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Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« on: November 23, 2010, 09:22:03 PM »
Hey all :) Since this storyline takes place in Canada and I've received several questions about the truth or falsehood of certain things in the great white north, I thought I would post this thread just to clarify a few things that might come up in our storyline. keep in mind our storyteller may choose to modify any or all of these facts about Canada, so I defer to him for ease of story: As it is OUTSIDE of the world of darkness:

From what I've heard from Rad, the area that the city exists in is probably somewhere like Huntsville, Ontario
http://maps.google.ca/maps?client=safari&rls=en&q=Huntsville+Ontario&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

About a 2 hour drive north of Toronto. Again this depends on the ST's thoughts but you can use that as an idea for remoteness.

Now as far as how our world differs from yours, and my fellow canadians please forgive some of the gross oversimplifications of some complex topics:

- Drinking age is 19.
Yep, 19. Same with Gambling. Smoking in some provinces is 18.

- No guns. Ever.
You can obtain a gun license, and hunt, etc, but toting a gun under your clothes, having an unlicensed firearm for ANY reason, or owning a handgun without MASSIVE screening and licensing taking place first is grounds for some SERIOUS jailtime. It's no joke up here. Cops can have them, but just as in the US, their ammunition use is monitored very heavily, and rounds discharged for no reason are grounds for official inquiry, suspension, etc.

- Our cops don't wear red or ride horses:
Usually our cops are indistinguishable from US police officers. They drive crown vics, chargers, or SUV's and will BEAT THE LIVING CRAP out of you if you give them a hard time, just like American cops. The only time they dress like mounties, eh, is when there is an official ceremony of some sort.

- It's not a frigid bitch up here all year round.
I've had people in washington state talk about how cold it gets in canada, and I'm like "Dude, we have the same climate. We live in the same basin. We're like 45 mins north of you." If you have any doubts as to what the climate is like, look at an equivalent northern state and compare.
In Ontario, it gets cold only in the winter months, falling about 10 degrees below freezing and staying there: All in all not a very harsh winter. There are a FEW years where it can get absolutely freezing. Summers are between 78 and 90 degrees, quite warm and pleasant, unless you're in the far north, which doesn't get super warm usually.

- We have an... Interesting relationship with our first nations people.
The first nations (injuns? I dunno what americans call them) are a bit of a thorn in the side of canadian government. We give them lots of free hand-outs and often things on their reservations are bad. They live in many of the smaller towns across canada, living on the fringes of the wilderness. Now naturally not all first nations people are bad at all. Quite the opposite, they're a very strong-willed people in general with strong moral fibre, but the younger generation is trapped between two worlds currently and have become lost. Education for them is often sub-par and they face societal constrictions from two different cultures (that of their people and that of the canadian people) that causes them a lot of pressure. This sometimes leads them to be violent, drink heavily, and they are often very insular and xenophobic. Very few of them ever go to post-secondary. Most of the Canadian Werewolf population comes from these groups, and that is the only reason why I go into such detail in this regard.

- We don't have a president, we have a Prime Minister.
His name is Stephen Harper, and he likes to wear sweater vests.

- Republicans and Democrats
They're called Conservatives and Liberals, Respectively. There is also a third party called the NDP (New democratic party) which believes in freedom and fairness for all workers. Rumor has it that it has its roots in the socialist party early in the century.

- No states.
Provinces.

- The capital city of the province of Ontario is Toronto. The Capital city of the country is also in ontario, and it is called Ottawa. (Hopefully you guys knew at least the name of the capital ;))

- Ontario is approx. 12% French speaking population. Many people are bilingual, I once was when I lived out that way.

- Gangs and the criminal underworld in Ontario are centred around the major cities. Toronto has the largest criminal presence, with small amounts existing in biker gangs and etc as you head out of the major city- Crime is not nearly as high as major cities in the U.S.- I suspect masquerade breaches would be met with much more media attention and inquiry than in, say, LA or Detroit. Canada has had only 2 convicted serial killers in its history to my knowledge- one within the last few years (pickton), and one almost 40 years ago. The "Southland slasher," While common in the US, is almost unheard of in Canada.

For specific inquiries to help make your character as a canadian more believable, feel free to contact me. I am playing an american character living in canada, so ironically, my character will know less about these rules and subtleties than your characters will.

