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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2014, 04:42:45 AM »
//Work in Progress

The Bloodline : Dragutharr (placeholder for now)
 
Founder: The Founder was a migrating tribesman during the Neolithic era.
The land in which the tribe was farming became corrupt and the tribe began wandering to the north-west of europe to find new land. While travelling his tribe was massacred by monsters(Demons? Prehistoric Animals? Mythological creatures? God? Elves?)  by the shores of a lake surrounded by giant rocks (the monsters were hidden in the rocks). Only the Founder, and three of his friends survived the onslaught by hiding in the lake’s shallows, the rest of the tribe were either dead or captured.
 While the Monsters were feasting on the fallen, the survivors sought to escape , to do so the Founder stealthily killed one of the monsters, as he did so he tasted the monster’s blood and gained some of its power and bloodlust, instead of escaping the Founder sought to kill more of the monsters, taking them by surprise with his new power he spilled and gorged on their blood and gaining more of their power. 
But the Gods didn’t like that the Founder was gaining so much power and as the battle-worn and wounded Founder was washed with the blood of his enemies after his victory ,the Gods made it so his Friends did not recognize him and thought he was a monster, they trapped and killed the Founder.
In the aftermath only one of the survivors, a seer, was able to see through the god’s deception. after the others left she dragged the founders body to the shadow of the stone and resurrected him (using monster blood?) but the Founder was filled with bloodlust and couldn’t help but gorge on her blood, she cursed him as the last drop of blood escaped her veins.

((The Founder wandered the more some more, by some variations becoming one of the gods to civilizations he encountered: using his strength he built megalithic circular stone monuments/altars where mortals made sacrifices to him?))

Dark Ages: TBD

Modern Nights: TBD



Alternate variations on story:TBD
Associated animal: Lone wolf?
Powers: TBD
Power-base: ?Intimidation, ?Lore/Faith/"Fate", ?Metamorphosis,
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2014, 04:43:20 AM »
Since we are posting works in progress, anyway ill comment and add more later, need sleep

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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2014, 04:44:03 AM »
@ Nigama
If you're figuring in influence over dreams... I'd say factor in Morpheus (god of sleep and false dreams) somehow. Interestingly, Morpheus is the brother of Death. There's got to be a connection there. The dream-state being a threshold between the sleeping world and the waking world, like vampires are at the threshold between life and death? Also, if the threshold motif keeps going, there's the whole "Vampires cannot cross the threshold of a home unless invited inside by someone with the authority to do so" business.

@ Radical21
For animal association, any solitary violent predator sounds like it would do. Animals famous for going it alone are the ones along the line of the wolverine (considered too vicious to be sociable), the eagle (the high-flyin' solo type), the aforementioned lone wolf (though traditionally wolves are first thought of as a pack; it works for the monsters who attacked the Founder, but doesn't work quite as well for the Founder himself), and of all things, the weasel (it's sneaky and mean-looking). If you like the association with the eagle, for inspiration on the monsters, check out the first Beast Master movie. There are some cool-looking bird-monster-people-eating critters in there. Though they may be hawkish instead of aquiline...
Are you talking north-western Europe as in France, or north-western Europe as in Denmark/Norway? I don't think people of the Neolithic era could've managed to migrate to the British Isles. From the sound of it, I'm guessing more Denmark/Norway.

For my own part, I'm going to re-read the Popol Vuh when I find it again and see if I can get inspiration for a Mexican/Aztec branch of vampirism. (It's technically Mayan, but I'm willing to overlook that in favor of geographical expediency.) I remember something about a Hell of Bones that was the domain of a rather mean, evil, and tricky kind of god, so maybe this branch would have more in common with the Tzimisce.
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2014, 06:22:31 AM »
For my own part, I'm going to re-read the Popol Vuh when I find it again and see if I can get inspiration for a Mexican/Aztec branch of vampirism. (It's technically Mayan, but I'm willing to overlook that in favor of geographical expediency.) I remember something about a Hell of Bones that was the domain of a rather mean, evil, and tricky kind of god, so maybe this branch would have more in common with the Tzimisce.

