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Offline mr_homn

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Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« on: July 29, 2011, 09:53:53 PM »
So according to Tessmage forums, Tesserra is charging 20 dollars (calling it a "donation) for people to download his vaguely described bloodlines "megamod". Isn't that illegal? Like, copyright infringement or something?

I'm sorry for bringing him up, I am not trying to resurrect petty drama,  but I thought the community should know about this. It doesn't seem right for such a psychopath to be profiting off the hard work of former troika employees.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 10:19:21 PM by mr_homn »

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 11:59:20 PM »
Without permission I think it would be. If it FORCES you to pay then yeah, but accepting money that they don't ask for isn't.

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2011, 02:46:22 AM »
I don't know, what Tessara offers, but imo the only thing he really is good at, is telling everybody how good Tessara is at everything. I woudn't give him a cent if my life dependet on it.
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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2011, 09:23:22 AM »
So according to Tessmage forums, Tesserra is charging 20 dollars (calling it a "donation) for people to download his vaguely described bloodlines "megamod". Isn't that illegal? Like, copyright infringement or something?

I think he is already breaking copyright with his current patch, because it includes some commercial mp3 music tracks.

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2011, 05:44:19 PM »
So according to Tessmage forums, Tesserra is charging 20 dollars (calling it a "donation) for people to download his vaguely described bloodlines "megamod". Isn't that illegal? Like, copyright infringement or something?

I'm sorry for bringing him up, I am not trying to resurrect petty drama,  but I thought the community should know about this. It doesn't seem right for such a psychopath to be profiting off the hard work of former troika employees.

Source?

Well I also noticed he's also complaining about corporations and and publisher's only caring about money but since he's charging money for his "megamod" I guess that makes him a hypocrite.

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2011, 09:50:41 PM »
So according to Tessmage forums, Tesserra is charging 20 dollars (calling it a "donation) for people to download his vaguely described bloodlines "megamod". Isn't that illegal? Like, copyright infringement or something?

I'm sorry for bringing him up, I am not trying to resurrect petty drama,  but I thought the community should know about this. It doesn't seem right for such a psychopath to be profiting off the hard work of former troika employees.

Source?

Well I also noticed he's also complaining about corporations and and publisher's only caring about money but since he's charging money for his "megamod" I guess that makes him a hypocrite.

It's on his forum, you have to register an account on his forum to see it. It's not on his public forums. I made an account to see if I could find any other hi-res NON nude skins that maybe he was keeping away from the public, maybe similar to the hi-res npc pack he made a long time ago, but didn't find any. I don't post there, but I noticed a post he made saying that he can't afford his bandwidth and how he's really poor, and will let people download his "megamod" if they send him 20 dollars or more.
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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2011, 09:57:35 PM »
Here's a quote of his post:

"EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN UP -- BECAUSE THE FOLLOWING IS VERY IMPORTANT:

Now then, I had an idea regarding the VTMB Mega-Mod. Actually, it was originally my GF's idea ("Tessgirl"), and I initially blew it off as being something which could be misunderstood by some people. But just for the hell of it, I'll run it by you folks and then, you can tell me what you think about it.

The main reason that I am not offering the Mega-Mod to the general public is because I absolutely refuse to allow it to be hosted anywhere else. No, I can not stop people from pirating it and adding it to other web sites... but be that as it may, I will never "officially" sanction it being hosted anywhere other than on the tessmage.com server. Well, that leaves me with a very real and very unavoidable problem: I'm poor. The economy has been so shitty during the past few years that it cost me my business, my bank account, and just about every spare penny that I had. I'm not destitute... I do have a source of income these days... but it's very limited. I really am poor -- that's not a lie. Yet despite these hardships, I am still doing whatever I can to keep this web site up and running, mainly because every time that I've tried to shut it down, I was bombarded in e-mail with guilt trips, by disappointed folks who were sad to see our independent little site being shut down.

So if I wanted to offer the VTMB Mega-Mod to the general public... or at least, to every single registered Forum member... then it would no doubt lead to a crapload of downloads. Well, here's the problem: my Mega-Mod is currently in excess of a GIGABYTE in size. It's a monster... far larger than any other single VTMB mod on the planet. And it is only half finished..!!! Ultimately, I intend for this mod to evolve into a full-blown expansion pack for Bloodlines... complete with new quests, new NPC's, custom-built maps, new areas to explore, new scripted sequences... the works.

Can you imagine how much bandwidth will be consumed if hundreds or even thousands of people are all trying to download such an enormous mod package..? As the owner of this site, I have to lease my server from a wonderful company down in Florida. And like any other host, they charge me a certain amount of money each month, based upon how much server bandwidth we consume. We have a dedicated server for this web site... we are not using an el-cheapo shared hosting plan. And dedicated servers are much more expensive than shared hosts. Ten or twenty or even thirty times more expensive, in fact.

To accommodate all of that server traffic, I would need to upgrade our server contract substantially. And the fact of the matter is, I simply can not afford it on my own.

So I'll just run Tessgirl's idea past all of you... and then you can tell me what you think...

Veteran members of tessmage.com are already entitled to a free download of my Mega-Mod. That is not going to change and it is my way of thanking them for their loyalty over the years. But for everybody else, I have a practical alternative: if you donate some money to this web site, which will help me to pay for the extra bandwidth usage when you download the Mega-Mod, then I will send you a download link via private message.

