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Offline Morslyte

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2017, 02:12:56 PM »
Don't bother OP, too many haters, but half naked woman in the intro is not erotic to them, but what if that would be a guy? Oh no that would be a scandal :P, that's why SJW's are in the world now in the first place.. Still the game was made like this, but you can seduce both genders as female or male so it's not that bad as for 2004 game, and Wesp5 maded Romero bi (thanks btw!) if I remember correctly.

If you want more same sex content I suggest BioWare games.

I'm a girl and I have no reason whatsoever to appreciate "a half naked woman in the intro", and if you had any knowledge of the lore of VtM whatsoever you'd know perfectly well why Jeanette and VV are dressed in the way they are. But noooooooooo, you don't want to know anything, you just want to come and bash the community.
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Offline Lukensen

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2017, 10:22:52 AM »
''But noooooooooo, you don't want to know anything, you just want to come and bash the community''

Perfect sentence for you :P

I really don't care why they are half naked in intro, I just pay attention to the fact that they are. And no I was not looking to ''bash'' anyone or to make fights like you kids are doing everytime with everyone online.. Haters gonna hate.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2017, 10:27:51 AM by Lukensen »

Offline Satanu Reeves

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2017, 06:41:52 AM »
So, did you make any progress editing the opening cut scene? I'm curious, I didn't think that was easy. Also, despite the multiple used condoms, panties, jostling, tipped champagne glasses, giggling, heavy breathing, and whispering into the ears, the opening sequence isn't necessarily sexual. They could just be eating nachos.

Offline Mikhail Naumov

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2017, 11:07:13 AM »
I am a member of the clan 'homosexual', and honestly I like the game as it is. I understand that games like this typically target a younger, mostly male, mostly straight (entirely, honestly) audience.

I'm used to it, some people may call that internalized oppression, but I personally just call it being realistic. The entire tone of some areas of the game would be altered in a not-so-positive way if you 'gay'd' up the game a lot. Not everything has to be turned into a yaoi fanfic, just my two cents.

THAT being said, if someone wants to mod it in, that's 100% their prerogative and it certainly isn't hurting anything, and honestly I might feel compelled to try it out of sheer curiosity if it was made. I'm gay myself so I have no issues seeing the man love, or even W+W love. Or M+W love or whatever the hell. I just don't think gaying up the game would do it much justice (the game, or the LGBT elements), as the game was definitely designed with its target audience in mind. Which would be straight males aged 16-30 IMO. But as I said, if someone wants to do it, they should, it certainly ain't hurting anyone.  At the same time, forcing stuff like that in sometimes feels like pandering/tokenism, which is just as offensive as bigotry and ignorance in my opinion. Eh.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2017, 11:09:21 AM by Mikhail Naumov »

Offline Satanu Reeves

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2017, 10:59:30 PM »
I would like to add some more, hopefully final, thoughts on this thread.

Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines. This game has long since been hailed as one of the most gay friendly games produced at the time. It came out in 2004. Only a couple of games such as Fable or Temple of Elemental Evil even touched the subject. It is beloved by the gay community. Gay people who disagree are a minority within their minority I assure you. Troika did not erase gay men, it's just the most limited expression in the game. This is seen as a product of the time and has been rumored to have been under the direction of Activision which would fit their profile in this period. The perception that this game is seen as some how repressive by the larger gay community is a false narrative created by SJWs.

Anti-SJW. There is no such thing. Only SJWs. Some have the left's sense of "justice" others have the right's sense of "justice".

Gay Mods.  I have seen no evidence of anyone pushing mod creators to put gay themes in their mods. And as often as SJWs sock-puppet I probably wouldn't believe it even if I saw it. I have only seen polite requests such as a request to put bisexual Phil back in the plus version of the game, apparently it was a bug. No matter what the subject matter is the proper response is "make the mod yourself or STFU." Thankfully that latter point seems to be understood here. Don't know why this would even bother anyone. It's easier to live with some random idiot hating you for not allowing them control than some may think. Furthermore, the mods exist. I made them. A seduction mod and a pin up mod. You can find them on Nexus. I guess I forgot to announce that here, but I suppose this will serve as that announcement.

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2017, 01:06:05 PM »
As a staunchly leftist gay man who usually hates the emerging PC culture and trend for being 'offended', I've gotta come to this guys defence and point out that there are people in this thread doing the exact same thing they supposedly hate 'SJW's' for. Namely, erroneously politicising something so that they can be 'offended' and use a post as a platform for a rant they want to deliver.

There is nothing inherently political in wanting gay content in a role playing game if you're gay. There *could* be, but unless it's stated, you're assuming intent like an obnoxious SJW. You're being a social injustice warrior, if we're being cute.

Most straight people automatically play straight characters in an RPG. Anything that unavoidably contradicts that is jarring. It's the same for gay people. This roleplaying game starts off with the clear suggestion that you get turned during a hook up with a chick if you're playing a dude, instantly damaging the roleplay narrative of a gay player. It's annoying and some people may want to mod it for their own enjoyment. The OP came here for help doing that. That's it. Stop pushing your SIJW narrative and get back to whatever the right wing version of Tumblr is.
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Offline Rubinia

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2017, 02:57:28 PM »
The game wasn't initially meant to be leaking with sexual content, the way I see it. That's why we have darkened screen on Jeanette & PC intercourse and there was no oral sex outside clubs (I came around it only with some 9.6 Extended or something, before (on more vanillia version) it was guy having gir's knee on his balls, quite clear message). All prostitutes are for feeding purpose only.

