Tremere using Dominate in conversation

[[archive] Layec]

                Howdy.
 
 I would like to add the ability to use Dominate in conversation with NPCs to the Tremere.  Any information on how I can do that would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] sexydeth]

                I'm going to go out on a limb here and say its not possible.  I think when you speak to an NPC it does a check of your clan to see which dialog options to bring up.  You could replace the Ventrue model with the Tremere but then you lose the Thaumaturgy discipline.  
 
 The only way I think this could be possible is to go into the game's mechanics and whenever it initiates chat to have it think a Tremere is a Ventrue but then you lose out on any Tremere lines like when Bertram says your kind is going the way of beta or are almost extinct.  I don't know how to do this myself but I have some knowledge of programming.  I don't know if the Dominate files can just be accessed by changing a Tremere ID with a Ventrue one.  Its more than just a change of text but there is also the blood cost tied to it.  I think they gave that skill to the Ventrue to give them something uniquely theirs.  Tremere get a special haven and a powerful discipline, Ventrue's get LaCroix.                        

 

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[[archive] Signothorn]

                You can add Dominate to your discipline list in the clandoc.txt file but you may have to sacrifice something else, depending on which patch you're using, due to the limitation on how many disciplines the game allows.                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] Wesp5]

               

Signothorn posted:You can add Dominate to your discipline list in the clandoc.txt file but you may have to sacrifice something else, depending on which patch you're using, due to the limitation on how many disciplines the game allows.

 
 The Tremere already have the Dominate discipline only it does not work in dialogues compared to that of the Ventrue. I think others here have already tried to change it but it seems to be hard-coded into the engine like sexydeth explained.                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] Layec]

                Thanks for your help.  I wish the solution was simple, but oh well.                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] Valamyr]

                There IS a solution - workaround actually, that I've used in the past.
 
 Unfortunately it's not VERY quick, but its simple enough.
 
 You have to open all the dialog files, and do a find/replace on all instances of "Dominate 1", "Dominate 2", etc, for "Thaumaturgy 1", "Thaumaturgy 2", etc, and remove all references to "is.clan.pc = Ventrue". That'll trick the game into letting you use the dominate options.
 
 It can be done with any discipline really. A toreador could do it with Presence and it would work, technically. You even get the line in red, like a Ventrue, though with a slightly different font.
 
 Theres a bloodlines dialogs editor somewhere out there that makes this process quite a bit faster than using notepad, BTW.                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] Wesp5]

               

Valamyr posted:
 You have to open all the dialog files, and do a find/replace on all instances of "Dominate 1", "Dominate 2", etc, for "Thaumaturgy 1", "Thaumaturgy 2", etc, and remove all references to "is.clan.pc = Ventrue". That'll trick the game into letting you use the dominate options.

 
 Is a Blood Loss connected with this and if it is, should I consider this for the plus patch or would this make the Tremere to strong? How about Presence for Toreador and others? How is this handled in the PnP game?                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] Dark666Prophet]

                You're an eloquent man, Offkorn.                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] MooCHa2]

               

Dark666Prophet posted:You're an eloquent man, Offkorn.

 
 He just skips the bullshit is all, and gets straight to the point...
 
 Regards...                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] Offkorn]

               

Wesp5 posted:Is a Blood Loss connected with this and if it is, should I consider this for the plus patch or would this make the Tremere to strong? How about Presence for Toreador and others? How is this handled in the PnP game?
 

 
 You did notice the 'remove all mentions of Dominate' didn't you?
 
 If you make it work for Tremere, then it stops working for Ventrue.                        

 

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[[archive] Wesp5]

               

Offkorn posted:
 You did notice the 'remove all mentions of Dominate' didn't you?
 

 
 Yes, but I thought he meant to copy the lines and then replace Dominate with Thaumaturgy.
 
 

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 If you make it work for Tremere, then it stops working for Ventrue.
 

 
 That would make no sense then! So should I assume that you tried to do something like this for your PnP mod already and it didn't work out? Are Tremere able to use Dominate in Dialogues in the PnP game anyway? What about his Presence suggestion? Is this PnP conform?                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] Offkorn]

               

Wesp5 posted:That would make no sense then! So should I assume that you tried to do something like this for your PnP mod already and it didn't work out? Are Tremere able to use Dominate in Dialogues in the PnP game anyway? What about his Presence suggestion? Is this PnP conform?
 

 
 Just fucking do it and watch what happens.
 
 You may even enjoy the result.                        

 

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[[archive] Wesp5]

               

MooCHa2 posted:

Dark666Prophet posted:You're an eloquent man, Offkorn.

 
 He just skips the bullshit is all, and gets straight to the point...
 

 
 Well, I may try the in-game changes myself but I still don't know how Tremere Dominate and Presence is handled in the PnP game and you sure well know that I never played that!                        

 

                                                  

[[archive] MooCHa2]

               

Wesp5 posted:
 
 Well, I may try the in-game changes myself but I still don't know how Tremere Dominate and Presence is handled in the PnP game and you sure well know that I never played that!

 
 Ask on the whitewolf forums how it works. It is always worth the attempt at it  
 
 I don't have a proper indepth scooby doo about it myself.
 
 Regards...
 
 
                       

 

                                                  

[[archive] Pixxee_O_kais]

                wow. offkorn is kind of a jerkbag.