The Popol Vuh is more Mayan and does deal a lot with the hero brothers and their father.  Kindof cool as it relates to the Dusk till Dawn tv show, but even that is technically a separate tradition from the Lords of Night from the Aztec mythology.  And there is one of the Lords of Night (they are a real thing) that is snake oriented.  I don't know if the creators of the show will go that way or with the Mayan lords of Xibalba, I'm guessing more towards the Aztec influence personally.  Which means snake oriented which prolly means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicue or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaloc.  I'm thinking of basing my Aztec group off of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itztli . It's a bit more primitive and wild than the Greek lineage.  Female oriented.  In Aztec culture a person lived *as the god* for one year and then was sacrificed in that god's name.  I'm thinking the god came down and revived the body afterward, but I'm still playing with the idea.

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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2014, 04:12:07 PM »

@ Radical21
For animal association, any solitary violent predator sounds like it would do. Animals famous for going it alone are the ones along the line of the wolverine (considered to vicious to be sociable), the eagle (the high-flyin' solo type), the aforementioned lone wolf (though traditionally wolves are first thought of as a pack; it works for the monsters who attacked the Founder, but doesn't work quite as well for the Founder himself), and of all things, the weasel (it's sneaky and mean-looking). If you like the association with the eagle, for inspiration on the monsters, check out the first Beast Master movie. There are some cool-looking bird-monster-people-eating critters in there. Though they may be hawkish instead of aquiline...
Are you talking north-western Europe as in France, or north-western Europe as in Denmark/Norway? I don't think people of the Neolithic era could've managed to migrate to the British Isles. From the sound of it, I'm guessing more Denmark/Norway.


I was talking around the region of the Netherlands/Denmark/Sweden/Norway etc... also the British isles because there was migration to there at the late neolithic era although I think that based on the genetic finding it is more likely that the migration to England was from already well established Cultures at the region that is now France/Belgium and the Iberian Peninsula  that according to findings were there from the early times of the Neolithic revolution. I didn't study this part so much but even though I can imagine early civilization were afraid of the mysterious deep sea they could have built and traveled there by boats/rafts or if the sea froze during the last ice age that they could have walked on it (again I didn't study this so no idea if it actually did) also keep in mind that the water level was not the same and only started to rise towards the Neolithic revolution so the gap was smaller.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderney#Numismatic_history)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene

I'm not looking to detail the monsters too much mostly since keeping it for speculation is much more versatile towards the imagination of the reader and it would be nice if different sects within the sect could have their own views on that if we ever do a Bloodline book or so, origin stories should be vague.

The Lynx is a fairly sneaky and solitary yet powerful carnivore so I may use that one as inspiration.



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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2014, 02:02:57 AM »
There are a few promising leads in the Popol Vuh. Apparently there were two proto-human races made by the gods. The first of these was one made of clay that turned out to be stupid, mute, and shapeless. If I went with that, I'd make vampires HAVE to drink human blood (and possibly consume human flesh and bone as well) in order to maintain their human shapes. If they stopped drinking blood, they'd collapse into their base components, in this case dirt/clay. There's already a bit of that in vampire mythology, as most vampires collapse into ash after they are destroyed.
The second race was a race of "manikins" carved out of wood. They were animate, and social, and apparently bred like rabbits, but were also stupid and didn't worship the gods in the way the gods wanted to be worshipped. So the gods basically sicced all of nature on them (from carnivorous animals all the way down to bowls, spoons, and tortilla griddles!) and "pulverized" them all. Granted, it doesn't sound very vampiric, but they apparently "had no blood, no lymph [, no bodily fluids]" (Popol Vuh Revised Edition, trans. Dennis Tedlock, pg. 71), which could explain their thirst for blood (something they don't have, but "need" to "become human"), and it could work with the process of staking - returning like to like, as in "dust to dust, ashes to ashes" - or in this case, "wood to wood".

And speaking of Xibalba, there's an excellently-named under-god guy who goes by "Blood Gatherer", and his daughter is the mother of Hunahpu and Xbalanque (the two hero-brothers of the whole book). The story of their birth is just about as far as I've gotten so far, but it seems promising to make an apocryphal spinoff, perhaps where their mother has a third, imperfect child who becomes a vampire by returning to the fold of their grandfather Blood Gatherer.
To quote: "There are the lords named Scab Stripper and Blood Gatherer. And this is their commission: to draw blood from people." (natch; Popol Vuh, Revised Edition, trans. Dennis Tedlock, pg. 92)

For animal associations, owls seem to be the messengers of the Lords of Death, so they could probably double as being associated with vampires. Silent, predatory night creatures. It fits.

