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Title: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: IanW on August 07, 2018, 05:30:00 AM
Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition is now available!

At the moment, you can get it at worldofdarkness.com (https://www.worldofdarkness.com/).

Damsel gets brief mention. The Voerman sisters are much more prominent, and even have their own dedicated Loresheet (a mechanic that allows your PC to become connected to some element of the VTM setting). The Asylum now has two main locations: the original in Santa Monica run by Therese, and another in Hollywood run by Jeanette. Aside from the main locations, there are Asylum franchises popping up all across America.

Rulebooks for the Camarilla and Anarchs are following soon.

Other news from Gen Con:

Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Gurkhal on August 08, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
Hurray for Bloodlines references in V5!
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Gurkhal on August 09, 2018, 01:25:19 PM
Is it just me, or is the new fluff much more useful in actual games as opposed to fluff cool to read about, but that has very limited use in actual games?

I mean that since total Elder control don't seem to be a thing anymore the players' actions may have some meanings and there's a point in doing stuff since it won't all just be manipulated for the benefit of some Elder.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Valamyr on August 25, 2018, 01:22:56 PM
Not a huge fan. I read it for fun. Its sort of a hybrid between VtM and VtR with a lot more room open for the storyteller to make his own story and less preset lore, which is ok.

Mechanics arent quite good enough, too many things are left unwritten for example the equipment section is woefully lacking. The hybrid of BP and Generation is nice. But really the big new thing is the hunger system and I think its weird. Blood points made more sense than constantly rolling to see if hunger increments, and its silly that everyone essentially just have 5 hunger levels max, its a really small bloodpool that makes for hungry vampires all the time. Which may be thematic but I know it would get annoying in real play and tries to fix a problem that didnt quite exist. Changes to humanity are generally in the wrong direction again, would be fine for a short game or a high humanity game, but overly punishing for long campaigns, characters would not be likely to stabilize at a reasonable humanity anymore but rather likely to eventually plummet all the way down. Disciplines are generally weaker than ever to boot with a lot of effects bumped up one level.

V20 remains the best edition IMO.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: deicide on January 07, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
Dude, that shit is wack (c)
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: The Shadow Man on January 08, 2019, 06:26:39 PM
I've seen ads on Facebook for LA by Night but have no idea what it is.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: deicide on January 09, 2019, 12:38:23 AM
I have no idea either, if they're trolling or trying to put an end to the setting. I don't even know from where to begin.

With the new Humanity system, anything below 6 is unplayable due to penalties (including social). On the other hand, high Humanity vamps are now able to get a kick from, yeah, you've guessed what, like a mortals. And less damage from the sunlight.
Ravnos were (probably) nuked. Tremere chantry in Vienna was nuked as well. Assamites and Lasombra joined the Camarilla, Followers of Set joined the Anarchs. Guess they lost the philosophy that defined them.
My next bet, Tzimisce would be toned down into something that will put Disney villains into shame. To sum it up, the Sabbat makes no sense from now on.

And that's only a beginning...
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: IanW on March 14, 2019, 03:56:37 PM
LA by Night is Geek & Sundry's streamed Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition show. It's Critical Role, but for VTM instead of D&D.

Season 2 just wrapped, and there'll be a few epilogue episodes, and then it'll join Season 1 on YouTube.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: The Shadow Man on March 14, 2019, 07:17:25 PM
LA by Night is Geek & Sundry's streamed Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition show. It's Critical Role, but for VTM instead of D&D.

Season 2 just wrapped, and there'll be a few epilogue episodes, and then it'll join Season 1 on YouTube.

So its a recording of them playing or like LARP or a dramatisation?
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Radical21 on March 15, 2019, 03:41:10 PM
LA by Night is Geek & Sundry's streamed Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition show. It's Critical Role, but for VTM instead of D&D.

Season 2 just wrapped, and there'll be a few epilogue episodes, and then it'll join Season 1 on YouTube.

So its a recording of them playing or like LARP or a dramatisation?

its kind of Vampire Critical role ...  a live (or recorded)  table top session with guest actors and cosplay.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: The Shadow Man on March 15, 2019, 04:40:30 PM
its kind of Vampire Critical role ...  a live (or recorded)  table top session with guest actors and cosplay.

Right I gotta be honest I'm not familiar with Critical Play but I think I get what you mean.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: El_Gostro on April 10, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
On the other hand, high Humanity vamps are now able to get a kick from, yeah, you've guessed what, like a mortals.

Does that means they booted that OWOD thing of the sexed up glamour of some vampires being bait and an empty facade as their only physical pleasure was derived from feeding?
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: deicide on April 10, 2019, 09:59:19 PM
No fooling.

