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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #195 on: May 03, 2021, 06:04:45 pm »
In patch files, why would it be a copy right problem? you are linking them.
I already added that to the restoration document, I thought you wanted to include them as a whole.

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It's better, at least the dialogue is not random.
How so? What should he answer if you suddenly and unwillingly bring him some drugs?

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« Reply #196 on: May 03, 2021, 06:06:28 pm »
What does feel kind of weird, is the Trips finance dot quest, which repeats a awful lot of 'short' lines.
Exactly, because there is nothing else to use...

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #197 on: May 03, 2021, 06:30:17 pm »

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I already added that to the restoration document, I thought you wanted to include them as a whole.
I can't see it, was this added for the second RC? i only have pictures in there.
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How so? What should he answer if you suddenly and unwillingly bring him some drugs?
Perhaps i was not clear,  i mean at the moment the way that you offer to bring drugs is random! player has no idea that he is in need of them but still not only offers but also insists that he can bring some from the medical house.
There is no justification for player knowing these information. you can not improve Trip dialogues but you can improve the way quest triggers.


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What does feel kind of weird, is the Trips finance dot quest
Isn't this the same drug quest that i am talking about?

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #198 on: May 03, 2021, 08:09:54 pm »
There is no justification for player knowing these information. you can not improve Trip dialogues but you can improve the way quest triggers.
I agree the queststart could be better.
Here is my quick idea. A new Mercurio email but the overall tone is before he made the deal with Dennis. So i doesn´t mention the morphine.

"Looking for some extra cash?"
"I know this place (the SM Haven) is more of a dump and the $100 aren´t helping much
But look arround in Santa Monica there is always someone who needs something.I heard the rumour that the guy from the pawnshop Trip is interessed in selling und buying some drugs.Maybe you can find some in the local hospital"

And speaking of Trip lines: Why not reusing the line about the weapons aka Trip 41?
New Player line: "I heard from a little bird that this is also a drugstore if you know that i am mean"
Trip 41: "Look... now... I appreciate your business and I'll sell to you but don't tell anyone else, 'k? Keep your nose clean."
New Player line: "I unterstand but i more interested in selling."
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 08:11:48 pm by Wilhelm-Streicher »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #199 on: May 03, 2021, 08:19:12 pm »
I can't see it, was this added for the second RC? i only have pictures in there.
Yes, that's not yet in RC1.

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Perhaps i was not clear,  i mean at the moment the way that you offer to bring drugs is random!
The connection is his name, at least in German. Does "Trip" not mean the same in English or other languages?

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Isn't this the same drug quest that i am talking about?
Yes, but he somehow mixed it up with the Mercurio morphine quest.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #200 on: May 03, 2021, 08:29:00 pm »
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The connection is his name, at least in German. Does "Trip" not mean the same in English or other languages?
I have no idea, the only word i know  that might have any connection to this is "tripping" but then again i am not native English speaker.
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Yes, but he somehow mixed it up with the Mercurio morphine quest.
Ah okey.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #201 on: May 03, 2021, 08:34:32 pm »
The connection is his name, at least in German. Does "Trip" not mean the same in English or other languages?
I think it does but still its a strange dialogue or how many people will make the connection with your first name and the Werner (movies)?  :razz:

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #202 on: May 03, 2021, 08:41:59 pm »
I think it does but still its a strange dialogue or how many people will make the connection with your first name and the Werner (movies)?  :razz:
In my generation a lot of people did and I had to learn who this famous Werner guy was on my own :). Trip certainly is the type for drugs, he says himself to Malkavians: "Huh? What are you smoking? More importantly, where can I get some?" Maybe I can edit this line and include the one that you suggested somewhere as well, but I think the quest should be gotten in the dialogue with him, not an email from Mercurio or anybody else...