As to powers... I am uncertain. But the basic strength, endurance, and speed would probably apply. If Hunahpu and Xbalanque won their battles primarily through their "genius"/smarts, then perhaps the imperfect child could be brutish and strong, and win primarily through strength. I'm also thinking a Necromancy/Mortis type of sorcery these vampires can practice, since they're associated with the Lords of Death.
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2014, 05:08:52 AM »
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Blood Lineage: Tzitzimimeh

Founder: Itzpapalotl the Clawed Butterfly.  It was during the month of Itzpapalotl's mortal avatar's designated sacrifice that the Spanish conquistadors landed and began to attack the native Aztec populations.  The conquistadors put an end to ritual sacrifice, unfortunately just before Itzpapalotl's living avatar was supposed to be sacrificed.  Instead, the avatar was spared by the Spanish. In retribution, Itzpapalotl descended from the stars and in a rage traded her blood with her avatar, damning her to a cursed existence and then began a plan to punish those who had broken the old rules. Itzy continued to take her vengeance out on the Aztec people, but when she realized that no other gods or Tzitzimimeh had descended with her, she slowly began to shift her anger towards the Spanish instead, using her power to influence her avatar's progeny.

Blood Strengths: Beauty, Invisibility, Morphing Claws, Quickness, Darkness

Associated Animals: Bat, Moth, Birds, Fire (? maybe not the right place?), Deer

Blood Weaknesses:  special weakness against the sun, but reversed during rare periods of a solar eclipse (edit: maybe they can actually act and go out in "daylight" during a solar eclipse (minutes at most).).

Power Base:  Seduction, Stealth, Manipulation, Lies, Secrets, Beauty, Predominant creation of female vampires
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2014, 03:36:24 AM »
Update and some more WIP:

//Work in Progress

The Bloodline : Dragutharr (placeholder for now)
 
Founder: The Founder was a migrating tribesman during the Neolithic era.
The land in which the tribe was farming became corrupt and the tribe began wandering to the north-west of europe to find new land. While travelling his tribe was massacred by monsters(Demons? Prehistoric Animals? Mythological creatures? God? Elves?)  by the shores of a lake surrounded by giant rocks . Only the Founder, and three of his friends survived the onslaught by hiding in the lake’s shallows, the rest of the tribe were either dead or captured.
 While the Monsters were feasting on the fallen, the survivors sought to escape , to do so the Founder stealthily killed one of the monsters, as he did so he tasted the monster’s blood and gained some of its power and bloodlust, instead of escaping the Founder sought to kill more of the monsters, taking them by surprise with his new power he spilled and gorged on their blood and gaining more of their power. 
But the Gods didn’t like that the Founder was gaining so much power and as the battle-worn and wounded Founder was washed with the blood of his enemies after his victory ,the Gods made it so his Friends did not recognize him and thought he was a monster, they trapped and killed the Founder.
In the aftermath only one of the survivors, a seer, was able to see through the god’s deception. after the others left she dragged the founders body to the shadow of the stone and resurrected him (using monster blood?) but the Founder was filled with bloodlust and couldn’t help but gorge on her blood, she cursed him as the last drop of blood escaped her veins.

((The Founder wandered the more some more, by some variations becoming one of the gods to civilizations he encountered: using his strength he built megalithic circular stone monuments/altars where mortals made sacrifices to him?))

Dark Ages: TBD

Modern Day: TBD

Alternate variations on story:TBD
Associated animal: Lynx (sneaky solitary predatory animal)
Weakness:  Enemies receive dreams that hint of the location of the gate to their stone circle/ haven and during solstice nights and equinox they must remain inside the circle.
Powers: Potence, Auspex?/Obfuscate?, Misc discipline?
Power-base: ?Intimidation, ?Lore/Faith, ?Shapechange


//<Maybe WIP , tell me what you think>

Bloodline Lineage: Lilu / Eloh

Founder:  The Lilu (or ‘Eloh’ as the later emergent male offshoot of the bloodline are called)  claims the lineage true founder , Lilith , escaped the ‘Garden of Eden’ located in the region of ancient Mesopotamia.  The garden was a cage built by extraterrestrials to study and nurture proto-humans and other animals ,  to change them(and study them) in a controlled environment  before injecting them back into the earth.
 Lillith and the other extraterrestrials who built the garden were an augmented , immortal form of advanced humans, scholars above all..
According to the story the Garden of Eden was destroyed after Adam and Eve escaped from it prematurely. Lilith however refused to abandon the earth despite being unable to withstand the earth’s sun.