Quote from: V5 Core Book
Humanity 8

You still feel pain for the hurts you and your kind inflict. Your human guise remains passable; the memories remain fresh, or new instincts for community spring up like green shoots from your long-dead soul.

Humanity 8 vampires can appear human in other regards:
 - You can roll two dice for the Rouse Check to use Blush of Life and take the highest result.
 - Blush of Life allows you to have sexual intercourse and perhaps even enjoy it.
 - Blush of Life allows you to digest and taste wine.
 - You can rise from day-sleep up to an hour before
sunset if you wish.

Humanity 7
...
 - You cannot have sexual intercourse per se, but you can fake it by winning a Dexterity + Charisma test if you wish (Difficulty equals your partner’s Composure or Wits).
...

Humanity 10

Humans with this score are rare, and the vampires who have achieved it even more so. At this level, mortals and Kindred alike lead a saintly, veritably ascetic life, tightly controlled by ethics and principles supporting this fragile condition. The merest selfish deed or thought is enough to topple this state of grace.

Humanity 10 vampires can appear human in otherregards:
 - Blush of Life is not necessary, because you appear as a pale mortal in good health.
 - You heal Superficial damage as a mortal, in addition to vampiric mending.
 - You can taste, eat, and digest food as if human.
 - You can stay awake during the day as if human, though you do not lose your normal need for sleep.
 - The rate of sunlight damage you take is halved.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: El_Gostro on April 10, 2019, 10:09:51 PM
Uh doesn't that kill the whole personal horror and damnation exploring thing?

As it is described, a humanity 10 vampire is a twilight Buffy lawful good super powered paladin published by Archie comics!
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: deicide on April 10, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
Exactly, this is one, only one of the reasons I consider V5 wack. And I haven't quoted the low humanity section yet...
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: El_Gostro on April 10, 2019, 11:33:26 PM
Does it make the vampire speak with a Transylvanian accent and/or vulnerable to counting challenges?


Wait a minute...

A twilight Buffy lawful good super powered paladin published by Archie comics and a counting impaired Transylvanian rave undead creature is an awesome story waiting to be told.

To the pen-Mobile!!!!
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Gringo Starr on April 11, 2019, 12:41:16 AM
Thanks Deicide, you answered one of my questions. Before I wasn't certain, but from now V5 won't be on my shopping list, that's for sure. I'll stick to V20. VtM: Twilight is the last thing I need.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Radical21 on April 11, 2019, 11:20:40 PM
You guys are so petty, if you don't like something you can leave it out.

Besides , do you even know how near impossible it is for a vampire to remain above 7 humanity?
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: deicide on April 12, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
This depends from a Storyteller in question.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 12, 2019, 11:30:25 AM
What I don't like about it is the way your supernatural curse is trumped by how "nice" or "moral" you are; nevermind that your body is clinically dead and your digestive system has atrophied, if you're nice enough you can digest food. You're dead so the instinct to reproduce is moot? Nah, being nice allows you to enjoy sex with mortals. And so on. It made sense that your sense of morality and restraint made it easier for you to rein in your feral impulses, but it didn't affect the fact that you were, for all intents and purposes, dead.
What I liked about Vampire in the previous editions was the whole existential horror aspect (with all it involved - inability to eat, inability to be intimate the way you're used to); sure some vampires simply discarded all that and embraced their new condition but personally I had a lot of fun roleplaying those that had trouble letting go, and yes they usually had a high humanity score. That's the thing however, despite their best intentions, the very real Beast within denied them any possibility of continuing life as they had before, and attempts to do so usually ended badly.
You might ask why I'm attempting to apply logic to a fictional setting, where anything is possible, well...it had a certain internal logic, and that made it seem more plausible and immersive to me.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Radical21 on April 12, 2019, 01:12:06 PM
What I don't like about it is the way your supernatural curse is trumped by how "nice" or "moral" you are; nevermind that your body is clinically dead and your digestive system has atrophied, if you're nice enough you can digest food. You're dead so the instinct to reproduce is moot? Nah, being nice allows you to enjoy sex with mortals. And so on. It made sense that your sense of morality and restraint made it easier for you to rein in your feral impulses, but it didn't affect the fact that you were, for all intents and purposes, dead.
What I liked about Vampire in the previous editions was the whole existential horror aspect (with all it involved - inability to eat, inability to be intimate the way you're used to); sure some vampires simply discarded all that and embraced their new condition but personally I had a lot of fun roleplaying those that had trouble letting go, and yes they usually had a high humanity score. That's the thing however, despite their best intentions, the very real Beast within denied them any possibility of continuing life as they had before, and attempts to do so usually ended badly.
You might ask why I'm attempting to apply logic to a fictional setting, where anything is possible, well...it had a certain internal logic, and that made it seem more plausible and immersive to me.

