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Offline DarkZephyr

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Fantasy Lore
« on: June 05, 2019, 08:13:41 AM »
I'm starting this thread so that I can finish a conversation I was having with Highwayman667 and DarkProphet while respecting Wesp's wishes that the Bloodlines 2 link thread remains on topic.  But I figure we can throw in conversation about other aspects of Fantasy gaming and lore as well if anyone has the urge to chat about it. 
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I didn't find Merill to be all that attractive whatsoever (though Fenris was), but no, I wasn't referencing the elves of Dragon Age 2 (DA elves look 100% better in Dragon Age Inquisition, in my opinion), I was referencing the elves of Skyrim. You have your reasons for feeling the way that you do.  I have my reasons for feeling the way that I do.  I don't understand why you feel the need to call those who see it differently than yourself "silly" or to imply that we are "closed minded".

Well... you did refer to the DA2 elf design as "dog sh*t"... xD

I apologize if my words came off as offensive in any way. I just find it a bit exaggerated when people say the elves in Dragon Age 2 looked like "dog sh*t" when it was a clear effort from the designers to create something more original and authentic than what we usually see, and that earns some merit to me because if it was up to a lot of people (maybe not you, but others) then every videogame character would look like a supermodel.

And your comment about their beauty making them alien proves my point.  They don't have to be ugly to be alien.  Thank you for that, that is exactly what I was saying.

Sure but just because somebody chooses to do something different doesn't mean it's... doggy poo !

I was definitely thinking of the Skyrim elves in my head when I said that.  lol   

Thanks for the apology, I wasn't offended, just curious.  lol

I make absolutely NO apologies for preferring the 65 year old quite traditional and not at all "new" or "modern" approach to Fantasy elves. 


First, I like that you bring up those portrayals, because the idea behind those designs was to at least try to separate the elves from what humans and dwarfs regularly look like. NO ONE that was human in the LOTR trilogy looked like that, because the whole point about making the elves alien and strange was to make them SO BEAUTIFUL that they might as well be something completely different. Sure, they're pretty, but you can't think of those examples as anything remotely similar to this:



Second of all... what do you mean by "dog sh*t" ? You mean like this ?



I don't think it's a modern approach and it's not a particularly bad one either. Not everyone can be aesthetically beautiful because such a thing is not real in any way, shape or form when it comes to actual reality. It's a silly notion to pretend that elves or humans or any other kind of creature should obligatorily be an object of desire and admiration; if the former was the case, then what would have Jack from BL1 looked like ? What would Bertram Tung ? What would any character if the "correct" standard was for beauty to be prioritized ? And who's to say many of the elves from DA2 weren't beautiful as Good old Merrill was ? Open thy mind, people !

I didn't find Merill to be all that attractive whatsoever (though Fenris was), but no, I wasn't referencing the elves of Dragon Age 2 (DA elves look 100% better in Dragon Age Inquisition, in my opinion), I was referencing the elves of Skyrim.

You have your reasons for feeling the way that you do.  I have my reasons for feeling the way that I do.  I don't understand why you feel the need to call those who see it differently than yourself "silly" or to imply that we are "closed minded". 

And your comment about their beauty making them alien proves my point.  They don't have to be ugly to be alien.  Thank you for that, that is exactly what I was saying. 

I don't want every single race in my RPGs to be beautiful, nor do I need every member of the beautiful races to be beautiful nor have I stated anything of the kind.  But I prefer it when elves are among the pretty races.  ESPECIALLY when the lore CLAIMS they are beautiful, like it does in both Elder Scrolls lore AND Dragon Age lore. That's just how I feel.  Again, I won't apologize for that. 

As for your comparisons of LOTR elves with the other LOTR races, let me just say that I thought several of the humans in the series were gorgeous. 

What's so "not beautiful" about them?  The fact that they have beards?  That doesn't make them "not beautiful" in my eyes, but if you DID shave them and slap pointy ears on them, they would fit right in with the elves, as far as I am concerned.


To be fair, "teh gayness" might've interfered with your appreciation of Merrill's looks. I liked her accent and romanced her because she wasn't a whore, but she was kinda weird and I didn't like her a ton. Gimme some Morrigan. Shady, cougar-y, cool accent, and she wants muh destiny babies.

Well, I do think that I can tell when a female is attractive, I thought Merril was pretty in Dragon Age Origins when she was depicted in the Dalish Origin. 