As civilization evolved Lilith used her blood to transform worthy female that could carry on her legacy,  however time and time again the transformation made the women barren. Lillith was also known for seducing and feeding on the blood of males as well as experimenting on human infants to horrific ends. It is said that after some time Lilith abandoned her creations , gifting her first ‘daughter’ with hair that could form into bloodsucking tendrils or allow for flight when unbound..

 Introduction of transformed Males(Eloh) into the bloodline became gradually more acceptable through the ages although even in the modern nights they are rarely able to advance to high status within the Lineage.

The Blood Lineage had to be secretive of their heretical beliefs , using seduction to lure their prey.

Powers: Hirah (traditionally only taught to females) , Demon form(minor transformation power traditionally only taught to males) , Auspex, Presence.
(if we are using a system other than V20 let me know what it is) 

Associated animals: Barn Owl

Weakness: Heightened Passion/Urges makes stopping during feeding or other hedonistic activities harder + their controversial beliefs and darwinism are barely tolerated by other lineages and must remain secret..

Note: I am considering a different mesopotamian blood lineage instead but either way it seems that the culture’s various vampire traditions were all female seductress.
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2014, 05:54:38 PM »
Gentlemen, please check your PM's for a discussion of terminology for the Origin Project. 

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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2014, 05:59:00 PM »
Personally, I'm getting tired of the old standbys of "Strength", "Dexterity", "Constitution", etc. For my RPG, I just swapped out some synonyms for the same effect: Strength became Brawn, Dexterity was broken up into Reflexes and Acrobatics (because a gymnast is not automatically going to be good at picking locks, no matter what most RPGs have to say), and Constitution became Hardiness and Stamina.
My approach to what characters can and cannot do is based off a slightly different model than what we see in most RPGs; I have lots of Attributes/Stats/Personal Characteristics, but fewer skills and abilities.
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 06:07:15 PM »
I'm fine with that, but you're describing what to call/name those basic attributes and my terminology was based more around Blood Strength powers.  How to structure and what to call the basic attributes is certainly another discussion we'd need to have if fleshing this out to a full game, but can probably be left out if just creating the IP... I think.

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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2014, 07:15:23 PM »
Can we create this in a different discussion titled " Origin Project : Mechanics" while this topic will remain "Origin Project: Lore" ?

I think we can all agree that VTM/VTR system has flaws or things that don't make much sense but that is a lengthy discussion in itself that should probably take place in another topic so we don't get lost in our posting and can still get feedback on the lore stuff

Edit: About Blood Lineages : the way I see it most Lineages do not include any organization/politics while some special ones do due to it being part of the concept (kind of similar to how Tremere, Assamite, Setite, Giovanni, etc have this inner-sect thing)
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2014, 12:58:34 AM »
Added another Lineage:

//Work in Progress

Blood Lineage : Dragutharr (placeholder for now)
 
Founder: The Founder was a migrating tribesman during the Neolithic era.
The land in which the tribe was farming became corrupt and the tribe began wandering to the north-west of europe to find new land. While travelling his tribe was massacred by monsters(Demons? Prehistoric Animals? Mythological creatures? God? Elves?)  by the shores of a lake surrounded by giant rocks . Only the Founder, and three of his friends survived the onslaught by hiding in the lake’s shallows, the rest of the tribe were either dead or captured.
 While the Monsters were feasting on the fallen, the survivors sought to escape , to do so the Founder stealthily killed one of the monsters, as he did so he tasted the monster’s blood and gained some of its power and bloodlust, instead of escaping the Founder sought to kill more of the monsters, taking them by surprise with his new power he spilled and gorged on their blood and gaining more of their power. 
But the Gods didn’t like that the Founder was gaining so much power and as the battle-worn and wounded Founder was washed with the blood of his enemies after his victory ,the Gods made it so his Friends did not recognize him and thought he was a monster, they trapped and killed the Founder.
In the aftermath only one of the survivors, a seer, was able to see through the god’s deception. after the others left she dragged the founders body to the shadow of the stone and resurrected him (using monster blood?) but the Founder was filled with bloodlust and couldn’t help but gorge on her blood, she cursed him as the last drop of blood escaped her veins.

