta character)

Even though I strongly dislike what they did to Revan and my favorite the Exile.  SWTOR is not a bad game.  Last time I played was years ago and I was a human male Jedi Knight.  The story was great but I never finished it.  I also played as a Sith Pureblood male Sith Inquisitor, and that story was also good.  But I never finished as well.

Since at the time I was mainly a console player.  My first BioWare game was the original KOTOR.  But once I got hooked I played their older games like NWN and Baldur's Gate II.  Then of course Dragon Age Origins came out I fell in love with them all over again.

I agree, what they did to Revan and teh Exile (but mostly Revan) is mostly unforgivable. I mean, why let us create our characters, if they throw our decisions out the window. Nonteless I really love SWTOR. My main character is a Mirilian smuggler named Janei Lovecraft (if you ever see the Lovecraft legacy online - that's me) and an Twilek Agent by the name of Castiel. I played SWTOR a lot back in the days, we even had a really great guild. But as life goes, people wandered off to other games. BUt I still have contact to some of my former guild members. I play mostly healer in the game and loved going to operations and pvp instances. As a healer, you never had to wait long.
My favorite class is the smuggler, I love the story, the Firefly feeling of it, and the voice actor for the female smuggler.

I never really got into NWN, but I played NWN 2 quite a bit.

I only played two classes.  Jedi Knight and Sith Inquisitor.  Both questlines were good from what I remembered, but I never completed them due to real life getting in the way.  Plus I found the non story missions to be repetitive.  You know the missions where you usually have to clear out bases or kill a group of people?   About Revan and the Exile.  I dislike what they did to Revan but I really dislike what they did to the Exile.  They made her weak and I did not like her fate.  They should of just let both of them out of the game.  Another pet peeve I got with the game is that it pretty much retconned all of KOTOR 2, my favorite game out of that series.  But I still did enjoy the mmo.

But at least you got to name your characters what you wanted.  I had to use a random name generator for my characters cause all the good names were taken.  Thus I've forgotten what they were called.  I was leader of a guild once but I don't know if they still exist.

NWN2 is the only Obsidian game besides Pillars of Eternity I have not completed.  Because I can't stand the camera.  In the original game the camera was fine.  But in the sequel they decided to change that.  The original campaign in NWN was boring but I did like the two expansions, plus the ton of community made modules.  Like 'The Bastard of Kosigan' series.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 12, 2020, 06:47:11 pm
I think they were in a tough spot though...

... but let's think about Dragon Age for a second. What do you do when half of the players want a new character and the others want the Hero of Ferelden to return in some capacity ?

Your only choice is to bring back the Hero of Ferelden. But you can't possibly bring him/her in all the different ways people imagined him/her to be. At the very least you gotta give the character a voice and we know no matter what an incredible voice actor/actress Bioware brought in a shitload of people would just hate it.

Maybe SWTOR is a lesson to let some characters just stay dead and never return.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 07:19:38 pm
I think they were in a tough spot though...

... but let's think about Dragon Age for a second. What do you do when half of the players want a new character and the others want the Hero of Ferelden to return in some capacity ?

Your only choice is to bring back the Hero of Ferelden. But you can't possibly bring him/her in all the different ways people imagined him/her to be. At the very least you gotta give the character a voice and we know no matter what an incredible voice actor/actress Bioware brought in a shitload of people would just hate it.

Maybe SWTOR is a lesson to let some characters just stay dead and never return.

Exactly that's my point.  In the SWTOR story Revan and the Exile should just stay dead and never return.  Now let's say Disney revoked EA's license, and asked Obsidian to make a KOTOR 3.  Then they can bring back Revan and the Exile, and let us choose what they look like.  Like you said the problem with canonizing beloved characters with certain looks and voice, is they never look or sound like what we imagined in our minds.

As for the Hero of Ferelden.  I hope they never return.  Because although they make great characters.  BioWare has a history of botching them when canonizing them like they did with Revan and Hawke.  I was happy when my DAO wifey Morrigan said in DAI that the HoF was looking for a cure.  I'm happy with that.  Now please don't give them a set race and gender.  Just let them be what we imagine them to be.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 12, 2020, 07:54:23 pm
I was happy when my DAO wifey Morrigan said in DAI that the HoF was looking for a cure.  I'm happy with that.  Now please don't give them a set race and gender.  Just let them be what we imagine them to be.

I actually hated that a little bit. Grey Wardens are supposed to die young and brutally, and this seemed like a move to placate the anger of many "fans" if one day Morrigan revealed she had to say goodbye to the Hero of Ferelden because he had felt the calling. Not everything should have a happy ending.

STILL... regarding our main point, I agree with you that perhaps it's the most prudent decision to not bring back the Hero of Ferelden again.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 12, 2020, 07:58:55 pm
I was happy when my DAO wifey Morrigan said in DAI that the HoF was looking for a cure.  I'm happy with that.  Now please don't give them a set race and gender.  Just let them be what we imagine them to be.

I actually hated that a little bit. Grey Wardens are supposed to die young and brutally, and this seemed like a move to placate the anger of many "fans" if one day Morrigan revealed she had to say goodbye to the Hero of Ferelden because he had felt the calling. Not everything should have a happy ending.

STILL... regarding our main point, I agree with you that perhaps it's the most prudent decision to not bring back the Hero of Ferelden again.

About what the Grey Warden was doing according to Morrigan.  What I meant to say it could've been worse.  So I was content with what she said.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 10:01:26 pm
I don't want the HoF to come back. My heros are off and away with Zevran according to the end sliders and that's ok with me. I didn't mind them searching for a cure behind the scenes in DAI, but I really don't want them (i have many HoF - and since I can't decide, they are all canon) to return.

Same with Hawke - I didn't find Hawkes return in DAI that bad tbh, but I would not have needed it. I know, that some, who played bloodmage Hawke were pissed, that Hawke openly condems bloodmaigic in DAI during a dialogue. And of course there can't be one canon Hawke or one canon HoF - just leave them be.

There seems to be a group of fans, who want the inquisitor to return in DA4 as a protagonist, but again, I don't want that. I liked all my inquis, but I don't think they should return. I like the end tehy presented us in Trespasser and with that, they should let the inqui do, what they want (I like, that there are a few possibilities). Even with that still open storyline from DAI, I don't think, it needs the inqui to resolve that.

Basically: I want a new protagonist and I want that they leave player characters alone. It's best that way.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 12, 2020, 10:25:44 pm
Ah - the heck. I started SWTOR again and made a new character - a Jedi sage - might become a healer or a shadow tank.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 12, 2020, 10:57:33 pm
That's just Asohka xD ...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 13, 2020, 01:49:48 am
@Fylimar:  She looks great!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 11:44:05 am
That's just Asohka xD ...

Nah, only the markings, but my character is a grown up Togruta and the face is different as are the Lekku markings.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 11:45:29 am
@Fylimar:  She looks great!

Thank you.

I'm still unsure, if I will continue playing. MMOs are much more time intensive than solo rpgs and I have a lot of real life stuff to deal with.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 13, 2020, 12:47:22 pm
Nah, only the markings, but my character is a grown up Togruta and the face is different as are the Lekku markings.

The magic is in the details.

What about this piece of news ? I actually find this rather encouraging:

https://www.polygon.com/2020/2/10/21131611/bioware-anthem-redesign-remake-updates
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 05:26:19 pm
I never had the slightest interest in Anthem. So I doubt, that I will try the redesigned version.
Did any of you play Anthem?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 13, 2020, 05:31:23 pm
I never had the slightest interest in Anthem. So I doubt, that I will try the redesigned version.
Did any of you play Anthem?

No, I never played it.  Like you it never interested me.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 13, 2020, 06:53:17 pm
No, I never played it.  Like you it never interested me.

We are all in agreement. I could not give a single fuck about Anthem in its' current state.

... HOWEVERRRRRR... I support Bioware's efforts to make the game work.

I've never agreed with the premise that "Bioware should stick to what it does right". This is "fan" mentality, and not the right one.

What some of these people are basically saying to Bioware developers is that they should never experiment, never take risks and never expand the boundaries of their creativity. And dare I ask: How exactly are we going to have innovative and entertaining videogames if we rigidly tell people they should never try other paths to express themselves ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 13, 2020, 08:55:17 pm
I agree. And I'm ok with Anthem, it is just not my type of game. Hopefully they can make it work, because right now it wouldn't help anyone, if that game would be doomed.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 14, 2020, 12:07:00 am
I agree. And I'm ok with Anthem, it is just not my type of game. Hopefully they can make it work, because right now it wouldn't help anyone, if that game would be doomed.

If anything it will probably be the game that finances other great projects...

...like a sequel to Jade Empire ?

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f53c7505-d455-41a7-8887-6942e8bc0095/d60bwfz-2d140ebc-3835-43c8-bb07-8d24a9bc0a0d.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Y1M2M3NTA1LWQ0NTUtNDFhNy04ODg3LTY5NDJlOGJjMDA5NVwvZDYwYndmei0yZDE0MGViYy0zODM1LTQzYzgtYmIwNy04ZDI0YTliYzBhMGQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.KheAMH1gS3qDLuMfCup80WEj9sV90gZBjuy6kW2PUHs)

Please Casey Hudson ?

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 14, 2020, 05:50:17 am
Would be great.
For now, I'm playing SWTOR again. It's nice, I really.missed it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 15, 2020, 08:07:17 pm
Would be great.
For now, I'm playing SWTOR again. It's nice, I really.missed it.

Talking to you and Highwayman667 about KOTOR and SWTOR, has made me reinstall the latter.  Although I still dislike what they did to both Revan and the Exile, and I also dislike how they retconned KOTOR 2.  I did enjoy playing as a Jedi Knight.  I just have two questions for you fylimar.  Is it true now we could get by only doing story missions?  By that I mean I don't have to do anymore of those boring clearing out bases quests? 

Oh I forgot to mention one of my favorite planets is Korriban it has that ancient Egyptian vibe, which the old Sith are based on.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 15, 2020, 08:44:05 pm
I don't know, if only story missions is enough. I do some pvp between the story missions - it gives a lot of xp and money. But I would try, if I were you. Maybe if it isn't enough, do the Heroics with your companion, they are a bit more challenging and you get new and better gear.

I played my main character Janei Lovecraft today - that really felt good. She was my first ever character, a healer smuggler, and she is still my favorite. She has a lot of great stuff and relatively good gear from the time when I did operations with her. Janei is Mirilian.

Another character I really like, is my sorceress Myca Vykos (yeah, I'm a Vykos fangirl, so I had to make a Sith named after them - the most fitting class for Vykos in Star Wars). SHe is only level 24 so far and I mostly play story with her , with some pvp and hHeroics in between. She is overleveled, so maybe class story is enough. Vykos is SIth race  - I thought, they look most similar to a Tzimisce - although Vykos as Sascha has sometimes some kind of tentacles, so maybe a Twilek would have been a fit too.

Where are you playing? I'm mainly on Star Forge at the moment. There are some people from the BSN Board, whom I like, playing there - space cowboy and Obsidian Gryphon. I try to meet up with them there, but we managed to miss each otehr so far. I have some characters on teh German server, Tulak Hord, too, since I'm from Germany and originally started on a German server. But since I play the game in English anyway and Star Forge is more populated, I switched.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 15, 2020, 09:28:37 pm
I don't know, if only story missions is enough. I do some pvp between the story missions - it gives a lot of xp and money. But I would try, if I were you. Maybe if it isn't enough, do the Heroics with your companion, they are a bit more challenging and you get new and better gear.

I played my main character Janei Lovecraft today - that really felt good. She was my first ever character, a healer smuggler, and she is still my favorite. She has a lot of great stuff and relatively good gear from the time when I did operations with her. Janei is Mirilian.

Another character I really like, is my sorceress Myca Vykos (yeah, I'm a Vykos fangirl, so I had to make a Sith named after them - the most fitting class for Vykos in Star Wars). SHe is only level 24 so far and I mostly play story with her , with some pvp and hHeroics in between. She is overleveled, so maybe class story is enough. Vykos is SIth race  - I thought, they look most similar to a Tzimisce - although Vykos as Sascha has sometimes some kind of tentacles, so maybe a Twilek would have been a fit too.

Where are you playing? I'm mainly on Star Forge at the moment. There are some people from the BSN Board, whom I like, playing there - space cowboy and Obsidian Gryphon. I try to meet up with them there, but we managed to miss each otehr so far. I have some characters on teh German server, Tulak Hord, too, since I'm from Germany and originally started on a German server. But since I play the game in English anyway and Star Forge is more populated, I switched.

Yeah it's those heroic missions I was trying to avoid, but you do make a good point about getting good gear by doing them.  The last time I played was two years ago and the server name I think was called 'Ebon Hawk.'  But I will see about transferring both my characters to the Star Forge.  Both my Jedi and Sith are over level 60.  The last time I played the level cap was lvl 65.  I remember I had a stronghold on the Sith homeworld, and I never got to fully decorate it.

The game is still updating so I don't know when I'll be able to play.  But just to get an idea.  What time is it in Germany?  It's 4:27 pm over here in NY.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 15, 2020, 09:59:00 pm
It's nearly eleven p. m. here in Germany. I have switched off the pc and will settle with a good book for the rest of the evening. You might automatically have been transferred to one of the remaining two American servers, Star Forge or Satele Shan.
Janei is now level 65, I have a Jedi healer on level 60, the rest is below.
I started a mercenary healer (healing rules) named Fylimar yesterday. Playing a healer is a good and quick way to get through the Heroics. I don't think, the companions do a good job as healer. With my shadow I died a few times, because Quyzen wasn't able to keep me healthy, when I play a healer and switch my companions to tank, all is well.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 15, 2020, 10:46:51 pm
It's nearly eleven p. m. here in Germany. I have switched off the pc and will settle with a good book for the rest of the evening. You might automatically have been transferred to one of the remaining two American servers, Star Forge or Satele Shan.
Janei is now level 65, I have a Jedi healer on level 60, the rest is below.
I started a mercenary healer (healing rules) named Fylimar yesterday. Playing a healer is a good and quick way to get through the Heroics. I don't think, the companions do a good job as healer. With my shadow I died a few times, because Quyzen wasn't able to keep me healthy, when I play a healer and switch my companions to tank, all is well.

The game finally finished downloading and I quickly looked at the start menu and it says 'Star Forge.'  I will most likely play tomorrow.  Have a goodnight.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 16, 2020, 01:57:14 am
I might just join you both at the BSN... *rubs chin*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 16, 2020, 03:10:30 am
I might just join you both at the BSN... *rubs chin*

That's great welcome aboard.  I usually hangout on the DAO and DA2 sections.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 16, 2020, 03:47:43 am
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 16, 2020, 07:10:40 am
I might just join you both at the BSN... *rubs chin*

Yay, welcome. I'm fylimar over there too.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 16, 2020, 07:11:48 am
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.


Nice ones.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 16, 2020, 04:33:43 pm
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.

Suspicious lack of mandalorian/mercenary/scoundrel type of characters !

EDIT: Is this the right BSN ? --> http://bsn.boards.net/
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 16, 2020, 07:41:26 pm
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.

Suspicious lack of mandalorian/mercenary/scoundrel type of characters !

EDIT: Is this the right BSN ? --> http://bsn.boards.net/

Yes, that's the one.

Here are some of my characters


I have joined a BSN BOard guild today in SWTOR. It's just a little fun guild for hanging out.
Did some pvp today and still got the hang for the healer (smuggler and agent). I'm glad, I haven't lost my touch.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 16, 2020, 07:52:41 pm
Here are my two main characters, a Jedi Knight, a Sith Sorceror, and a new character.

Suspicious lack of mandalorian/mercenary/scoundrel type of characters !

EDIT: Is this the right BSN ? --> http://bsn.boards.net/

Yes, that's the one.

Here are some of my characters


I have joined a BSN BOard guild today in SWTOR. It's just a little fun guild for hanging out.
Did some pvp today and still got the hang for the healer (smuggler and agent). I'm glad, I haven't lost my touch.

Well I tried my Sith Sorceror today did a couple of Heroic missions, and found that the enemies during those missions are no longer damage sponges.  That was the part I dreaded, fighting one enemy would take forever.  But now they go down pretty quickly as they should, since my character is the max level for the planet.

What's the name of the guild?  Maybe I'll check it out.  My username is DTalyn, and my characters names I don't know lol.  I got them from the random name generator in game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 17, 2020, 08:02:17 pm
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 17, 2020, 08:48:07 pm
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.

Thank you Fyli. I would appreciate it. I'm a bit skeptical about going to the Bioware community but... if it's anything like you and Talyn82 then I'm sure I will have a grand time.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 17, 2020, 11:00:11 pm
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.

Thank you Fyli. I would appreciate it. I'm a bit skeptical about going to the Bioware community but... if it's anything like you and Talyn82 then I'm sure I will have a grand time.

Well I only hang out on the DAO and DA2 sections.  I avoid the DAI section for spoilers.  It was because of my curiosity the whole Solas arc was spoiled.  I avoid the DA4 section for both spoilers on DAI and toxicity.  There's also a Mass Effect section and general gaming section.  I sometimes hang out there helping people with KOTOR.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 18, 2020, 03:16:26 am
Well I only hang out on the DAO and DA2 sections.  I avoid the DAI section for spoilers.  It was because of my curiosity the whole Solas arc was spoiled.  I avoid the DA4 section for both spoilers on DAI and toxicity.  There's also a Mass Effect section and general gaming section.  I sometimes hang out there helping people with KOTOR.

Oh lord... the Mass Effect section... I'll have to bring serious armament into that one !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on February 18, 2020, 03:24:58 am
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 18, 2020, 03:41:22 am
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙

Greetings neonate!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 18, 2020, 04:18:08 am
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙

Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on February 18, 2020, 04:24:05 am
Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
My main character is Sith Sorcerer, which is all lightning based. Maybe that's why I suck at flashpoints all the time. I also recently finished story as Vanguard Trooper and she is mostly helples without 4X to tank.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 18, 2020, 05:26:00 am
Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
My main character is Sith Sorcerer, which is all lightning based. Maybe that's why I suck at flashpoints all the time. I also recently finished story as Vanguard Trooper and she is mostly helples without 4X to tank.

I'm a level 65 lightning based Sith Sorceror as well.  I don't do any flashpoints.  In fact even though it's an mmo, I play the game as if it were a single player game.  That does not mean I do not like to socialize.  At one time I had a guild with a few members but we were tight.  I also try to help out other players when they're in a tough fight.

But anyway I've been playing for free, because I get paid two weeks from now so I can't subscribe yet.  So I am sticking to mainly story missions.  Once I subscribe I'll do the Heroic quests to get better gear. 

One thing I never understood is.  Why can't we get good gear doing story missions?  The gear you get from story missions is always less than what you get doing Heroics.  I got a ton of Heroic missions to do for planets I already visited in the past.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 18, 2020, 07:38:13 am
I have to look it up, I always call it the BSN guild. They only let people in, they know - I can ask them, if you want. But it might be a few days, I have some real life stuff coming up and won't be able to be online much.

Thank you Fyli. I would appreciate it. I'm a bit skeptical about going to the Bioware community but... if it's anything like you and Talyn82 then I'm sure I will have a grand time.

I was answering Talyn about the BSN guild in SWTOR. Everyone can join the forum, you just have to create an account there.
There is nothing to worry about, the people there are mostly nice. I didn't have troubles so far.

Also, welcome Jenya
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 18, 2020, 07:40:34 am
Hello there fellow bioware fans 💙

Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !

I have four scoundrels and only a few sith and jedis. Scoundrels rule, there is no better class. As a matter of fact, two of the three characters, I showed in one of my last posts, are scoundrels, the Mirilian and the Twilek.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 18, 2020, 07:47:35 am
Welcome to our haven... within our haven.

Currently the folk here were commenting on their SWTOR builds. Many sith and jedi... yet no scoundrels on sight !
My main character is Sith Sorcerer, which is all lightning based. Maybe that's why I suck at flashpoints all the time. I also recently finished story as Vanguard Trooper and she is mostly helples without 4X to tank.

I thought sorcerers are one of the most powerful classes in terms of damage. My sorceress has the lightning tree too, but I might rescill her to healing. I love the healer role the most.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on February 18, 2020, 07:53:08 am
I thought sorcerers are one of the most powerful classes in terms of damage. My sorceress has the lightning tree too, but I might rescill her to healing. I love the healer role the most.

They are, but my Sorcerer is pretty much useless in close combat and that's her greatest weakness. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 02:53:23 am
I'm thinking about stop playing as my Sith Sorcerer and start playing Jedi Guardian again.  I reached a point with my Sorcerer where I need better gear, and to do that I need to do Heroic missions, but since I can't subscribe at the moment, I don't get any new gear doing Heroics.  No problem, I will continue with my Jedi Guardian or maybe create a Sith warrior.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 19, 2020, 03:22:32 am
I have four scoundrels and only a few sith and jedis. Scoundrels rule, there is no better class. As a matter of fact, two of the three characters, I showed in one of my last posts, are scoundrels, the Mirilian and the Twilek.

That's my girl !

I'm a bit surprised classes don't receive expansions or specializations of some kind... might be wrong about that though but I am curious because I've always liked Bioware's class specialization approach in their RPG's.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 04:28:55 am
I have four scoundrels and only a few sith and jedis. Scoundrels rule, there is no better class. As a matter of fact, two of the three characters, I showed in one of my last posts, are scoundrels, the Mirilian and the Twilek.

That's my girl !

I'm a bit surprised classes don't receive expansions or specializations of some kind... might be wrong about that though but I am curious because I've always liked Bioware's class specialization approach in their RPG's.

You mean like Soldier -> Jedi Guardian in KOTOR?  If so yes you can.  For example in SWTOR you can specialize a Jedi Knight into either a Jedi Guardian or Jedi Sentinel.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 05:29:16 am
I've been messing around with the character creator.  Here's a look I may choose for Sith Juggernaut.  Except for the jewelry he kinda looks like Naga Sadow, the Dark Lord who brought destruction to the ancient Sith Empire.

Does anyone know how to post a screenshot within the post?  I mean not at the bottom but within the main post?

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 19, 2020, 06:05:42 am
Talyn:He looks badass.
I don't think you can post a picture in a post, only as attachment.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 19, 2020, 08:12:57 pm
Hey talyn82: I talked to Kaidan, our guild leader and she has agreed to invite you and see how things are going. I'll give you my character names and you can contact me, when I'm online, I will let Kaidan know (I don't remember all her toons, but I can contact her via Discord).:

Here are my characters:
Imperium (all normal names, my Legacy name Lovecraft is displayed as The Lovecraft legacy unter the names, that already have a surname):

Myca Vykos
Kaiya Loran
Fylimar (:P)
Fyliana


Republic:

Lia Asari
Janeí
Marei Kaldwin
Liya Vykos
Miya Soral
Fyliara

If I'm not online (due to different time zones, I'm from Germany), then write me a message over the BSN board.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 19, 2020, 08:24:45 pm
Hey talyn82: I talked to Kaidan, our guild leader and she has agreed to invite you and see how things are going. I'll give you my character names and you can contact me, when I'm online, I will let Kaidan know (I don't remember all her toons, but I can contact her via Discord).:

Here are my characters:
Imperium (all normal names, my Legacy name Lovecraft is displayed as The Lovecraft legacy unter the names, that already have a surname):

Myca Vykos
Kaiya Loran
Fylimar (:P)
Fyliana


Republic:

Lia Asari
Janeí
Marei Kaldwin
Liya Vykos
Miya Soral
Fyliara

If I'm not online (due to different time zones, I'm from Germany), then write me a message over the BSN board.

