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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2019, 07:32:09 AM »
How about broadsword vs broadsword?
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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2019, 09:39:15 AM »
As for my soundsystem I use the onboard intel HD Audio.

Hm. Can you just go into the sound folder and play the mp3s there to see if some of them cause problems and others don't?

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2019, 09:59:30 AM »
The broadsword is already comparable to the katana, but it still is overkill if the player could get two of the most powerfull melee weapons during a side quest!
Wesp5 quote: "but you can own the katana by that time anyway..."
The LaSombra Quest is only available when the player reach Chinatown. And in Chinatown the player gets the Katana either through Zhaos, Johnny
or the Mandarin Quest. So does that  really matter?
In my opinion the LaSombra shouldn´t have a boring knife which most common human thugs have.

And are you sure that Broadsword is not (slightly?) weaker than the Katana?

How about broadsword vs broadsword?
Good idea. The only technicial question is can the LaSombra wear and fight with a Broadsword?
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 10:01:02 AM by Wilhelm-Streicher »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2019, 11:43:39 AM »
In my opinion the LaSombra shouldn´t have a boring knife which most common human thugs have.

He uses an Uzi so a knife would fit better to that than a katana. And his tactic is to avoid melee fighting anyway!

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And are you sure that Broadsword is not (slightly?) weaker than the Katana?

Maybe. I tried both against Ming and the difference isn't much! The broadsword has lower SkillRequirement and higher BaseLethality but lower dmg.

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Good idea. The only technicial question is can the LaSombra wear and fight with a Broadsword?

Besides that this would mess the cutscene up, the Lasombra only drops his melee weapon if you kill him while in melee so you might end up missing it!
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 11:46:08 AM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2019, 12:05:53 PM »
He uses an Uzi so a knife would fit better to that than a katana. And his tactic is to avoid melee fighting anyway!
Really? He isn´t using a Mac 10. ;)
A Uzi is more unique and better fit for a Boss fight.

So to give him a knife makes him less of a Boss fight. Just another enemy with a knife.

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Besides that this would mess the cutscene up, the Lasombra only drops his melee weapon if you kill him while in melee so you might end up missing it!
Why? The cutscene could still be the same. The player grabs the Broadsword and fights the LaSombra who has also a Broadsword.
So we have a nice duel with Broadswords.
Also who fights with a knife when you have a broadsword nearby? Makes less sense to me. ;)

Edit: Or just give the LaSombra the weaker version of the Katana the Shin Gunto. :)
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 12:37:40 PM by Wilhelm-Streicher »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2019, 03:41:42 PM »
A Uzi is more unique and better fit for a Boss fight.

I mean an Uzi is small hideable firearm which fits good to an emergency knife. That guy is wearing a suit, I can't really imagine him carrying a broadsword around!

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So we have a nice duel with Broadswords.

That would look stupid and we would have a double "unique" weapon! The broadsword is intended to be a ritual weapon for that situation only.

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Or just give the LaSombra the weaker version of the Katana the Shin Gunto. :)

I already contemplated that, but after my reasoning above I think a knife would make more sense. IanW, what would fit a Lasombra the best?
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 03:43:22 PM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2019, 04:48:17 PM »
That guy is wearing a suit, I can't really imagine him carrying a broadsword around!
Of course he isn´t always carrying this thing but if he had choose between an broadsword which already lie around or a knife well i would take the sword. ;)

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That would look stupid and we would have a double "unique" weapon! The broadsword is intended to be a ritual weapon for that situation only.
Why the player can only pick up one broadsword. So the LaSombra sword is useless unless the player sell or store his sword and then comes back.
And who does that (besides me perhaps)

Or the LaSombra drops only the Uzi and still fights with Broadsword.

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I already contemplated that, but after my reasoning above I think a knife would make more sense. IanW, what would fit a Lasombra the best?
Why???
After all these years the Katana was ok for the LaSombra to wear but now not the " mass-produced version of the traditional Japanese katana. "
which basically the same weaker weapon?
Sorry Wesp but this makes even less sense (at least for me) :)

I believe the Shin Gunto is a good compromise. The knife on the other hand we already have plently enough of enemies who fights with knifes.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 06:21:43 PM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2019, 06:23:56 PM »
Of course he isn´t always carrying this thing but if he had choose between an broadsword which already lie around or a knife well i would take the sword. ;)

He can't use the sword because the player gets it first!

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After all these years the Katana was ok for the LaSombra to wear but now not the " mass-produced version of the traditional Japanese katana. " which basically the same weaker weapon?

I actually never cared about his melee weapon as I usually kill him with firearms. But now as we are already discussing it, we could as well ask a WoW VTM professional.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 06:28:45 PM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2019, 07:40:40 PM »
He can't use the sword because the player gets it first!
So he instead fights with a knife against someone to wear a Broadsword. Smart move Mr. LaSombra.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2019, 09:58:10 PM »
So he instead fights with a knife against someone to wear a Broadsword.