((The Founder wandered the more some more, by some variations becoming one of the gods to civilizations he encountered: using his strength he built megalithic circular stone monuments/altars where mortals made sacrifices to him?))

Dark Ages: TBD

Modern Day: TBD

Blood Strengths:

Associated animal: Lynx (sneaky solitary predatory animal)

Weakness:  Enemies receive dreams that hint of the location of the gate to their stone circle/ haven and during solstice nights and equinox they must remain inside the circle.

Power-base: ?Intimidation, ?Lore/Faith, ?Shapechange



Bloodline Lineage: Lilu / Eloh

Founder:  The Lilu (or ‘Eloh’ as the later emergent male offshoot of the bloodline are called)  claims the lineage true founder , Lilith , escaped the ‘Garden of Eden’ located in the region of ancient Mesopotamia.  The garden was a cage built by extraterrestrials to study and nurture proto-humans and other animals ,  to change them(and study them) in a controlled environment  before injecting them back into the earth.
 Lillith and the other extraterrestrials who built the garden were an augmented , immortal form of advanced humans, scholars above all..
According to the story the Garden of Eden was destroyed after Adam and Eve escaped from it prematurely. Lilith however refused to abandon the earth despite being unable to withstand the earth’s sun.

As civilization evolved Lilith used her blood to transform worthy female that could carry on her legacy,  however time and time again the transformation made the women barren. Lillith was also known for seducing and feeding on the blood of males as well as experimenting on human infants to horrific ends. It is said that after some time Lilith abandoned her creations , gifting her first ‘daughter’ with hair that could form into bloodsucking tendrils or allow for flight when unbound..

 Introduction of transformed Males(Eloh) into the bloodline became gradually more acceptable through the ages although even in the modern nights they are rarely able to advance to high status within the Lineage.

The Blood Lineage had to be secretive of their heretical beliefs , using seduction to lure their prey.

Powers: Hirah (traditionally only taught to females) , Demon form(minor transformation power traditionally only taught to males) , Auspex, Presence.
(if we are using a system other than V20 let me know what it is) 

Associated animals: Barn Owl

Weakness: Heightened Passion/Urges makes stopping during feeding or other hedonistic activities harder + their controversial beliefs and darwinism are barely tolerated by other lineages and must remain secret..




Blood lineage : Reven

Founder :  Unknown founder ,historically their center of influence spread from the area of the british isles during the dark ages. the Lineage is fairly secretive and its origin is ambiguously claimed to be the fabled isle of Avalon where King Arthur was sent to after his death to become immortal. Throughout all ages the members of the Lineage remained secretive about what they are, commanding their mortal peons from the shadows and covering themselves completely in armor to preserve their incognito status . traditionally the older members of the lineage are an embodiment of the unknown ,revealing thing, not even a sign of flesh behind their animated garments, younger members may be more liberal but one have to wonder if they are created the same as these elder hiddens ones.
Few may have revealed the hidden ones but the lack of consensus in their account means they are dismissed as nothing more than legend or rumor amongst the vampires.

Blood-Strengths: Invisibility, The Unknown fear?, Control , Strength,  Sight, Intelligence 

Associated animal: Octopus, Stingray , Jellyfish,

Blood Weakness: When someone knows what their edge goal is , their power is diminished against the one who knows it..

Power Base : Large Mortal Organizations, Secrets, Proxy soldiers
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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2014, 01:58:42 AM »
Alrighty. Nigama invited me here to post some ideas. I skimmed through a few here. I will say they are reminiscent of Bloodlines, but only because those clans inspired these new ones. I am obviously open for changes considering I wrote this over a year ago (and haven't developed the ideas since).