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #203 on: May 03, 2021, 08:46:40 pm »
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I think it does but still its a strange dialogue or how many people will make the connection with your first name and the Werner (movies)?
Even if anyone understands the connection there is still a problem:
"Umm... no, not, not really. Sorry."
"Not really? There is a clinic across the road. Should I get you something for a discount?"
Player doesn't know the type of drug so he can not know about where to get them either.
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In my generation a lot of people did and I had to learn who this famous Werner guy was on my own :). Trip certainly is the type for drugs, he says himself to Malkavians: "Huh? What are you smoking? More importantly, where can I get some?" Maybe I can edit this line and include the one that you suggested somewhere as well, but I think the quest should be gotten in the dialogue with him, not an email from Mercurio or anybody else...
In that case you can just put "G.KnowTripDrugs" somewhere in Arthur computer or a note from Mercurio to 1 and then allow player to say the dialogue to trip to activate the quest.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #204 on: May 03, 2021, 09:07:13 pm »
In my generation a lot of people did and I had to learn who this famous Werner guy was on my own :).
Well i shouldn´t be surprised but i thought that Werner isn´t that popular in Southern Germany unlike North Germany of course.

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Trip certainly is the type for drugs, he says himself to Malkavians: "Huh? What are you smoking? More importantly, where can I get some?" Maybe I can edit this line and include the one that you suggested somewhere as well, but I think the quest should be gotten in the dialogue with him, not an email from Mercurio or anybody else...
I still prefer a Mercurio email but your idea with reusing Trip 531 is, not gonna lie, pretty interesting. Maybe you can use for the player dialogue a more vampire style one like i don´t know: "There can i buy blood"? It's a bad one but maybe you or tarulu have better ideas than myself right now.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 11:21:57 pm by Wesp5 »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #205 on: May 03, 2021, 11:20:40 pm »
Even if anyone understands the connection there is still a problem:
"Umm... no, not, not really. Sorry."
"Not really? There is a clinic across the road. Should I get you something for a discount?"
Player doesn't know the type of drug so he can not know about where to get them either.
That's the joke about the quest! You know what the player brings him in the end? Viagra.

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In that case you can just put "G.KnowTripDrugs" somewhere in Arthur computer or a note from Mercurio to 1 and then allow player to say the dialogue to trip to activate the quest.
So Arthur or Mercurio not only rat Trip out by telling that he sells guns, no, they make his drug problem open for everyone to see too.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 11:23:23 pm by Wesp5 »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #206 on: May 03, 2021, 11:26:03 pm »
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That's the joke about the quest! You know what the player brings him in the end? Viagra.
lol, i never noticed that.
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So either Arthur or Mercurio not only rat Trip out by telling that he sells guns, no, they make his drug problem open for everyone to see too.
Again i think i wasn't making myself clear...
Think for example something in lines of this:

"name"      "Cleaver, V"
         "description"   "Vandal Cleaver"
         "runtext"   "Vandal Cleaver
Bond written 01/01/02 -- Two Counts Concealment of a deadly weapon, Threats. Case #341800. Bond Amount: $20,000. Type of Bond: Cash - paid in full.
Notes: Picked up after local woman reported being stalked by subject. Found with a knife and a stun gun. Good lawyer got this guy's sentence talked down from intent to do bodily harm to restraining order in a matter of hours."
Now :"Trip, one instance of trying to sneak in, in hospital storage room" or "Trip, one instance of driving while high" etc
Mine isn't any good but you are better at this so if you decided to change it you can come up with a better idea.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 12:04:00 am by tarulu »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #207 on: May 04, 2021, 09:06:31 am »
Now :"Trip, one instance of trying to sneak in, in hospital storage room" or "Trip, one instance of driving while high".
Okay, but how would we continue from there? "Hello, my name is Trip." "Hello Trip, I read somewhere that you are using drugs. Should I get you some?" Doesn't sound much better to me and players must have read all bails in the first place...

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« Reply #208 on: May 04, 2021, 11:05:37 am »
I am fine with current dialogues, just that you have some sort of idea about it before you go and insist you can get it from x place.
Anyhow the point is to improve it, if you can improve it in the way that you stated few posts ago, i am all in for it!



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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.9 RC 1 has been released!
« Reply #209 on: May 04, 2021, 06:28:32 pm »
Playing as Gangrel, as I eliminate the last 2 sabat fellas and proceed to the door leading to the master creator of monsters, when I get to the other side of the door I'm hung and can't proceed further. I've gone back and restarted from other places in the Hollowbrook… I still get the same result

 

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