That's great news!  I know my Legacy name is Mavru, but I don't know my characters names at the moment, since they were randomly generated.  When I get home later I'll look them up
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 19, 2020, 09:34:58 pm
I'm off to bed for today - it's late evening here in Europe. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 20, 2020, 12:45:10 am
I'm off to bed for today - it's late evening here in Europe.

Have a goodnight!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 20, 2020, 07:55:38 pm
Talyn: we might have a problem with the different time zones. If we don't manage to meet each otehr in game, I ask space cowboy, if he would take care of you - you are from the US, right?
I'm probably asleep already, when you come online most of the time :)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 20, 2020, 09:34:21 pm
Talyn: we might have a problem with the different time zones. If we don't manage to meet each otehr in game, I ask space cowboy, if he would take care of you - you are from the US, right?
I'm probably asleep already, when you come online most of the time :)

Yes, I am in the US.  Let's set a date, I'll let you know when I'm awake at your time zone, and if you're not busy we could meet up in game.  I will list my characters name later on tonight.  Or I could do better I'll post pics of them on the main menu.  It displays their names.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 21, 2020, 07:15:15 pm
Talyn: which timezone in teh US do you have? I was thinking, that we maybe could meet ingame on sunday. I don't have to work on Monday (we have carnival here in Germany and I live in a part, where this is a really big thing), so I can stay up a bit longer. If I have 8:00 pm in Germany, you have from 11 am (PT) to 14 am (ET) depending on where you live in the US.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 21, 2020, 08:21:45 pm
Talyn: which timezone in teh US do you have? I was thinking, that we maybe could meet ingame on sunday. I don't have to work on Monday (we have carnival here in Germany and I live in a part, where this is a really big thing), so I can stay up a bit longer. If I have 8:00 pm in Germany, you have from 11 am (PT) to 14 am (ET) depending on where you live in the US.

I live in New York City and the Eastern timezone.  I can do Sunday.

Here are my characters.  Their names are displayed in the upper right.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 22, 2020, 03:34:48 pm
How about Sunday 3 pm your timezone? That would be 9 pm for me.
Where do you want to log in - Republic or Imp? I would come online with Liya Vykos (Vykos is part of the name, not the Legacy name) on Rep side or Fylimar on imp side.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 22, 2020, 07:41:22 pm
Alright I have no problem with that.  As to what side whichever you want.  I have a Jedi Knight that is on Tatooine, and a Sith Sorceror, and Sith Warrior on Balmorra.  Let me know which side you want.:)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 22, 2020, 09:32:57 pm
Alright I have no problem with that.  As to what side whichever you want.  I have a Jedi Knight that is on Tatooine, and a Sith Sorceror, and Sith Warrior on Balmorra.  Let me know which side you want.:)

OK, then maybe republic side and I will be on as Janeì, the smuggler (trying to finalyl get her to level 75). I just talked to space cowboy and he will try to be on too, because he can invite people into the guild. He is from your timezone.

I will take your jedi on my friend list and keep an eye out for you.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 22, 2020, 09:56:31 pm
Alright I have no problem with that.  As to what side whichever you want.  I have a Jedi Knight that is on Tatooine, and a Sith Sorceror, and Sith Warrior on Balmorra.  Let me know which side you want.:)

OK, then maybe republic side and I will be on as Janeì, the smuggler (trying to finalyl get her to level 75). I just talked to space cowboy and he will try to be on too, because he can invite people into the guild. He is from your timezone.

I will take your jedi on my friend list and keep an eye out for you.

Okay no problem.  My Jedi Knight is around his 40's level wise.  But we gain experience fast.  What is the new level cap, 75?  I will also add your character to my friends list.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 08:18:01 am
Yes, 75 is the level cap. Janei is level 68 now. I did some Flashpoint yesterday with two guild members to level up.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 23, 2020, 06:44:02 pm
I'll be on the Republic Fleet.  Like I said earlier since your a higher level than me, I haven't unlocked all the planets for my character.  So I'll be on the Fleet looking for you.  Also I tried adding you to my friends list and it said your character did not exist.  I tried it with my Sith warrior.  Should I try it with my Jedi Knight instead.  You know what I'll try it.:)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 06:55:26 pm
Janeì with an accent over the i. She is smuggler, so I don't think, you can put her on the imperial friend list. At the moment I'm online with Marei Kaldwin, I was planning to sitch later, but if you are online with your Jedi, I find you

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 23, 2020, 07:16:49 pm
I can't go on right now, since I am taking care of my niece and nephew.  But I will post here tomorrow before logging in the game, then I will send my Jedi to the Republic Fleet.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 07:43:52 pm
Ok, I was holding this time spot free to help you get into the guild.

I wil lgive you my characters, all of them - befriend them and if you see me online, whisper me. I don't see any other option to solve this. Befriend the IMp characters with your imp charas and the reps with your jedi.
And jus tcopy the names from here, so you have the correct writing with accents and all:

Rep:
Janeì
Marei Kaldwin
Fyliara
Liya Vykos
Lia Asari

Imp:
Myca Vykos
Fylianna
Fylimar
Fyliana
Kaiya Loran


I can't promise, that I'm online much this week, since I have a lot of real life stuff coming up.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 23, 2020, 08:08:43 pm
Space Dog from the BSN forum has offered to step in. He is from your time zone, so there should be less problems to meet ingame. He can invite you.

Here are a few of his chars on Republic side :

Shintiana
Shinian
Dai-shin
Shintan


I have to look his imp characters up, but if your online with your jedi, look for those characters. HE is online pretty regular.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 23, 2020, 09:39:34 pm
Okay, thank you very much.  I will add those names to both my Jedi and Sith friends list.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 26, 2020, 06:28:44 pm
Not exactly Bioware related but I've just finished Planescape Torment... and oh boy...

*a single manly tear rolls down*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 26, 2020, 07:04:51 pm
I have to play that one day.

I think, I will reinstall DA2 soon, I need my fix. It's one of the games, that is normally always installed (like VTMB), but I didn't come around to install it on my new pc yet.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 26, 2020, 08:18:23 pm
Is it possible to have a gay romance in DA2 ? I know women can with Isabella but I was curious about trying my luck with Fenris one day  :grin:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 26, 2020, 08:37:18 pm
@Highwayman667:  Yeah all of the companions are bisexual.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 26, 2020, 09:26:17 pm
Yeah, Fenris and Anders are Bi, only Sebastian isn't, but who wants to romance Sebastian anyway.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 26, 2020, 09:32:12 pm
@fylimar:  Since my game does not recognize the any of the dlc's I have.  I never met Sebastion, but I do know a lot of people don't like him.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 26, 2020, 09:39:14 pm
@Talyn82: He's not a very entertaining character. I can't imagine playing Origins without Shale but DA2 without Sebastian... pretty cool !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 26, 2020, 10:41:14 pm
@Highwayman667:  Yeah I heard he was a bad character.  At least I'm not missing anything.:)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 05:27:51 am
@fylimar:  I'm not going to be able to get any gameplay done for the rest of the week due to my job.  So I won't be playing SWTOR until next Monday or Tuesday.  I do wanna comeback and wrap up Nar Shaddaa with my Sith Warrior.  I want to also create a new Jedi Guardian because I forgot most of the story.  But I will keep the old one for operations.


I also want to get back into VTMB.  It's been a month since I last played and want to replay as a Tremere again, but this time he will be a persuasive talker.  I also want to replay a Toreador, but this time focusing on auspex and celerity.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 05:38:47 am
@Highwayman667:  I did not see your comment on Planesacape.  What a great game huh?  I have the enhanced edition and want to replay the game.  It's one of Avellone's best games.  Another great game of his if you have not tried it is KOTOR 2.  I know you don't like mods.  But to get the most out of the game you will need to install the restored content mod.  Like the title says it restores a lot of the content that was cut due to Lucas Arts rushing Obsidian to release an incomplete game.  Also the mod fixes several but not all game bugs.


Here is a spoiler free mod build.  Showcasing mods that are lore friendly and restores content and fixes bugs not covered by the restored content mod.  You don't have to install all the mods.  Just install the ones flagged as essential.


KOTOR 2 and VTMB have some similarities.  Both Troika and Obsidian were founded by developers that worked on the original Fallout.  Both KOTOR 2 and VTMB were rushed out the door buggy and incomplete due to greedy publishers.  While KOTOR 2 was Obsidian's first game.  VTMB was Troika's last game.




Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 27, 2020, 05:53:10 am
I won't be online for the rest of the week either.
As for dlcs not showing up,:I have that problem with DAO, I can't play the dlcs anymore. EA helpdesk is not very helpful with this (as with my DAI starting problem)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 06:33:16 am
@fylimar:  With DAO I suggest buying it from GOG.com.  It comes will all the dlc included with the game for one low price.  As for DAI.  Are you using any mods?  Have you searched online to see if others had the same problem, and if they found any solutions?


EA was also worthless when I asked them for help about not being able to access the dlc in DA2.  This is why I wish they'd sell their games through other outlets like GOG.com, because sites like GOG test the game before they make it available.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 27, 2020, 10:42:15 am
I did everything with DAI and at the moment it is a clean install without mods. I can't get it to work, no matter,  what I do. We discussed this a few pages here ago.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 27, 2020, 12:25:26 pm
The hell is wrong with quoting on the forum now  :angry:  ?

@Talyn82: I couldn't hold myself and I AM playing the Enhanced Edition right now. Get ready Falls-From-Grace, I'm coming for you gurl !

And well, I'm not much of a mod guy but I couldn't imagine playing VTMB without Wesp's patch... which is already a mod. If there's something similar that improves the Kotor 2 experience then I won't be passing on that one. Next game though... is for Fyli: Baldur's Gate !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 01:06:53 pm
@fylimar:  I remember discussing this a few pages ago.  I was just thinking it might have been a mod issue.


@Highwayman667:  Did you ever play the original KOTOR?  If not start with that one.  Cause the sequel makes a lot of references to the original.  Plus you need no mods to enjoy the full experience.  Unlike the sequel BioWare had time to finish the game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 27, 2020, 01:14:11 pm
@Talyn82: I have my well-enjoyed 250 hours (aprox) into KOTOR. Wonderful game... though I think Jade Empire beats it... unpopular opinion, I know. I could deffinitely enjoy KOTOR 2 with a couple of mods as well; recently I was even more interested in playing it from seeing a Chris Avellone interview in which he pretty much admits to hating Star Wars, which is just gold:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAdvqAG5goA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAdvqAG5goA)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 07:00:13 pm
@Highwayman667:  In KOTOR 2 there is a great character called Kreia, the dislike Avellone has for SW he put into her.  As you play the game and find out more and more about her, you will see what I mean.  KOTOR 2 is a deconstruction of Star Wars.  In the original game it was a classic story of light versus dark.  In the sequel it's more morally grey, and this narrative is told through Kreia who in my opinion is the best SW character ever. 



But I will not spoil the game for you.  I will let you find out on your own.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 27, 2020, 07:03:30 pm
Yes, Kreia is great. Though you do have at least a morally grey jedi in KOTOR with Jolee Bindo, on of my favorite characters. His personal quest was the most fun - the murder mystery.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 27, 2020, 07:27:25 pm
@fylimar:  Jolee is indeed great.  I love his take on love and how it does not necessarily lead to the darkside.  I mean if you ever read the 'Tales of the Jedi' comics which take place 40 years before and are referenced in both games,  Jedi hooking up with each other and having children was not a strange thing to see at the time.  The original KOTOR was supposed to be based on the comics.  Bastila was supposed to be Vima Sunrider daughter of Nomi Sunrider, but since BioWare could not get permission for the Sunrider name, they renamed the character Bastila.  That is also why the Council in K1 don't make a big deal about Revan and Bastila getting very close to each other. 


Would've been a twist if it turned out the Exile was Kreia and Jolee's love child. lol
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 28, 2020, 03:19:57 am
Damnit Wesp, I want my regular quotes back again !

@Fylimar: You mean the trial at Manaan ? What an amazing quest. Totally crowned the game for me.

@Talyn82: Love in SW is just another victim of the destruction caused by the prequels. I'm really glad we're pretty much over it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 28, 2020, 05:41:15 am
Highwayman:Yes, I meant the trial in Manaan. Really liked the quest.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 28, 2020, 06:07:54 am
Yeah both KOTOR games are classics in my opinion.  The original KOTOR was not only the first Star Wars game I ever played.  It was also the game that got me into Star Wars in general.  My favorite era is the Old Republic era thanks to the games, the 'Tales of the Jedi' comics, and the Darth Bane Trilogy.  The Darth Bane Trilogy was written by the guy who wrote the story for the original KOTOR game.  But he also wrote the imo terrible 'Revan' novel.  But the DB Trilogy is really good and worth a read.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on February 28, 2020, 11:25:50 pm
KOTOR was my first Star Wars game too. I'm not a really big fan of the movies, but I like the universe. We have a Star Wars pen and paper group and that is a lot of fun. The universe can be so much more, than the movies show us.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on February 29, 2020, 01:41:20 am
@fylimar:  I first saw the movies later in life than most people do.  Most people who saw Star Wars either saw them when they were first released, or when their parents first introduced them to the movies.  I was 23 years old when the original KOTOR was released, and thus I was 23 when I first saw all the films except episode 3 because the film was released two years later.


But I agree with you I am more of a fan of the universe which includes the Old Republic EU stories and games.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on February 29, 2020, 04:38:35 pm
Blasphemers. The movies are great... the original trilogy at least.

Whatever the case, Knights of the Old Republic is truly an astonishing game. I was recently discussing with a friend who thought they shouldn't do a remake of it, perhaps an enhanced edition. I couldn't dissagree more, I feel a remake could help with a lot of the issues many people had in regards to the combat systems and the presentation. It's certainly no issue to me but there's a lot of classics out there that would benefit immensely from the kind of treatment the Resident Evil series is currently getting.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 02, 2020, 06:44:05 am
@Highwayman667:  I agree a remake would be great.  but I do not trust EA nor Lucas Films to do a respectable job.  They would most likely inject real world politics, and if the player chooses a male Revan they will diminish his role in the game.


Here's my Sith Warrior wearing the ancient Dark Lord Naga Sadow's armor, and Darth Malak's armor:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 02, 2020, 10:25:14 am
@Talyn82: I don't know, I have particular opinions on that. I don't find it bothersome that there's real life politics in games: nobody except the right-wing snowflakes were bothered with those aspects in DAI. I will agree that it cannot be left to EA to handle it though. That is one company going straight down the drain in terms of quality.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 02, 2020, 04:43:56 pm
@Highwayman667:  I'm just saying I prefer the original story.  That's what made that game great it was the story.  As for EA.  Yeah they're going down the gutter, along with Activision.  I enjoyed DAI.  It was just all the side quests that drove me crazy since I am a completionist.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 02, 2020, 09:24:46 pm
@Talyn82: Same here. I can do 250 hours of the Witcher 3 without batting an eyelash because those quests have A LOT of story and subtance; it's very much completionist heaven because you'll never feel like you're putting work to your own game. The DAI sidequests though... micro-nightmares !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 03, 2020, 09:51:32 am
Ah - finally, I can post again. I was a Firefox victim on this side.
About male Revan being diminuished: I think, the female Revans should be more conscious about that - seeing that a white male (and a mad man on top) is considered canon. I would gladly see them taking that back. As we discussed a few pages ago: giving the player a choice and then taking it away is just mean.

About politics in games: I'm ok with games having a message, especially nowadays, where right wing politics is on the rise again everywhere. But it should fit the game and the setting - and I do like a more subtle approach. I'm not stupid, I can read between the lines. They do botch that at the moment with Doctor Who - trying to hammer in a message every episode, when DW fans are capable to understand a more subtle approach.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 03, 2020, 08:16:01 pm
@fylimar:  I agree if they were to remake KOTOR they should allow us to pick and choose our race and gender.  I just hope this time they create some nice looking male Hispanic heads.  I am Hispanic and never chose those ugly heads in the original or the sequel.


About politics in games.  I don't mind it either.  I mean VTMB was very political.  They injected real life politics into the game, and I still love the game.  It is one of my top favorite rpg's of all time.  My favorite part is when Venus asks you to confess, and one of the choices is "I voted Republican once."  I loved that it was hilarious.  But what I meant before was that I think the original story in KOTOR was great and should not be altered.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 03, 2020, 09:15:48 pm
I think, they did a good job with the Resident Evil Remakes from what I have seen so far - if a new KOTOR would be along that line, I would be more than ok with it.I agree, some of the heads aren't that nice. I don't know much about the male heads, but some of the females weren't great either. I had two favorites: one was an asian woman with a ponytail and the other a black woman - with a different kind of ponytail. THose two looked gret, the rest was a bit meh. But there were great mods back in the day, that gave you more choices for character creation. They even allowed you to play as different races. I played both games as a Twilek once.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 04, 2020, 01:38:33 am
My favorite heads in KOTOR were the white mullet man, and the black bald man.  In K2 the only head I ever used was the white bearded male.  That head to me portrayed an Exiled Jedi wandering the galaxy, and not being able to use the Force.  Perfectly.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 09, 2020, 01:45:30 am
@Highwayman667:  The last time you posted you said you were going to try Baldur's Gate.  How do you find them?  Do you think they still hold up to today?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 09, 2020, 02:21:54 am
Man... are these quotes ever gonna get fixed ?

@Talyn82: Oh boy I most certainly did play it ! Thanks for asking.

So far I find it pretty excellent. It's a bit dated in terms of graphics and engine but it has everything one could ask of a role-playing game. Amazing exploration as well and some of the quests are just utter hilarity. I found a talking chicken yesterday begging me to help him... what a blast.

A slight problem might be that the game is governed by outdated D&D 2nd edition rules, so it is a bit jarring in having to balance the THAC0 with the damage and also trying to line up a backstab with stealth engaged and a BUUUNCH of other stuff, so it's a bit rigid in that sense. I also feel like dialogue might not be as important as it is in other similar games, like Planescape: Torment or the Fallout series. It depends I think. I've just arrived in Nashkel today, which is the start of chapter two.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 08:18:54 am
In Baldurs Gate 1 there isn't much dialigue in the vanilla game. There is a nice mod though, the NPC project, that gives partybanter and even romances.
Baldurs Gate 2 has, in best Bioware Tradition, banter, romances, friendships and more.


I'm trying tanking in SWTOR. I made a Juggernaut and a Guardian (I haven't played those two storyline yet).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 09, 2020, 11:27:43 am
@Fylimar: Interesting, I thought there were already romances in BG1. Still though, just yesterday I managed to recruit one of the most famous companions in videogame history... and his hamster.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 09, 2020, 12:39:59 pm
@Highwayman667:  Glad to hear that you are enjoying the classics.  Like Fylimar said there is no banter or romance since the game was not made by BioWare but Black Isle Studios.  Baldur's Gate II which was made by BioWare has romance and banter.  It was the first game developed by BW.


@Fylimar.  I enjoy both the Sith Warrior and Jedi Guardian storylines.  Especially the Jedi Guardian, it's pretty much a continuation of the KOTOR storyline.  But I have never completed it but seen many references to the classic rpg's.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Jenya on March 09, 2020, 12:41:00 pm
Does anyone interested in Oricon ops?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 09, 2020, 01:20:11 pm
What's Oricon Ops?  I'll do a google search and return.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 05:47:57 pm
@Fylimar: Interesting, I thought there were already romances in BG1. Still though, just yesterday I managed to recruit one of the most famous companions in videogame history... and his hamster.
My favorite character in BG 1 was Kivan the ranger. I was never a big fan of Minsc, his jokes get old fast.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 05:51:59 pm

@Fylimar.  I enjoy both the Sith Warrior and Jedi Guardian storylines.  Especially the Jedi Guardian, it's pretty much a continuation of the KOTOR storyline.  But I have never completed it but seen many references to the classic rpg's.
I'm not the biggest Jedi and Sith fan. I enjoy stories like the smuggler and bounty hunter more. The consular story bored me to death and the sith sorceress isn't that great either. But I try to be the most cheeky jedi and sith in the history of those orders.
I'm a special case in that I like Star Wars more for the aliens and the underworld storylines than the high and mighty Sith and Jedi. I wished, we could have played KOTOR as a non force user and am glad we can do that in SWTOR (plus alien races - yay).

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 09, 2020, 05:55:51 pm
@fylimar: well that's certainly an aspect Bioware seemingly improved. You don't really interact much with the characters as far as I can tell. I am keeping Neera because she talks a lot and I wanted to get Rasaad as well for the same reason but... can't bring myself to kick Jaheira and Khalid out.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 09, 2020, 09:27:03 pm
@fylimar: well that's certainly an aspect Bioware seemingly improved. You don't really interact much with the characters as far as I can tell. I am keeping Neera because she talks a lot and I wanted to get Rasaad as well for the same reason but... can't bring myself to kick Jaheira and Khalid out.
If you play Enhanced Edition (Neera and Raasad are from EE) then you will have romances, I think, but only the new characters
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 10, 2020, 12:50:52 am
@fylimar:  About being able to play different classes other than Jedi or Sith, and being able to choose from various races.  That was the selling point for me.  I love playing as my male Sith Pureblood, and I want to create either a male Cathar Jedi or male Togruta Jedi.  As for the Sith Sorcerer storyline I played a bit of it and enjoyed it, but my Sorcerer is so weak damage wise I had to stop playing him.


But I do want to eventually try the Imperial Agent, Smuggler, Trooper, and bounty Hunter quests.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 20, 2020, 03:44:43 pm
How is everyone doing?  I hope everyone is safe and healthy as well as your loved ones.


@fylimar:  I haven't been able to get any time to play SWTOR, with this virus going around.  But hopefully soon I will get a chance.  The last time I played my Sith Warrior was on Alderaan, close to almost finishing the planet.


Anyway I hope everyone is well.


Take Care!
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 20, 2020, 10:03:54 pm
Thank you Talyn, I am doing well so far. Right now we're in quarantine here in Peru until April. I really hope it doesn't go that far though because I need to work, even if I certainly have enough games to keep myself busy !

Currently I am playing Baldur's Gate and holy shit is that game LOOOONG....

... but also beautiful. I think it's very likely I am going to enjoy the second one, from our dear beloved Bioware.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 20, 2020, 10:22:08 pm
Kinda late but still... speaking of DA2, Sebastian is the worst companion ever, religious hypocrite crybaby and you can't even kill him in the end which is annoying.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 21, 2020, 01:36:44 am
@Highwayman667:  Glad to hear you are doing well.  Over here they are saying the quarantine might last to June.  I also hope it doesn't last that long.  I've gotta work also.  I have been playing VTMB for about 10-20 minutes as a smooth talking Tremere this time around.  I had a Persuasion level of 6 and still couldn't convince the murderer to join the Camarilla. Out  of the four characters I've played it was my Malkavian of all vampires who convinced him.