[All ancestors are derived from real folklore from different civilizations and belief systems. The creation myth of the vampires is fiction and created by yours truly.]

There are several different vampire races, each with their own origin.

There are vampires who originate from Lilith and Samael. Lilith rejected her role as Adam’s wife, left the Garden of Eden and later had a relationship with archangel Samael. Lilith became a succubus. Her children were called Lilum, who are night spirits that attack humans.

When Eve ate the forbidden fruit, all who were once immortal lost that privilege. All of a sudden, Lilith’s children were no longer immortal. Neither was she or her lover.

Just because Lilith’s children lost their powers and immortality did not change their behavior. The now-human spirits lusted through women and men whether it was consensual or not. One of Lilith’s children impregnated a human woman involuntarily. However, the woman gave birth to the child, worrying whether her child would be evil as well. However, the blood line descended and descended thousands of years. The direct bloodline descendant of Lilith walks around in our modern day.

The Lilum, however, were facing a retaliation against the abuse and terror imposed on countless victims. Lilith worried about her children. The thought of any of their deaths filled her with immense paranoia. She contact the Devil, Gadriel, for aid.

A deal with the devil was made. The union of a fallen angel and a blood-sucking demon was the most incredulous abomination in existence; therefore, the devil gave her children the succubus identity along with Samael’s godlike powers as an angel. These powers include mind manipulation, seduction, super speed and super strength. Also, rapid healing and recovery from damage. A vampire from Lilith’s bloodline can withstand 50 bullets.

Early Lilums who were born as night spirits were given birth from Lilith’s loins. Lilums in later generations were given the dark gift through siring and blood transfer. This could also manipulate the strength of the newer vampires, considering they did not grow in Lilith’s womb.

Weaknesses include sunlight, removal or destruction of the brain or heart. Most legendary weaknesses do not work. Crucifixes do not destroy or intimidate Lilums, but only distract or offend the vampires if the crucifix is present.

Lilith’s powers are uncertain, but legend has it that she was able to paralyze her prey, including the immortal. In some cases, she practiced in diablerie. As a vampire, they can see images of the victim’s life as the blood gushes from the veins. In doing this, not only do you gain knowledge of the person, but some other information you may not have known before that could be useful. Or, if the blood were to be immortal, one’s power would increase significantly. Depending on how old the immortal is would determine how much power would be transferred. There is no life without blood. Humans can’t live without it and neither can vampires. Immortal diablerie is forbidden in all vampire law. It is the biggest sin to commit in the modern world of vampires.

The practice of diablerie was raising attention to human governments as more and more people went missing. Vampires participated in politics, carrying the flag in secret to keep vampire awareness to a minimum. This was when vampire ancients, created from Lilith’s children themselves, found a way to hold her captive. This would not only keep the humans safe,but to keep her safe. She is supposed to be in the hands of some of the strongest, oldest vampires to ever exist, but these are all word of mouth. These tales are just as believable as the words in the human Bible, but can the modern-day vampire believe in the vampire folklore if they did not believe the human folklore?

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There are vampires who originate from Cain. From the biblical story, he is the grandson of Adam and Eve. In actuality, according to vampire lore, Cain and Abel were the children of Adam of Eve. However, Cain’s true father, Gadriel showed Eve the pleasures of the flesh.

The Bible says Eve was tempted by the devil by tasting “forbidden fruit”. Think of this as a cleaned up analogy and nothing more. Eve tasted Gadriel’s forbidden fruit and God removed immortality.

Eve hid this affair from Adam and Adam believed Cain was his. Cain was tempted by his father and killed his brother Abel. Cain was banished and cursed by God, punishing him with the hunger for the blood of the living.

These vampires are called Cainites. Cainites are not created inside a womb, but from siring and blood transfer. Again, this can affect newer vampires’ abilities being sired farther and farther from the stronger bloodline. This bloodline is more likely to be weaker than others as far as strength and rapid healing.

Gadriel taught men of warfare, women of beauty and even witchcraft. Cainites obtain the same powers as the Lilum; however, these vampires practice witchcraft. They are able to cast spells far more powerfully than a human witch. This includes setting an object on fire with one’s mind, moving objects with a sleight of a hand or mind reading.