You attempt flawed logic here , being "nice" as you say, its not easy and there are constantly things working against you, each use of the power takes blood , threatens to draw out the beast. Since situations constantly challenges Vampires, be they Cainite or Kindred, to abandon the moral path in favour of survival  , the horrors of their existence are never left far behind. 
After all, the origin of hatred is trying to protect something one wishes to keep.

 Btw previous editions had the exact same thing about Humanity : you could take a merit that let you eat food, blush of life etc as well as high humanity perks.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: El_Gostro on April 12, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
its been a long while since last my appendixes viced a sheet from a WOD book.
But werent those perks sort of illusory measures to give the appereance of life when neccesary as they costed bloodpoints?


Ultimately it is up to the those who weave and participate in the story but it feels like an unneccesary addendum to impose certain preferences or winks that are largely irrelevant to the great scheme of things....


Then again...
The twilight Buffy lawful good super powered paladin in the style of late 90's Archie comics will be the best epic chronicle since the great european stop sign etymological war of  the 20th century!!!!!
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 12, 2019, 03:24:17 PM

You attempt flawed logic here , being "nice" as you say, its not easy and there are constantly things working against you, each use of the power takes blood , threatens to draw out the beast. Since situations constantly challenges Vampires, be they Cainite or Kindred, to abandon the moral path in favour of survival  , the horrors of their existence are never left far behind. 
After all, the origin of hatred is trying to protect something one wishes to keep.

 Btw previous editions had the exact same thing about Humanity : you could take a merit that let you eat food, blush of life etc as well as high humanity perks.

I don't think I am attempting flawed logic, because it's not about how easy or difficult it is to maintain high Humanity, it's the whole idea that your curse keeps track of your nice points and makes you appear and feel more or less like a corpse according to it. Just because one vampire is more moral and less bloodthirsty than another shouldn't change the fact that they're both dead and mortal pleasures are forever denied to them.

its been a long while since last my appendixes viced a sheet from a WOD book.
But werent those perks sort of illusory measures to give the appereance of life when neccesary as they costed bloodpoints?


Ultimately it is up to the those who weave and participate in the story but it feels like an unneccesary addendum to impose certain preferences or winks that are largely irrelevant to the great scheme of things....



Exactly. You could fake the appearance of humanity with certain perks, such as Eat Food, which allowed you to keep food down for a longer period of time than usual - but you'd still have to throw it up later, because you were, y'know, dead, and couldn't digest it. Or you could spend blood to make yourself appear warm and alive if you want to seduce a mortal, and even fake sex, but it was only a sham, and you certainly didn't get anything out of it.

In my opinion, they made this change at least partly in order to please certain fans who simply couldn't resist introducing sex into their Vampire RP. Even before, the whole "they are dead, sex means nothing to them" rule was being ignored quite rampantly, I have seen it in games I took part in, so perhaps they simply bowed to the inevitable. Hell, even Bloodlines had instances where it conveniently "forgot" this rule.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: El_Gostro on April 12, 2019, 03:50:53 PM
Hell, even Bloodlines had instances where it conveniently "forgot" this rule.

I like to think,specially with the fade to black and the awkward sex sounds that it was the two undeadies being silly and trying to uncomfortably pretend and get the act going though it was clearly not working :pixorstfu:
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Radical21 on April 12, 2019, 06:30:49 PM

Just because one vampire is more moral and less bloodthirsty than another shouldn't change the fact that they're both dead and mortal pleasures are forever denied to them.

I think you've missed the entire point of humanity then.  Also Vampires could always enjoy sex, also in third edition, it was just that it was less enjoyable than the elixir and thus became something they are usually indifferent to.
Best way I can explain this is that it is akin to Sensory Adaptation :  Once a nerve cell feels a greater stimulation it adapts , becoming less sensitive to lesser stimulation, kind of like how junkies don't really care about other  sources of pleasure aside from their drug, because nothing compares.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 12, 2019, 07:03:30 PM

Just because one vampire is more moral and less bloodthirsty than another shouldn't change the fact that they're both dead and mortal pleasures are forever denied to them.

I think you've missed the entire point of humanity then.  Also Vampires could always enjoy sex, also in third edition, it was just that it was less enjoyable than the elixir and thus became something they are usually indifferent to.
Best way I can explain this is that it is akin to Sensory Adaptation :  Once a nerve cell feels a greater stimulation it adapts , becoming less sensitive to lesser stimulation, kind of like how junkies don't really care about other  sources of pleasure aside from their drug, because nothing compares.