I also want to replay KOTOR 2 this time as a darksider with the Restored Content Mod.  The darkside in the second game is a lot better than in the original game.


I am glad you are enjoying Baldur's Gate it is indeed a classic.  But the sequel is what put BioWare on the map, and introduces the BioWare formula for rpg's.  I will not speak about either game as not to spoil it for you.


Anyway stay healthy and stay safe!



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 21, 2020, 01:38:44 am
@HappyDeathClaw:  It's never too late to talk about BW games.  Although I own all the dlc for DA2.  My game cannot access them so I never met Sebastion and do not have an opinion of him.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 21, 2020, 02:02:05 am
Kinda late but still... speaking of DA2, Sebastian is the worst companion ever, religious hypocrite crybaby and you can't even kill him in the end which is annoying.


It's never a bad time to mention how Sebastian is just the WAAAAARST. Fylimar will also agree on this one.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 23, 2020, 06:28:27 am
Oh yes, Sebastian is the worst. I don't bother with him anymore.


I'm well for now. Sadly I have lost my job and trying to get a new one in this crisis is a bit tricky. So I will have a lot of time in April.


I'm still playing SWTOR, my main character, smuggler healer Janei, is now level 75 and ready for endgame stuff. Played my mercenary healer yesterday and my jedi knight. The ladies are on Balmorra and Nar Shadaa now.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 24, 2020, 02:02:19 am
@fylimar: real sorry about that fyli. I'm pretty much in the same place and I can't look for another one because we're on quarantine over here. So yeah, great for Baldur's Gate and The Sword Coast but not so much for me.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 24, 2020, 02:20:01 am
@fylimar:  I am also sorry to hear you lost your job.  I too am at risk of being unemployed, and like Highwayman667 said.  With the quarantine it makes it hard to look for a job.


But I recently started replaying VTMB and will soon resume playing SWTOR.  So at least they will take my mind off of things.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 25, 2020, 06:00:57 pm
Thank you and sorry to hear, that you two are in a similar spot at the moment. Hopefully the crisis will be over sooner than later and things will get back to normal. There are still jobs I can apply to, but most of them send emails, that they wait the crisis out before doing job interviews.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 27, 2020, 08:18:24 pm
Speaking of fun with pestilence, I even kinda like it, never saw my city so that empty before, metro especially
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 28, 2020, 11:38:14 pm
People of Planet Vampire... Bioware lovers specially... Shepard calls upon thee !


(http://www.matthew-lang.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc-1.jpg)


Not really, but this quarantine does leave me with time to do a certain thing I always enjoy doing... a ranking !
 
So, here's the deal, Bioware has published these titles (North America release dates):

- Shattered Steel (1996)

- Baldur's Gate (1998)
- MDK2 (2000)
- Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (2000)
- Neverwinter Nights (2002)
- Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2003)
- Jade Empire (2005)
- Mass Effect (2007)
- Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood (2008)
- Mass Effect Galaxy (2009)
- Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
- Mass Effect 2 (2010)
- Dragon Age II (2011)
- Dragon Age Legends (2011)
- Star Wars: The Old Republic (2011)
- Mass Effect 3 (2012)
- Dragon Age: Inquisition (2014)
- Mass Effect: Andromeda (2017)
- Anthem (2019)

The idea is the following, we have 19 games released, most of which we love immensely so... let's rank 'em ! Let's see if we can find some favorites and build a deffinitive top for what we consider is the whole Bioware catalogue.

What I propose if the following: 1 point for games that we've played (because at least we've considered them interesting enough to play... not you Anthem), 2 points for games we like and have enjoyed (more than half of the list) and 3 points for games we absolutely love and believe to be the best of the best when it comes to Bioware material (maximum of 5 games in this category so we can build a decent top 5).

I think it would be a lot of fun to see if our tastes match, if we can agree on which and why the games we choose are the best. Now I just completely made up that "point system" from nothing, so feel free to make suggestions and once we agree, we may begin scoring and defining who... the best among Bioware are truly the best !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 29, 2020, 12:42:46 am
Okay here are mine:
Knights of the Old Republic: 3
Dragon Age Origins: 3
Neverwinter Nights: 3
Baldur's Gate 2: 3
Baldur's Gate: 3
Dragon Age 2: 2
Dragon Age Inquisition: 2
SWTOR: 2
Jade Empire: 1
Mass Effect: 1
Mass Effect Galaxy
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect: Andromeda
MDK2
Anthem


It was tough deciding between the original Knight's of the Old Republic and Dragon Age Origins.  But in the end I chose KOTOR because without that game I never would have heard of BioWare, since I was mainly a console gamer at the time, and yes KOTOR was originally released for the original Xbox.  But once I was hooked into that game it made me want to try their other titles.


The title's with no points I never played.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on March 29, 2020, 04:05:46 am
Well I'll put in mine. If for some reason fylimar or ocassional guest Wilhelm-Streicher want to make a different proposal feel free to do so.

Here's my top:

Mass Effect 3 (3 points)
Dragon Age Origins (3 points)
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadow of Amn (3 points)
Jade Empire (3 points)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (3 points)
Mass Effect 2 (3 points)
Mass Effect (3 points)
Dragon Age II (3 points)
Baldur's Gate (3 points)
Neverwinter Nights (3 points)
Dragon Age Inquisition (2 points)
MDK2 (2 points)

Haven't played yet:

Shattered Steel
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
Mass Effect Galaxy
Dragon Age: Legends
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Mass Effect Andromeda
Anthem

I want to let it be known that I haven't played Baldur's Gate 2 yet (I am finishing Dragonspear Talyn... it is glorious), so I might replace one with the other.

You'll notice from my top that, despite my absolute adoration for the Mass Effect franchise I haven't placed it on top 5, mostly because I didn't want it to take the spot of some very emblematic and well-deserving games of their due praise and accolades. I also gave MDK2 it's due because it is SUCH an underrated jewel.

You'll also notice that I am one of those strange extradimensional beings that feels Jade Empire is QUITE underrated. It is a beautiful game and a Bioware masterpiece through and through. I have my speculations on why it isn't as popular as other titles but it is quite frankly an improved version of Kotor to me.

Games with no points of course are Bioware games I haven't played... yet.

EDIT: A few changes now that I've played Baldur's Gate 2.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 29, 2020, 06:11:49 am
@Highwayman667:  Great list and I am glad you're enjoying Baldur's Gate.  As for Jade Empire.  I think I know that one of if not the main reason why it is underrated, is because BioWare chose to work on that game instead of KOTOR 2.  The original KOTOR was the game that was released before Jade Empire.  This is also the reason why many KOTOR fans dislike the sequel because Obsidian not BioWare created it.  I on the other hand love the sequel and prefer the Exile over Revan. 


But now I'm ranting lets get back on topic.  BioWare choosing to work on Jade Empire and not KOTOR 2 is the reason for the dislike.  Personally I was there when KOTOR was first released and loved the hell out of the game, and wanted more of Revan's adventures.  I too was pissed when I heard that BW wasn't working on a sequel instead they were working on JE.  But I did try JE, but I never got far because at that time I was still heavy into Morrowind as well as KOTOR and it's sequel.


That is why for me it took 15 years to play Bloodlines.  I was still heavy into the games I posted above.  But I do own both the STEAM and GoG versions of Jade Empire and do want to replay it.


So in closing although I am not one of them.  People are still pissed that BW did not create KOTOR 2 to this day.


Oh one thing to know about me is when I post I usually wonder off topic and rant about something else.  It's a side effect of getting older I guess.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 29, 2020, 07:11:53 pm
Played only Mass Effect and Dragon Age 2, and everybody around are yelling at me that I should play DA: Origins first cause it's monumentally awesome, I suppose I'll do it since I have nothing really to do an entire week.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 29, 2020, 07:32:19 pm
@HappyDeathClaw:  Dragon Age: Origins is awesome.  Each race has an Origin story.  For example you could be a human noble, or Dalish elf.  Those are just two examples.  Then after that if you're a Star wars fan I recommend Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on March 31, 2020, 07:22:55 am
Allright I started and immidiately thought (again) if Bethesda could write stories and dialogues like that it would be just priceless, instead they've just ruined Elder Scrolls franchise with their writings like it made in kindergarten for the kids-debiloids.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on March 31, 2020, 09:23:47 am
Yeah Bethesda is not known for their writing.  Morrowind was the exception, and the thing is great writers like Chris Avellone, and Michael Kirkbride known simply as MK worked on Morrowind are freelance now, and Bethesda could hire them, but they choose not too.  Long ago when Oblivion was released they asked Todd Howard what he thought about the writing, and he said they were fine.


I still buy their games however but not for the story but the open world which allows me to roleplay.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on March 31, 2020, 08:13:39 pm
Well I'll put in mine. If for some reason fylimar or ocassional guest Wilhelm-Streicher want to make a different proposal feel free to do so.
Okay here is mine

Dragon Age Origins (3 points)Dragon Age Awakening & DAO DLCs (2 points some DAO DLCs just 1)Dragon Age 2 (2,5 points)Dragon Age Inquisition (1 point)
Baldur's Gate (3 points)Baldurs Gate 2 (3 points)
Baldurs Gate 2 Throne of Bhaal (3 points)
Jade Empire (3 points)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (3 points)
Mass Effect 1 (3 points)
Mass Effect 2 (2 points but the Lair of the Shadow Broker is a 3)
Mass Effect 3  (2,5 points basegame and 3 points with all DLCs)
Mass Effect Andromeda (2 points)
MDK2 (2 points i think)

Haven't played yet:

Shattered Steel
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
Mass Effect Galaxy
Dragon Age: Legends
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Anthem

Best Bioware game = Dragon Age Origins
Worst Bioware game = Anthem (i don´t have to play this to know this)
Overrated Bioware game = Mass Effect 2. I like Mass Effect 2 it has its awesome moments but man its really overrated. Maybe the best Mass Effect on its own but sorry the worst game within the trilogy. But for some gamers it is one of best games ever made and i really don´t unterstand this.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on March 31, 2020, 10:50:22 pm
This is highly unpopular, but Dragon Age 2 is my favorite and most played game. Not a fan of the Mass Effect series, it's too shootery and military (not a fan of that, I hate playing soldiers) and repetitive in my opinion. I quit the franchise halfway through ME 2. Someone told me, that Andromeda was less of all that, so I might give that a try. Will never ever try Anthem - that game looks and sounds boring and not my cup of tea. I watched some Let'S plays and they couldn't convince me otherwise.

Dragon Age II (3 points)
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (3 points)
Dragon Age Origins (3 points)
Baldur's Gate (3 points)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (3 points)
Star Wars - The Old Republic (3 points)
Dragon Age Inquisition (2 points)
Jade Empire (2 points)
Mass Effect 2 (1 points)
Mass Effect (1 points)



Haven't played yet:
MDK2
Mass Effect 3
Shattered Steel
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
Mass Effect Galaxy
Dragon Age: Legends
Mass Effect Andromeda
Anthem
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 02, 2020, 04:36:00 am
Excellent work people. I tallied the scores and gave us our top for Bioware games. It took me a while since I recently started playing Baldur's Gate 2: Enhanced Edition (and utterly fell in love with it's brilliance) so I made a few edits to my top. I also averaged the positions of four games (DAO, BG2, BG1 and KOTOR) because all these scored 12, thus they are universally loved by us... four. This part was critical in deciding our deffinitive top 5.

I discarded fylimar's top though. Her blasphemous comments against Mass Effect were simply outrageous.

JK... love that someone stands for Hawke and the Kirkwall Crew.

ANYWAYS... top 5 comes first:

01) Dragon Age: Origins
02) Baldur's Gate 2: Shadow of Amn
03) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
04) Baldur's Gate
05) Dragon Age II

And following those we have:

06) Jade Empire

07) Mass Effect
08) Dragon Age: Inquisition
09) Mass Effect 3
10) Mass Effect 2
11) Star Wars: The Old Republic
12) Neverwinter Nights
13) MDK 2
14) Mass Effect Andromeda


I am not surprised at all by Dragon Age: Origins coming out on top. It is the product of several years of experience and knowledge that came from the Baldur's Gate series and Neverwinter Nights. It is unquestionably an acumulation of every good thing they ever accomplished in computer role-playing games... the fantasy types at least.

I will stand by my claim however, that Jade Empire is much better than people realize, even more so than Knights of the Old Republic. In reality there's very little that a new title can do when standing against the utter behemoth that is the Star Wars franchise. There's just too much nostalgia, from all fronts, when talking about Knights of the Old Republic. Nothing to get mad about though, both are brilliant games.

However, I loved seeing Dragon Age 2 there. At the time it was realized I hadn't even played Origins and every time I came to the BSN it was PURE CYANIDE against Bioware for the making of Dragon Age 2. I hadn't realized people could be so utterly toxic against a game... but I'm glad that the passing of time has given Dragon Age 2 it's proper acknowledgement as a great game.

Fun facts: both fylimar and wilhelm-streicher completely forgot Neverwinter Nights even existed  :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 02, 2020, 08:24:28 am
@Highwayman667:  About DA2.  I agree the original BSN was toxic towards the game, and it was because of their overwhelming hatred that it took me a long time to play, and I'm glad I did play.  I really like Hawke and crew.  It is a tie between Hawke and the Grey Warden for best protagonist of the series.  I recently started replaying DAI and will see how the Inquisitor's story turns out.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 02, 2020, 12:48:37 pm
Highwayman: Tbh, I just copied your list and arranged it to my taste, I haven't really checked, if all games are on. But NWN would not have been high on the list, I liked NWN 2 much better (and I think, that one isn't made by Bioware)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 02, 2020, 02:59:25 pm
NWN 2 was made by Obsidian. The people who made the brilliant and slightly underrated Pillars of Eternity, as well as Fallout: New Vegas, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Tyranny, The Outer Worlds and so much more awesome sauce stuff in RPG's. Probably deserves it's own topic here...

... rubs chin
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 02, 2020, 06:28:37 pm
I am not surprised at all by Dragon Age: Origins coming out on top. It is the product of several years of experience and knowledge that came from the Baldur's Gate series and Neverwinter Nights. It is unquestionably an acumulation of every good thing they ever accomplished in computer role-playing games... the fantasy types at least.
I must say DAO is without Awakening & DLCs the best game Bioware have ever made. But whole DAO package isn´t that good as Baldurs Gate 2 and its Addon Throne of Bhaal. So my Nr. 1 pick for Best Bioware would Baldurs Gate 2.

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However, I loved seeing Dragon Age 2 there. At the time it was realized I hadn't even played Origins and every time I came to the BSN it was PURE CYANIDE against Bioware for the making of Dragon Age 2. I hadn't realized people could be so utterly toxic against a game... but I'm glad that the passing of time has given Dragon Age 2 it's proper acknowledgement as a great game.
DA 2 is a very good game but also a rushed one. I really wish they had one more year for more maps. Can you imagine if DA 2 has the polish of the DA 2 DLC Legacy and Mark of the Assassin (or just short Tallis DLC) ?This DA 2 won´t likely be as good as DAO because it still hasn´t has the Origins but it would a lot more well appreciated

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Fun facts: both fylimar and wilhelm-streicher completely forgot Neverwinter Nights even existed  :rofl:
Sorry you are right. I completly forget that about Neverwinter Night. Maybe it isn´t memorable enough (atleast for me) . :grin:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 02, 2020, 07:21:39 pm
I have to agree as well with Dragon Age: Origins having some utterly terrible DLC's. Awakening was good but it was also 15 hours long. Compare that to Dragonspear which is almost 30 hours long and offers almost the same amount of content for a game that is nearly twenty years old.

I can't say I was very concerned about the "map problem" in DA2. To my the issue, if any, with that game is that it's a bit streamlined in places where it shouldn't be: no respectable RPG should lack the ability to resolve problems or quests via dialogue, subterfuge or any other mechanic that is inherent to its universe. I felt that, more often than not, Hawke and crew had to hack and slash their way through almost everything to succeed.

And I can see how some people might forget about Neverwinter Nights. It's every single D&D videogame... but 3D.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 04, 2020, 10:59:13 pm
Personally I got extremely bored of mute protagonists, even though DA2 is simplier than Origins I liked it more because of fully ALIVE character.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 04, 2020, 11:56:53 pm
@Happydeathclaw: Same here. I mean... I love Dragon Age: Origins, as we all do here but... no one will ever tell me that their warden (whatever his or her incredible backstory might be) is a better character than Witty Hawke.

It's such a struggle too because a lot of people don't understand how much better it makes the story to have characters that are voiced and organic. I think Bioware made the correct choice to never go back to mute protagonists.

Well. Dread Wolf Arises and... Mass Effect 5 ? Might give us some surprises, though I doubt it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 05, 2020, 10:02:13 am
Well I do love my mute Malkavian in Bloodlines, but Hawke is the best character in the history of video game characters for me. Close second is the female smuggler in SWTOR. If you like witty Hawke, the smuggler is perfect (both genders, I just happen to like the female better).

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 05, 2020, 01:55:21 pm
Well I do love my mute Malkavian in Bloodlines, but Hawke is the best character in the history of video game characters for me. Close second is the female smuggler in SWTOR. If you like witty Hawke, the smuggler is perfect (both genders, I just happen to like the female better).


Hawke may very well be one of the best videogame protagonists, both male and female :shocked: !


And they have different dialogues depending on their class in SWTOR ? I might doubt playing a gunslinger then (is that the name?).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 05, 2020, 08:12:52 pm
I have to agree as well with Dragon Age: Origins having some utterly terrible DLC's. Awakening was good but it was also 15 hours long. Compare that to Dragonspear which is almost 30 hours long and offers almost the same amount of content for a game that is nearly twenty years old.

I can't say I was very concerned about the "map problem" in DA2. To my the issue, if any, with that game is that it's a bit streamlined in places where it shouldn't be: no respectable RPG should lack the ability to resolve problems or quests via dialogue, subterfuge or any other mechanic that is inherent to its universe. I felt that, more often than not, Hawke and crew had to hack and slash their way through almost everything to succeed.

The problem with DA 2 and Awakening & most of DAO DLCs is that they are rushed. Bioware clearly needed more time for them.
I know that map problem is the most obvious one for DA 2. By the way nobody talks about this stuff regarding DAO, Awakening and especially the DAO DLCs but you are right DA 2 features less RPG Options but it still have options to solve some quests peaceful with your Hawke has the right personality, class or the right companion.

And a honest question is Awakening really a good Addon? I haven´t played for some time but the more i think about i only remember mostly the bad stuff like the many Bugs, missing Origins NPC which should be atleast be mentioned, or like you said the playtime.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 05, 2020, 09:26:16 pm
I will say one thing about Awakening that no one ever says: it has the most underrated companions of any Bioware game.

I mean, you have the son of one of your worst enemies (possibly the murderer of your parents), a dwarf that is striving towards a form of suicide, a spirit posessing the corpse of a knight, an apostate mage that likes kitties and a dalish elf that is responsible for a massacre and an updated version of Oghren. I cannot even begin to explain just how much you can get from these characters and the backgrounds and ideas that each carry and to me that was worth a lot in Awakening. Everything else I believe is fair game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 05, 2020, 09:49:56 pm
I am not one of them but some folks had argued in the past that (without the their backgrounds) Anders and Velanna are just bland copies ofAlistair and Morrigan. I don´t agree with them but i can see where they coming from.But i agree on Oghren that ruined his momentum at the End of DAO and made him a drunk again. Yes he has a child with Felsi but he isn´t a updated version. He is just the drunken fool and for taste a lot more awkward than DAO.Sigrun is fine as Addon companion i think but i wish they done more with her.
The only companions who gets all praise are Nathaniel and Justice.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 06, 2020, 11:22:06 am

And they have different dialogues depending on their class in SWTOR ? I might doubt playing a gunslinger then (is that the name?).
All classes have different dialogues. The smuggler (gunslinger is one of the professions of the smuggler) has the most sassy ones. It does remind me of purple Hawke or the tv show Firefly. The bounty hunter is close second in that regard. Plus the voice actress of female Hawke voiced the female imperial agent - lot of good reasons for SWTOR  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 06, 2020, 04:33:22 pm
Mute Malk it's... just... not right
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 06, 2020, 08:01:25 pm
Mute Malk it's... just... not right

Don't we... have mute malks already ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 07, 2020, 03:02:10 pm
Errr... filymar said that she loves her mute malk
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 08, 2020, 07:55:44 am
Yeah, because we were talking about voiced and not voiced characters and since the player characters in Bloodlines are most obviously not voiced, I called my Malk mute. English isn't my first language, so if that was wrong wording, just say so  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 08, 2020, 08:13:50 pm
Bloodlines on DA2 engine, that would be brilliant...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 08, 2020, 09:39:24 pm
I think one of the biggest takeaways from DA2 is that, most of the time, personal stories are more powerful than gargantuan epics.

Sure, there's room for everything but it seemed a bit tacked in DAI when we were asked to "save Thedas again" after we had already done it in Origins. I wonder what exactly will the story be in DWR, will we unite the armies of Tevinter and Par Vollen to fight against the armies of Solas ?

Sounds boring already.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 09, 2020, 01:09:53 am
90% of all rpg's are all about saving the world.  There are a few that are about the personal journey.  Planescape: Torment is an example of an rpg that is about the personal journey.  KOTOR 2 is another game like that.  Come to think of it both games despite being written by Chris Avellone have some similarities.  Like both protagonists atoning for past crimes.  There's also a Sith Lord who can't die like the Nameless Hero.



I enjoy games like that are about the individual and not the world/universe.  So I really liked Hawke's journey.  One of the most memorable and horrific moments was when his mother is kidnapped, and you have to track down her kidnapper.  The outcome is horrendous. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 09, 2020, 02:29:32 am
Baldur's Gate 2 is totally a personal journey as well. You're just trying to save your friend from Irenicus. He's not threatening the world per se.


As for Dragon Age 2 I agree, that point in the story is one of the most brutal parts of the game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 10, 2020, 01:56:13 am
Yes, Baldur's Gate 2 is another one.  Irenicus is one of my favorite D&D villains ever.  That's why characters like the Exile, The Nameless One, the Bhaalspawn, and Hawke are some of my most memorable characters of all time.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 11, 2020, 02:01:58 am
We should open up a thread about games that are more about the personal journey.  I will do it but I have to put a list of games together.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 11, 2020, 04:20:27 am
We should open up a thread about games that are more about the personal journey.  I will do it but I have to put a list of games together.


We can even rank them as well :afro: !