In other terms and conditions game tends to be heavy. I wasn't quite comfortable with bloody mess Andrei did, and the whole snuff affair is taken almost in whole from one movie with some wide-known actor, meant for adults (quite understandable, too). I wish I remembered more, but it was American production for sure.

But then people are people, in second-hand remake you are free to do and distribute whatever you're capable of, and no age-rate boundaries restrict such developers. I'm aware there's Nude Mod somewhere, I never actually wanted to test it. It's like a mild pornography, I'm not sure if I don't use a wrong (overexagerated) word, but I hope you know what I mean.

Gay Mod would be simillarly out-of-my interests-range. Thena again, if I were to look through online information about the game and the first thing I met was Nude Mod (or Gay Mod) I would be repulsed. Bad reputation, quite weird stuff, as PC game is not a source of sexual amusement. Shouldn't be any.

Might be, I get it all wrong and well... intentions for this same-sex sire-PC change are quite pure. Or maybe not. Can't judge, can only guess.

The sure thing is I don't know how to "edit" video sequences of the game.
I'm aware the players can be hardly called "children" as it's not a game for children, but still, promotion of same-sex-sex seems alarming, isn't something I'd approve/support/congrat.

And the better for VTMB is not to deepen its sexual themes, it's actually quite shallow.

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Offline maxoku

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2017, 03:52:06 PM »
promotion of same-sex-sex seems alarming, isn't something I'd approve/support/congrat.
I hope you realize that is homophobic.
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And the better for VTMB is not to deepen its sexual themes, it's actually quite shallow.
Where did you find anything about putting any sexual themes in game? Read the topic first and then comment.

I'm still waiting for someone to edit the intro sound file to erase the female sounds and suggestions for male posters. After that I'll make the mod.

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2017, 04:16:29 PM »
This roleplaying game starts off with the clear suggestion that you get turned during a hook up with a chick if you're playing a dude, instantly damaging the roleplay narrative of a gay player.

The beginning also implies this was a one night stand, so if I'm not into that at all, my personal narrative is damaged too. But it's a ropelplaying game and I can play someone else for a change ;)!

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2017, 07:27:13 PM »
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Quote from: Rubinia on October 15, 2017, 02:57:28 PM

    promotion of same-sex-sex seems alarming, isn't something I'd approve/support/congrat.

I hope you realize that is homophobic.

Right. Just because I wouldn't approve, support and congrat I have homophobic views. So perhaps it's not as bad thing as I used to think.

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   Quote from: Rubinia on October 15, 2017, 02:57:28 PM

 And the better for VTMB is not to deepen its sexual themes, it's actually quite shallow.

Where did you find anything about putting any sexual themes in game? Read the topic first and then comment.

In the topic title, mostly. You seek to switch Sire gender, see, I've read this far!
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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2017, 12:29:06 PM »
Right. Just because I wouldn't approve, support and congrat I have homophobic views. So perhaps it's not as bad thing as I used to think.
Nope, not that part. If you don't know what homophobia is then look for answers on the net. Wikipedia for starters. Nevertheless it's not a place for such things.
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In the topic title, mostly.
Nope, there is no sex themes in topic title. You should learn how to read lol.
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You seek to switch Sire gender
That is the only right thing you said. But explain to me how is this putting any themes in the game? The themes are already there, nothing new is putted there.
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see, I've read this far!
Really, you read only the topic title? If you're posting, read the whole topic (all posts - there's not that many!) first. For the second if you can't understand what you read then don't comment, ask for clarification, think about it and then post your answer. But probably I'm expecting too much from the likes of you.

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2017, 08:52:01 PM »
Not sure if you ever started anything, in the modding section, as I mentioned in my first post. How are you going to implement this, once we choose the gender in selection screen are you planning on adding a tick/checkmark when you want to see a same sex sire. Also, if I've read correctly and voice is the only issue why not make the mod with no voice until you find a way or someone to help with the voice.
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Offline maxoku

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2017, 04:07:28 PM »
@Acleacius
Why should I implement this as additional option? It will replace the default opposite sex sire. Without voice? There is a one sound file for whole intro (besides the 'I want to show you something' and scream). It doesn't make sense to mute the whole intro.

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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2017, 06:25:19 PM »
I must have misunderstood you intentions, it seems rather obvious at least to me, because you would be offering a choice. Isn't that the whole reason your doing this because you wanted to have the choice for same sex sire.

Yes, it's called proof of concept. If someone sees you actually have something, it's easier to attract modding help. You made it sound like you can do everything but the voice. Nor do I understand why you don't start a modding thread for your mod, why is it important for you to get voice help in Tech Support.

It makes a hell of a lot of sense if your main intention is to make same sex sire scene. Hell if you just want voice, then replace the sire voice to what ever sex you want and be done with it.

The thing that doesn't make any sense is the fact that you think, it's not important to build mod, with the scene first. Afaik, no modder or designer has ever waited until they have everything before they do any work.
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Re: Gay intro and other stuff
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2017, 07:06:14 PM »
@Acleacius
The choice is to install mode and have the same sex sire. I don't understand your point. I can't post mods anyway, with the last one Wesp5 helped me and I don't want to trouble him for not complete mods.

Replace the sire voice? You mean that "I want to show you something"? I've already done this. I was talking about the sounds in intro sound file which contains far more things than only erotic sounds.

I've already wrote everything I've done, so if someone wants to use it could recreate it themselves. I don't really see a point to make incomplete mod at this point. It's a small mod, not a big project that needs to be tested with betas.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 07:09:23 PM by maxoku »

 

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