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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Signothorn on November 28, 2006, 01:52:00 AM
                A while back I made a feeble attempt to create an interactive story about vampires at a different forum because I deemed my general knowledge of VtM to be too feelbe to justify a real story here. However, general interest died down soon enough and I seemed to be the only one with any kind of desire to keep going. I think it's a shame that it had to happen and I'm considering starting over and moving that story here instead. I just need to think.
 
 Originally, it wasn't based on the WoD as a whole but rather a tailored version of my own making (largely similar but still not quite) ment to be more newbie friendly so I don't know how I'll convert it. I could just keep it psuedo WoD and not change much at all. I'll give it a shot if people are interested. Vampires are vampires and we all love them, don't we?
 
 If there's any indication of people wanting to see what I'm babbling about I'll try to explain the basics.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] ElGostro on November 28, 2006, 02:17:00 AM
                Why the hell nots!
 AT the very worst the only bad thing that could happen would be all of us brotherhood of PV forumites  making secret contact and conconting a conspiracy so that we all can get to your home,tear down your door,kidnap your family, drag you out of the house and kill you in some really corny picturesque ritual for posting a bad story that woke no interesties!!!!
 YAHAHAHAHAHAHAS!
 
 ...
 
 Or uh,maybes the more able minded intelligent people ere wud be able ta help you out correct some stuff!=P                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Slaydin on November 28, 2006, 05:45:00 AM
                I've seen pseudo-WoD attempts before-- every single one of them either died by the second page due to confusion and rule disputes, or the stories do not take off at all and die with only one post. All you really need is the core rule book of Vampire: The Masquerade to do a chronicle. The other books are just supplements to expand on details and give the storyteller ideas. You need the reference of a core rule book so everybody knows how to play.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 28, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
                In Reply To #3
 well, ive never played in any... i suppose id be willing to give it ago... im really not sure how this whole interactive story board thing works... so why not.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on November 29, 2006, 01:23:00 AM
                In Reply To #4
 
 
 *SEE: PV vamp club scene thread MODESTY!                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 29, 2006, 01:34:00 AM
                In Reply To #5
 
 Yeah but I did that once before and I'd like to try something different. The structure is like this:
 I post what people should know and an intro and then the players post something from their character's perspective. Eventually, I move the story along with my plot devices and such and so, creativity is encouraged and we all have a good time. Hopefully.
 
 Rulebooks and similar stuff might come in handy for certain things but in all, it's more like a story than a pnp game. I'm leaning toward converting it to full WoD so to speak but it might take a while. I'm helping others too.
 Right now I don't know if I should make the effort. I don't see much interest and I'd rather not spend countless hours of my life on something that will be ignored.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Vongetta on November 29, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
                In Reply To #6
 
Crazy-Legs posted:

 In Reply To #5
 Right now I don't know if I should make the effort. I don't see much interest and I'd rather not spend countless hours of my life on something that will be ignored.

 
 If you think it's a waste of your time, then don't do it. If you think it's a good idea that you want to start, then do it.
 
 Simple as that.
 
 Whether or not the fish want to bite is up to them. If they don't, that's that. If they do, then congratulations, your idea kicked off.
 
 Honestly, I didn't spend hours wondering if my PV club thread would work or not. I even thought the whole idea was pretty silly at first, but so what? It's a silly thread, and if PV members can't take a joke, then it's their loss, not mine.
 
 You decide. Ball's in yer court.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 29, 2006, 03:30:00 AM
                In Reply To #7
 i really dont see what you meen by part wod and full wod. isnt the golden rule that what the storyteller says goes? its your thread, so really, if you decide to leave out some aspect or add something in... lets say we go back to (what i would call cannon vampire lore) bram stokers dracula and that vampires can walk out in the sunlight. there nocturnal creatures, so they generally dont, but they can do it. its still your game/story.
 
 im intersted... especialy that we write what we think the others should know, instead of what is...
 
 
 ... the above was just an example...                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Miyo34949332 on November 29, 2006, 05:14:00 AM
                In Reply To #7
 
 i agree
 
 i for one would be interested                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 29, 2006, 07:11:00 AM
                In Reply To #8
 
arathalion posted:

 stuff
 

 
 Gold is an overrated metal and I believe in democracy.
 Most clan stereotypes can be applied to "normal" people (and vampires) and their motivations so if I keep the story the way it used to be it won't destroy anyone's favourite concept other than the base cosmetics and clan mentality. My old character could be best described as Malkavian...
 