I propose not limiting them to just RPG's as well. I was playing Unreal Gold recently and I found it quite fascinating how the "story" itself (which is more like a simple set-up) is about surviving. Sometimes simple does the work just fine.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 11, 2020, 07:32:44 pm
No need to go too far, in Bloodlines you don't save anything except your own hide.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 11, 2020, 09:12:51 pm
Good point but I think we'd have to debate what constitutes a "personal story". You'd probably say Bloodlines is a personal story because of the objective (who is he/she saving) but I think the scale doesn't make it fully "personal" (LA kindred society is on a crisis after all).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 12, 2020, 06:19:43 am
But there's an option to screw all the societies and end up completely lonely legend or whatever they call it. There's always something happens around and unwillingly or not you're in the middle of it, and then comes your personal story what to do with all this mess, to build your own personal future or to dedicate yourself to some society. In any game at least you have to talk to somebody from some society for the sake of mutual benefits to reach your own personal goals. In RPGs I mean.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 12, 2020, 06:40:49 am
One of the most memorable and horrific moments was when his mother is kidnapped, and you have to track down her kidnapper.  The outcome is horrendous. 


The main fault of greased by a blood mage Meredith and extremely dumb Avelin. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 12, 2020, 09:07:56 pm
One of the most memorable and horrific moments was when his mother is kidnapped, and you have to track down her kidnapper.  The outcome is horrendous. 


The main fault of greased by a blood mage Meredith and extremely dumb Avelin. 


I agree although I like Aveline.  I wish she was a love interest.  I know she lost her husband during the Blight, but the game spans 10 years.  So she had time to mourn his loss.  Especially I have a mod that mslightly tweaks her face making her attractive, but not Barbie attractive.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 12, 2020, 09:52:02 pm
I agree although I like Aveline.  I wish she was a love interest.  I know she lost her husband during the Blight, but the game spans 10 years.  So she had time to mourn his loss.  Especially I have a mod that mslightly tweaks her face making her attractive, but not Barbie attractive.


WHERE'S MAH TOPIC TALYN ?


Speaking of Aveline (who is a beautiful character in DA2) I loved her little war table mission against Sebastian in DAI. I just loved imagining her leading the city forces and telling Sebastian to stick his grievances where the chantry can't hear them.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 12, 2020, 11:46:32 pm
@Highwayman667:  Right on it, SIR!



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 13, 2020, 12:06:28 am
Especially I have a mod that mslightly tweaks her face making her attractive, but not Barbie attractive.


I use this one https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage2/mods/2522, vanilla Aveline is really ugly
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 13, 2020, 12:13:07 am
But usual favorite team is Isabela - Varric - Merril, those three are the best.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 13, 2020, 12:49:06 am
Quoting is not working for me.


@Happydeathclaw:  That is the mod I use.  I agree vanilla Aveline is ass ugly.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 13, 2020, 10:29:58 am
Talyn: Aveline already is attractive, no need for mods imo.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 13, 2020, 10:32:21 am
My Dreamteam is Varric, Isabela and Aveline. I nowadays mostly play mages, since I don't like Merrill and Anders is starting to going on my nerves too.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 13, 2020, 03:24:34 pm
My dream team is Anders, or Bethany, Varric, and Aveline or Carver.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 13, 2020, 06:57:05 pm
My team is Bethany, Varric and Isabela... or Fenris (love that elf bastard).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 14, 2020, 01:29:31 am
I like Fenris.  I just have a hard time making two handed warriors survivable in the first two Dragon Age games.  In DAO both Sten and Ohgren are permanent fixtures of my camp.  I never use them.  In DA: Inquisition my Qunari two handed warrior is a beast.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 15, 2020, 07:38:59 am
Bethany is temporary which is unfortunate (bloody templars), I supported them once, or rather forced myself to support them just to see the ending which makes no big difference. All those ridiculous "holy" orders, "holy" knights, "holy" crusadres and such clowns, the ancestors didn't like that sort and so do I


(https://poster3.radikal.ru/2004/e4/3e9a583df6c1.jpg) (https://radikal.ru/video/3FuIVZzmiTH)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 15, 2020, 08:45:31 am
I never could bring myself to support the Templar in DA2. Meredith and a lot of her cronies were just too messed up.
I did support the Templar in DAI once, that felt better. But the mage quest is more interesting, so I normally do help the mages there too.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 15, 2020, 07:36:35 pm
Whole that circle thing is just wrong from the very beginning if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 15, 2020, 09:05:27 pm
@Happydeathclaw:  That is why I always choose the mages over the Templars.  I like in DAO if you complete the game and make the ultimate sacrifice as a mage and make Alistair King, he gets rid of the Circle of Magi in your honor.  So mages in Fereldan will be free.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 15, 2020, 09:14:01 pm
@Talyn82: WHAT. ARE. YOU. TALKING. ABOUT ??? I had no idea this happened. How does that translate to DAI ? Do you get some special quests with that background ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 15, 2020, 09:33:13 pm
I think by DAI the circles are all gone. I think apart from Connor, you never learn, what happened to the Ferelden mages like Irving, Petra, they guy who hid in that cupboard or the others. Come to think of it, I don't think you learn about the templars either, apart from Cullen. I would like to know, if Irving and Greagoir were still alive and if not, they should have gotten a mention imo (maybe during the conversation with Connor).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 15, 2020, 10:24:01 pm
@Highwayman667:  I don't know if it changes anything.  I only played 100 hours of DAI and only saw half of the story.  The rest was doing asinine quests like chasing a Halla for the elves.


@Fylimar:  Connor is in DAI?  If you made the deal with the succubus demon in DAO, does Connor become possessed?  Cause the demon said she would possess him in 10 years.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 16, 2020, 02:56:36 am
@fylimar: It's a bit strange that they didn't get war table missions, like Aveline and Sebastian. Would've been a lot of fun to have on of those. To me at least since more and more I discover I was the only person who liked the war table :'( ...


@Talyn82: You ONLY played 100 hours... nothing at all :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 16, 2020, 08:59:40 am
Yes, Irving and Greagoir should have at least gotten a war table mission - or a mention, if they were dead.
Talyn: Yes, Connor is in Redcliff, if yyou decide to go to the mages. You can talk to him and he is really sorry about what he has done. I don't know, if he is there or alive at all, if you did the deal with the demon. I never did that and I never killed him, so Connor is a normal, very melancholic young man in DAI.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 16, 2020, 01:34:13 pm
First Aveline is beautiful the way she is. Second every party without Sebastian is great.My favourites are all female (Femhawke, Aveline, Isabela and Merrill), Classic (Hawke, Aveline, Varric and Anders) andof course I hate you and you too but they are very effective (Anders, Fenris and Merrill)

I think by DAI the circles are all gone. I think apart from Connor, you never learn, what happened to the Ferelden mages like Irving, Petra, they guy who hid in that cupboard or the others. Come to think of it, I don't think you learn about the templars either, apart from Cullen. I would like to know, if Irving and Greagoir were still alive and if not, they should have gotten a mention imo (maybe during the conversation with Connor).
I assume some have died during the blight (Petra?) or at the conclave (Irving and Greagoir), become a Venatori or a Red Templar.
Official is are these guys. Along Samson Carroll (DAO Cookies Templar) and Paxley (Kerans recruit friend) are become Red Templars.Carroll was slain during the Puppetmaster quest and Paxley like Samson and all Red Templars won´t live any longer.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 16, 2020, 02:15:36 pm
Wilhelm Streicher: Yay for Aveline being beautiful. And you're right, Sebastian doesn't belong in any party.
I would have liked if the game had told us, what happened to Irving and Greagoir. They were a big part of DAO. I can understand, that they haven't given us the fate of Petra (although they did throw Carroll at us again), but Irving and Greagoir should have at least been mentioned. I would think, that they are among the reasonable fractions of mages and templar and therefore might have been at the conclave to help bringing peace, but they might as well have been somewhere else entirely, maybe trying to reason with the feuding mages and templars in the Hinterlands or helping people that are caught in the war - both things, I can see them doing. Or they might have died before, Irving wasn't exactly young and it was more than twelve years since the events of DAO.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 16, 2020, 02:34:43 pm
Wilhelm Streicher: Yay for Aveline being beautiful.
I see her as Hawke best friend more than Varric. She really cares for Hawke and unlike Varric she is there if Hawke reallyneeds someone after Leandras death.

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And you're right, Sebastian doesn't belong in any party.
There is no point in him when you have Varric as option but some of his banters are fine i guess. This had more to do with reactionsof other companions rather than Sebastian himself.

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Or they might have died before, Irving wasn't exactly young and it was more than twelve years since the events of DAO.
Maybe this version of the DAO Epilogue for Greagoir still have happen. The Cullen is of course not Canon but maybe Bioware have replaced Cullenwith Hadley (the templar guy from the Witch Hunt DLC.
Circle not given independence “Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Epilogue_(Origins) (https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Epilogue_(Origins))
And Irving was the last time mentioned in the Asunder novel (i wish they have kill him there but i assume that he was killed alongside Adrian)
"Irving is alive and present at the conclave of the College of Magi in 9:38 Dragon. He is the one who asks Rhys to step in and lead the Aequitarins  after the death of Wynne. He is also present at Wynne's funeral."
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Epilogue_(Origins) (https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Epilogue_(Origins))

I personally was really upset and disappointed that besides Connor no one form Redcliffe had returned. Where was Bella and her Grey Warden Tavern? Also what was the point in returning to Haven and not mentioning Brother Genetivi or the big Dragon regardless if the player has killed it or not.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 16, 2020, 03:09:21 pm
Varric wasn't there when Leandra died ? Fuck... even Isabela gives him some comfort.


As for Sebastian Vael, I think it was perhaps too ambitious an idea too handle. He was written by Jennifer Hepler who was responsible for some really large contributions in both the lore and questlines of DAO: https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Jennifer_Hepler (https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Jennifer_Hepler)


Now the reason why I mention this is because I do appreciate what they were trying to do with Sebastian; he was a needed chantry perspective in Hawke's crew. We had Leliana in Origins and that allowed us to take sides and debate about the necesity of the chantry in southern Thedas. It's just so sad that the character just seemed to be such an unlikable Ken doll. I've almost romanced Leliana in most of my playthroughs because that's just how cool I think she is, despite believing in some imaginary old sky man. Sebastian, unfortunately, hits no boxes whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 16, 2020, 03:34:52 pm
Varric wasn't there when Leandra died ? Fuck... even Isabela gives him some comfort.
Maybe he said someone in one banter but he has no cutscene dialoge with Hawke about Leandra.He is more concern who Hawke is dating.

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As for Sebastian Vael, I think it was perhaps too ambitious an idea too handle.
I know the exact reason why Sebastian has fail because originally Bioware want to bring back Nathaniel Howe but because of Nathaniel possible execution (How can you possible explain this?) and two returning Awakening companions are one to many.So they used the writen DA 2 Nathaniel stuff and changed it for a new character named Sebastian Vael.


Also i assume after Velanna Nathaniel was the next candidate as host for Justice before they finally decided that Anders should be the Justice host.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 16, 2020, 03:50:56 pm
Interesting ! Then again Nathaniel Howe wasn't a chantry followe (to my knowledge) whereas Sebastian was, so it seems clear to me that Hepler wanted to do something with the concept of a faithful follower of the maker but somehow bungled it up and made a character that didn't mesh well with the players and the crew.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 16, 2020, 04:03:00 pm
Interesting ! Then again Nathaniel Howe wasn't a chantry followe (to my knowledge) whereas Sebastian was, so it seems clear to me that Hepler wanted to do something with the concept of a faithful follower of the maker but somehow bungled it up and made a character that didn't mesh well with the players and the crew.
I assume her intention with Sebastian was a companion who interacted a lot more with DA 2 major NPC Grand Cleric Elthina whois DA 2 representation of the church theme. Also one of the hardest decision (if you personal agree or not) is the fate of Anders after the church bomb.With Sebastian as DLC the player has a lot more interacted with Elthina and care a lot more of her death and the others.

And No Nathaniel wasn´t that big into the chantry stuff in DAA. To the contrary Anders has a lot more to say about the chantry than Nathaniel.Nathaniels theme was vengeance in DAA but this was solved quickly in DAA after he had learn the truth. So there was no big story for Nathanielrather been Justice host. I totally unterstand why Nathaniel was scrapped in DA 2. Atleast he got a cameo in DA 2 and that was more than enoughform a storytelling point of view.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 16, 2020, 04:16:28 pm
Sebastian is an awful companion. It doesn't help, that I don't care much about religion, but he isn't even well written. His tantrum in teh end of DA2 was just cringeworthy. I would have find it better, if he just had killed Anders and be done with it, even if it meant, that the group has no healer. As it is, he came across as a weak and whiny brat, who hadn't the stomach to kill the guy who was responsible for the death of a woman that was like a mother to him and condems his friend Hawke, if they won't do it either. And then he builds an army to invade a city, to get to Anders, whom he had the chance to kill right after the event. They really lost me there.Sebastian has managed to throw Anomen Delryn from the top of my list of most hated companions (although it's pretty close - Anomen is a really bad companion).
Somehow, the Sebastian dlc didn't even manage to make me like Elthina more - I still find it wrong to kill her (and possible many other people inside and around the church during the bombing), but that is more my sense of morality than me liking or agreeing with her. I would have found it wrong, even if it was Sebastian inside the church (well... maybe not ... just kidding, it's wrong). I think, Elthina could have done more to help the situation with the mages and templars, but she decided to stay absolutely neutral and do nothing.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 16, 2020, 05:15:52 pm
Sebastian is an awful companion. It doesn't help, that I don't care much about religion, but he isn't even well written. His tantrum in teh end of DA2 was just cringeworthy. I would have find it better, if he just had killed Anders and be done with it, even if it meant, that the group has no healer. As it is, he came across as a weak and whiny brat, who hadn't the stomach to kill the guy who was responsible for the death of a woman that was like a mother to him and condems his friend Hawke, if they won't do it either.
Yeah DA 2 really should have an option to let Sebastian kill Anders but Sebastian has an DLC so an afterthought.

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And then he builds an army to invade a city, to get to Anders, whom he had the chance to kill right after the event.
Best / worst thing Anders or his mages friends in Kirkwall at the time of his stupid invasion. So of course he chose the Cullen Wartable option
to let Aveline kick his whiny ass.

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I still find it wrong to kill her (and possible many other people inside and around the church during the bombing), but that is more my sense of morality than me liking or agreeing with her. I would have found it wrong, even if it was Sebastian inside the church (well... maybe not ... just kidding, it's wrong). I think, Elthina could have done more to help the situation with the mages and templars, but she decided to stay absolutely neutral and do nothing.
Is it really that wrong? We see Elthina and Thedas church as innocent because of the real world but lets not forget that Elthina was as grand cleric
Meredith superior. She could have taken actions to replace mad Meredith but she stay neutral and did nothing. Meredith on the other hand even if Anders hadn´t done anything would have kill every circle mage and had already requested behind Elthinas back the Right of Annulment.
I know Anders or should i better say Justice actions were wrong but they give the Kirkwall mages a fair chance against the templars.
Anders could had killed Meredith but what´s the point in doing that? Yeah she deserved that but she would been likely replaced with someone worst. Meredith previous crimes would justified to done much worse.And if he hadn´t done everything like i said Meredith would had said that every Kirkwall had deserved that fate because of the previous Right of Annulment a few years ago in Ferelden nobody had questioned her decision.So Anders had no chance rather than to blow up the chantry so that everyone in Thedas takes note from this terror act.
To Anders / Justice credit he wanted to die and been punished for this but he also had try other options before but Meredith wants to kill all mages or want to make them all tranquil. And Elthina did absolutly nothing to solve this mess.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 16, 2020, 09:30:22 pm
In Sebastian's defense (what a strangely weird thing to say)... he was asking for justice, not murder; that's why he addressed Hawke directly, because he wanted him, as champion or viscount of Kirkwall, to take action in this matter. It seems logical that he just wouldn't pull a knife on Anders because he clearly saw that as murder.

Also, if he just murders Anders then you're taking away the decision from the player and that just wouldn't have been cool. That's why he has to make the request to Hawke.

As for his DAI mission there's also a difference: He's trying to locate Anders by facing his associates in the city. No person, no matter how good an archer you are, can stand against a ton of mages. He obviously gathered an army to take Kirkwall and find these associates with enough support. Obviously that would affect the citizens of Kirkwall, and that was the kind of shit our dear wonderful Aveline was not going to stand.

All in all, I did see the point in Sebastian and the ending made sense to me, I just found that him as a character was rather uninteresting and profoundly difficult to empathize with. He also took my Hawke's spot as "the other archer"... what a dick.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 16, 2020, 09:45:01 pm
In Sebastian's defense (what a strangely weird thing to say)... he was asking for justice, not murder; that's why he addressed Hawke directly, because he wanted him, as champion or viscount of Kirkwall, to take action in this matter. It seems logical that he just wouldn't pull a knife on Anders because he clearly saw that as murder.
Sorry but Sebastian wants Anders dead.


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Also, if he just murders Anders then you're taking away the decision from the player and that just wouldn't have been cool. That's why he has to make the request to Hawke.
And where is the option "No i don´t want to kill a (former) friend  but i unterstand your feeling so you have do it yourself.

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As for his DAI mission there's also a difference: He's trying to locate Anders by facing his associates in the city. No person, no matter how good an archer you are, can stand against a ton of mages. He obviously gathered an army to take Kirkwall and find these associates with enough support. Obviously that would affect the citizens of Kirkwall, and that was the kind of shit our dear wonderful Aveline was not going to stand.
There is no point in this invasion Anders is gone and all the other mages and most of their supporters have left Kirkwall.Kirkwall is after Anders actions full of templars which mostly are corrupted by Red Lyrium.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 16, 2020, 10:52:07 pm
Wilhelm how are you able to quote ? SHARE THY KNOWLEDGE !

To clarify, when I said Sebastian wanted justice I meant that he wants Anders' head. But as he says, he's not just going to oppose Hawke's decision and stab Anders', specially when he knows Hawke might dissagree and thus escalate the violence. I don't exactly share Sebastian's feelings or perception of justice, to be clear.

The problem of why Sebastian can't also just go ahead and kill Anders, to also clarify, is because if he just does it, then players can't decide what happens to Anders because Sebastian has already used the murder knife. The choice still has to exist for players, thus Sebastian defers to Hawke.

Well, the invasion might be a questionable thing, but then again Sebastian also wanted to avenge the Kirkwall chantry and thus he was going to "lay down his law" on the maleficarum. No matter how pretty and holy his bow was he couldn't do it alone. I don't know if I would say that all the Kirkwall maleficarum would be gone, some might have stayed behind, it's not left very clear.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 17, 2020, 06:25:13 am
I'd gladly change all this hysterical bunch of so called men to Emeric even though he's a templar, beside Varric that's the only male character who worth friendship.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 17, 2020, 09:06:59 am
Emeric was a great character, I was so sad, when he dies. And Varric is of course the best.


Wilhelm: I do agree, that Elthina was a lousy grand cleric. She didn't really do her job right. But I don't think, blowing up a church full of innocent people is the answer.


Highwayman667 : Hawke couldn't possible decide the fate of a murderer, that would have been Aveline or Meredith (because Anders is a mage) job. So at least, Sebastian should have applied to them. The whole end doesn't make sense, even without Sebastian. Why would Meredith or Aveline let Anders go? He confessed his guilt and just sat there
 At least he should have been put into prison (maybe with giving Hawke the opportunity to free him, to not override player decision). This bugs me a lot.
Another thing, I don't like, is Orsinos transformation into the Harvester, when you side with the mages. He didn't have a reason for that. Nowadays, I use a mod, that erase this part and Orsino is alive and happy in the end. That makes more sense, when Hawke sides with the mages.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 17, 2020, 10:07:36 pm
@fylimar: I agree that some of those decisions are questionable but I wouldn't say they are completely outlandish, after all, Hawke is a person of standing in Kirkwall by the time Anders commits the crime and thus is capable of making a judgement. And as far as I remember Meredith does directly tell Hawke that it's his problem while she goes to deal with the rogue mages.

All in all I do understand people's gripes with that scene but I think Bioware was aiming to have the players directly involved in that decision. They don't want Meredith, Aveline or anyone else to make that choice, they want YOU to decide what happens when a friend has murdered a great amount of people and it's up to you to judge his actions.

A "prison break" quest for Anders would've been fun but it also would've slowed down the final events of the story. When Anders blows up the chantry, all bets are off, it's Templars VS Mages and nothing else matters.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 17, 2020, 10:21:34 pm
Yeah, I get, what BW was aiming at, but for me, it didn#t work. Literally every person with the right to at least seize Anders for later trial was there and they all left it to some citizen with a fancy title? That was a bit of lazy writing there. As much as I like Bioware or DA2, the end really is cringeworthy. I would have preferred the prison break. Even if it might have slowed the end down. Or maybe Anders escaped with the otehr mages and you have later the opportunity to either get him back into the party or fight and kill him (a bit like Fenris, if you haven't full friendship or rivalry and side with the mages). That way, neither Meredith nor Aveline nor Sebastian would look foolish.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 17, 2020, 10:31:29 pm
I... don't know. I think it's important to understand that this isn't modern times where behavior is considerably more regulated. Justice was a more "loose concept" in the Dark Ages, which Dragon Age often tries to emulate with the stories it presents.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 17, 2020, 11:12:06 pm
Wilhelm how are you able to quote ? SHARE THY KNOWLEDGE !
Are you joking or are your serious? I can´t tell but use the Quote Botton up right or the [] [/] "quote" command.

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To clarify, when I said Sebastian wanted justice I meant that he wants Anders' head. But as he says, he's not just going to oppose Hawke's decision and stab Anders', specially when he knows Hawke might dissagree and thus escalate the violence. I don't exactly share Sebastian's feelings or perception of justice, to be clear.
I fear that you don´t have unterstand what i have said. Hawke should say through a dialogue option to Sebastian: "I can´t kill Anders but i am ok if you kill him.
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Well, the invasion might be a questionable thing, but then again Sebastian also wanted to avenge the Kirkwall chantry and thus he was going to "lay down his law" on the maleficarum. No matter how pretty and holy his bow was he couldn't do it alone. I don't know if I would say that all the Kirkwall maleficarum would be gone, some might have stayed behind, it's not left very clear.
His invasion is pointless because the city is after Anders full of the templars and Seekers. And every mage and their supporters if they are smart have left Kirkwall, joining Alexius or are already dead. Sebastian just started a new war for nothing. He is an idiot.
Wilhelm: I do agree, that Elthina was a lousy grand cleric. She didn't really do her job right. But I don't think, blowing up a church full of innocent people is the answer.
And killing all circle mages is also not right but if Anders haven´t done anything Meredith have killed them all. And you can bet also Circle Bethany.A really evil Hawke has the option to let Meredith kill Bethany.

So tell which other options did Anders / Justice really had? Talk? He tried this the years before. Kill Meredith? Someone even worst like Karras willreplace her. Just kill Elthina with no witnesses? Meredith would likely sweep this under the rug and lie to the public that Elthina have died because her age.Anders goal was of course wrong but he wanted the maximum attention so nobody could possibly ignore what had happened in Kirkwall.