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Gadriel has his own breed of vampires, too. He, himself, breeded with humans. This race of vampire began in the womb but the bloodline continues through siring and blood transfer. These vampires are called the Nefandus, which is Latin for “not to be spoken of”. Gadriel was supposedly the name of the devil before Satan. Churches decided to change the name; therefore, it would not be spoken of. Consider Satan his nickname.

This race holds the same powers as the Lilum as well.

In this case, these vampires rely heavily on seduction. Some of these vampires continue the bloodline within the womb, as it is tradition in certain elder covens. While Lilith was a seductress herself, she did not seduce men for pleasure, but for his blood and flesh. Her motive was hunger, which Gadriel’s was lust. Just like the regular struggle of controlling a vampire’s bloodlust, their sexual lust is just as difficult to withhold.

The  vampires of the Nefandus are not only lustful but aren’t respectful toward authority. While this race of vampire is incredibly knowledgeable thanks to Gadriel’s lust for education, this race receives incredible incite when sired.

It is not a schizophrenic insight, but more like gaining Gadriel’s wisdom and inheriting his sponge-like brain. Besides the lust-craving, they also spend a great deal of time researching, reading and writing. Some of the Nefandus publish their works, but only under a pen name to protect the realm and themselves. Some of these publications have been incredibly useful to the human world and had progressed and transcended into a new world adaptable for the Nefandus.

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The fourth race is the Ibrida. Ibrida means “hybrid”. The Mesopotamians believed in a creature named Lamashtu. She was a combination of a lion’s head, the body of a donkey and the feet of a bird. Her hideous complexion terrorized the people, but her most horrific act was stealing newborns from their mothers, sucking the blood and eating the flesh of the babies and then she would devour the mother.

Gallu, another infamous demon of this era, was an offspring of hell. One of the Gallu demons and Lamashtu decided to come together and create a blood bond. This bond would create a new supernatural life with magic. These vampires take qualities from both demons: Lamashtu in eating flesh and both demons in disfigurement. They did not want to create a being as disgusting as themselves, however, but one who can pass as a human.

There created the Ibrida. This vampire is still human-like, but sometimes disfigurement or rotting may occur. These vampires have a special quality all of their own:  they cannot survive solely on human blood. They must consume human flesh. These vampires are experts at storing meat to slowly consume overtime. These vampires also travel a significant amount so they cannot be found or tracked by local human law enforcement when more and more people turn up missing.

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The last and fifth vampire race is the Nekros. Necromancy is a type of magic which brings the dead back to life, moreso summoning a spirit. Legends of necromancy practice dates back to Ancient Greece.

Human witches and shamans practiced in necromancy to communicate with the dead, but Western civilization were able to raise the dead. The human Bible discusses necromancy, saying it is a sin to bring someone back to life using necromancy, or if someone were brought back using necromancy.

The witches and warlocks of the vampires are Cainites. Necromancy was common in their covens, but to make a complete other being was a new idea. Using vampire blood as the sacrifice, some humans were either chosen shortly after their death or were killed by the coven to revive. The ceremony curses the human soul to remain in purgatory. The soul cannot pass on and would remain on Earth, but with the need to feed on God’s children. The sire of the Nekros being would the one who sacrificed their blood for the ceremony.

These vampires’ natural form would be invisible or in an orb-like, apparition form. It takes their own power to become visible to humans and other vampires. The Cainites had no idea of the power they had created and wondered if their new race could be controlled. Nekros are the breed of vampires you want on your side, or they will destroy you. Their ability to naturally be invisible to the naked eye is their greatest advantage and they are incredibly difficult to destroy, being that they are only a ghost-like demon and don’t have a natural physical form. Their only known method of destruction is the sun.

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I hope these ideas aren't too shitty. I actually dug the ideas with vampires associating with aliens. That's not something I've seen before. The whole mutation thing is reminiscent of Underworld, which I dig. It makes it less mythical and more biological.

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Re: The Origin Project (Free Vampire IP)
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2014, 02:48:08 AM »
I spent last night reading this and then had to work all of today. Gotta work all of tomorrow, too, so figured I might as well post on this when I got home tonight.

