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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #105 on: April 20, 2019, 04:48:12 pm »
may i ask what were the sleep levels?

Sleep was a cut Dominate level in which people would drop and fall asleep. This is now used for supernaturals who are resistant to Suicide, so they fall asleep instead now...

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #106 on: April 21, 2019, 02:18:32 pm »
may i ask what were the sleep levels?

Sleep was a cut Dominate level in which people would drop and fall asleep. This is now used for supernaturals who are resistant to Suicide, so they fall asleep instead now...

Neat. And what about the dementation ones, did you made a similar solution?
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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2019, 04:40:44 pm »
Neat. And what about the dementation ones, did you made a similar solution?

Yes.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #108 on: April 21, 2019, 08:01:59 pm »
may i ask what were the sleep levels?

Sleep was a cut Dominate level in which people would drop and fall asleep. This is now used for supernaturals who are resistant to Suicide, so they fall asleep instead now...
thanks.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #109 on: April 22, 2019, 04:09:45 pm »
Dang. Sleep was such a useful Discipline for doing a stealth run through the Museum, or dealing with Samantha or Chunk. Just knock everyone out and you're free to run around and accomplish your business without interruptions.
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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #110 on: April 22, 2019, 09:42:12 pm »
Too easy :P
Although another solution for keeping both of them (if it's possible) can be use sleep by default AND suicide for when the target is fighting
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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #111 on: April 23, 2019, 06:09:24 am »
Dang. Sleep was such a useful Discipline for doing a stealth run through the Museum, or dealing with Samantha or Chunk. Just knock everyone out and you're free to run around and accomplish your business without interruptions.

I am with Ian here. Removing Sleep makes the game more difficult not easier and the player loses possibilities for gaining nothing. For me Mass Suicide is of no use but Sleep could be of much help. For Bedlam I am not sure, it somehow fits a Malkavian and maybe it is better to be returned but on the other hand it is too random and I doubt that it will be a first choice to be used. After all the chance for the desired effect is 25% and the cost is quite high.

As I mentioned more difficult, could you make the Sheriff use his Fortitude discipline. I don't remember ever seeing him use it. That could make the fight with him I little bit more difficult because at least for me it is too easy now. If I remember correctly he has Fortitude 5 in his NPC template.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #112 on: April 23, 2019, 07:35:41 am »
I am with Ian here. Removing Sleep makes the game more difficult not easier and the player loses possibilities for gaining nothing.

Hm, people on Steam argued very hard in the other direction but actually in case of killing more enemies. I wonder if there is a way to get both...

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« Reply #113 on: April 23, 2019, 11:09:39 am »
I think the sleep is more useful for players who prefer no killing-stealth style. It very useful on the missions like Elizabeth Dane and at the museum. In the other hand I'm totally understand people who prefer suicide over sleep in combat, it just more useful when you fight. Hard to decide which one suits the game better.
Is there no possibility to have them both?

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #114 on: April 23, 2019, 11:37:10 am »
Is there no possibility to have them both?

Not really. We could replace single Suicide with Sleep again, but keep the multi-Suicide as final level. The other option would be to make sleep part of command so there is a chance that enemies will fall asleep. Which of both solutions makes more sense in your opinion?

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« Reply #115 on: April 23, 2019, 11:41:30 am »
Not really. We could replace single Suicide with Sleep again, but keep the multi-Suicide as final level. The other option would be to make sleep part of command so there is a chance that enemies will fall asleep. Which of both solutions makes more sense in your opinion?
I like the first one with sleep and multi-suicide. This is just my opinion, but I would like to hear what others think.
Is it possible to make one more level of discipline or it is hard-coded?

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #116 on: April 23, 2019, 11:56:34 am »
I like the first one with sleep and multi-suicide. This is just my opinion, but I would like to hear what others think.
Is it possible to make one more level of discipline or it is hard-coded?
Isn´t Sleep just a variation from Trance?
The only advantage from Sleep seems to me its longer duration.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #117 on: April 23, 2019, 01:32:23 pm »
Isn´t Sleep just a variation from Trance?
The only advantage from Sleep seems to me its longer duration.

It basically knocks out enemies for the whole map, which is great for non-lethal sneaking.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2019, 01:33:32 pm »
Not really. We could replace single Suicide with Sleep again, but keep the multi-Suicide as final level. The other option would be to make sleep part of command so there is a chance that enemies will fall asleep. Which of both solutions makes more sense in your opinion?
I like the first one with sleep and multi-suicide. This is just my opinion, but I would like to hear what others think.

Me too! You can now decide what I might do with this :).

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.3 released!
« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2019, 05:38:48 pm »
It's possible to make it dependant if the target is attacking you (suicide) or not (sleep)?
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