We must have played according to different interpretations of the lore then, because this was never the case in my games. Vampires were dead, corpses; to put it bluntly, male vampires could only get erections by spending blood points and it was only for show. Some Storytellers even went as far as to describe the experience of kissing a vampire (who hasn't used any supernatural tricks to deceive a mortal) like that of kissing a corpse: cold, dry and/or bloody. Not a pleasant experience by any means.

As for humanity, it was used as a measure of how well the vampire in question could resist the Beast and remember such human concepts as compassion, affection, altruism, it didn't directly affect their undead biology.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Barabbah on April 12, 2019, 07:32:38 PM
I thought you can eat food and drink without your fangs, simply it didn't had any effects on the vampirism aspects.... I should really find someone to do a pen n' paper game
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Radical21 on April 12, 2019, 10:48:55 PM

We must have played according to different interpretations of the lore then, because this was never the case in my games. Vampires were dead, corpses; to put it bluntly, male vampires could only get erections by spending blood points and it was only for show. Some Storytellers even went as far as to describe the experience of kissing a vampire (who hasn't used any supernatural tricks to deceive a mortal) like that of kissing a corpse: cold, dry and/or bloody. Not a pleasant experience by any means.

As for humanity, it was used as a measure of how well the vampire in question could resist the Beast and remember such human concepts as compassion, affection, altruism, it didn't directly affect their undead biology.

Yeah they need to spend a blood point, I don't see how that contradicts anything, its kind of like how they need to spend a blood point to move their blood to simulate the blush of life, but once they do , the function is the same as when they were alive because blood flows through the tissue. 
The closer the Vampire is to when they were a mortal the easier it is for them to simulate that experience : for example coughing or breathing even though vampires do not really need to breath save than to inhale molecules that bind with receptors at their nose in order to smell.

Humanity basically means that a Vampire is closer to the mortal they once were, they avoid feeding so they are able to "forget" the pleasure of the kiss and their senses are not as dull,  their body instinctively moves the blood as when they were still alive and simulates metabolism because their memory of being human is more vivid.
Of course this only when Humanity is at an excess above the standard 7, which is very unusual.   
 
So yes there is an effect on biology just as much a low humanity causes a Vampire to look more like the dead thing that they are and instill horror in ones who meet them,  that too was in 3rd edition lore.


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As a side note I will also add that many VTM storytellers tend to exaggerate the macabre  beyond what is written in the lore for the sake of creating a horrid experience.
The Vampire in your example could have simply been on humanity 5-3 ,  it doesn't require special tricks, in that state a Vampire's body is indeed much closer to a dead thing : their skin is more pale, they feel colder, their eyes may be more dead, maybe even the smell of decay etc.

But it may as well have been your storyteller trying to emphasis that the experience of kissing that vampire felt really off.


I thought you can eat food and drink without your fangs, simply it didn't had any effects on the vampirism aspects.... I should really find someone to do a pen n' paper game

Ordinarily Vampires do not have functioning metabolism , also part of the curse

יא וְעַתָּה אָרוּר אָתָּה מִן-הָאֲדָמָה אֲשֶׁר פָּצְתָה אֶת-פִּיהָ לָקַחַת אֶת-דְּמֵי אָחִיךָ מִיָּדֶךָ. יב כִּי תַעֲבֹד אֶת-הָאֲדָמָה לֹא-תֹסֵף תֵּת-כֹּחָהּ לָךְ נָע וָנָד תִּהְיֶה בָאָרֶץ.

meaning that no matter how much Caine worked the earth, it would not give him strength (sustenance ) and he would have to travel the earth.

In VTM some Vampires, especially Thin Bloods , can overcome that part of the curse.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: deicide on April 13, 2019, 12:51:43 AM
I like to think,specially with the fade to black and the awkward sex sounds that it was the two undeadies being silly and trying to uncomfortably pretend and get the act going though it was clearly not working :pixorstfu:
Quote from: Jeanette
Oh... How boring...
The VtM rule was followed to the letter.
Title: Re: Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition
Post by: Radical21 on April 13, 2019, 02:43:03 AM
I like to think,specially with the fade to black and the awkward sex sounds that it was the two undeadies being silly and trying to uncomfortably pretend and get the act going though it was clearly not working :pixorstfu:
Quote from: Jeanette
Oh... How boring...
The VtM rule was followed to the letter.

its not a hard rule , its just my own interpretation .  Some people still feel that VTMB was divergent from canon in that regard