So, before I start giving any praise/criticism I just wanna get two things out of the way so that my biases are known.  First, I'm fucking tired of Christianity.  Also, I don't swear often on these forums, but I really think this occasion deserves the extra emphasis to get across my emotion on the subject.  I grew up in a Christian society, I haven't believed in it ever, and it wears on me every time a new book or show or game uses Christianity as if it's the sole, right form of belief, or that it has any Truth to it at all.  However, I recognize that just because *I'm* tired of it, others are not and it can still form the basis of a fun game to play...  still... the world is such a rich place, with many cultures and religious traditions and many different monsters.  Let's use them instead of beating the Judeo-Christian donkey more.  Okay... /rant.

But that leads to my next point... IMO, White Wolf did a really great job with the Cain mythos and Christianity as a backdrop in general.  It really feels a bit too close to home to be talking about "Cainites" and vampires descended from Cain to me. If anything, in our new game, that should be a joke that elders tell new vampires who ask too many questions the elders don't know the answers to.

Okay, so now you know I've got a grudge against Christianity and not your ideas!  We can proceed.

To what I liked...  I really liked what you did with the idea of Lillith. She is used in the WoD but as a kind of shady, demonic character that teaches Cain many of his powers and abilities. However, I think some of the back story starts to get convoluted and when the devil himself enters the question, things start to get absurd. IMO, it's really hard to have God or the Devil, such larger than life beings, as directly part of the story.  Keep it as real to human life and existence as you can.  There's a LOT to work with if you work backwards from a Female Vampire (mainly) Lineage.  There are Greek examples of female cults (Artemis/Diana), there's the Gorgons and Echidna in Greek myth, and you mentioned Lamashtu (essentially Lillith in a Mesopotamian context).  I think there's SO MUCH there to work with outside of a Judeo-Christian context and it's really undeveloped as a vehicle for an RPG.  I think it's a great idea for a vampire origin.  I'd just lose the "shacking up with Samael" bit, too... it doesn't add anything to the Lillith story and makes things more complicated than they need to be (having the Devil fuse them together and giving them awesomesauce powers for... um... reasons).  The hybrid story sounds a LOT like the Lillith and Samael story 'cept with the names changed to Lamashtu and Gallu.

I've already said that I feel vamps based on Cain is treading on a path already well traveled by White Wolf.  The only thing worth adding/correcting is that Cain was the first born child of Adam and Eve, not their grandson, at least according to Genesis.

Next up is vampires descended directly from the Devil...  hmm.  You called them the Nefandus, I'm guessing from the Mage Nefandii or from the latin "nefando" meaning base or vile.  My first is with involving such a powerful figure as The Devil as the creator.  There were a group of angels that fell in love with humanity, before Satan rebelled.  They were supposed to have watched over humanity but some fell in love and had children with the mortals. Most were killed off by god, but there is the implication that some of the angels committing the sin and possibly their children managed to hide. These beings were known as the Nephilim.  Perhaps the way they managed to keep their immortality was to drink the blood of humans and that's how they stayed hidden from the eyes of god for so long?  Instead of being descended specifically from The Devil (gah, it's like saying a line of vampires is directly descended from God), they could be descended from angels/fallen angels in general (possibly including the Accuser (satan)).

Your last idea I think is the most original and I like it the most. The idea of the Nekros recalls to me the Arch-Lich, that, despite it's name, is actually more powerful than a normal lich but lacks the body of one.  It's an interesting mix between a ghost/spirit and a vampire, especially in how they do not always have bodies but can form them temporarily with effort.

So, again, I'm biased against Christianity, but what I'd really like to see fleshed out more is the Lamashtu Lineage and the Nekros Lineage.  There was some really interesting stuff I noticed in the Lamashtu legend on Pazuzu.  Basically people would wear amulets of Pazuzu to ward off Lamashtu because myth/legends say that Pazuzu has beaten Lamashtu before (and the implication is that he could again).  The best part is... Pazuzu himself is an evil god!  Using an evil god to protect yourself from another evil god just seems RIPE for a vampire game. :)

You have some awesome ideas for sure.  At the end of the day this whole "project" is kindof open source, so you can pick and choose to explore whatever tickles your fancy.  No one is going to tell you what's right or wrong.  The whole point of the multiple origin stories is the possibility that none and all are true at the same time.  Can't wait to see how these ideas continue to develop.

Nigama
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