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Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« on: June 13, 2011, 07:49:29 AM »
OK, when I played this game in the past, my male Toreadors were able to use seduction on Phil in the clinic basement.  Now he doesn't seem to have any dialogue options for that.  Am I doing something wrong, or was his bisexuality patched out of the game at some point?  Also he doesn't show up until just before I rescue Lily now and it seems he used to show up before that, though I could just be misremembering things.  But I KNOW I am not misremembering his use as a blood doll for male vampires with seduction abilities. 

Its just very frustrating to me that there are so few male blood dolls in the game in the first place and now it seems some have been taken away.  I could have sworn the dude behind the counter at the Empire Hotel was also a possibility and he too is now a no go.  But I know for sure Phil was a male blood doll option, at least until he bit the dust at Lily's hands. 
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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 10:01:10 AM »
As far as your question goes I have no idea. I never even knew male blood dolls existed other than the yuppie near Mercurio's building in Santa Monica.

You said that Phil was a male blood doll option until Lily killed him? I believe you're talking about Bill, not Phil. Phil is the guy you get the freezer code from. Bill is the asian-looking gentleman that walks into the room and gets killed when you free Lily.

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 11:15:13 AM »
As far as your question goes I have no idea. I never even knew male blood dolls existed other than the yuppie near Mercurio's building in Santa Monica.

You said that Phil was a male blood doll option until Lily killed him? I believe you're talking about Bill, not Phil. Phil is the guy you get the freezer code from. Bill is the asian-looking gentleman that walks into the room and gets killed when you free Lily.

You're right.  I thought they were the same person, but I did notice that he was asian when I just played that scene. I can't imagine why I remember seeing Phil's face (Though I always did take note of the fact that they had different voices, but I always just figured it for an oversight on Troika's part).  And for some reason when Vandal whined about Bill's death, I always thought he was saying "Phil".   At any rate, Phil, the guy you get the freezer code from, was indeed a blood doll option.  He says something like "I can't believe that this is happening" or something along those lines (something to indicate is lack of belief at his good fortune) when he thinks he is about to get it on with the PC (male or female). 

And there are other male blood dolls, quite a few of them, but its hard for me to actually count them.  They are the blood dolls with their eyes ripped out of the sockets in the Sabbat hideout.

But I do think that there may have been one at the Empire Hotel and then there is one more little thing with the male food critic in Hollywood who turns out to be gay, although I think that is a one time thing.  You can't go back to him more than once if I recall correctly. 

Thanks for the response.  :)
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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 12:00:25 PM »
OK, when I played this game in the past, my male Toreadors were able to use seduction on Phil in the clinic basement. 

Phil can be seduced but only by women. I can't remember having changed that in my patch...

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I could have sworn the dude behind the counter at the Empire Hotel was also a possibility and he too is now a no go.

The Empire Hotel clerk is still bisexual but only in the the plus patch. The basic version mustn't alter gameplay like this.

But you were right about Lily killing Phil. This was true in the original game but then I was made aware that you could kill Phil yourself ending up with him raising from the dead to be killed again. So I changed that person to Bill showing off a seldom used asian scrubs model at the same time :)!

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2011, 12:11:35 PM »
That's very interesting, Wesp. I had no idea about that. Where did the asian-guy-in-scrubs model and skin come from? Was it unused content you found in the game? Or is it actually used somewhere in the game? Or perhaps it's custom?
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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 12:59:03 PM »
OK, when I played this game in the past, my male Toreadors were able to use seduction on Phil in the clinic basement. 

Phil can be seduced but only by women. I can't remember having changed that in my patch...

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I could have sworn the dude behind the counter at the Empire Hotel was also a possibility and he too is now a no go.

The Empire Hotel clerk is still bisexual but only in the the plus patch. The basic version mustn't alter gameplay like this.

But you were right about Lily killing Phil. This was true in the original game but then I was made aware that you could kill Phil yourself ending up with him raising from the dead to be killed again. So I changed that person to Bill showing off a seldom used asian scrubs model at the same time :)!

Interesting, ok, good, so I wasn't going crazy with memories of Phil being the one killed by Lily.

Thing is though, those same memories have him being able to be seduced by males.   I have only ever played one female vampire and the fact that she could go around seducing female humans left and right but male PCs couldn't seduce many male humans just irritated me to hell and back so I never did it again, but I have memories of more than one character seducing Phil.   I don't suppose that could be put in in some future plus patch? 

I should add that currently I am using the companion mod, which I am pretty sure does not use an updated version of the patch, though I did take note of the lack of Phil seduction by a male when I did one partial play through to see IF he would be available to males in the latest patch, which he wasn't. 

