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Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
« on: May 03, 2010, 05:47:00 pm »
                A bunch of these stupid  "histories" don't even work. I tested the slut/perve and batshit crazy histories and you only get the god damn penalties for the history, not the bonuses. WTf is the deal? I have them enabled in the cfg file. The ones that give you skill points/adjust costs and things like that work, but the other "gameplay related" ones all seem broken. What is the deal?                        

 

                                                  

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Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 06:11:00 pm »
                Well, you can add "quickling" to the list, too.
 
 It seems that all the histories that:
 Increase effectiveness of an ability/disc by a %
 Increase/decrease duration of disc by a %
 Increase blood sucking ability
 
 Do abslutely freaking nothing, and you are only screwed over by whatever disadvanatages you got.
 
 Quickling worked last time I checked it(with plus patch, assuming that's what fixed it).                        

 

                                                  

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Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 06:11:00 pm »
               
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A bunch of these stupid  "histories" don't even work. I tested the slut/perve and batshit crazy histories and you only get the god damn penalties for the history, not the bonuses. WTf is the deal? I have them enabled in the cfg file. The ones that give you skill points/adjust costs and things like that work, but the other "gameplay related" ones all seem broken. What is the deal?

 
 Most of them are unfortunately direction for the auto-level feature(though don't quote me on that). As in, they list priorities for what you want to focus on between three categories. Others, like "Completely Batshit" ups the effect of Dementation, and makes the exp requirement for Obfuscate a bit higher, or "Slut(Toreador Female)", lets you get more blood from male NPC's.
 
 I do know that just activating the histories doesn't work, as the Unofficial patches should fix this. Not only activating them, but making them work.                        

 

                                                  

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Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 06:14:00 pm »
               
MaxusCorvin posted:
CrazyZarlock posted:
A bunch of these stupid  "histories" don't even work. I tested the slut/perve and batshit crazy histories and you only get the god damn penalties for the history, not the bonuses. WTf is the deal? I have them enabled in the cfg file. The ones that give you skill points/adjust costs and things like that work, but the other "gameplay related" ones all seem broken. What is the deal?

 
 Most of them are unfortunately direction for the auto-level feature(though don't quote me on that). As in, they list priorities for what you want to focus on between three categories. Others, like "Completely Batshit" ups the effect of Dementation, and makes the exp requirement for Obfuscate a bit higher, or "Slut(Toreador Female)", lets you get more blood from male NPC's.
 
 I do know that just activating the histories doesn't work, as the Unofficial patches should fix this. Not only activating them, but making them work.

 
 i don't have a clue what you just said. I have the final unofficial patch, think it's 6.9. I have them enabled in the cfg file.
                       

 

                                                  

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Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 06:21:00 pm »
               
CrazyZarlock posted:
MaxusCorvin posted:
CrazyZarlock posted:
A bunch of these stupid  "histories" don't even work. I tested the slut/perve and batshit crazy histories and you only get the god damn penalties for the history, not the bonuses. WTf is the deal? I have them enabled in the cfg file. The ones that give you skill points/adjust costs and things like that work, but the other "gameplay related" ones all seem broken. What is the deal?

 
 Most of them are unfortunately direction for the auto-level feature(though don't quote me on that). As in, they list priorities for what you want to focus on between three categories. Others, like "Completely Batshit" ups the effect of Dementation, and makes the exp requirement for Obfuscate a bit higher, or "Slut(Toreador Female)", lets you get more blood from male NPC's.
 
 I do know that just activating the histories doesn't work, as the Unofficial patches should fix this. Not only activating them, but making them work.

 
 i don't have a clue what you just said. I have the final unofficial patch, think it's 6.9. I have them enabled in the cfg file.
 

 
 Yeah, it basically is that they don't have much impact on the game, side from small, bonuses or penalties. Some have more of an impact, others little. They might've had more of an impact, had Troika not had so little time to work on this particular thing(as now they only[\i] affect stats - where they could've had an impact on the story itself, not just how you killed someone, etc)                        

 

                                                  

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Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 06:29:00 pm »
               
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 Yeah, it basically is that they don't have much impact on the game, side from small, bonuses or penalties. Some have more of an impact, others little. They might've had more of an impact, had Troika not had so little time to work on this particular thing(as now they only[\i] affect stats - where they could've had an impact on the story itself, not just how you killed someone, etc)

 
 Huh? From my search on the internet, these "histories" have been changed/modded over time, I can only assume by the unofficial patches. See this history list: http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/914819/35291
 
 Several them are completely different from what the current description of these histories are. I hate to say it, but do you actually know aht you are talking abotu regarding this stuff or are you just guessing?
 
 
 
                       

 

                                                  

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Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 08:42:00 pm »
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  •                 Actually the histories didn't work before the unofficial patch for the most part now they do, unless you discovered a bug.
     
     However from the sounds of things, you just don't seem to understand how they work. As an example you mention Batshit, how can you possibly tell if it isn't working, it increases the damage of Dementation? It clearly does work, I just tested it. How are you measuring the damage increase, it's easy to see the penalty to Obfuscate? What are the numbers for damage before and after?
     
     Secondly as MaxusCorvin correctly pointed out, several of the other histories you list just SHIFT focus of Abilities. In other words if the Malk normally gets more points to START in Mental, one history changes it so you get more points in Social or whatever, depends on the History.
     