That was weird.  They COMPLETELY revamped her whole personality for the sequel.  Sort of similar to what they did to Anders.

I loved Morrigan.  Of the straight romances, she was my favorite. 

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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2019, 10:33:45 AM »
For me, before the LOTR movies, fantasy where these games:







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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2019, 10:45:14 AM »
Plus I suggest these amazing animated movies:



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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2019, 11:15:10 AM »
Very cool!  My very early encounters with PC Fantasy (and horror) gaming came from these games: 



























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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2019, 12:44:34 PM »
Played Neverwinter Nights and hated it up to the end (specially the soundtrack)
Played Fable (TLC) and loved every single moment (specially the Greatwood score)
Tried Morrowind and Oblivion, both never continued after the first five minutes
:razz:

Anyway, Wheel Of Time seems promising, I'll search it
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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2019, 01:02:24 PM »
Played Neverwinter Nights and hated it up to the end (specially the soundtrack)
Played Fable (TLC) and loved every single moment (specially the Greatwood score)
Tried Morrowind and Oblivion, both never continued after the first five minutes
:razz:

Anyway, Wheel Of Time seems promising, I'll search it

I loved all of those games.

I haven't been able to get Wheel of Time to work since I had a Windows XP computer, so I don't know if there is a way to get it to work on more modern machines.   People are trying to get GOG to pick it up.  That would be very awesome.  I would love to play it again. 

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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2019, 05:21:59 PM »
Simple method to play old games: pick your windows pc, sterilize it from windows, install linux and in it wine (the windows os emulator for linus also known as "Wine Is Not an Emulator")
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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2019, 07:55:10 PM »


I haven't been able to get Wheel of Time to work since I had a Windows XP computer, so I don't know if there is a way to get it to work on more modern machines.   People are trying to get GOG to pick it up.  That would be very awesome.  I would love to play it again.

It's possible after some shaman dancing around the game https://www.speedrun.com/wot/guide/6eulv

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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2019, 08:17:10 PM »
For me, before the LOTR movies, fantasy where these games:







Wow, the Sacred cover art in other countries was weird. That looks NOTHING like the angel girl (whatever she's called). IN America, it's just a white box with some funky symbol that kinda looks like an orgy of all the different characters' weapons smooshed together.

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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2019, 10:16:34 PM »
Being this game distributed by different local publishers each choosed or commissioned different artworks.
The one I picked is the one by FX Interactive (a small publisher active in Italy and Spain) because being the one I grown with it will have always a special place in my heart <3
But honestly there are a few other really interesting:

Germany (the original one)


UK


France


three different from Russia






The one you talked about I suspect it's the sacred weapon (more like a magical amulet than a conventional weapon) in the game
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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2019, 11:20:55 PM »


I haven't been able to get Wheel of Time to work since I had a Windows XP computer, so I don't know if there is a way to get it to work on more modern machines.   People are trying to get GOG to pick it up.  That would be very awesome.  I would love to play it again.

It's possible after some shaman dancing around the game https://www.speedrun.com/wot/guide/6eulv

Hey thanks!  I will give this a shot!  Also gives us the game free, I see.  Very awesome. 

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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2019, 01:10:44 AM »
To be fair, "teh gayness" might've interfered with your appreciation of Merrill's looks. I liked her accent and romanced her because she wasn't a whore, but she was kinda weird and I didn't like her a ton. Gimme some Morrigan. Shady, cougar-y, cool accent, and she wants muh destiny babies.

"teh gayness". What is this fucking 4chan ? xD

And what's that about "she wasn't a whore" ?

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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2019, 07:05:43 PM »
"teh gayness". What is this fucking 4chan ? xD

I just took it to mean that he can tell that I'm super cool! 


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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2019, 03:11:45 AM »
"teh gayness". What is this fucking 4chan ? xD

I just took it to mean that he can tell that I'm super cool! 



Well, YOU ARE pretty cool for a ventrue >;D !

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Re: Fantasy Lore
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2019, 05:59:00 AM »
"teh gayness". What is this fucking 4chan ? xD

I just took it to mean that he can tell that I'm super cool! 



Well, YOU ARE pretty cool for a ventrue >;D !

That I am, as well as strikingly good looking.  One does not need to be a Toreador to be beautiful, after all.