He fights with an Uzi while teleporting around. If you get him with a Broadsword, he is indeed an idiot ;)!

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2019, 11:33:40 PM »
Hm. Can you just go into the sound folder and play the mp3s there to see if some of them cause problems and others don't?
Both mp3s that cause the stutter (killer at diner, hostess at red dragon) play fine in winamp, WMP and SMPlayer. I checked the logs of mplayer/mpv and there is nothing reported out of the ordinary, both sound fine. Task manager did not show any high CPU loads.

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As for the katana/knife/broadsword (since I apparently woke a beast there), the kanata at the point when I did the library quest was quite a few quests in the future, so I stand by the point that it does matter.

Katana is more powerful with higher melee stat (it overtakes the sword at melee combat 7).

Having Lasombra drop another broadsword is the best mechanics-wise because it would just be an unpickable item by that point, although I get the suit argument wesp5 makes.

Also I have played the game multiple times and this is the first time it dropped, which makes sense because it only does that when actually using it in melee which it it not prone to do. So by that measure having a knife would matter little when it does drop. But dropping the katana can "mess up" the loot curve a bit.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2019, 12:06:27 AM »
I got to the VV cutscene you added recently and after it was over (and I got the autohgraphed photo reward notification), I saw only black plus the stadard life/mana bars and crosshair).

Looking around I see that I seem to be outside the map or something like that. Console complains it cannot find actors pcClone and VV_lapdance.

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2019, 10:23:11 AM »
As for the katana/knife/broadsword (since I apparently woke a beast there), the kanata at the point when I did the library quest was quite a few quests in the future, so I stand by the point that it does matter.
Sorry but no it doesn´t. ;)
You can start the Library quest only at Chinatown and you get the earliest katana at Zhao.
Yeah there some quests in between but only one or two with fights.

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Having Lasombra drop another broadsword is the best mechanics-wise because it would just be an unpickable item by that point, although I get the suit argument wesp5 makes.
Well have you guys for example ever saw Highlander 1 (the rest doesn´t exist by the way)
A suit foe  (and MacLeod) can still wear something bigger than a knife under suit. Starts at 2:20


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Also I have played the game multiple times and this is the first time it dropped, which makes sense because it only does that when actually using it in melee which it it not prone to do. So by that measure having a knife would matter little when it does drop. But dropping the katana can "mess up" the loot curve a bit.
For me the Uzi is a lot more rare because i favor melee over gun so i often get the Katana.  The Katana isn´t therefore really new.

Maybe we can find a good compromise for all. What do you think about given the LaSombra a Shin Gunto instead of the Katana?

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I got to the VV cutscene you added recently and after it was over (and I got the autohgraphed photo reward notification), I saw only black plus the stadard life/mana bars and crosshair).
Which clan and gender is your character?
My last one was female Toreador and it was also bugged. Also the neck and feets of my character were much longer in the scene as it should it be.
I already reported this to Wesp.
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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2019, 05:36:33 PM »
You can start the Library quest only at Chinatown and you get the earliest katana at Zhao.

Stilll it depends on the play style. If you do sidequests first, like I do, you won't get a katana for some time! Also if you are a ranged fighter chances are high again that the Tong don't drop a katana in the first place...

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A suit foe  (and MacLeod) can still wear something bigger than a knife under suit.

Yeah, because they didn't have the swords before they draw them. I did some larping and the only reasonable way to carry a katana around would be like Blade or the Society of Leopold hunters do! From which it would be near impossible to draw it out though. But I think this should be no argument as the player carries dozends of weapons regardless of his clothes :)!

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For me the Uzi is a lot more rare because i favor melee over gun so i often get the Katana.  The Katana isn´t therefore really new.

See above, different play styles have different issues.

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Maybe we can find a good compromise for all. What do you think about given the LaSombra a Shin Gunto instead of the Katana?

It's probably what I will end up doing, but I would like to have a comment of IanW on this nevertheless ;)!

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Which clan and gender is your character?

That is not relevant for the black screen, which the last RC should have fixed though. So I hope that Plague played RC 1 or RC 2...

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Also the neck and feets of my character were much longer in the scene as it should it be.

This is a typical problem of models in cutscenes and only DDLullu would be able to fix it.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2019, 08:59:28 AM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Unofficial Patch 10.5 released!
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2019, 11:52:48 PM »
So I hope that Plague played RC 1 or RC 2...
I have the one with the bugged newspaper in Santa Monica haven, so it should be RC2 (I don know how to check the version other than looking at the changelog and RCs are not part of it).
Solved then :)