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Offline fylimar

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2020, 08:56:54 am »
Highwayman: Yes, you are undead in DS and you have to try and remain your humanity. You will start looking very undead and the narrator tells you, that if you are not careful, you will loose yourself. Along the way you find soulstones you can consume to get humanity back and it makes you look more human again. But you make a worldchanging decision in the end (or sometimes that decision is made for you depending on your choices).
In Bloodborne you are a an ill pilgrim, who comes to the city of Yharnam to get healed with holy blood. You then see in the city, what this blood is doing to a lot of people and you become a beast hunter. WHen teh game ends, you can make some very personal decisions. They do have an impact on the game world (at least some of them), but mostly they have an impact on you.

I haven't played the games myself yet, although I really want to play Bloodborne, because of the world, which is dark and steampunky and the mythos is very much inspired by H.P. Lovecraft, one of my favorite horror writers, but sadly, I don't own a playstation and now I'm contemplating to wait with buying one until the new one is out. I have watched tons of playthroughs though, because I'm so impressed with the gameplay, the story and the artstyle.
What I find fascinating about the Souls games and Bloodborne is, that some of your enemies are often very tragic characters too (like yourself). You really don't want to fight some of them - and not because they are notorious hard to fight, but because you feel pity with them. Not very cheerful games for sure.
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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2020, 03:30:13 pm »
I agree. Both franchises look really amazing. Though I am hopelessly bound to the PC Master Race and I can't see myself buying a console ever again. I can only hope they choose to port them to PC or perhaps leave myself some room to play all the other dozens of games I've bought over the years *sigh*

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Probably the best third-person shooter I've ever played in my life. Also one of the best written games ever.

Now, this one is perhaps a bit too easy... perhaps not. Crime-themed games, by their very nature, don't usually have large-scale issues they are dealing with because crime usually happens in clandestine contexts. This one however, involves a city-wide conspiracy, the italian mafia, the russian mafia and even a secretive organization that pulls the strings of the US government. It's actually pretty big.

However, the story is just about our protagonist, Max. It's about the after effects of his grief and pain following a terrible loss, an incredible crime that he commits midway through the game and his own tenacity to try to survive the events he's involved him.

What I particularly like about this story (without spoiling too much) is that... despite the groups involved (the criminals and the conspiracy)... Max Payne is barely of tangential importance in the plot, in the sense that he's collaterally involved in the plans and schemes of the villains. One of the characters even tells him to just walk away and save his own life, because he has that chance... and he really does ! No one could ever blame him for safeguarding his own wellbeing at a very crucial point in the story.

But the beauty of the story is that something within Max Payne tells him to keep involved, to keep fighting... to see it all the way through the end, even if it's not his problem, even if he may not succeed, even if the bad guys may take it all and win... even if he may die.

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2020, 04:18:44 pm »
Highwayman: They ported the Dark Souls games to pc, but it was poorly done imo. The controls were really clunky and made the difficult fights even more difficult. SInce I heard, that it wasn't well done, I grabbed DS2, when it was free on Steam and tried it. It was really hard. Mabye you can make it a bit better with remapping the keys, but I don't know.
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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2020, 06:18:04 pm »
@Highwayman667:  The mmo you talking about is that the Legacy of Kain mmo?  If so that game was terrible.  It took place in modern times and Kain and Raziel were not even in the game.  I understand Raziel, but how can it be called a Legacy of Kain game if the main character is not even in it as an npc? Plus Nosgoth is not earth, so I don't know why they chose real modern times.  I guess they wanted to be like VTMB.
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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2020, 09:18:20 pm »
@fylimar: Have you tried a control port fyli ? You can use a special adapter to plug your wireless playstation or xbox controllers so you can play the game just like it does on console. I'll take your advice and make sure to play with an xbox controller I still have if it's that difficult, I deffinitely want to taste the "souls experience" at least once. See if I get hooked.

@Talyn82: Yeah I did hear it sucked quite a bit. No denying that. However, if anyone tries to bring back the franchise they gotta try to offer something more than just an engaging story. I think it should deffinitely be framed as an RPG, only way I can see the package as worthy of attention from really necessary newcomers.

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2020, 03:33:43 pm »
Highwayman: no, I don't have a controller, but I might invest in one and try it out. The fights are notorious hard in the Souls games and trying to remember keyboard combos for certain moves (and you do need them all) makes it unnecessary harder.

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2020, 10:09:05 pm »
@fylimar: Hot damn... And I nearly bought it earlier this year. Would've been frustrated as hell !

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2020, 11:46:34 pm »
Hey, how about Binding of Isaac? Any thoughts about this child of McMillen?

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2020, 11:45:26 pm »
Haven't played but it does look... very peculiar... and interesting... and cheap

*cashes debit card and buys it*

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2020, 09:48:30 am »
What remains of Edith Finch is a very personal story, of a person, who tries to piece their family history together.
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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2020, 02:18:34 pm »
And if saving the world becomes a personal matter, then what? lol

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2020, 04:08:05 pm »
@Happydeathclaw: Interesting statement ! Of course there are stories like that. Dragon Age Origins, despite the scale of the story, is still a personal story as well: you're trying to avenge Duncan, become worthy of the title of Grey Warden yourself and also making a choice about the sacrifice you feel is necessary to stop the Darkspawn.

I think me and Talyn82, at least as far as I can see it, draw the line on what is a "Grand Scale Story" (DAO and Mass Effect) versus a "Personal Journey" (Planescape Torment and Max Payne 2), the latter necessarily excludes stakes that are outside the concerns of the main character.

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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2020, 08:23:04 pm »
For me this spot is filled by good ol' point and clicks, they are heavily focused on stories and characters, so I would say that Gabriel Knight is a good choice and there are several others, especially the Blackwell Series and TechnoBabylon for example.


Max Payne is especially good, the first part reigns supreme over all else, because it is pure noir and the oldest story of revenge executed perfectly. The second part for me is too short and I do not like the segment with Mona (a bit redundant), kinda breaks the pace for me. The parallel view is good, but it goes against the conventions of the noir genre, which is sworn to first-person and observations made from a sole, central character. That jump into a secondary character is unneeded, turns the game into a pseudo-thriller and failed romance - romance is the last thing on the avengers' minds, kinda goes against their motivation.


Byronic heroes and anti-heroes are perfectly suited for this tropes and their romances (if any) should be brief and not consequential. Those characters are ticking bombs, train wrecks that rush towards the implosion point - the inclination to expand on them should be done in retrospect in a form of a prequel if need be, not as a future expansion of the series.
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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2020, 08:34:02 pm »
Totally forgot about the Gabriel Knight games - yeah, those were great.
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Re: Games that are about the personal journey.
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2020, 05:22:49 am »
Max Payne is especially good, the first part reigns supreme over all else, because it is pure noir and the oldest story of revenge executed perfectly. The second part for me is too short and I do not like the segment with Mona (a bit redundant), kinda breaks the pace for me. The parallel view is good, but it goes against the conventions of the noir genre, which is sworn to first-person and observations made from a sole, central character. That jump into a secondary character is unneeded, turns the game into a pseudo-thriller and failed romance - romance is the last thing on the avengers' minds, kinda goes against their motivation.

I think the first one, though I do like it very much, has the edge on originality and innovation. Specially for the medium, one that doesn't really have that many titles about noir. Problem is that the story is very very simple once you see it without nostalgia glasses. I've also heard a lot that the first one is longer than the second one but the difference is about a few hours give or take :holy:  !

The second one has a far more complex and enjoyable story though. It's a bit sad that Remedy never got to make the third game, I think it would've been fantastic buy hey... they really wanted to do Alan Wake.
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