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 07:25:21 AM »
Hey all :) Since this storyline takes place in Canada and I've received several questions about the truth or falsehood of certain things in the great white north, I thought I would post this thread just to clarify a few things that might come up in our storyline. keep in mind our storyteller may choose to modify any or all of these facts about Canada, so I defer to him for ease of story: As it is OUTSIDE of the world of darkness:

From what I've heard from Rad, the area that the city exists in is probably somewhere like Huntsville, Ontario
http://maps.google.ca/maps?client=safari&rls=en&q=Huntsville+Ontario&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

About a 2 hour drive north of Toronto. Again this depends on the ST's thoughts but you can use that as an idea for remoteness.

Now as far as how our world differs from yours, and my fellow canadians please forgive some of the gross oversimplifications of some complex topics:

- Drinking age is 19.
Yep, 19. Same with Gambling. Smoking in some provinces is 18.

- No guns. Ever.
You can obtain a gun license, and hunt, etc, but toting a gun under your clothes, having an unlicensed firearm for ANY reason, or owning a handgun without MASSIVE screening and licensing taking place first is grounds for some SERIOUS jailtime. It's no joke up here. Cops can have them, but just as in the US, their ammunition use is monitored very heavily, and rounds discharged for no reason are grounds for official inquiry, suspension, etc.

- Our cops don't wear red or ride horses:
Usually our cops are indistinguishable from US police officers. They drive crown vics, chargers, or SUV's and will BEAT THE LIVING CRAP out of you if you give them a hard time, just like American cops. The only time they dress like mounties, eh, is when there is an official ceremony of some sort.

- It's not a frigid bitch up here all year round.
I've had people in washington state talk about how cold it gets in canada, and I'm like "Dude, we have the same climate. We live in the same basin. We're like 45 mins north of you." If you have any doubts as to what the climate is like, look at an equivalent northern state and compare.
In Ontario, it gets cold only in the winter months, falling about 10 degrees below freezing and staying there: All in all not a very harsh winter. There are a FEW years where it can get absolutely freezing. Summers are between 78 and 90 degrees, quite warm and pleasant, unless you're in the far north, which doesn't get super warm usually.

- We have an... Interesting relationship with our first nations people.
The first nations (injuns? I dunno what americans call them) are a bit of a thorn in the side of canadian government. We give them lots of free hand-outs and often things on their reservations are bad. They live in many of the smaller towns across canada, living on the fringes of the wilderness. Now naturally not all first nations people are bad at all. Quite the opposite, they're a very strong-willed people in general with strong moral fibre, but the younger generation is trapped between two worlds currently and have become lost. Education for them is often sub-par and they face societal constrictions from two different cultures (that of their people and that of the canadian people) that causes them a lot of pressure. This sometimes leads them to be violent, drink heavily, and they are often very insular and xenophobic. Very few of them ever go to post-secondary. Most of the Canadian Werewolf population comes from these groups, and that is the only reason why I go into such detail in this regard.

- We don't have a president, we have a Prime Minister.
His name is Stephen Harper, and he likes to wear sweater vests.

- Republicans and Democrats
They're called Conservatives and Liberals, Respectively. There is also a third party called the NDP (New democratic party) which believes in freedom and fairness for all workers. Rumor has it that it has its roots in the socialist party early in the century.

- No states.
Provinces.

- The capital city of the province of Ontario is Toronto. The Capital city of the country is also in ontario, and it is called Ottawa. (Hopefully you guys knew at least the name of the capital ;))

- Ontario is approx. 12% French speaking population. Many people are bilingual, I once was when I lived out that way.

- Gangs and the criminal underworld in Ontario are centred around the major cities. Toronto has the largest criminal presence, with small amounts existing in biker gangs and etc as you head out of the major city- Crime is not nearly as high as major cities in the U.S.- I suspect masquerade breaches would be met with much more media attention and inquiry than in, say, LA or Detroit. Canada has had only 2 convicted serial killers in its history to my knowledge- one within the last few years (pickton), and one almost 40 years ago. The "Southland slasher," While common in the US, is almost unheard of in Canada.

For specific inquiries to help make your character as a canadian more believable, feel free to contact me. I am playing an american character living in canada, so ironically, my character will know less about these rules and subtleties than your characters will.

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Thanks that is helpful couldn't really find this on wikipedia. I kind of wonder why 19 and not 18 for drinking age.

I did have to google for the ultimate true or false question though : Do Canadians and French-Candadians really say 'eh'  :razz:

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 08:24:37 AM »
I'm not your friend, buddy!