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Highwayman667 : Hawke couldn't possible decide the fate of a murderer, that would have been Aveline or Meredith (because Anders is a mage) job. So at least, Sebastian should have applied to them. The whole end doesn't make sense, even without Sebastian. Why would Meredith or Aveline let Anders go? He confessed his guilt and just sat there
First if you had Aveline in your party along with Anders she wants to bring him to justice after all the fighting is over.And Meredith its crazy i know but that this moment she trusted Hawke in killing Anders because she had more important thing to dokilling all (circle) mages

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Another thing, I don't like, is Orsinos transformation into the Harvester, when you side with the mages. He didn't have a reason for that. Nowadays, I use a mod, that erase this part and Orsino is alive and happy in the end. That makes more sense, when Hawke sides with the mages.
Simple there is no story reason Bioware have told this severall times but Orsino transformation is Bioware felt there should be another boss if the player chose the mages.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 17, 2020, 11:33:41 pm

@Wilhelm-Streicher: Fully serious... almost. It's just not working for me with the buttons and I'm trying to do it manually but it's a bit of a bore.


Now I understand what you meant though with Sebastian. And I guess a scene like that would've been okay. I can only imagine Bioware not doing it due to a scheduling conflict with the actors because that would've needed a new line from Hawke's voice actors but again... that would've suited the ending better.

I don't know about the mages that have left or not because... hey, some might've stayed or some new ones could've entered the city by the time the inquisition is founded, so that was just my guess as to why Sebastian could've invaded.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 17, 2020, 11:43:41 pm
Now I understand what you meant though with Sebastian. And I guess a scene like that would've been okay. I can only imagine Bioware not doing it due to a scheduling conflict with the actors because that would've needed a new line from Hawke's voice actors but again... that would've suited the ending better.

Or the main true reason Bioware already have confirmed severall times that they spent most times of DA 2 development with Act 1 and Act 2.
Act 3 lacked like Bloodlines 1 and its late content the time so they rushed.

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I don't know about the mages that have left or not because... hey, some might've stayed or some new ones could've entered the city by the time the inquisition is founded, so that was just my guess as to why Sebastian could've invaded.
Believe me after Anders actions no mage who isn´t stupid want to live in Kirkwall and all its templars.
Why risk your life when every templar before the Seeker arrival wanted to kill you. Also i would say the majority of the Kirkwall mages had deadwith Orsino either slain through the templars or became a demon.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 17, 2020, 11:57:38 pm
@Wilhelm-Streicher: Sebastian wasn't developed before the release of Dragon Age 2 though. He wasn't day one DLC so he was introduced at a later date.


As for the latter, by the time the Mage VS Templars war started it would've made sense for a group of mages to re-enter Kirkwall and expel the templars there, many of which could've been supporters of Anders' actions years before.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 18, 2020, 08:12:13 am
Highwayman: I'm not necessarily talking about justice but law here. And law was taken very serious in medevial times.


Wilhelm: There are always other ways, if you start to use violence, you lost your argument. Anders escalated the situation for the mages, without their consent. Meredith madness would have come out, maybe without  a full blown war in the streets (and again a lot of dead innocents). Of course I understand, why Anders did it, but I really don't have to agree.


Yes, you can kill Bethany, you also can kill Fenris or Merrill under certain conditions.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 18, 2020, 10:51:25 am
@Wilhelm-Streicher: Sebastian wasn't developed before the release of Dragon Age 2 though. He wasn't day one DLC so he was introduced at a later date.
Of course Sebastian Vael was a Day One DLC Companion and besides his personal quest all of dialogues (banter with other companions or other quest remarks) were recorded with all the other companions.

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As for the latter, by the time the Mage VS Templars war started it would've made sense for a group of mages to re-enter Kirkwall and expel the templars there, many of which could've been supporters of Anders' actions years before.
Why should the Mages do that? They aren´t that many and Kirkwall is with Templars, Seekers and church people not the place to be right now.Also why should they risk that when they more or less protected in Redcliffe or other parts in Ferelden?
Wilhelm: There are always other ways, if you start to use violence, you lost your argument. Anders escalated the situation for the mages, without their consent. Meredith madness would have come out, maybe without  a full blown war in the streets (and again a lot of dead innocents). Of course I understand, why Anders did it, but I really don't have to agree.
You can be the biggest believer in pacifism and condemned all the violence in the world but if your enemy is only interested in killing you andthe rest your minority group how cares about losing the argument? Its only survival that´s mattter here.By the way i know its hard not make a Jew resistance argument but please lets stay in the fictional world of Thedas. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 18, 2020, 12:04:38 pm
Lawrd it's true ! Sebastian was Day One DLC :O ! Both the base game and thy "wonderful" character were released on March 8, 2011.


Still, I don't know if I find the arguments very convincing. I think events do develop rather logically in Sebastian's case and even then, Bioware wasn't going to take away the decision from players who decided to take a chance and try out the character. It would be like downloading Shale and having her Smash Loghain's head after you defeat him in the Landsmeet, sure it might have made sense but the writers need to accomodate the narrative in a different way to demand a choice from the player. Same with pretty archer Ken doll.


As for the Kirkwall DAI mission, I am speculating it was mages but "associates" might mean anything if you think about it. He was a healer before he met Hawke and he probably had a lot of contacts in the city. Not just the magical kind.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 18, 2020, 04:34:36 pm
He also was a grey warden and helped Ferelden refugees, he probably has some contacts.

I really would love to play DAI again, especially with all the great mods coming out at the moment, but the game still won't launched. I did everything and it stil lrefuses to play. I'm probably reinstalling DA2 and play that again, even though I nearly know most of the dialogues by heart now.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 18, 2020, 07:12:39 pm
@fylimar: I don't remember if I asked but did you talk to Origin chat support ? They are really helpful. If not, write a formal complaint, it shouldn't be so difficult to fix.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 18, 2020, 10:14:24 pm
Yes, I talked with two members of the support already. They couldn't really help me. Maybe I contact them again, but since it took me over two hours the last time, I'm not keen on it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 18, 2020, 10:29:47 pm
@fylimar:  They never were able to help me access the DA2 dlc, even though I legally bought them through Origin.  That's why I wish EA would sell their games through other outlets like GOG.com or STEAM.  I never had any problems with their games and their dlc.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 18, 2020, 11:42:31 pm
@fylimar: any word on that issue from other Bioware forums ? Any help at all ?


@Talyn82: Greedy fuckers. I rue the day where Origin falls and I have to buy my Mass Effect games and Jade Empire all over again.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 19, 2020, 09:46:18 am
No, I already tried all the suggestions. And I agree with Talyn, Origin sucks, I hate that Portal so much. There are always pr3. They should see, how Steam does it. I never had trouble with a game bought from Steam.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on April 19, 2020, 02:33:17 pm
They see how Steam does it, the thing is Origins and Steam are the opponents who nearly ready to kill eachother. Just like mages and templars.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 20, 2020, 09:58:04 am
Yes, but I know a lot of people, who have trouble with Origins. I really wish, I could just insert my DAI cds and play without falling back to Origin. I can do that with DA2 and DAO, but with DAO, the dlcs aren't working anymore. The support gave me the dlcs for Origin and now guess, how that worked out - yes, they aren't working, because Origin.
Tbh if the problem isn't solved by the time, DA4 is released, I won't be buying it.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 20, 2020, 08:43:43 pm
For a long time I was hesitant to install Origin on my PC.  But my girlfriend at the time was a huge Dragon Age fan, and she wanted me to buy the game for PC.  We would follow the development thread on the old BSN forums.  So to keep the peace and quiet I gave in and bought two copies.  One for me and one for her.  It was only because of her why I bought Inquisition in the first place.  In my defense I was interested in the game but not Origin.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 20, 2020, 09:12:26 pm
I am 110% sure this conversation happened at EA last year:

Doofus #1: "Hey, you know that people who use Steam, GOG and Epic have WISHLISTS for the games they want to buy ? Should we implement that in Origin ?"

Doofus #2: "Sure ! No e-mail notifications when discounts happen though..."

Doofus #1: "Yes sir !"
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Raving_Neonate on April 21, 2020, 07:06:15 am
I could never really appreciate the DA2 after Origins, because I see it largely as "Dragon Age wanting to become Mass Effect", because the bland limiting/simplification of dialogue is something that was not really needed. I think that stung me the most.


I gave the game a chance, played it as long as I could, but I got fed up with the action-oriented mechanics since I mostly play something to immerse myself into the world and I do not like the limitations that "Mass Effect" system of dialogue imposes. There is an astronomic difference in that aspect between DAO and DA2.


No ill will towards those that like it of course, but it is not my piece of cake I guess. That is why I have Origins.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 21, 2020, 02:22:06 pm
I agree that the options that Origins offers are larger and more varied. Still, as I was telling Talyn or Fylimar here, I'd rather have Witty Hawke any day over any character I could create in Origins by virtue of one thing alone: voice acting.

I understand that people appreciate mute protagonists because they allow for broader options of dialogue, but I think The Witcher 3 pretty much disproved the idea that voiced characters can't have as much dialogue options as mute characters. You just have to put a lot of time and effort into the dialogue and recording of the lines.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Raving_Neonate on April 22, 2020, 07:01:48 am
It can be interesting in retrospect how much the dialogue options can affect the feel of the final game. I am not a fan of Bioware titles in particular ever since the advent of Mass Effect, especially Mass Effect 2, because the way someone can limit his own characters with dialogue options (lack of it) is simply astonishing. In Mass Effect I had rarely more than three options to respond, all being stock: good, neutral or bad. I never figured out why they did it, especially a company that made NWN to trade off so much for game flow, I guess.


I agree with Highwayman that there is a charm to a voiced lead actor and that he stands apart from the crowd, but I really cannot imagine that a company of their caliber would forgo the option to voice more lines instead of limiting them. That "shooting in the fans' legs" is what put me off the AAA titles, delegating my trust to the indie scene where some passion and ingenuity can be found, where devs actually care for creating something that can be enjoyed - the release of Bloodstained and Blasphemous only augmented my trust.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 22, 2020, 03:03:38 pm
I agree about Mass Effect. I quit that series halfway through ME2, despite the blooming Garrus romance (and Garrus is a great character), because I was bored to tears with most of the rest. Mordin singing Gilbert & Sullivan was sweet, but the other characters were forgettable and Miranda downright annoying (the Morrigan effect for me). I liked the idea of ME, it borrowed some of it from Babylon 5, which is a good thing for me. And I did like ME1, but ME2 was just so meh. The fighting was repetative, the dialogues were not up to what I normally expect from Bioware and as I said, I didn't like most of the companions apart from Garrus, Mordin and Talis.
I do like voiced protagonists, but our favorite Bloodlines among other games (like KOTOR, BG) shows, that a protagonist doesn't need to be voiced to be cool.
But I also agree with Highwayman, there is simply no better protagonist than purple Hawke (female version for me). I just started a new DA2 game after installing it again, getting the dlcs and installed the mods, I love and of course, Liya Hawke will be sarcastic (and romancing Isabela).
I'm also having fun levelling my SWTOR characters, especially my two tanks Myca Vykos (yes named after THAT Vykos, assassin) and Fyloria (jedi guardian). The jedi sometimes is a bit too good to be fun, but she has some sassy dialogue lines too. And so far, teh jedi knight has great companions. T7 is too cute to be true, Kira is refreshingly sarcastic and Doc is a sleazeball, but he has a heart of gold.
Myca Vykos just has started a ralationship with the pirate Andronikus Revel and has some stress with her Master Lord Zash. This probably won't end well (which would fit the Vykos theme, since Myca/Sascha Vykos didn't go on well with their sire). Myca is a bit nicer than her vampire counterpart though. Coming from slavery, she hasn't lost touch with her humanity and has a weak spot for poor and helpless people. But she gets really vicious, when someone is trying to smartmouth her.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 22, 2020, 06:14:52 pm
Something needs to be cleared up here, for once and for all... in this tiny little topic of this tiny little forum:

There are no "good" or "bad" dialogue options in Mass Effect. There are paragon and renegade dialogue options in Mass Effect.

Some might say this is a distinction without a difference... but that would be incorrect, and that is because in Mass Effect you are forced to be the good guy. There's no room for making evil choices in the game because the story and its structure is already set to follow certain conditions: you can't join the geth, you can't ally with Saren, you can't support the reapers nor do anything at all that is somehow harmful to galactic society. You are the simply the good guy... and that's it.

Thus the choice actually comes down to what kind of good guy you are. Are you an idealist, a paragon that believes all actions should serve a set of higher moral principles we all agree are better for the world ? Or are you a pragmatist that believes the greater good trumps all other considerations and thus is willing to make any sacrifice necessary ? This is why the context matches this moral framework so well, because military operatives face decisions like these very frequently.

Thus, when it comes to the dialogue wheel, you get: a paragon choice (idealistic response), a neutral choice (for complicated issue) and a renegade choice (pragmatist response).

I think it's a valid criticism (slightly) of Mass Effect that there were less dialogue choices in general, but whatever those choices are they were not "good" and "evil". They belonged to a different moral framework than what is usually represented in other CRPGs.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 28, 2020, 11:11:09 am
I'm doing a new playthrough of DA2 with a mage - Alayne Hawke. Mosty sarcastic of course and she probably will romance Isabela.I'm happy that at least DA2 works. It'S one of my comfort games (among Bloodlines, DA2 and both Baldurs Gate games)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 28, 2020, 03:00:14 pm
She looks great !

DA2 is one of the few games where I play with the default look of the character (almost). I mean, who can resist this goddamn glorious beard ?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/da2risingtide/images/d/d9/Garrettboat.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20110616211123)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on April 28, 2020, 03:37:41 pm
I never played male Hawke. For me, Hawke is female - just love the voice actress. She did voice the female Imperial Agent in SWTOR too. Took some getting used to, because the IA is much more regal than Hawke (you have your sarcastic moments though).
I love, that there are still so many great mods coming out for the DA games. There are so many talented people out there (as are of course in our Bloodline modding community).Just now a talented modder named anshela made Witcher armor ports for DA2, they look gorgeous (Alaynes hair in the screenshot is from one of anshelas mods too)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2020, 02:10:33 am
Give it a chance one day ! Nicholas Boulton has UH-MAZING range. I've rarely been able to describe a voice actor as equally good in both the comedic and dramatic aspects of his character.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on April 30, 2020, 07:51:28 pm
I agree.  I usually don't like voiced protagonists because they never sound like what I had imagined, but Hawke's male vo is well done.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 02, 2020, 05:37:22 pm
Hawkes female voice is the best.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 02, 2020, 07:45:42 pm
What about the companions ? Who has the best voice actor among them ?

I'm going to propose Gideon Emery, thy voice of Fenris:

(https://i1.lisimg.com/18568691/280full.jpg)

I could talk about others of course but the reason why I love Gideon's voicework is because everything about how Fenris sounds has its own particular "brand", Fenris is a unique character because of Emery's approach: when Fenris is angry he is viciously mad, when he is being humorous its because he's completely uncomfortable or has no idea what to do or even how to react, when he feels numb, uncaring and indifferent (dat wine bottle scene) he does it in his own particular way. Everything about the character, his speech, his mannerisms, his reactions all feel unique because of Gideon's overall approach and talent.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 03, 2020, 01:28:24 pm
I love Varrics voice actor - he is in a big part the reason, I love that character so much.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 03, 2020, 02:08:19 pm
I think I've mentioned it before but I would deffinitely agree with the War Table returning in DA4... with Varric in it.

Somehow I'd feel it a bit silly to have Varric be a party member and dear friend to three protagonists of the DA franchise. Seems a bit too much to me. It would be fantastic though if he could be part of the team in some other way, perhaps as a Master of Spies like Leliana was. I say this because I am 90% sure (Wilhelm makes me doubt obviously!) that Dorian is coming back as party member.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 03, 2020, 05:58:26 pm
I say this because I am 90% sure (Wilhelm makes me doubt obviously!) that Dorian is coming back as party member.
Of course i will do this.

Here of an old PC Gamer Interview about DAI. "PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game.
Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?

Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.

If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that.
The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?” I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that. We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options. You might see them. Alistair comes back because we can do cameos and have them have an influence on the story."https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/dragon-age-inquisition-interview-on-fan-feedback-romance-returning-characters-and-the-open-world/2/ (https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/dragon-age-inquisition-interview-on-fan-feedback-romance-returning-characters-and-the-open-world/2/)
So Dorian like Leliana and Morrigan before is not an option as returning campanion. But doesn´t mean that Bioware haven´t big plans for Dorian in DA4. Dorian is likely a very important NPC in the game. The faction leader of the Lucerni faction.
But they are of course returning characters as DA 4 companions but they weren´t previous ones. It seems that Bioware prefers secondary / unimportant characters and promote them in the sequel like Isabela, Merrill and Cassandra.So my guess that we get Harding as our returning character as new DA 4 party member alongside with Maevaris Tilani and Calpernia.

"Mark Darrah: The other thing that causes us to bring someone back is someone that we're just simply not done with. That the arc is incomplete. Isabella between Origins and Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that. We introduced her, but there's just a lot more to be done with that. That's actually usually how we choose. Often characters move. We don't reuse followers very often. Obviously, we are reusing Varric. We typically promote secondary characters between games.

PC Gamer: Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion.

Mark Darrah: Yes."
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 03, 2020, 06:18:39 pm
So Dorian like Leliana and Morrigan before is not an option as returning campanion. But doesn´t mean that Bioware haven´t big plans for Dorian in DA4. Dorian is likely a very important NPC in the game. The faction leader of the Lucerni faction.

Holy shit... I completely forgot Dorian was a romance option. Yup, we're done with him. Thanks Wilhelm !

Interesting bit about Isabela though, she could perfectly come back but not as a romance option. I would find that a bit hard to imagine though, she was already eye candy in DA2, can you imagine her in an improved graphics engine ? She'd push a lot of teenagers down the chasm of puberty.

Harding though... I could not give two fucks about. Overrated as hell.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 03, 2020, 06:35:05 pm
Interesting bit about Isabela though, she could perfectly come back but not as a romance option. I would find that a bit hard to imagine though, she was already eye candy in DA2, can you imagine her in an improved graphics engine ? She'd push a lot of teenagers down the chasm of puberty.
Well you can´t see and play in DAI Singleplayer but MP (which nobody cares about) she is playable and looks fine.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/b/b9/Isabela_in_the_DAI_Multiplayer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150530191917)
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Harding though... I could not give two fucks about. Overrated as hell.
A lot of people (including myself) really like her so yeah she will without any doubt be back in DA 4.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 03, 2020, 07:59:39 pm
Well you can´t see and play in DAI Singleplayer but MP (which nobody cares about) she is playable and looks fine.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/b/b9/Isabela_in_the_DAI_Multiplayer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150530191917)


Muh gurl :razz:  !

[/size]A lot of people (including myself) really like her so yeah she will without any doubt be back in DA 4.
I'll give her a chance in DA4. No doubt she'll be a more complex and intriguing character but I just found her to be the most normal, balanced and okay person in the entire story of DAI. People sometimes project way too much into some characters.

It's fine though. I'm sure the team will be motivated to do something interesting with her.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 03, 2020, 09:44:31 pm
Harding is a great character and I really hope, she will be a companion in DA4.


As for Isabela:I love her, very much, in fact, she is my default romance for my lady Hawkes, but after three games and some comics, she should retire.


And I don't think, Varric should come back as a companion, but maybe as a master if spies, helping out a bit.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 04, 2020, 01:28:22 am
Harding is a great character and I really hope, she will be a companion in DA4.
W...w...why ?! She does nothing at all :rofl: !

And I don't think, Varric should come back as a companion, but maybe as a master if spies, helping out a bit.

I really hope the war table returns. I agree with the criticisms but I hope the fans didn't dislike it too much.

Then again I am always the one who loves weird things no one likes in videogames. I had absolutely no problem with the Mako in Mass Effect.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 04, 2020, 04:22:57 pm
And I don't think, Varric should come back as a companion, but maybe as a master if spies, helping out a bit.
After two games in a row as our standard rogue companion its time that Varric should also retire. A cameo would be fine i guessbut even i who is a huge Varric fan has to admit its more than enough. So no DA 4 cameo. We have two games and severall dlcs where he is also featured in some way it´s really more than enough.
If we really need a master spy in DA 4 this person shouldn´t be Varric and certainly not Leliana.

DA 4 can´t possible bring all characters back in a meaningful way so characters who have appear in two and especially three games should retire for the ones who have just one game appearance.So in my opinion it would better that Leliana, Cassandra, Cullen, Isabela, Anora, Flemeth, Varric, Loghain, Corypheus, Hawke, Samson, Dagna, Alistair, Oghren, Merrill plus her clanmembers, Isolde and especially Arl Teagan (I hate Arl Teagan so much. Before Trespasser he was an okay character i even liked to flirt with him in Origins) won´t be return in any form. Of course they should be mentioned if needed but no visual appearance.


If Bioware has a good story for those following characters i won´t mind if they break this "rule".
Isabela (because of the Qunari stuff and maybe her mother), Zevran (only if Antiva plays a bigger role in DA 4), Morrigan, Anders / Justice, Bodahn, Sandal and Nathaniel Howe.
W...w...why ?! She does nothing at all :rofl: !
As Inquisition lead scout Harding did more than Sera or Varric storywise.  :vampwink:
Or do you already have forgotten that Harding is the one who scouts every area & establish the first camp and then briefs the Inquisitor?
She also a quite remarkable archer.

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I really hope the war table returns. I agree with the criticisms but I hope the fans didn't dislike it too much.
I hope not. For the first time is maybe a neat storytelling system but i really hate the long waiting. Most times for nothing other than useless reward.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 06, 2020, 01:36:33 am
If Bioware has a good story for those following characters i won't mind if they break this "rule". Isabela (because of the Qunari stuff and maybe her mother), Zevran (only if Antiva plays a bigger role in DA 4), Morrigan, Anders / Justice, Bodahn, Sandal and Nathaniel Howe.

I'd like to get SOME resolution regarding Anders at least. It might be difficult given how his story can end in DA2 but I always imagined it could reasonably happen in DA4: You can find his body and speculate on what his final fate was as a fugitive. Something simple and not too much of a headache for the writing team.

As Inquisition lead scout Harding did more than Sera or Varric storywise.  :vampwink:


They both bring resources to the inquisition, both material and in contacts for the herald. Also, Varric brings back Hawke.


Honestly, I wouldn't say I have "a problem" with Harding but she's an incomplete character: she has no conflict, no motivations and nothing really interesting. Fans just think she's cute and nice and have also projected an insane amount of qualities on her.

I think I'll like her better in DA4 once she receives a better treatment. I can see the potential at least.

I hope not. For the first time is maybe a neat storytelling system but i really hate the long waiting. Most times for nothing other than useless reward.
I agree but some waiting or some form consequence would have to exist though. Otherwise it wouldn't which quests you picked or how many of them you had, you could just do them all instantly.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 06, 2020, 07:59:53 am
Harding is a supporting character, she didn't get much back story or conflict. I think, once she is a companion, we will get more story and character development.


As for Anders:the problem is, that he can have different fates, it could lead to a Revan situation. I wouldn't mind for him to make an appearance, maybe based on your world stat in the Keep.