 I pulled enough material out of my ass earlier to make it work for the folks over at the other forum so if I posted it here it might just be the matter of being an aquired taste. Like sardines. Or I could be forever branded a heretic and staked for everyone's pleasure. It's all good.
 
 The base idea of the story is like this: There's a city that has served as a safe haven for the suckers since the 30's and they've been surviving by masking their existence from the outside world. Unfortunatly, not all people respect the voice of common sense and a new "recruit" ends their own life in front of some mortals after refusing to accept their newfound immortality. This mess draws the attention of vampire hunters to the area and the relative peace is shattered. I never intended for the story to be an all out slugfest but as we all know, hunters aren't very open for negotiations. The story will center around covering up any traces of the incident in the effort to restore the vampiric sanctuary.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Vongetta on November 29, 2006, 07:14:00 AM
                In Reply To #10
 
 Sounds cool. I'll take a seat on the bandwagon. How strict are the rules, or is it loose, such as how much do actual character stats figure? Or is this more of a story-telling style, with the plot more in focus than who bests who because he/she has higher Brawl points, etc?                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 29, 2006, 07:27:00 AM
                In Reply To #11
 
 I'd say it's option number two. The only thing that matters if we're talking "stats" is the nature of your vampiric powers but I'll post info on that eventually. Of course, there are other rules like the respect for each other's characters and roleplaying concepts and the classic "no ├╝ber characters" rule but I don't think that will be an issue.
 
 As for characters, I'm leaving it pretty open. People can have their seductive monsters, lost boys gangs, highborn predators or noble savages. A Ravnos by any other name... or something...                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 29, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
                In Reply To #12
 so that means that there are no clans??? *grins*                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Vongetta on November 29, 2006, 07:45:00 AM
                Ummm...so you mean it's more of a storytelling style?                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 29, 2006, 06:33:00 PM
                In Reply To #13
 
 Clans are just stereotypes and while they may be a boatload of fun, they can also cripple some concepts. I chose to exclude that out of this story to give players more freedom. Of course, that means more initial chaos but whatevs.
 
 And yeah. Check the Family Business threads for a basic idea but it'll be a bit less complicated than that. I'm not creative enough for that kind of thing.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Miyo34949332 on November 29, 2006, 11:43:00 PM
                In Reply To #15
 
 will you posting a synopsis similar to that of family business?
 
 can we choose clans if we wish?                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 30, 2006, 12:00:00 AM
                In Reply To #16
 
 Synopsis? My English isn't nearly as good as I make it out to be so do explain.
 
 And explain what you mean by that clanthing. People can be anything they ever could be and the various clan stereotypes can be applied to any character. I did say that my initial character in this story was "Malkavian" IE, vamp with a head full of fishbowl. Not so kooky, though. More like traumatised and brooding, reliving the moment that broke him constantly. But by clan I guess you mean the traditional sense with cause and effect? A society within the society, clanmates feeling a certain bond and somesuch. Power born from seperate bloodlines. My original idea was based on Bram Stoker's Dracula but I ended up using some VtM Disciplines out of sense of familiarity.
 
 I think I need more details on what you're asking...                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 12:37:00 AM
                In Reply To #17
 what i ment was precicly that, are there clans like in vtm or, as you have said, is it more like dracula... there are just vampires, and we can create our charactors as we see fit, and so if you want a character that could be discribed as a malkavian, then you play a character that is a malkavian, but not... less restricing, but yes, i think you answerd my question.
 
 a synopsis is a short ecplination of what IS.
 the first post of the disscuation thread for family business is an example.
 
 i hope im makeing sence (ive been lossing the ability to speak english over the last year... i think its the way ive been looking at language... and my lerning another, sorry)                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 30, 2006, 01:42:00 AM
                In Reply To #18
 
arathalion posted:

 In Reply To #17
 what i ment was precicly that, are there clans like in vtm or, as you have said, is it more like dracula... there are just vampires, and we can create our charactors as we see fit, and so if you want a character that could be discribed as a malkavian, then you play a character that is a malkavian, but not... less restricing, but yes, i think you answerd my question.
 
 a synopsis is a short ecplination of what IS.
 the first post of the disscuation thread for family business is an example.
 
 i hope im makeing sence (ive been lossing the ability to speak english over the last year... i think its the way ive been looking at language... and my lerning another, sorry)

 
 Like Dracula, yes. They're "just" vampires but most clannish molds can be applied if needed to suit the mood. Some basic allround powers too but I think we should discuss that when it's time. Depends on the players and right now, I think I need to see more enthusiasm from the crowd before I actually do something. I'd hate to end up with only one player...
 