Edit: Ok, I just tried the game only patched up to 1.2 (wow do the textures suck without your patch, Wesp) and I was totally able to seduce Phil with a male Toreadore vampire.  I could also do it with a male Ventrue after cheating seduction in for him.   So something somewhere along the way changed things for sure.   It would be totally awesome if that could be put back in.

Now we just need male blood dolls that don't vanish at some point and actually stick around like the female ones do. 
« Last Edit: June 13, 2011, 01:19:56 PM by DarkZephyr »

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2011, 10:26:45 PM »
Where did the asian-guy-in-scrubs model and skin come from?

He is used besides the Mandarin in the Fu Syndicate building.

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 04:05:53 AM »
By the way, Wesp, I hope I do not come across as ungrateful for the YEARS of hard, amazing, quality work you have put into this.  You are the savior of this game, so please know that I am very grateful that you have done the work that you have done. 

I am just very passionate these days about a little equality in my games.   I take notice of every tiny little morsel of pro-gay content in any game I play.

Thanks again for all of your fantastic work. 

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 08:51:39 AM »
By the way, Wesp, I hope I do not come across as ungrateful for the YEARS of hard, amazing, quality work you have put into this.

No problem...

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I am just very passionate these days about a little equality in my games.   I take notice of every tiny little morsel of pro-gay content in any game I play.

... I looked into the original files and Phil was supposed to be straight, only a syntax error made it possible to seduce him as a male and I had fixed that for a long time. The best I could do would add it back for the plus patch, okay?

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 08:58:40 AM »
By the way, Wesp, I hope I do not come across as ungrateful for the YEARS of hard, amazing, quality work you have put into this.

No problem...

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I am just very passionate these days about a little equality in my games.   I take notice of every tiny little morsel of pro-gay content in any game I play.

... I looked into the original files and Phil was supposed to be straight, only a syntax error made it possible to seduce him as a male and I had fixed that for a long time. The best I could do would add it back for the plus patch, okay?

That would be great, thanks.   :drink:  I prefer the plus patch to anything else anyway.   Thanks again.   :vampsmile:
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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2011, 04:52:13 AM »
I still have no idea who Phil is. I'm so confused. Do you mean the doctor in the back-room behind Vandal in the basement of the clinic? I'm female and I always bemoaned the lack of guys as blood dolls. I wanna use that guy too. That guy doesn't come in during the Lily scene....I thought that was some scene specific random????

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2011, 06:04:06 PM »
Yes, Phil is the guy in the bloodbank backroom, you can get the code from. But he is gone after the Lilly cutscene. Perhaps that could be changed for the pluspatch, so that he stays available. As for his use as a blooddoll, I don't know. Usually I just persuade him to give me the code, and if I'm hungry, I jump him. He is alone after all. :cometome:

Generally I'm all for having male blooddolls as well as female ones. The only problem is to either find fitting dialogs, or someone to do the voice acting and the lip files.
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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2011, 08:10:44 PM »
Yes, Phil is the guy in the bloodbank backroom, you can get the code from. But he is gone after the Lilly cutscene. Perhaps that could be changed for the pluspatch, so that he stays available. As for his use as a blooddoll, I don't know. Usually I just persuade him to give me the code, and if I'm hungry, I jump him. He is alone after all. :cometome:

Generally I'm all for having male blooddolls as well as female ones. The only problem is to either find fitting dialogs, or someone to do the voice acting and the lip files.

Oh! Okay yeah! I've jumped him before! I like him. And I noticed he was gone after that too. But Lily didn't attack him did she? I thought that was a diff guy. I don't think I ever got the code from him though. I must have gotten in there another way, or got it from a computer or something.

But I'm totally all for someone pretty please patching him back in to stay as a super tasty male blood-doll cookie!

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2011, 01:27:00 PM »
Oh! Okay yeah! I've jumped him before! I like him. And I noticed he was gone after that too. But Lily didn't attack him did she?

She did in the original game but I replaced him with the asian scrubs Bill, because if someone killed him, like you did, he would appear from the death which is quite a bug to me ;)!

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But I'm totally all for someone pretty please patching him back in to stay as a super tasty male blood-doll cookie!

Done :)! If you don't kill him he will be available as a blood-doll after you freed Lily in the next Unofficial Patch.

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Re: Male Blood Doll in Clinic
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2011, 05:11:07 PM »
Oh! Okay yeah! I've jumped him before! I like him. And I noticed he was gone after that too. But Lily didn't attack him did she?

She did in the original game but I replaced him with the asian scrubs Bill, because if someone killed him, like you did, he would appear from the death which is quite a bug to me ;)!

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But I'm totally all for someone pretty please patching him back in to stay as a super tasty male blood-doll cookie!

Done :)! If you don't kill him he will be available as a blood-doll after you freed Lily in the next Unofficial Patch.


Woooo! I'm so excited! Thank you! Oh, and I never ever killed him. I just drank his sweet nectar hahahaaha!

 

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