     So this means you could have a older version of Unofficial patch (currently at 6.9) or you might not have installed it correctly. Did you choose Basic instead of Plus during Install or do you have a Mod that could be effecting them?                        

     

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2010, 08:56:00 pm »
                    I have basic installed. The way I could tell dementia wasn't working correctly with BS crazy was I timed it... it should be very easy to detect a full 100% difference in times. there was no difference in my malkavians.
     
     Do you need the other version of the install for the histories to work correctly?? I would think not, but I'm not sure. If you answer... also be sure.
     
     I tested the animal mistress one, and that seems to work TOO well. I tested the raven duration and without the beastmistress the raven averaged 7-12 seconds of duration, WITH beastmistress, it averaged 12-18 seconds. Problem with that is that beastmistress is only supposed to give you a 25% increase in duration, when clearly this duration is closer to a 150% bonus.
     
                           

     

                                                      

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2010, 10:01:00 pm »
                    Ys, well, i just test malk with the plus patch insyead of basic. Still no duration improvement. Waste of my time man.                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #9 on: May 03, 2010, 10:43:00 pm »
                    Chalk up another person who doesn't know wtf they are talking about but want to post to hear themselves anyway. Purge isn't even a god damn dementia skill, nor does dementia even have a simialr skill you could be conusing it with. And I don't kno WTf you mean by :what the starting time" is for hysteria. That doesn't make any sense. You'd have to be a moron to not understand how to test if a 1005 increase in duration time is or isn't working. Just goes to show how much thought goes into your posts and how much rigor is in your "testing". Funny, also, to "complain" about my "complaining".                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 11:05:00 pm »
                    Yep, just go on, insulting everybody who tries to help with your problems, and your further postings will probably be compltely ignored.....                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #11 on: May 03, 2010, 11:32:00 pm »
                   
    Malkav_666814 posted:
    Yep, just go on, insulting everybody who tries to help with your problems, and your further postings will probably be compltely ignored.....

     
     Yes, that's like a plumber trying to help a doctor with an apendectomy. Umm, I'll pass. Not all "help" is helpful. The simple fact is, if you don't know what you are talking about, stop talking about it.
                           

     

                                                      

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #12 on: May 03, 2010, 10:11:00 pm »
                    What Discipline are you using to test with Purge because Hysteria does no damage, what was the initial time, you need to include this information, otherwise how can we test them?
     
     I didn't look for this release, the Histories didn't work at release as I mentioned. There are a lot of people that bitch and complain about the Basic only having minor fixes like text errors and some BUP releases the Histories were just turned off. There could be a bug, but you aren't providing enough information to check, so you come off more as a complainer even though you might have found a legit bug.
     
     When I checked Hysteria and Purge, they are lasting longer but I am using Plus.
     
     Look if you are going to go through and test all the Histories then submit your opinions on them, but is that the same thing as "A bunch of these stupid "histories" don't even work."?
     
     I really don't understand are you complaining about the Histories, Troika chose to use but didn't implement or are you trying to help find bugs becasue for the most part Basic has no changes to the original game?
                           

     

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 12:09:00 am »
                    If you consider yourself the knowledgable one, why do you come here and bitch?
     Be nice, provide us at least some basic information, and only then we can find out if something is wrong or not. Also note that you're currently alienating the entire forum, when only a couple of people responded to you in this, and none of them is the author of the mod.
     
     And by the way, the damage in VTMB is calculated via a dice roll. Giving us some values you may have gotten doesn't help much, because they can be anywhere on the scale. Cry all you want, but that's how most RPGs work, and not getting the exact values you expected does not mean you should be angry. Actually, be angry all you want, that's your problem. Just don't be rude, because that makes other people angry.                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: WTF is up with these "histories"
    « Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 12:59:00 am »
                   
    MadeChina posted:
    If you consider yourself the knowledgable one, why do you come here and bitch?

     
     Uhh, if I knew what the problem was, I sure wouldn't have posted here asking about it. I wouldn't have posted at all, actually, if I hadn't read some of the old path notes, where a history was "removed" for being "too powerful". This lead to me questioning why someone would waste time removing stuff when other related stuff isn't working at all.
     
     
    MadeChina posted:

     Be nice, provide us at least some basic information, and only then we can find out if something is wrong or not. Also note that you're currently alienating the entire forum, when only a couple of people responded to you in this, and none of them is the author of the mod.

     
     I'd say I've gotten quite a few responses relative to how fast other things move in these forums. None of them very useful, including yours.
     
     And what basic information? I've tried with basic and plus patches 6.9, and neither of them give the right bonuses for many of the histories. I havent seen any of the blood sucking ones work. I know the malkavian crazy one doesn't work. It's supposed to give a 200% increase in duration. It gives a 0% increase in duration. Slut/perv are supposed to double your blood pool from men/women, they do absolutely nothing.
     
     
    MadeChina posted:

     And by the way, the damage in VTMB is calculated via a dice roll. Giving us some values you may have gotten doesn't help much, because they can be anywhere on the scale. Cry all you want, but that's how most RPGs work, and not getting the exact values you expected does not mean you should be angry. Actually, be angry all you want, that's your problem. Just don't be rude, because that makes other people angry.

     
     Where did I metion anything about damage? WHERE?
     
     You don't even bother to read the damn thread and want to pontificate on posting? ROFLMAO.                        

     

                                                      

     

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