 Well I hardly ever kickstart stories. I think a lot before posting things and yes, you'll know what you need to know after a few intro posts so no worries there. Actually, I might write too much and make it incoherent but that's what the discussion thread is for!
 
 And don't worry about the English. I understand perfectly.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 02:01:00 AM
                In Reply To #19
 well, i count 3 so far.
 
 and i must say i really like this idea... might go read dracula again actually... all this talk about him everywhere *grins*                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Miyo34949332 on November 30, 2006, 02:04:00 AM
                In Reply To #19
 
 i guess i was wondering how the story would work especially with respect towards the politics between clans and all that mumbo jumbo                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 02:12:00 AM
                In Reply To #21
 
 ever read any other vampire litrature?
 
 its basically works the way WoD works only without the pretence of clans. just meens you have to find another excuse to run a wooden stake through someone and take of there head.
                       

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Slaydin on November 30, 2006, 06:59:00 AM
                In WoD, you can have any Nature or Demeanor you want, regardless of clan. Derangements and Disciplines are not restricted to clan. Many vampires develop psychosis, regardless of clan. The misnomer is that Derangements are restricted to Malkavians. Anyone from any clan can develop a derangement. Same with Disciplines. One may learn any Discipline they want regardless of clan. In fact, it is very common to have 4 or more Disciplines if you are over a century old.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 07:26:00 AM
                In Reply To #23
 there is alot more than that to what deffines a clan, such as politics. only malkavians can enter the malkavian madness network (hence malkavian insight).
 
 also sterio types do ristrict your character some what. whilst it is possible to have a character that is completely acceptable to clan sterio types, you have to be able to come up with a way to tie the character to the clan.
 
 it all verry much depends on the story teller, and personally i like the idea.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Slaydin on November 30, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
                In Reply To #24
 
arathalion posted:

 also sterio types do ristrict your character some what. whilst it is possible to have a character that is completely acceptable to clan sterio types, you have to be able to come up with a way to tie the character to the clan.

 
 No you don't. Not if you don't want to. Even tight-knit clans  have their loners. It is called being an autarkis, one who is of the clan's blood, but outside its political structure.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 10:14:00 AM
                In Reply To #25
 yes you can, but still there has to be a reason as to there embrace... i didnt say the tie to the clan had to perpetually exist, it could verry well have been severed. but still, they are raritys and i think we are straying a bit.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Vongetta on November 30, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
                Sounds right up my alley. I think it's a good idea especially for those who don't have so much WoD knowledge, but know enough to be able to roleplay a convincing vampire character, with their own elements thrown in to make it more tangible.
 
 3's a good number to start with. If there's too large a number for starters, it might be difficult to work out.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 30, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
                In Reply To #21
 
Miyo posted:

 In Reply To #19
 
 i guess i was wondering how the story would work especially with respect towards the politics between clans and all that mumbo jumbo

 
 Human existence is defined by a concious effort to gain and abuse power for personal gain. As such, vampiric politics do exist in "my" world too. However, with the absence of actual sect opposition, clan rivalry and the overall rarity of vampires in general, it's a bit different.
 
 Basically, if you're old enough, you're expected to know enough not to fuck up and "safe" cities that have been secured are generally ruled by an Elder Council with their own internal bickering and their own guidelines for their undead citizens based on experience. They usually also have mortal contacts in high positions to ensure safety like the chief of police, mayor and such.
 
 Feel free to ask anything that I didn't explain. I'm happy to help in any way I can to make things understandable.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on November 30, 2006, 12:51:00 PM
                In Reply To #28
 
 ah hell cl, if u build it, ill check it out.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Slaydin on November 30, 2006, 08:41:00 PM
                In Reply To #28
 
Crazy-Legs posted:

 Basically, if you're old enough, you're expected to know enough not to fuck up and "safe" cities that have been secured are generally ruled by an Elder Council with their own internal bickering and their own guidelines for their undead citizens based on experience. They usually also have mortal contacts in high positions to ensure safety like the chief of police, mayor and such.