A character, that sadly will return, whom I really don't like, is Morrigan. I wish, we could kill her already, what a boring character.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 06, 2020, 12:49:34 pm
I'd like to get SOME resolution regarding Anders at least. It might be difficult given how his story can end in DA2 but I always imagined it could reasonably happen in DA4: You can find his body and speculate on what his final fate was as a fugitive. Something simple and not too much of a headache for the writing team.

Difficult? Not really if Hawke spare Anders / Justice the player just get an optional minor cameo. Nothing more but nothing less.
Its no secret that atleast the Art Design had some ideas.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/3/36/Anders_in_Inquisition_concept_art.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150531153824)


Too bad they cut this. It would have made the one desert map where he had shown up more interessing.
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They both bring resources to the inquisition, both material and in contacts for the herald. Also, Varric brings back Hawke.

Overall Harding did more than both combined.  :vampwink:
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Honestly, I wouldn't say I have "a problem" with Harding but she's an incomplete character: she has no conflict, no motivations and nothing really interesting. Fans just think she's cute and nice and have also projected an insane amount of qualities on her.
I really don´t see the problem. We already had these minor characters before. Isabela was in DAO only a trainer for the Duelist specialisation and optional Sexpartner and Merrill was to be honest in DAO a bit bland.Cassandra also hadn´t that much to do in DA 2.And lets not forget that after completing the main quest it was hinted that Harding could have combat stress reaction (CSR)
So yeah if someone like DAO Merrill can be an interessing companion in the sequel then every characters has the potential.Also they get a lot more screentime.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 06, 2020, 01:49:30 pm
Difficult? Not really if Hawke spare Anders / Justice the player just get an optional minor cameo. Nothing more but nothing less.Its no secret that atleast the Art Design had some ideas.


That one was some sweet Anders art though. Maybe he could appear in a very different, even privileged position within the Imperium. As before it probably wouldn't be too important if he is liable to die.

Sten on the other side... they MUST bring my boy Sten back somehow !

I really don´t see the problem. We already had these minor characters before. Isabela was in DAO only a trainer for the Duelist specialisation and optional Sexpartner and Merrill was to be honest in DAO a bit bland. Cassandra also hadn´t that much to do in DA 2. And lets not forget that after completing the main quest it was hinted that Harding could have combat stress reaction (CSR)

So yeah if someone like DAO Merrill can be an interessing companion in the sequel then every characters has the potential.Also they get a lot more screentime.


Dude... Merrill was a Blood Mage. That's it, anything else is extra. She was a inherently conflicting character for everyone and for any andrastian she was a walking migraine. It's perfectly fine not to like her but she did offer an interesting concept at least. In Cassandra's case though, she had a direct function in the plot at least, as Varric's interrogator.

I do understand your point however, many minor characters grow on people and become fan favorites without much effort. It wasn't helping to me that I usually saw her at those huge maps with nothing to do but different flavors of fetch quests.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 06, 2020, 04:23:00 pm
Sten on the other side... they MUST bring my boy Sten back somehow !
Well of course he will back. Well not as Sten atleast.  :vampwink:
Sten is now the new Arishok.

Dude... Merrill was a Blood Mage. That's it, anything else is extra. She was a inherently conflicting character for everyone and for any andrastian she was a walking migraine.
Sorry but did you ever played Dalish Origins? I am not talking about DA 2 Merrill who is a flesh out character.In Dalish Origin Merrill was just female mage. No blood mage and not socially awkward. Maybe you should refresh your memory.
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In Cassandra's case though, she had a direct function in the plot at least, as Varric's interrogator.
And Harding not? She briefs you at the beginning of almost every level and scouts the area first.
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It wasn't helping to me that I usually saw her at those huge maps with nothing to do but different flavors of fetch quests.
And why is that Harding problem that the fetch quests are bad?
This doesn´t the fact that she has a gameplay and story purpose.
By the way have you ever played the Jaws of Hakkon DLC?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 06, 2020, 08:30:27 pm
Sorry but did you ever played Dalish Origins? I am not talking about DA 2 Merrill who is a flesh out character.In Dalish Origin Merrill was just female mage. No blood mage and not socially awkward. Maybe you should refresh your memory.

Oh, my mistake. I focused on DA2 Merrill. I've never played the DAO Dalish Origin but I've seen it. I guess you could make a point there but, to my knowledge at least, nobody was gawking and drooling over DAO Merrill to the point she was introduced into DA2, whereas Harding did get a lot of good reception in DAI.

And Harding not? She briefs you at the beginning of almost every level and scouts the area first. It wasn't helping to me that I usually saw her at those huge maps with nothing to do but different flavors of fetch quests.

The thing with Cassandra though is that she adds to her scenes with Varric in DA2. She accuses him of colouring the truth, of being a liar, she doubts his words and thus she turns Varric into an unreliable narrator, which in turn makes the story much more interesting. Harding is just... a small and cuddly thing that explains what each area is about... meh...


And why is that Harding problem that the fetch quests are bad?

It's not her problem personally but I started associating her with the daunting task of doing fetch quests with her appearences in each map. It's a bit more into the larger problem of the game in general but that's a whole 'nother story.

And no ! I haven't had the pleasure of playing any of the DLC. I got frustrated and rushed to the end of the story but I am planning to do a second run as soon as the quarantine is over... and I get a job... and I get savings... and my life stops being hell T_T ...
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 06, 2020, 08:50:54 pm
You should play Jaws of Hakkon, it's a great DLC. Trespasser too
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 06, 2020, 09:36:55 pm

And no ! I haven't had the pleasure of playing any of the DLC. I got frustrated and rushed to the end of the story but I am planning to do a second run as soon as the quarantine is over... and I get a job... and I get savings... and my life stops being hell T_T ...

I am sorry we live all in difficult times but to be fair the DLCs are out for 5 years and often in sales so it isn´t that unlikely thatyou already have played them.

And Jaws of Hakkon (i don´t know if would call it a great DLC. It´s more of the same therefore its all right i guess) shows a lot more of Harding. Maybe you could watch some clips like this one.

Jaw of Hakkon and the Descent you can skip but you have to play Trespasser. It´s a must have and must play DLC.Also it´s the real ending to Inquisition.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 06, 2020, 10:50:36 pm


And no ! I haven't had the pleasure of playing any of the DLC. I got frustrated and rushed to the end of the story but I am planning to do a second run as soon as the quarantine is over... and I get a job... and I get savings... and my life stops being hell T_T ...

Sorry, overread that. That sucks, I'm really sorry. I'm still looking too.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 06, 2020, 11:58:54 pm
Thanks guys, and good luck to you Fylimar. Hopefully it'll take a bit of perseverance to get through unscathed from this pandemic nonsense.


Anyways. SOME GOOD news at least, apparently we get a Mass Effect HD Remake scheduled for next year:


https://wccftech.com/mass-effect-trilogy-hd-remake-release-date/ (https://wccftech.com/mass-effect-trilogy-hd-remake-release-date/)

Not sure how I feel about that. The Mass Effect games still look great to this day.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 08, 2020, 08:52:10 pm
Anyways. SOME GOOD news at least, apparently we get a Mass Effect HD Remake scheduled for next year:
Here we go again. Maybe it´s finally true i really don´t how many times this was a rumour.

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Not sure how I feel about that. The Mass Effect games still look great to this day.
I agree on Mass Effect 2 and 3 but Mass Effect 1 could really need some extra love or even a full remake than a simple remaster.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 08, 2020, 09:03:05 pm
I wonder, if this does go ahead. What will they do about Pinnacle Station ? Will they actually remake it along with the whole of Mass Effect 1 ?

I mean... it was such a shitty DLC  :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 08, 2020, 09:18:13 pm
I wonder, if this does go ahead. What will they do about Pinnacle Station ? Will they actually remake it along with the whole of Mass Effect 1 ?
Who knows? But the current rumour say that Mass Effect 1 is just a Remaster.I know many have problems with the Final Fantasy 7 Remake but to answer your question i would also cut stuff and make other parts  like the Hub Planets longer.
For example Talis geth data quest would just one planet and not 5 there you have to kill hords of Geth.

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I mean... it was such a shitty DLC  :rofl:
Yeah Pinnacle is really bad.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 08, 2020, 09:20:55 pm
Adding new content for each game would be an excellent idea, though I wonder how feasible that would be.


And with do you mean with the Hub Planet ? The Citadel ? Therum ? The latter could do with some extension.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 08, 2020, 09:32:21 pm
And with do you mean with the Hub Planet ? The Citadel ? Therum ? The latter could do with some extension.
Mainly the Citadel but also more stuff to do in Noveria and Feros would also be cool.
I don´t think that Therum should be expanded maybe they should cut some parts. Its a rescue mission no need to be longer than that.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 08, 2020, 09:48:42 pm
I don´t think that Therum should be expanded maybe they should cut some parts. Its a rescue mission no need to be longer than that.

I'd agree to your suggestions as well, those are great missions. I always did feel that Therum did feel a bit short in comparison to Feros and Noveria. Even Virmire is super content heavy and dramatic for how simple a mission it is.

What about a new.......... SQUADMATE ?

Naaaahhh, can't happen... though I always did feel a bit sore I never got my batarian squaddie in the trilogy.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 08, 2020, 10:01:45 pm
I'd agree to your suggestions as well, those are great missions. I always did feel that Therum did feel a bit short in comparison to Feros and Noveria.
Well Therum is just a simple mining colony. Of course you can stretch Therum but why? Our goal is rescuing Liara and nothing else.

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What about a new.......... SQUADMATE ?
Naaaahhh, can't happen... though I always did feel a bit sore I never got my batarian squaddie in the trilogy.
No you also have remake Mass Effect 2 and 3 for that because it would be strange that nobody mentions him even if he gets killed in ME 1.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 08, 2020, 10:31:05 pm
Well Therum is just a simple mining colony. Of course you can stretch Therum but why? Our goal is rescuing Liara and nothing else.


That's true, Therum is very on point about that. I think they should do another important bonus quest, like Bring Down The Sky, that was a goddamn amazing mission with some awesome repercusions for ME3.

Unfortunately, while we happily speculate about this, we also have to wonder about one thing............. Electronic Arts.

I think they'll fuck it up and charge $59.99 for it... to the people who already own the games *sigh*
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 08, 2020, 10:41:30 pm
Unfortunately, while we happily speculate about this, we also have to wonder about one thing............. Electronic Arts.

I think they'll fuck it up and charge $59.99 for it... to the people who already own the games *sigh*
For what? Full remake Mass Effect 1 worth it.
A remaster collection for Mass Effect 1-3 and all its DLCs also worth it well for PS4 and Xbox One.
PC should be only $29.99 but it really depends how many technical improvements over the originals are in the collection.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 08, 2020, 11:21:24 pm
For what? Full remake Mass Effect 1 worth it.

Let's hash it out:

If it's 59.99$ each (unlikely) then that is madness. Those are not brand new games. For whatever we might say about an HD remake, it's basically a glossy touch up, unless they change up some mechanics or bring some additional content.


If it's 59.99$ for the whole trilogy... then I might be persuaded. MAYBE. Let alone your offer which does sound pretty good.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 08, 2020, 11:26:02 pm

If it's 59.99$ each (unlikely) then that is madness. Those are not brand new games. For whatever we might say about an HD remake, it's basically a glossy touch up, unless they change up some mechanics or bring some additional content.

Full Remake not HD Remaster huge difference because everything is new but in style of the original.

Remake = Resident Evil 2 or Final Fantasy 7
HD Remaster = Resident Evil 4 (PS4) or Final Fantasy 10

A Mass Effect 1 remake is worth the $59.99
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 09, 2020, 12:02:59 am
Full Remake not HD Remaster huge difference because everything is new but in style of the original.

Remake = Resident Evil 2 or Final Fantasy 7
HD Remaster = Resident Evil 4 (PS4) or Final Fantasy 10

A Mass Effect 1 remake is worth the $59.99


You make a good point there. I was imagining this is just a remaster with perhaps some add-ons, in the spirit of the Enhanced Editions of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.

I can't imagine them making a true remake on the scale of Resident Evil 2 or Final Fantasy 7. It seems like a huge undertaking to completely redo the whole trilogy again. Obviously I agree that if it was made from scratch then it would be well worth a full price tagline.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 09, 2020, 09:39:10 pm
@Highwayman667:  Speaking of Baldur's Gate.  Did you complete the second one?  If so what did you think?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 09, 2020, 09:42:17 pm
I can't imagine them making a true remake on the scale of Resident Evil 2 or Final Fantasy 7. It seems like a huge undertaking to completely redo the whole trilogy again. Obviously I agree that if it was made from scratch then it would be well worth a full price tagline.
Again i only conside ME 1 for a Remake treatment. There is no need for Mass Effect 2 and 3 (i know besides the ending) Remake.

First of course the Remake not the Remaster rumour was debunked but i could be done.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 09, 2020, 10:01:30 pm
@Highwayman667:  Speaking of Baldur's Gate.  Did you complete the second one?  If so what did you think?


Haven't yet ! Pathologic is goddamn eternal  :58_83:


But I refuse to leave it hanging, it's a brilliant game and I will certainly finish it once I'm done with this weird russian game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 09, 2020, 11:28:03 pm
@Highwayman667:  Speaking of Baldur's Gate.  Did you complete the second one?  If so what did you think?


Haven't yet ! Pathologic is goddamn eternal  :58_83:


No problem.  Have fun with your game.

But I refuse to leave it hanging, it's a brilliant game and I will certainly finish it once I'm done with this weird russian game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 10, 2020, 07:04:39 pm
No problem.  Have fun with your game.


And you know Blood Omen is coming after BG2  :cool:  ! Thanks again Talyn.


AND BY THE WAY...


Mr Wilhelm-Streicher specially.


Why the hell... are we talking about a Mass Effect remake / HD remake whatevah...

When we should actually... and very possibly get...


A FULL KOTOR REMAKE ?

I think we deserve it !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 10, 2020, 08:35:36 pm
A KOTOR remake would be great.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 10, 2020, 10:01:22 pm

When we should actually... and very possibly get...

A FULL KOTOR REMAKE ?
"Very possibly" ?!? That is very optimistic i must say. I doubt that.
I prefer Kotor 2 over Kotor 1 but if they really do this why not?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 10, 2020, 11:36:24 pm

When we should actually... and very possibly get...

A FULL KOTOR REMAKE ?
"Very possibly" ?!? That is very optimistic i must say. I doubt that.
I prefer Kotor 2 over Kotor 1 but if they really do this why not?



While I am happy to here of a KOTOR remake.  Though I wish someone other than Disney and EA develop it.  Like you I enjoyed the second one more, and would love to see it remade with all of the cut content restored, and developed by Obsidian with Chris Avellone.  I still play K2 with the restored content mod, but I want a proper ending.  Even with the restored content the ending leaves much to be desired.  Oh and if she's still alive they have to bring back Sarah Kestelman, she was perfect as Kreia.  In fact if they could, bring back all the voice actors they were all great.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 10, 2020, 11:56:36 pm
Though I wish someone other than Disney and EA develop it.
Well Disney owns Star Wars but i don´t think that they will extend the Star Wars Deal  so the EA era will end 2023.
We will get of course a Fallen Order 2, one-two SWTOR Addons and maybe a Battlefront 3.

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Even with the restored content the ending leaves much to be desired.
Everything after the very powerful Jedi Enclave and Atris could really used more time to polish. Bao Dur´s disappearance and possible death was strange. Speaking of the Jedi Enclave the theme is perfect.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 11, 2020, 03:15:29 am
@Wilhem:  Yeah that's one of my favorite music pieces from the game.  There is also another but since I am trying to avoid posting spoilers because Highwayman667 has not played it yet.  But my other favorite music piece from the game is when a certain cinematic plays explaining a certain companions backstory.


As for the game needing polishing after the Enclave and Atris I agree.  Like I always said the restored content mod does restore some cut content but not everything that was planned.  Still even before the restored content mod was released KOTOR 2 was my favorite out of the two games.  I love my cocky smartass Jedi Exile. 


As for SWTOR I forgot about that game.  When I get to play it I do enjoy it I just ignore the Revan and Exile story arcs.  In my head canon Revan was darkside and the Exile lightside.  Last I played I was playing the Sith Warrior story, but haven't finished.  I sometimes feel bad at being evil. lol


Since this whole thing with the virus started I have not had the chance to play SWTOR, since I moved in with my parents to take care of them during the quarantine. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 21, 2020, 09:33:30 pm
I recently played Mass Effect 3 and whole trilogy again because well i have to kill time.I still love Mass Effect 3 and with all the dlcs its a great game but even i must say that its weird
that no one from Mass Effect 2 squadmate returns for Mass Effect 3.
I get it that you can´t have all back because of limited ressources (time and money) but come onatleast Miranda and Jack should be back in ME 3.
And last but not least i still think that Mass Effect 2 is overrated. Maybe it´s the best Mass Effect game on its own but
for pure story point of view it´s the worst within the trilogy.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 21, 2020, 10:21:24 pm
I recently played Mass Effect 3 and whole trilogy again because well i have to kill time.I still love Mass Effect 3 and with all the dlcs its a great game but even i must say that its weird that no one from Mass Effect 2 squadmate returns for Mass Effect 3. I get it that you can´t have all back because of limited ressources (time and money) but come onatleast Miranda and Jack should be back in ME 3. And last but not least i still think that Mass Effect 2 is overrated. Maybe it´s the best Mass Effect game on its own but
for pure story point of view it´s the worst within the trilogy.


Mass Effect 2 is a very weird sci-fi story. It's probably a very unique example of what Chris Avellone once said about stories in videogames, about how no matter what type of story you may write into a game, the thing that will matter the most is the player's experience with it (huuuge paraphrasing). I can't honestly think of a better example of this mindset than Mass Effect 2.

I mean... the game's main plot is thin as fuck.


Shepard gets brought back by Cerberus --> Shepard forms a team to fight The Collectors --> Shepard defeats the Collectors. That's it !

And yet I find the storytelling to be beautiful and understandably why most of the fans like it: it's a group of character pieces all about violent people that have been alienated from galactic society. Garrus is a vigilante, Jack is a killer, Tali gets accused of treason, Zaeed is a killer, Grunt is an abandoned experiment, Thane is a killer, Kasumi wants justice for her husband, Miranda's a killer, Jacob wants to accomplish what the alliance can't, Mordin's a killer.

You get the picture :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 21, 2020, 10:45:56 pm
I mean... the game's main plot is thin as fuck. ...
And yet I find the storytelling to be beautiful and understandably why most of the fans like it: it's a group of character pieces all about violent people that have been alienated from galactic society. Garrus is a vigilante, Jack is a killer, Tali gets accused of treason, Zaeed is a killer, Grunt is an abandoned experiment, Thane is a killer, Kasumi wants justice for her husband, Miranda's a killer, Jacob wants to accomplish what the alliance can't, Mordin's a killer.
And that´s the problem. As standalone Mass Effect its great but as second part of a trilogy?
For me it was very disappointing that the main story wasn´t that important for whole trilogy.Theoretically you skip Mass Effect 2 and won´t miss that much if you don´t care for the characters.
The whole resurrection of Shepard was form a story view pointless and Cerberus at the end becoming the bad guys again.I would argue only the stuff about Mordin, Legion, Tali, Wrex / Wreav and maybe Shadow Broker were important for the overall plot.Everything else is neat but not that relevant for Mass Effect 1 and 3.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 21, 2020, 10:56:45 pm
And that´s the problem. As standalone Mass Effect its great but as second part of a trilogy? For me it was very disappointing that the main story wasn´t that important for whole trilogy.Theoretically you skip Mass Effect 2 and won´t miss that much if you don´t care for the characters. The whole resurrection of Shepard was form a story view pointless and Cerberus at the end becoming the bad guys again.I would argue only the stuff about Mordin, Legion, Tali, Wrex / Wreav and maybe Shadow Broker were important for the overall plot.Everything else is neat but not that relevant for Mass Effect 1 and 3.

I have to disagree there. The second one introduces Cerberus and The Illusive Man, both of which play a huge role in Mass Effect 3 and ultimately serve as a foundation to the "Control" choice. The institution and the character are the best examples of the "Renegade Stance" and how it may serve humanity.

The resurrection bit I can understand why you'd contest it, but ask yourself: what other reasonable ways would you have had to have Shepard (and the player) ingratiate themselves and bond with Cerberus without something as groundbreaking as being brought back to life ? Some huuuuge hoops would've needed to be jumped to place Shepard at Cerberus in Mass Effect 2; without the resurrection bit at least.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 21, 2020, 11:17:40 pm
I have to disagree there. The second one introduces Cerberus and The Illusive Man, both of which play a huge role in Mass Effect 3 and ultimately serve as a foundation to the "Control" choice. The institution and the character are the best examples of the "Renegade Stance" and how it may serve humanity.
Okay you know more about Cerberus in ME 2 but if you think about it does it really matter?
At the end of Mass Effect 2 if you pick Paragon (which majority of players would likely have chosen) and the beginning of Mass Effect 3they are still the bad guys featured in Mass Effect 1 only more flesh out of course.

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The resurrection bit I can understand why you'd contest it, but ask yourself: what other reasonable ways would you have had to have Shepard (and the player) ingratiate themselves and bond with Cerberus without something as groundbreaking as being brought back to life ? Some huuuuge hoops would've needed to be jumped to place Shepard at Cerberus in Mass Effect 2; without the resurrection bit at least.
First my Akuze Shepards would never work with Cerberus but i haven´t any control in this.Second i see the whole resurrection part just a simple solution to restart Shepards skill and start at Level 1 becauseof the Mass Effect 1 feedback Bioware clearly have to change the combat gameplay.

A third theoretically Bioware could still used Cerberus and focus on them in Mass Effect 2 but in a different Mass Effect 2.One where the main goal wasn´t about stopping the collectors but finding the plans for something which stops the Reapers.
Maybe the plans for the Crucible which was a bit rushed in Mass Effect 3.


Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 21, 2020, 11:53:45 pm
Okay you know more about Cerberus in ME 2 but if you think about it does it really matter? At the end of Mass Effect 2 if you pick Paragon (which majority of players would likely have chosen) and the beginning of Mass Effect 3they are still the bad guys featured in Mass Effect 1 only more flesh out of course.

Remember the Mars scene near the end ? Where TIM first appears in Mass Effect 3 ?

If you haven't played Mass Effect 2 then you've no idea who he is or what he wants, what he has accomplished with Shepard or why he might be indoctrinated. You also can't understand what the collector artifacts are when you assault Cerberus' base and you've no idea how this organization went from a small group of cells in ME1 to a massive army with huge resources in ME3 and neither can you speculate on what their goals might be.


I understand though, ME2 is a bit of an isolated story but the Cerberus bit is important in my opinion.

First my Akuze Shepards would never work with Cerberus but i haven´t any control in this.Second i see the whole resurrection part just a simple solution to restart Shepards skill and start at Level 1 becauseof the Mass Effect 1 feedback Bioware clearly have to change the combat gameplay.

