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Offline [archive] morbid301

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Re: Best and Worst
« on: January 08, 2008, 09:00:00 PM »
                we could go another 12 rounds in the Requiem vs. Masquerade debate, but sadism, necrophilia, and bestiality are too common place to be appreciated. instead we were wondering the thoughts others had on what the best and what the worst aspects of the requiem are just on its own.
 
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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 12:49:00 AM »
                Best: the 5x5 setup regarding the mainstream clans and political/religious factions.  It's simple, but elegant.
 
 Worst: The New Orleans book was published right before Katrina.                        

 

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 01:50:00 AM »
                i didnt mind the bloodline rules. i thought they could gave the game potential for expanse.                        

 

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 10:07:00 PM »
                we're still playing catch up with the nwod, didn't realize that about the new orleans katrina thing. that is pretty bad.
 
 Best: The flexibility of covenant. The covenants can interact with one another without it forced exclusively into the context of adversarial combat. It really opens up the game to interesting alignments and unique conflicts.
 
 Worse: Diminished importance of clan... but it looks like WW is going to be releasing clanbooks soon... so that is something to look forward too.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2008, 01:57:00 AM »
                For anybody who's interested in the new clan books, White Wolf's LiveJournal is probably the best place to get the latest news on their development and publication.                        

 

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 03:24:00 AM »
                Covenent books are pretty good, got Lancea Sanctum, Circle of Crones, and Ordo Dracul. I thought they wanted to trivilize the purpose of clan, which I never liked. I look forward to the Ventrue and Nosferatu. Since they don't have the clan lore anymore I wonder if it's going to be like a Complete Warrior type book.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 10:35:00 AM »
                http://secure1.white-wolf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=64&products_id=913
 
 White-wolf say: " Be there for the return of the Malkavians: Vampires driven insane by a supernatural plague. "
 
 So they might actually try to flesh out the clans by linking thier story to some of Masquerade's concepts                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 10:21:00 PM »
                Getting bloodline doesn't really make sense. It is just like prestige class of 3e D&D. I don't know any logical thing to say other than, it just doesn't sound right.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 11:30:00 PM »
                If you read other bloodline related books, you'll found something's wrong. Each bloodline has its parent clan, thus fitting the 3e D&D core class -> prestige class concept. Then you look into the bloodlline descriptions, hardly any of the bloodlines were emerged due to clan, cause clan has nothing to do with any stories at all they are mere "spieces", meaning ANY clan could pretty much achieve the bloodline logically.
 
 In core book, clans have zero back stories, in bloodlines, we have loads of back stories, yet limited to something that is completely irrelevant.
 
 That's why I said it doesn't make sense. And that's why I really look forward to the clan books, to refresh their meaning of existance which would support the meaning of bloodlines.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 08:55:00 PM »
                well... we think of bloodlines as sort of just that, bloodlines. just families. some are bigger than others, some are older than others, but quite likely the entire clan is comprised of them on some level or another.
 
 it is sort of a prestige class, but it can be couched in the continuity of the game as either the norm or freaks. the biggest distinction is that it is based on clan. so in a real life context it would like selecting caucasian as an ethnicity and one's bloodline being "Kennedy", which gives one a +1 resource for inheritance and a +2 on rolls on political campaigning for name recognition.
 
 and the clan itself may be completely full of those types of anomalies, so that really everyone belongs to a bloodline just some have boosts and some don't. or the clan can just write them off as freaks, which we think they sorta do in most cases, but that's just fine in real life because not everyone is a Kennedy or passing along an albino gene.
 
 think most of the bloodlines are some twist on the clan itself stylistically. so clan matters and as a whole has a story... just spread out over... all of the bloodlines and everyone, but probably isn't united on an origin. does that sort of make sense?
 
 at a certain point though one can throw up their hands and say "they are vampires, whatever." whatever makes them undead might limit them in some ways including bloodline membership. some clans might be able to achieve bloodlines easier than others. one has to assume a bunch of things to reach the point where they can say, it's just not logical.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2008, 09:54:00 PM »
                Hypothesis on my part is that bloodlines would eventually turn out to be one big bluff and the truth will come out: Requiem events happen sometime after the Events in Masquerade , Ghenna events caused reawakened vampires to temporarly forget and view their past as some hazy dream-like thing which caused them to be so unsure about their origins leading them to recreate their society and beliefs in requiem..
 So for example some Makhet would suddenly remember they are actually Setite and other Makhet that they are actually Tremere and they would all understand that the bullshit they called vampire 'history' was actually some big lie  formed by senile elders.
 Makes sense since WW didnt issue any new DA background aside from Rome which is too distant to recall?.
 
 Yeah it probably conflicts with the ending WW gave Masquerade but maybe they will find a way to take it back somehow and reintroduce the old clans under the new setting.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2008, 02:49:00 AM »
                I might as well pre-order it.  The Ventrue have always struck me as being the perfect blend between old school (Feudalism) and new school (Wall Street), both in the nWoD and the oWoD.  The setting definitely benefits from using them as a strong backbone in a lot of chronicles.                        

 

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2008, 02:06:00 PM »
                Best : A ruleset which is easier to apply and follow
 
 Worst: Only people from the US play it(as in its US based) which makes playing it online next to impossiable
 
 Howie I think it does makes sense cause Malkavians are something like Ventrue gone insane in their mythology.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2008, 10:49:00 PM »
                eh...
 
 we're pretty sure masquerade is dead and just never was. integrating the two... would be... lame.
 
 rome was more a setting book with the ingredients to have a roman age chronicle, not really to transplant that into a contemporary story. even the information of the origin in the setting story is left to ST discretion.
 
 don't think the WW folks ever plan to set forward a definitive answer to the whole nWoD. hard to shock or frighten players that think they have all the answers. the new clans are way better than the old ones anyway.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: Best and Worst
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 11:54:00 PM »
                Won't say if it's better or worse, I like it nontheless, 5 distinct types of vampires, simple as that even though pointless.
 
 The problem is, bloodline requires blood potency, if it's nothing more than just "bloodlines", why would blood potency be required? Doesn't it spread out the moment you were embraced? Instead of obtaining through focus of your blood which you could choose later on? Or perhaps we should put it in sci-fi point of view and say, all the bloodline genes are in the clan, it takes time and practice for one to evoke the selected genes to be what it is.
 
 Still pondering the clanbook would fill out what the clans really are.