1:05

dont forget, the age old canadian debate...

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 04:43:14 PM »
Lol that clip had absolutely nothing canadian in it at all :P We don't sound like any of the characters in that, and I have never called anyone "friend" or "guy." I think I've used "buddy" like once :P

As for the age-old "eh-debate": We DO say eh in the times that you guys say "Huh." the french-canadians say some sort of a weird mix of eh and huh, sounds a bit like uh.

All in all we're very similar to you guys, but there's free healthcare, better school systems, and our housing market isn't in the crapper.  :toilet:

O canada!   :drink:

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 12:59:15 AM »
I can't wait to use/mention Loonies and Toonies in-character.  As it is, my character's background involves Tim Horton's and Manitoba Hydro. :P
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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2010, 05:34:01 AM »
Hahahah epic ;)

Maybe you should make your character a big supporter of the NDP too ;) hahah.

And we do love our tim's up here, eh.

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2010, 06:01:53 PM »
The soup was the only thing I liked.  The donuts tasted like plastic and the coffee was just...bleh.
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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 06:19:49 PM »
I HAAATE tims coffee. Good bagels & donuts though. Not made of spun sugar like your krispy kreme BS so they probably tasted like plastic to you ;)

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 09:30:49 PM »
The soup was the only thing I liked.  The donuts tasted like plastic and the coffee was just...bleh.

I worked there for a short-time. The donuts are just not sanitary. LOL The bagels are like bricks. The coffee has cocaine in it or something. Nothing in there is fresh at all, with the exception of the coffee. The soup is good though. That's true. For being re-constituted. We had mice in the back room that were eating all the timbits that the teenage boy bakers dropped while throwing them at each other.  My hands were filthy most of the time, and not by choice, but because there is literally no time to keep cleaning them. I suppose that is any food place though.

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 11:59:59 PM »
Ahhh, as seedy an underbelly as Canada seems to get.

The U.S. World of Darkness has Sabbat. Canada has health violations.   :justabite:   :justabite:
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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2011, 04:34:33 AM »
US might be leading the world in Serial Killers, but Canada is leading the world in rapists; at least in 2009.  :smile:

Oh and you forgot to mention that Canada is one of the few countries with a Pirate Party!   :rock:

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2011, 06:22:56 AM »
Isn't Canada supposed to be a Sabbat hotbed? In the VtM lore? Montreal by Night or something? I'm not even kidding. I read in some supplementary book, Blood Bond or something that made that claim.

We are pretty bloodthirsty people so that makes sense. I think a Tzimisce must be running Tim Hortons....Soon it will be Tzim Hortons....lol  The coffee is actually viniculum and the Bagel B.E.L.T will be the Bagel S.O.U.L

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2011, 06:29:31 AM »
Towards the end of VtM, the Sabbat was kinda/sorta branching out into Canada (as part of their conquest of the North America east coast).  Montreal was a target, but not as significant to them as, say, Chicago, Atlanta or Mexico City.
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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2011, 06:32:36 AM »
Towards the end of VtM, the Sabbat was kinda/sorta branching out into Canada (as part of their conquest of the North America east coast).  Montreal was a target, but not as significant to them as, say, Chicago, Atlanta or Mexico City.

But apart from them branching out, there isn't a large Camarilla presence? I guess since there are fewer people there is not much of anything going on at night up here.

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Re: Some Notes on Canada- OOC for Rad's story
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2011, 06:46:22 AM »
Isn't Canada supposed to be a Sabbat hotbed? In the VtM lore? Montreal by Night or something? I'm not even kidding. I read in some supplementary book, Blood Bond or something that made that claim.

We are pretty bloodthirsty people so that makes sense. I think a Tzimisce must be running Tim Hortons....Soon it will be Tzim Hortons....lol  The coffee is actually viniculum and the Bagel B.E.L.T will be the Bagel S.O.U.L
They should totally put in a restaurant in the WODMMO named "Tzim Horton's" with the entrees you describe!   :cometome:
And, yes, the Sabbat does have a noticable presence in Canada; even more so in Mexico. Mexico City = Sabbat. I was being facetious, since Malavis provided all the statistics about Canada, as marked by the two " :justabite:   :justabite:". Canada is more contested than Mexico is; the bishop of Montreal, Kyle Strathcona, may be harboring seditious thoughts, and it's a hotbed for Infernalist Sabbat, which is just another chore that stretches the Sabbat thin.
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