A third theoretically Bioware could still used Cerberus and focus on them in Mass Effect 2 but in a different Mass Effect 2.One where the main goal wasn´t about stopping the collectors but finding the plans for something which stops the Reapers. Maybe the plans for the Crucible which was a bit rushed in Mass Effect 3.


That's the whole point though, because Akuze (cool name) and my own Samuel Shepard would've never joined up with Cerberus either. As a writer however, would you have let a story like that just pass you by ? Hell nah son !

I do agree about how the resurrection also fitted with the whole level 1 restart... at least WHY they did it though, because I never saw the point.

People don't have actual levels in real life, it's just a game mechanic. None of us are mad when we pause, load / save and do other stuff that the game allows us to do and yet requires no damn explanation to the plot itself.
Whatevah, it's over :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 22, 2020, 08:55:49 pm
If you haven't played Mass Effect 2 then you've no idea who he is or what he wants, what he has accomplished with Shepard or why he might be indoctrinated.
Ok does it really matter? TIM and his organization are still the bad guys. Of course you have explain more his motivation butit could be done in Mass Effect 3.

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You also can't understand what the collector artifacts are when you assault Cerberus' base and you've no idea how this organization went from a small group of cells in ME1 to a massive army with huge resources in ME3 and neither can you speculate on what their goals might be.
Too be honest i really hate that Bioware made Cerberus a bigger threat and featured in more mission than the Reapers.
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That's the whole point though, because Akuze (cool name) and my own Samuel Shepard would've never joined up with Cerberus either. As a writer however, would you have let a story like that just pass you by ? Hell nah son !
I don´t hate the idea in generell but an Akuze Shepard should atleast a longer converation with TIM about Akuze, Admiral Kahoku andmaybe their experiments with the Rachni and Thorian Creepers.
Also its really disappointing that the ME 1 Cerberus data choice isn´t mentioned.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 22, 2020, 11:23:27 pm
Ok does it really matter? TIM and his organization are still the bad guys. Of course you have explain more his motivation butit could be done in Mass Effect 3.

It did to me at least, when I saw the control ending.

I'm not denying that the story could've been more rich in terms of the reaper threat but I think you can get a lot from it if you see what the whole picture is about.
Too be honest i really hate that Bioware made Cerberus a bigger threat and featured in more mission than the Reapers.

Oh you know you loved picking those submachinegun assholes with biotic powers and throw them off balconies. And removing their shields and fighting hand to hand with Kai-Leng and his ninjas. You have to admit they were fun to fight against  :cool:  !

I do understand a bit however. It did seem a bit left field that they were introduced as this massive enemy force in ME3, very unlike the Cerberus we've known in the past games. Then again, they do provide answers as to how they have such an army and resources now.

I don´t hate the idea in generell but an Akuze Shepard should atleast a longer converation with TIM about Akuze, Admiral Kahoku andmaybe their experiments with the Rachni and Thorian Creepers. Also its really disappointing that the ME 1 Cerberus data choice isn´t mentioned.

I think Miranda handwaves the entire thing away with the "rogue cells" argument
:rofl:

But yeah I always think those events in ME1 became missed opportunities in ME2. Would've been great to see what the Data Choice ended up leading to.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 23, 2020, 05:45:48 pm
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Oh you know you loved picking those submachinegun assholes with biotic powers and throw them off balconies.[/size] And removing their shields and fighting hand to hand with Kai-Leng and his ninjas. You have to admit they were fun to fight against  :cool:  !
Of course Cerberus are needed for human (like) enemies because humans prefer to kill humans than everything elsebut the Reaper should be the clearly the main baddies and not Cerberus.
Also think about alle the possible Husk variants from all the races. What will a Drell, Quarian or Vorcha Husk looklike?

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I do understand a bit however. It did seem a bit left field that they were introduced as this massive enemy force in ME3, very unlike the Cerberus we've known in the past games. Then again, they do provide answers as to how they have such an army and resources now.
To be fair they explain this. Most Cerberus units are civilians to turn into husk soldiers in places like Sanctuary.


I think Miranda handwaves the entire thing away with the "rogue cells" argument
:rofl:
And she didn´t know that her father and TIM are good friends. Miranda isn´t that perfect but still it woulda missed opportunity that she wasn´t a ME 3 squadmate.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 23, 2020, 08:09:26 pm
Of course Cerberus are needed for human (like) enemies because humans prefer to kill humans than everything elsebut the Reaper should be the clearly the main baddies and not Cerberus. Also think about alle the possible Husk variants from all the races. What will a Drell, Quarian or Vorcha Husk looklike?


They would've been fantastic ! Though people at the BSN are discussing wether a remaster or a remake is perhaps a possibility. I think either of those (more likely the remaster) would be a great opportunity to create new content like that.


And she didn´t know that her father and TIM are good friends. Miranda isn´t that perfect but still it woulda missed opportunity that she wasn´t a ME 3 squadmate.


It was the price we had to pay for the Suicide Mission unfortunately. I did wanted Miranda to be a squadmate in ME3, specially since she was my romantic interest, but I think they made the right choice in the end. The way it was done allowed Mass Effect 2 to have real consequences.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 23, 2020, 09:55:54 pm
They would've been fantastic ! Though people at the BSN are discussing wether a remaster or a remake is perhaps a possibility. I think either of those (more likely the remaster) would be a great opportunity to create new content like that.
I don´t think that Mass Effect 2 and 3 will be more than remaster. So no new stuff but the graphics looks better.
Mass Effect 1 i could see as full remake.


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It was the price we had to pay for the Suicide Mission unfortunately. I did wanted Miranda to be a squadmate in ME3, specially since she was my romantic interest, but I think they made the right choice in the end. The way it was done allowed Mass Effect 2 to have real consequences.
I disagree of course you can´t bring all 12 ME 2 Squadmates but atleast the romances should have return.Sorry i mean just Miranda and Jack. Jacob nobody cares and most people who have hated if he is returning squadmate rather welleveryone else who isn´t. And Thane would be cool but i totally unterstand he can´t be a big help anymore.

Last but not least if Miranda had returned Bioware doesn´t have to make Ashley into the next Miranda.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 24, 2020, 02:02:48 am
Last but not least if Miranda had returned Bioware doesn´t have to make Ashley into the next Miranda.


Oh come on, not you too Wilhelm :rofl:


It's not like Miranda and Ashley looked like strippers. They just got a little makeover.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 24, 2020, 04:19:44 pm
Oh come on, not you too Wilhelm :rofl:


It's not like Miranda and Ashley looked like strippers. They just got a little makeover.
Yeah me too. I hate Ashley ME 3 Design. Ash is a female Soldier first and not second oversexualized version of Miranda.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 24, 2020, 04:27:03 pm
Yeah me too. I hate Ashley ME 3 Design. Ash is a female Soldier first and not second oversexualized version of Miranda.


OH COME ON :rofl: !

Talyn and Fyli, bring your roleplaying asses here and tell me if this oversexualized:


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/86/6c/4c866c675e32483348e48aa101091afa.jpg)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 24, 2020, 04:35:34 pm
OH COME ON :rofl: !

No.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c06ow9Qe5b8/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/6/64/Ashley_horizon.png/revision/latest?cb=20110201184912)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 24, 2020, 04:48:15 pm
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c06ow9Qe5b8/maxresdefault.jpg)


Classic scene, I can't ever dare to miss it :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 24, 2020, 07:33:39 pm
I don't think she's oversexualized, but the change from the first game to the last game is drastic.  I only played up to the Citadel in the original game, but does her personality change throughout the games that it warrants the change? I agree she is first and foremost a soldier, and I've known known and seen women from the military and they don't look like her in ME3, at least not while on duty.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 24, 2020, 08:04:34 pm
I only played up to the Citadel in the original game, but does her personality change throughout the games that it warrants the change?.
No. Even her englisch voice actress Kimberly Brooks dislike the unneeded change.
Its quite obvious what happen in ME 3 someone in Bioware / EA wanted a similar visual appearance as Miranda butthe strange thing is if they needed a Miranda-like character why not use Miranda?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 24, 2020, 10:34:47 pm
Because Miranda could've been dead by ME3 and there was no other essential character to replace her. Whereas Ashley could've been replaced with Kaidan, lines and part and everything.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 24, 2020, 10:43:40 pm
I'm sorry, but I have no interest in discussing Mass Effect and I didn't follow the posts really, but if it is about Ashley:She is a stupid racist, being oversexualized is the last of her problems.
I do find some of the female characters in games annoying. No one would go fighting with their boobs hanging out or without a pant - I'm looking at you,  Morrigan, Isabela. I mostly ignore Morrigan, but Isabela always gets real clothing from me (because I like her despite her being clearly oversexualized).
There is a picture of a guy in some kind of chainmail thingy that looks like those, women tend to get in games, animes and stuff and it looked hilarious. I don't find the pick anymore, but it was mature stuff anyway.
Iwant more practical dresses and armors in games. And if it is a bit more open, then a t least make it realistic, like for example Miras outfit in KOTOR 2 (that was actually nice).
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 24, 2020, 10:48:53 pm
Because Miranda could've been dead by ME3 and there was no other essential character to replace her. Whereas Ashley could've been replaced with Kaidan, lines and part and everything.
First you can also lost Garrus & Tali. And they have a lower survival rate than Miranda which has the highest.If you lost Garrus nobody replace him and Tali is only replaced in the quarian mission with Admiral Raan who of course isn´t a squadmate.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 24, 2020, 11:13:59 pm
First you can also lost Garrus & Tali. And they have a lower survival rate than Miranda which has the highest.If you lost Garrus nobody replace him and Tali is only replaced in the quarian mission with Admiral Raan who of course isn´t a squadmate.


You're talking about Garrus & Tali though. Absolute fan favorites. FAR MORE beloved than any other new character in ME2.


I'm on your side, I would've had a couple of squaddies from ME2 as well but nobody had as a great a following as Garrus, Tali and the Virmire Survivor.


Another factor that has to be taken into account was that ME3 was developed under a tighter schedule. So it was probably in the realm of possibility to get ME2 squaddies in ME3 if Bioware had been given more time, maybe not.

I'm sorry, but I have no interest in discussing Mass Effect and I didn't follow the posts really, but if it is about Ashley:She is a stupid racist, being oversexualized is the last of her problems.

Man people are just angry as hell today
:rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 04:05:01 am
@Highwayman667:  I know I don't have much experience with the games characters, but I liked Wrex, Tali, and Garrus.  Wrex and his people remind me of Canderous Ordo and the Mandalorians from the KOTOR games.  Both were the scourges of the galaxy, and now they are scattered, broken, and leaderless, and having to resort themselves to mercenary work.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 06:42:03 am
Highwayman: that wasn't some angry rant and I would appreciate a real answer, not smileys.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 25, 2020, 07:19:10 pm
You're talking about Garrus & Tali though. Absolute fan favorites. FAR MORE beloved than any other new character in ME2.
Miranda also has a huge fanbase. Along with Jack who i like more.


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I'm on your side, I would've had a couple of squaddies from ME2 as well but nobody had as a great a following as Garrus, Tali and the Virmire Survivor.

Another factor that has to be taken into account was that ME3 was developed under a tighter schedule. So it was probably in the realm of possibility to get ME2 squaddies in ME3 if Bioware had been given more time, maybe not.
Again i unterstand their decision but i only want Miranda and Jack in the team and that´s it.No Samara / Morinth, Kasumi, Grunt, Zaeed, Jacob, Thane, Mordin or Legion.The reason is pretty simple atleast the Mass Effect 2 romances should be back. I know that Jacob and Thane are also romance optionsbut Thane didn´t make sense and nobody cares about Jacob.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020, 08:08:34 pm
Miranda also has a huge fanbase. Along with Jack who i like more.


Have there ever been characters in Bioware that have been upgraded to romantic status ? I can only think of three:

Garrus, Tali and Harding.


THAT'S how much impact Garrus and Tali had in the very first game  :holy: !


Perhaps people like Miranda and Jack didn't make the returning squaddie block due to time constraints. If it had been another publisher launching ME3 by 2013 I think it would've been very likely we would've have a longer game with more squadmates.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 08:17:08 pm
@Highwayman667:  You mention Harding.  Is that Harding from DA: Inquisition?  If so I did not know she was romanceable.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 25, 2020, 08:20:07 pm
Have there ever been characters in Bioware that have been upgraded to romantic status ? I can only think of three:
Garrus, Tali and Harding.
You can only think about those three?!?  Come on they are few more atleast for Dragon Age.  :razz:

DA 2: Anders, Isabela and Merrill
DAI: Cassandra and Cullen
Maybe Sera too if she was the child behind the door in Denerim.
@Highwayman667:  You mention Harding.  Is that Harding from DA: Inquisition?  If so I did not know she was romanceable.
No you can only flirt with her but its an open secret that she will be a DA 4 companion and romance.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020, 08:44:14 pm
You can only think about those three?!?  Come on they are few more atleast for Dragon Age. :razz:

Damn you're right. But it wasn't the same for Garrus and Tali, from my perception at least.

I mean, Bioware had no plans to make those two romanceable (and Harding) up until the fans went batshit and asked for them. Can you say the fan outcry was that large for Anders, Isabela and Merrill ?

No you can only flirt with her but its an open secret that she will be a DA 4 companion and romance.

Unfortunately :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 25, 2020, 08:56:20 pm
Damn you're right. But it wasn't the same for Garrus and Tali, from my perception at least.
Cassandra i agree but Cullen no way. You have no idea how many (mostly female) player want to romance this guy.
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Can you say the fan outcry was that large for Anders, Isabela and Merrill ?
No because before release or their official confirmation for DA 2 nobody had known that these three were back.Maybe some had hope for Isabela but nobody had expected Merrill.

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Unfortunately :rofl:

That you only flirt with her or that she will be a DA 4 companion and romance option?  :vampwink:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020, 09:43:48 pm
Cassandra i agree but Cullen no way. You have no idea how many (mostly female) player want to romance this guy.
Why are Bioware fans so weird :rofl: ?

That you only flirt with her or that she will be a DA 4 companion and romance option?  :vampwink:

I'll be fine I guess. I just wished BW fans became obsessed about more interesting things other than who they're favorite dolls are gonna make out with now !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 04:00:52 am
@Highwayman667:  I think that's why Chris AVellone does not do romances in his game.  They take away from the characters.  I know you never played KOTOR 2 so I will keep the spoilers to a minimum.  But in that game if you play a male which I usually do.  There are two female npc's that love you.  I will not say their names.  With one of them late in the game you have a powerful optional moment in the game through the Force.  This is the closest to actual sex in the game.  It might appear like nothing but according to the npc it's very intimate for her species. 


If you play female she has a male love interest.  Well it's more like he is infatuated by your character and is deeply loyal to you.  But according to the final SIth Lord.  The male love interest is in love with you.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 12:35:19 pm
I'll be fine I guess. I just wished BW fans became obsessed about more interesting things other than who they're favorite dolls are gonna make out with now !
Lets not forget Harding is female dwarf and after Sigrun (Valta doesn´t count) she would be second female dwarven companion.
By the way if DA 4 has a Qunari companion it´without any doubt also a female.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020, 03:45:30 pm
Lets not forget Harding is female dwarf and after Sigrun (Valta doesn´t count) she would be second female dwarven companion.By the way if DA 4 has a Qunari companion it´without any doubt also a female.

What follows is your fault Wilhelm.

POSSIBLE DA4 SQUAD SPECULATING MAY NOW BEGIN ! (blame Wilhelm)

Here's how I see it: We have four campaigns where we've had a determinate sets of companions.

- Origins (9 companions).

- Awakening (6 companions).

- II (9 companions).

- Inquisition (9 companions).

So, aside from Awakening, it seems like 9 is the magic number for Bioware when it comes to Dragon Age companions. We'd then have 9 spots for possible companions in DA4. Who then should already occupy those spots ? Some notes before speculating:

- Lace Harding has a guaranteed place there. People loved her in inquisition so we already have a dwarven female to take that place... and also, most likely a love interest (Maker help us all).

- The comic book character Wilhelm mentioned... I've completely blanked on that one. But it does seem typical of Bioware to introduce some characters in tangential media, only to them catapult them to a game. If we're not gonna have Dorian then we're gonna have that female tevinter mage.

- A female qunari is almost a sure bet to me. Inclusivity and representation are values that the writers hold in high regard AND we still haven't had a female qunari (or Tal'Vashoth) in the game. The time is right.

MY OWN PROPOSAL (Ok Wilhelm, half-and-half):

Isabela should return.

Why ? Because she's a beloved character from DA2 that has the right conditions to make a return. I might be wrong about this but I don't believe she dies under any condition... almost sure I'm wrong about that.

Only issue with her is that the teenagers might find her hot and become frustrated by being unable to romance her, and I don't think that if she returns she might be romanceable, it would make the Hawke & Isabela fans VERY angry.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 08:23:02 pm
So, aside from Awakening, it seems like 9 is the magic number for Bioware when it comes to Dragon Age companions. We'd then have 9 spots for possible companions in DA4.
Awakening is an Addon to Origin so it makes that it had only 6.
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- The comic book character Wilhelm mentioned... I've completely blanked on that one. But it does seem typical of Bioware to introduce some characters in tangential media, only to them catapult them to a game. If we're not gonna have Dorian then we're gonna have that female tevinter mage.

Also Mae(varis Tilani) is transgender after positive feedback from Krem and the negative feedback from DA 2 Serendipity and MEA Hainly Abrams
it makes sense that Bioware will make the first transgender companion.
But no as romance because this would be too much for some folks. Also Mae prefers Male dwarfs.

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- A female qunari is almost a sure bet to me. Inclusivity and representation are values that the writers hold in high regard AND we still haven't had a female qunari (or Tal'Vashoth) in the game. The time is right.
I agree. I believe we get a Tal Vashoth because we don´t really have one. The Iron Bull could be one but he wasn´t a true Tal Vashoth. Maybe Bioware could make someone like the Leader of Valo-Kas (Qunari DAI mercs). Shokrakar´s character description was cutfrom the final game so why not reuse this?


"Shokrakar is a female qunari who spent her life rebelling against the dictates of the Qun, and finally escaped. She was always too aggressive and too opinionated to fit the Qunari`s idea of proper female behavior, and rebelled repeatedly against every profession and part of society the priests tried to force her into. Her name literally means ´rebel´ in qunari. She bears hefty emotional and physical scars from years of enduring re-education camps, but is triumphant about having gained her freedom. She is forthright, confident and impossible to intimidate. Visually, she should show the scars of her background, but have a relaxed, open demeanor, since she has finally achieved everything she was fighting for.


https://ar-lath-ma-vhenan.tumblr.com/post/106109107310/shokrakar (https://ar-lath-ma-vhenan.tumblr.com/post/106109107310/shokrakar)
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Isabela should return.
Not as companion because she is romance option in DA 2. Also for this reason not Dorian.

Here of an old PC Gamer Interview about DAI. "PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game.
Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?

Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.

If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that."
Mark Darrah: The other thing that causes us to bring someone back is someone that we're just simply not done with. That the arc is incomplete. Isabella between Origins and Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that. We introduced her, but there's just a lot more to be done with that. That's actually usually how we choose. Often characters move. We don't reuse followers very often. Obviously, we are reusing Varric. We typically promote secondary characters between games.

PC Gamer: Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion.

Mark Darrah: Yes."
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/dragon-age-inquisition-interview-on-fan-feedback-romance-returning-characters-and-the-open-world/2/ (https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/dragon-age-inquisition-interview-on-fan-feedback-romance-returning-characters-and-the-open-world/2/)


Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020, 11:06:08 pm
Also Mae(varis Tilani) is transgender after positive feedback from Krem and the negative feedback from DA 2 Serendipity and MEA Hainly Abramsit makes sense that Bioware will make the first transgender companion.
But no as romance because this would be too much for some folks. Also Mae prefers Male dwarfs.

Hey, male dwarves need love too :cool: !
It's okay though, she's been in the comics and she's transgender. I think she takes a sure spot as companion alongside Harding at least.

Shokrakar is a female qunari who spent her life rebelling against the dictates of the Qun, and finally escaped. She was always too aggressive and too opinionated to fit the Qunari`s idea of proper female behavior, and rebelled repeatedly against every profession and part of society the priests tried to force her into. Her name literally means ´rebel´ in qunari. She bears hefty emotional and physical scars from years of enduring re-education camps, but is triumphant about having gained her freedom. She is forthright, confident and impossible to intimidate. Visually, she should show the scars of her background, but have a relaxed, open demeanor, since she has finally achieved everything she was fighting for.


Nice ! This sounds great already.

What about those poor tongueless bastards ? I forget their names but I always thought they would be super interesting as companions.


PC Gamer: Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion.

Fuck ! The people of DA2 deserve some love though  :58_45_40:

I would see Fenris return in all his beautiful glory returning to Tevinter and kicking slaver ass. He's a poor candidate though because he is a romance character and also is conditionally dead in many player states.


Aside from Harding or Krem though, I'm blanking a little on who could be upgraded from DAI at the moment.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 11:21:28 pm
It's okay though, she's been in the comics and she's transgender. I think she takes a sure spot as companion alongside Harding at least.
The great thing about Mae is that she already exists since August 2012. So she isn´t a new character and won´t feel forced.But you can bet someone won´t care.
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What about those poor tongueless bastards ? I forget their names but I always thought they would be super interesting as companions.
The silent sisters. Maybe its could be interessing but they can´t talk.

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Fuck ! The people of DA2 deserve some love though  :58_45_40:
This only rule them out for companion. Leliana wasn´t a companion in DAI but she had without any doubt plenty of screentime.
So yeah Dorian is of course not returning companion but he has like Leliana or Morrigan before a big role in DA 4.
Edit: Does Tallis count? No romance and she can´t die.By the way Isabela can´t die in DA 2.

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I would see Fenris return in all his beautiful glory returning to Tevinter and kicking slaver ass. He's a poor candidate though because he is a romance character and also is conditionally dead in many player states.
They could still do something cool with him. Alistair could also be romanced, drunk, King or dead but if remains a warden he returns in DAI.

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Aside from Harding or Krem though, I'm blanking a little on who could be upgraded from DAI at the moment.
First Krem could be dead and second the answer is quite obvious Calpernia.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020, 12:30:00 am
The great thing about Mae is that she already exists since August 2012. So she isn´t a new character and won´t feel forced.But you can bet someone won´t care.

I wonder what the snowflakes will say about her. To this day I still find people saying the sole reason why DAI "is bad" it's because of the "SJW stuff"


There's no hope for humanity :facepalm:

The silent sisters. Maybe its could be interessing but they can´t talk.

The sarevas ! I was also thinking about those as well.
I've always wondered wether mute characters should appear more in RPG's. In Divinity: Original Sin there's a companion who's completely mute (or deaf I think ?). He can't talk though but he's a fantastic character and it made me wonder why there weren't more mutes as companions in games. It would be a great avenue to show people a little bit about sign language.

This only rule them out for companion. Leliana wasn´t a companion in DAI but she had without any doubt plenty of screentime. So yeah Dorian is of course not returning companion but he has like Leliana or Morrigan before a big role in DA 4. Edit: Does Tallis count? No romance and she can´t die.By the way Isabela can´t die in DA 2.