 
 Sounds identical to a Primogen without a Prince.
 
 You have to remember that it is human nature, and even moreso vampire nature, to be violent, want strong leadership, and horde power for themselves. Cultures have always had some sort of a single, unifying head: a king, emperor, Prince, etc. even if the position is weak and manipulated by a more powerful council.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 08:51:00 PM
                In Reply To #30
 yes, but if its just a councel then it would just be one who commands respect.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Slaydin on November 30, 2006, 08:59:00 PM
                In Reply To #31
 
 That's not the point. The point is, if there isn't an existing figurehead, *somebody* is going to reach for that position forcibly.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 09:08:00 PM
                In Reply To #32
 ill not argue with that...                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on November 30, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
                In Reply To #30
 
Scipoten posted:

 You have to remember that it is human nature, and even moreso vampire nature, to be violent, want strong leadership, and horde power for themselves.

 
 Hence the bickering and overall ineffectiveness in dealing with covering up the scandal before hunters find out. Everyone wants to be the leader but tradition demands a council. However, if it proves too messy I could go with the typical city governor figure like a Prince or a similar role.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Slaydin on November 30, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
                In Reply To #34
 
 Even with councils there are "unofficial" leaders and hierarchy. Everybody knows it, but no one says it.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Vongetta on November 30, 2006, 11:07:00 PM
                In Reply To #35
 
 I don't think CL intended to leave out your last suggestion about "unofficial leaders". If he did, then there'd be not much of a story left. I think CL knows what he's doing, the picture will become clearer once he's worked out his synopsis and the starting thread for the story.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] ElGostro on November 30, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
                I ll moves in soon enoughs!                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on November 30, 2006, 11:23:00 PM
                In Reply To #35
 thats actully the point i was trying to make                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on December 01, 2006, 02:43:00 PM
                In Reply To #35
 
 Already taken into consideration. I was working on that when the old story died. However, I'm not sure you mean what I mean. Care to elaborate?                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] ElGostro on December 01, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
                POST IT CRAZYS!!!WE BELIEVE IN YOU!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on December 02, 2006, 01:22:00 AM
                In Reply To #40
 
 Faith means nothing. Without "approved" material, I'm fucked. What I have right now won't do at all and frankly, I think I should just give up. There's a limit to everything and I can't think of everything I need to.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on December 02, 2006, 01:25:00 AM
                In Reply To #41
 
 c-l if you cant hold your story together, i can help, i am after all a writer *Wink*, if your facts are all wrong obviously scipoten is your man (hes just dying ((No pun indended)) to lay some knowhow on some mothers). or if your just being your wishy wahsy chalie-brown-esque self, then...i got nothing...                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] ElGostro on December 02, 2006, 01:26:00 AM
                Man if yer not gonna have faith in yourself who will?
 
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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] arathalion_5 on December 02, 2006, 01:33:00 AM
                In Reply To #43
 ill help if you want... im quite happy to help with whatever.                        

 

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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Skinweaver on December 02, 2006, 03:18:00 AM
                I think I'll just let things happen. I had some hope that my old story would reach some sort of revival but it's obvious that my old players have moved on and don't give a shit anymore. I'll work out the kicks as I go along.
 I am after all doing this for fun. Not as a second job. Or... only job... damn Reinfeldt... but anyway, I'll go with what I have.
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Title: Re: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Vongetta on December 02, 2006, 03:38:00 AM
                CL, stop grumbling and post your story already! Can't you see we're all raring to go!
 
 Even if our beloved loremaster Scip lays waste to your stories, he's great at providing information we might not know about WoD, and whatever he says is always useful for more ideas for your vampire story...even if its not true WoD canon.
 
 *looks back as Scip starts sharpening his claws and goes for her* Okay, okay.                        

 

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Title: Thinking here
Post by: [archive] Slaydin on December 02, 2006, 05:01:00 AM
                In Reply To #46
 *raps claws*
 
 C-L, post it or don't.
 
 
 If it's going to be based on WoD, please stick to the books and its rules. If it will be completely different from WoD with maybe a touch of WoD elements, I'll shut up.