No romance with Tallis ? Are you crazy Wilhelm ? Of course you can romance her. She leaves in the end but she's still romanceable. How the hell would they NOT make Felicia Day romanceable ? Can you imagine the outrage
:rofl: ?

And I can't believe it. Isabela can't die  :funny:  ! Unlikely she would return though.

They could still do something cool with him. Alistair could also be romanced, drunk, King or dead but if remains a warden he returns in DAI.


Hopefully. I wonder what they will do with "Sten" as well. I imagine he'll most likely have an equivalent role to the one Wrex/Wreav had in ME3. He's just unlikely to be a companion though, people are gonna want to see the new Arishok.

First Krem could be dead and second the answer is quite obvious Calpernia.

I... don't know :58_83: ... I'll take your word on her as a recommendation. I just can't imagine myself playing a DAI run where I support the templars so I'll have to see her on youtube and she what she's all about.


One thing we haven't considered however, is who among the party members from DAI is likely to return. A few months ago I was absolutely certain Dorian was coming back, hopefully your info was solid Wilhelm so we know that's very unlikely to happen but I do wonder if anyone could make a return ? Say what you will about the game but the companion cast was super solid.


Now, among those characters: Varric ? Don't think so, way too overused (I COULD see him as advisor though, if the war table feature returns). Vivienne ? I think she makes the cut but... I think people hate her. Neither can we do with Sera, Bull, Cassandra, Blackwall and Solas...


...BUT...


...What about Cole ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 27, 2020, 08:10:47 am
Why should they bring anymore old characters back apart from cameos? They already have two well known characters with Harding and Mae, I think, that's quite enough. Dorian as advisor and then I want to see new faces.


Btw:Fenris is canonically alive as the Blue Wrath comics show, he might make a cameo.



Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 27, 2020, 11:15:32 am
Why should they bring anymore old characters back apart from cameos? They already have two well known characters with Harding and Mae, I think, that's quite enough. Dorian as advisor and then I want to see new faces.


Btw:Fenris is canonically alive as the Blue Wrath comics show, he might make a cameo.
I believe they bring characters back who make sense to appear in Tevinter (which is obviously confirmed as one or the only game setting)

So:
-Dorian Pavus
-Maevaris Tilani
-Lace Harding
-Charter
-Calpernia
-Solas
-Sten / new Arishok
-Archon Radonis
-Tallis
-Gatt
-Feynriel
-Fenris as Blue Wrath or as Danaruis pet depending on the DA2 choiceand maybe the Architect & Shale


From the comics:
-Maevaris Tilani
-Archon Radonis-Rasaan maybe as new Ariqun

From current DA comic series which could change because someone could die
-Autumn (female Mabari)
-Calix
-Tessa(rey) Forsythia
-Francesca Invidus
-Aaron Hawkthorne
-Marius

And these are just my speculation without any proof
-Bevin the great adventurer (the DAO child with the sword in Redcliffe)
-Caladrius (the slaver leader in DAO)
-Valora (Soris´s fiancee who always get kidnapped and can´t die from the City elf origin)
-The Iron Bull just as small cameo (because his Hissrad part get always get killed in Trespasser)
-Velanna and her sister Serani


I think were a more than enough possible returning characters.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on May 27, 2020, 01:05:06 pm
Why should they bring anymore old characters back apart from cameos? They already have two well known characters with Harding and Mae, I think, that's quite enough. Dorian as advisor and then I want to see new faces.


Btw:Fenris is canonically alive as the Blue Wrath comics show, he might make a cameo.
I believe they bring characters back who make sense to appear in Tevinter (which is obviously confirmed as one or the only game setting)

So:
-Dorian Pavus
-Maevaris Tilani
-Lace Harding-Charter
-Calpernia
-Solas
-Sten / new Arishok
-Archon Radonis
-Tallis
-Gatt
-Feynriel
-Fenris as Blue Wrath or as Danaruis pet depending on the DA2 choiceand maybe the Architect & Shale


From the comics:
-Maevaris Tilani
-Archon Radonis-Rasaan maybe as new Ariqun

From current DA comic series which could change because someone could die
-Autumn (female Mabari)
-Calix
-Tessa(rey) Forsythia
-Francesca Invidus
-Aaron Hawkthorne
-Marius

And these are just my speculation without any proof
-Bevin the great adventurer (the DAO child with the sword in Redcliffe)
-Caladrius (the slaver leader in DAO)
-Valora (Soris´s fiancee who always get kidnapped and can´t die from the City elf origin)
-The Iron Bull just as small cameo (because his Hissrad part get always get killed in Trespasser)
-Velanna and her sister Serani


I think were a more than enough possible returning characters.

As  I said, I'm ok with a cameo, but I don't need a whole cast of recycled characters. And I very much doubt, we will get that.That we will meet Sten as Arishok might be likely, Dorian as an advisor, Solas as one of the baddies, all others, weill, maybe a short cameo.
I get, that people want nods to beloved characters - I like that too, but I do hope, we will get something fresh.
And I'm not sure I see the connection between Valora and Tevinter. As far as I know, she still lives in the Denerim Alienage? :huh:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 27, 2020, 01:41:23 pm
As  I said, I'm ok with a cameo, but I don't need a whole cast of recycled characters.
First i don´t see the comic characters as recycled characters. Many players never heard about those.Some are indeed just cameos like The Iron Bull, some are questgiver like Gatt and some are major characters like Dorian.
I think its a good mix.

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I get, that people want nods to beloved characters - I like that too, but I do hope, we will get something fresh.
You get this also and the majority are new but this fourth game they should also a few returning characters.By the way most characters that i have listed we don´t have seen for years. So Sten as new Arishok or Shale as Dwarfcould also seen as fresh. :vampwink:
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And I'm not sure I see the connection between Valora and Tevinter. As far as I know, she still lives in the Denerim Alienage? :huh:
"Regardless of origin, Valora has apparently already been shipped off to the Tevinter Imperium as a Slave
by the time Caladrius is defeated.
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Valora (https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Valora)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020, 03:08:14 pm
They already have two well known characters with Harding and Mae, I think, that's quite enough. Dorian as advisor and then I want to see new faces.
Huge problem though... Harding sucks :rofl:


I'd like to see some of the more conflicted characters at least, Mae is already a great contribution with her status as a transgender character. Obviously we have seven spots to fill out, but some stories, like Cole, Bull and Blackwall, could still be explored in DA4.

No more Varric though. I love the guy but it's too much.

Btw:Fenris is canonically alive as the Blue Wrath comics show, he might make a cameo.
Awesome news to start the day with :rock:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 27, 2020, 03:21:39 pm
Obviously we have seven spots to fill out, but some stories, like Cole, Bull and Blackwall, could still be explored in DA4.
And why?

From the DA 2 companions only Varric had returned in DAI (Edit: Isabela doesn´t count she was only a Multiplayer character). 
So why should they return? You can´t bring all back in DA 4. They already set up Solas and Dorian for DA 4.
Maybe The Iron Bull returns as well. But don´t you think those three are more than enough.
Also the most important thing all characters have to have a reason to be in Tevinter.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020, 06:25:43 pm
And why?

Because I say so, Wilhelm. Get with the times.

Seriously though, I think it's a nice touch to see familiar characters in new settings. It's not make or break for me so I'll be perfectly fine if none of the DAI crew return as companions for DA4. Great new people to meet is just as fine.

So why should they return? You can´t bring all back in DA 4. They already set up Solas and Dorian for DA 4.

Solas doesn't count though. He probably sucks more than Harding
:rofl:

I find his character to be so... dull and annoying. I am incredibly dissapointed he is now the villain. If this wasn't Bioware I'd be rather pessimistic about the entire thing but I know they'll do something interesting with him and with the story, so it's not so bad. Though as I've said before, I wish we could go explore more personal stories like the ones in DA2.

Also the most important thing all characters have to have a reason to be in Tevinter.

I don't think that's very difficult. You can think of a thousand reasons why any character could go to Tevinter: some might have scores to settle, battles to pursue, maybe one is unwillingly brought there while another is taking a vacation, etc.

I think the most important aspects are from the interviews you quoted: it's much more feasible for Bioware to upgrade characters rather than reusing old ones, and if Dorian and Harding are there then that's pretty much it because those two are the most beloved characters in DAI.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 27, 2020, 10:00:10 pm
Because I say so, Wilhelm. Get with the times.

Seriously though, I think it's a nice touch to see familiar characters in new settings.
We all want our favourites to return but too many characters already so i can´t bring back everybody in a meaningful way.I believe its best that bring DAO, DAA and DA2 characters who make sense and which only see in one game.
For DAI Bioware should focus on those they want to contuine for DA 4 Tevinter game.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020, 11:14:40 pm
We all want our favourites to return but too many characters already so i can´t bring back everybody in a meaningful way.I believe its best that bring DAO, DAA and DA2 characters who make sense and which only see in one game. For DAI Bioware should focus on those they want to contuine for DA 4 Tevinter game.


Speaking of Tevinter, should we just get that and NOT Par Vollen ?


I think it would be a bit crazy not allowing us to visit both regions, considering they're currently at war.


Just please, no more Ferelden until after my third divorce... at least.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on May 28, 2020, 02:26:05 am
Yeah I want to see the Qunari homeland and see Sten as Arishok.  Inquisition had a big world it was just cut up into sections.  The Hinterlands I remember were huge.  I spent 10 hours there in my first playthrough.  DA4 can do the same or make it completely open world.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 28, 2020, 09:13:49 pm
Speaking of Tevinter, should we just get that and NOT Par Vollen ?
I don´t think we will see the Qunari Homeland but we will very likely see Seheron.Of course not every place from this map will visitable but the major ones are.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/0/03/Tevinter%28DrB%29.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20110826021357&path-prefix=de)
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/0/03/Tevinter%28DrB%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110303063759 (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/0/03/Tevinter%28DrB%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110303063759)
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Just please, no more Ferelden until after my third divorce... at least.
Don´t worry Bioware have said that they done with Ferelden and southern chantry / mage / templar stuff. Well atleast for DA 4.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 04, 2020, 07:18:25 pm
Surprise surprise after these years and countless threads about this can i finally give another answer then
"Not gonna happen because EA and Origin"But many things are different this year so Dragon Age 2 and DAI Goty are available on Steam.
Unfortunately DA 2 isn´t (currently?) available as a Complete Edition / GotY but as two separate packs. 
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 04, 2020, 08:11:53 pm
Surprise surprise after these years and countless threads about this can i finally give another answer then
"Not gonna happen because EA and Origin"But many things are different this year so Dragon Age 2 and DAI Goty are available on Steam.
Unfortunately DA 2 isn´t (currently?) available as a Complete Edition / GotY but as two separate packs.


Well that's good news for those that haven't bought them already, though I am seriously concerned about this issue because I have those games on Origin. Every once in a while I think about buying them on Steam again but... I don't know. I'd rather the entire thing be on GOG but EA are some greedy fuckers.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on June 04, 2020, 08:30:42 pm
I prefer GOG too but Steam is better than Origin.  At least I never had problem accessing the dlc I paid for with Steam.  Unlike Origin and DA2.  Anyway this is good news.  Hope Inquisition is next so I can be rid of Origin once and for all.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 04, 2020, 08:34:43 pm
Anyway this is good news.  Hope Inquisition is next so I can be rid of Origin once and for all.
Sorry but i don´t understand. DAI (Dragon Age Inquisition) is also coming to Steam.
Mass Effect 3 on the other hand isn´t currently  available.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on June 04, 2020, 08:58:01 pm
@Wilhelm-Streicher:  My mistake I did not know that Inquisition was coming to Steam.  Anyway I remembered like Ubisoft with UPLAY, I will most likely still need Origin on my PC.  Because Jedi: Fallen Order is on Steam and still uses Origin to play.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 05, 2020, 02:05:52 am
I prefer GOG too but Steam is better than Origin.


I will down an entire bottle of rum with some Popeye's Chicken if I ever get the Mass Effect trilogy on GOG. That's how much I love both.


I honestly can't imagine what the hell would happen if some EA shareholder gambled his money away on coke and hookers and left the company in ruins. What's gonna happen to Origin then ? Will it still be up ? Will they still be able to support it ? If they don't, do I get my money back at least ?

Highly unlikely though. EA is too big today.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on June 05, 2020, 06:33:43 am
@Wilhem-Streicher @Highwayman667 @Fylimar:  Who is your favorite Dragon Age npc or npc's?


For me it's a hard decision.  I have many favorite npc's I even like poor Ser Jory.  I've completed both Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 many times.  I have not fully completed Dragon Age: Inquisition but I did like Dorian and saw his story arc.  I can't pick favorites right now.  But who are your favorites?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Happydeathclaw on June 05, 2020, 11:51:33 am
I know who it is, uncle Gamlen it is, everyone's most favorite npc of all times.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 05, 2020, 05:12:50 pm
@Wilhem-Streicher @Highwayman667 @Fylimar:  Who is your favorite Dragon Age npc or npc's?
Hawke. Because he is SOMETIMES an NPC :rofl:


I'm sure I'll remember as time goes along but Arl Eamon from DAO was a pretty fascinating character to me. He is clearly a kind, honorable and loyal man; however, Loghain makes some pretty sharp and interesting comments against him (as well as what we discover in RTO) that changed my perspective on the politics of Ferelden, almost to the point of doubting wether it was even right to support Eamon and his plan.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 05, 2020, 05:21:58 pm
Who is your favorite Dragon Age npc or npc's?
First off i exclude companions like your example Dorian and the DAI advisors (Cullen, Josephine and DAI Leliana)Why? Because it would be unfair if they are also in the race for best NPCs.Edit: And of course playercharacters. By the way Hawke wasn´t that good in DAI.

Temporary companions yeah should also be their own category but i could it´s fine.

So my answer is Herren and Wade.

To me they are much funnier than Bodahn and Sandal.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 05, 2020, 07:44:28 pm
Oh those two are brilliant.


Did they appear in DAI ? I can't remember if they even showed up in DA2.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 05, 2020, 08:01:43 pm
Did they appear in DAI ? I can't remember if they even showed up in DA2.
Well in DAI they appear through text in a Wartable Mission after you killed the first dragon. And in DA 2 they aren´t even mentioned which is ok
after their appearance in Origins and Awakening. DAI would also be fine if the smith Harritt isn´t that boring comparing to Wade.

By the way Dagna would be also a great pick for best NPC. I prefer her over Sandal.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 05, 2020, 08:32:14 pm
By the way Dagna would be also a great pick for best NPC. I prefer her over Sandal.


Dude what do you got against The Maker  :cool:  ?


Oh Dagna, she was fantastic. NOW THAT is a companion we should have in DA4... away with you Harding :rofl: !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 05, 2020, 08:55:33 pm

Dude what do you got against The Maker  :cool:  ?
I don´t find him that interessing and the Enchantment running gag is getting quickly repetitiv and dull.

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Oh Dagna, she was fantastic. NOW THAT is a companion we should have in DA4... away with you Harding :rofl: !
Dagna isn´t a skill fighter who can kill dozens of enemies.
Also her lover Sera (only if the player won´t romance Sera) won´t let her to do this and leave her alone in Tevinter.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 05, 2020, 09:28:02 pm
Also her lover Sera (only if the player won´t romance Sera) won´t let her to do this and leave her alone in Tevinter.


DAI may not be my favorite game but it is pretty impressive to discover new little things from it  :chinscratch:  !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 05, 2020, 09:40:51 pm
DAI may not be my favorite game but it is pretty impressive to discover new little things from it  :chinscratch:  !
Not really that big of a secret if you read Sera diaries.
Its this impressive and quite dump because nobody could have possibly figure this out. Bioware have to spoil this secretbecause nobody jumps over a hidden rock about 50 times.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 05, 2020, 09:49:45 pm
Goddamnit Bioware :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 05, 2020, 11:57:54 pm
EA Play is also postponed.https://twitter.com/EA/status/1269000943787540480 (https://twitter.com/EA/status/1269000943787540480)
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on June 07, 2020, 12:05:21 pm
Sorry, the forum isn't working properly for me again. I have trouble getting on here.
Favorite characters
companions: Varric (aka the best), Isabela, Zevran, Wynne, Iron Bull, Dorian, Sera (if you don't play an elfy elf) and Aveline.
other npcs: Dagna, Harding (I so hope, she will be a companion and a love interest - for ladies too), Murdock (the mayor of Redcliffe - I like him and always protect him during the fight), Emerick, Ser Thrask, Orsino, Feynriel, Lanaya, Ser Woolsey ... I think, there are too many

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 07, 2020, 12:45:46 pm
Harding (I so hope, she will be a companion and a love interest - for ladies too)
I don´t see any reason why she shouldn´t be bisexuall for all races because you can flirt with every combination in DAI.  :smile:
Maybe she change her mind about Qunari men because well the sex could be too painful. Or she likes who knows.  :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on June 07, 2020, 03:53:53 pm
Wilhelm: yeah, I don't see any reason, why she shouldn't be bisexual either.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 07, 2020, 05:16:31 pm
Varric (aka the best), Isabela, Zevran, Wynne, Iron Bull, Dorian, Sera (if you don't play an elfy elf) and Aveline.


No Fenris there, dissapointing  :irritated:  !


Still, I think Varric would come on top for favorite companion on every DA2 list and with good reason. Isabela also bounces off really well with him and for me specially, considering my main Hawke is an archer, the rogue overload is just too much :rofl:
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 07, 2020, 05:45:56 pm

Still, I think Varric would come on top for favorite companion on every DA2 list and with good reason. 
Well it´s almost impossible not like Varric.  :vampwink:
But i am not consider him Hawkes best friend. This title has go to Aveline especially for Femhawke.
So i like Aveline a little bit more than Varric. All DA 2 companions are great besides Sebastian of course.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 07, 2020, 05:54:41 pm
But i am not consider him Hawkes best friend. This title has go to Aveline especially for Femhawke.


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WHO. IS. HAWKE'S. BESTIE ?
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 07, 2020, 06:14:19 pm
WHO. IS. HAWKE'S. BESTIE ?
Easy. Aveline was here when Hawke really need a friend and someone to talk to after Leandras death.If don´t have any romance Aveline show up and even also have to option to talk with her about how she dealt with the loss of her father.
Varric doesn´t talk much about Leandra.
Also in my opinion Varric is too cool to be Hawke´s best friend.  Aveline is awkward but lets not forget that she only trusted Hawketo help with her with her crush Donnic.

Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on June 07, 2020, 08:00:18 pm
Dagna is one of my favorites she's so cute.  I like Harding too.  As for companions and advisors Dorian, Cassandra, Iron Bull, Cullen, Josephine, Isabel, Aveline, Varric, Merril, Fenris, Leliana, Alistair, Anders, Sten, Wynne, Morrigan, Dog, and Nathaniel Howe.  Don't know if I got everyone but if I remember more I'll post.


As for regular npc's too many to name but a few are the aforementioned Harding and Dagna.  I also like Bohdann and Sandal.  The Cousland family.  Senior Enchanter Irving.  Knight Commander Greagoir.  I like a few from the other games as well.  I just have to look up their names.  Also Duncan, Daveth, and Ser Jory.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Talyn82 on June 07, 2020, 08:09:57 pm
I agree with Wilhelm.  I like Aveline as a bestie a lot.  Like he said she was there to comfort Hawke when their mother dies.   Plus she's adorable. I find it cute when she asks Hawke for help with her crush Donnic.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 07, 2020, 09:08:17 pm
Easy. Aveline was here when Hawke really need a friend and someone to talk to after Leandras death.If don´t have any romance Aveline show up and even also have to option to talk with her about how she dealt with the loss of her father. Varric doesn´t talk much about Leandra.  Also in my opinion Varric is too cool to be Hawke´s best friend.  Aveline is awkward but lets not forget that she only trusted Hawke to help with her with her crush Donnic.


Strong first blows Wilhelm, but I'll counter them with... templars and mages !

The reason why I find Varric to be Hawke's best friend is because the latter has the unconditional support of the former. If certain conditions aren't met, Aveline opposes Hawke and comes to blows with him over the issue about Anders' attack on the chantry and the subsequent revolt of the mages.


And it makes sense to me, Aveline's greatest virtue is her commitment to duty. She protects the family of the man/woman who, despite their failure, tried to aid her husband during The Blight. BUT... she is only Hawke's friend for as long as her commitment to her duty remains unbroken.


Varric gives zero fucks. For better or worse, against demons or darkspawn. Hawke knows one thing: Bianca will be next to him  :cool:  !
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: fylimar on June 07, 2020, 09:47:38 pm
My Hawkes besti is Varric - to quote Snape :'Always'


Aveline is Hawkes big sister, who keeps an eye on her (Hawke), so that she doesn't do too many stupid things.


But my Hawkes have usually more in common with Varric
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 07, 2020, 10:10:22 pm
And it makes sense to me, Aveline's greatest virtue is her commitment to duty. She protects the family of the man/woman who, despite their failure, tried to aid her husband during The Blight. BUT... she is only Hawke's friend for as long as her commitment to her duty remains unbroken.

Varric gives zero fucks. For better or worse, against demons or darkspawn. Hawke knows one thing: Bianca will be next to him  (https://forums.planetvampire.com/Smileys/PV/cool.gif)  !
Do you ever played DA 2 with Varric on full Rivalry? He isn´t Hawkes best friend either with his setting.
Yes he stays in the party but just for his own amusement and tell the story because he can´t leave Hawke becausethe DA 2 won´t work then.
To Aveline yes she fights with Templars but unlike Anders, Fenris or Merrill she won´t attack Hawke because they were once friends and just leave.And lets not forget that Aveline even on Full Rivalry wanted to help Hawke after Leandras death.

Also Aveline on Full Friendship really trusts Hawke so much that she view fighting alongside the mages as the only right thing to do.So yeah she even does stuff against her beliefs.
Title: Re: The Bioware Spot
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 08, 2020, 01:44:54 am
Do you ever played DA 2 with Varric on full Rivalry? He isn´t Hawkes best friend either with his setting. Yes he stays in the party but just for his own amusement and tell the story because he can´t leave Hawke becausethe DA 2 won´t work then. To Aveline yes she fights with Templars but unlike Anders, Fenris or Merrill she won´t attack Hawke because they were once friends and just leave. And lets not forget that Aveline even on Full Rivalry wanted to help Hawke after Leandras death.

Also Aveline on Full Friendship really trusts Hawke so much that she view fighting alongside the mages as the only right thing to do.So yeah she even does stuff against her beliefs.


If there was one thing I didn't like about DA2 it was the Friendship / Rivalry system. So damn confusing. So Isabela is apparently my rival but I can still romance her ? What ? Anyways, Varric and Aveline !
Yeah it's a very difficult and rather meaningless distinction. In the end one can have more than just one best friend :rofl:


But I do appreciate about Varric that, beneath the greed and sometimes "moral disregard" there is a great amount of loyalty that he demonstrates repeatedly, as does Aveline really, the difference is that you knew the latter was like that from the start, whereas with Varric there's a couple of moments where you can doubt his judgement.
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