So let's keep it honest and simple: donate $20 or more to our PayPal account, and you can get a copy of the Mega-Mod. Our PayPal account name is, not surprisingly: tessera@tessmage.com

That's it... that's the best I can do. So if any of you non-veterans want to download this mod, then I have just given you a way to do it. Donate some money to this web site and in return, I will thank you by making the VTMB Mega-Mod available to you. You would not be "buying" the Mega-Mod, you understand. I don't sell my mods to people and I never will, either. No, you would be showing good faith and fair play, by donating to a web site which is desperately in need of some additional funding. All donations will go directly towards paying for our server and also, for the extra bandwidth that will be consumed by your Mega-Mod downloads. And in return for your generosity, you would be sent a special thank you from yours truly, in the form of my VTMB Mega-Mod. And of course, you would also be entitled to all future updates to this mod.

If anyone would be interested in doing it this way, then contact me via PM and I will tell you what you need to do. Don't just run out right now and send me money on PayPal, because I would have no way of knowing who you are and who sent what and all of that crap. Let's keep it organized, so that everyone knows what everyone else is doing. And let's keep it private, so that nobody has to post their PayPal information publicly. That way, nobody will make any mistakes and hopefully, everyone will be happy.
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End of quote.

I don't understand why he doesn't just use a private torrent to distribute the mod or something like megaupload. I guess because he wants to make money off of it.

I hope this doesn't come off as an advertisement for his mod or something, because that's the last thing I want to do. If a mod wants to delete this, feel free. I won't be offended at all. I just figured if more people knew about it he could be pressured into stopping this money making scheme. Ultimately I just don't want him to profit over the hard work of now defunct troika.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2011, 10:06:12 PM by mr_homn »

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2011, 12:33:13 AM »
Tessera posted:

"Well, that leaves me with a very real and very unavoidable problem: I'm poor. The economy has been so shitty during the past few years that it cost me my business, my bank account, and just about every spare penny that I had. I'm not destitute... I do have a source of income these days... but it's very limited. I really am poor -- that's not a lie."

Interesting. When he threatened Valve to offer pirate Bloodlines versions from his site recently, he posted the following:
"As for the legality, I happen to be untouchable. I know that sounds like the sort of crappola that one usually hears from
teenagers with delusions of godhood... but in my case, it is actually a fact. I can't be sued, because all of my money is in the
hands of other people... and for a damned good reason."

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Ultimately, I intend for this mod to evolve into a full-blown expansion pack for Bloodlines... complete with new quests, new NPC's, custom-built maps, new areas to explore, new scripted sequences... the works.

I wonder how he plans to pull that off! As far as I know custom-built maps and new areas just can't be done and burgermeister should probably check the new quests and new NPC's out for accidental similarities ;).

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So let's keep it honest and simple: donate $20 or more to our PayPal account, and you can get a copy of the Mega-Mod. Our PayPal account name is, not surprisingly: tessera@tessmage.com

I don't think that this would be legal. His modwould include a lot of stuff that he doesn't hold the copyright to. Nobody cares as long as everything is a fan project only and free, but selling it?

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2011, 04:06:23 AM »
Watch his mod turns out to be crap. Also that his "financial struggle" is a hoax so people aren't encouraged to not mirror his mod. However when he's "finished" with his mega mod, I'd like to hear what other people on this site have to say about it.

The next mod I'm awaiting for is the resurgance/unreal engine mod(s). I'd like to see this game under a new engine source and see what modders can do with this.

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2011, 07:10:47 AM »
I normally try to stay out of drama, but I just have to say: what the fuck?

What could he possibly have in his mega mod that is taking up nearly a gig of disk space? Wesp, correct me if I'm wrong but the UP is only like 200MB or something, right? So, he goes on and on about how he detests all the the things that Wesp has 'added' over the years to the game, which has  for the most part consisted of resurrecting parts of the original VPKs that went unused. The only 'megamod' that I'm aware of is the package that I've worked hard to put together, allowing people to install several other peoples' mods simultaneously without blowing up the game. And let me also point out the fact that I've always been careful to give due credit where it's been due, when I've packaged up something that someone else has made, and I typically try to get those peoples' permissions first.

If he is packaging up something that sounds suspiciously familiar to my own mod, which also includes new content, quests, original skins, and is nearly 1GB in size, and then trying to rip off Troika, White Wolf, and the rest of this modding community, I swear to god, I will flip the fuck out.

And it wouldn't even be so bad if he hadn't explicitly denied me from including his high rez skins as part of the CQM 'package', giving him due credit, simply because he didn't want his work to lie beside Wesp's.


And besides, what the fuck. StrategyInformer and moddb will host enormous files at no cost to the modder. To say you will only host it on your own site, for any conceivable reason, is just retarded.

Drama.
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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2011, 09:16:12 AM »
If he is packaging up something that sounds suspiciously familiar to my own mod, which also includes new content, quests, original skins, and is nearly 1GB in size, and then trying to rip off Troika, White Wolf, and the rest of this modding community, I swear to god, I will flip the fuck out.

I think he is promising a lot of things he won't be able to deliver and I suspect it will end up being only new textures in the end, because this is the thing he is good at and textures take up a lot of space. Also his current patch is delivered with poor compression thus being already twice the size of mine.

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And it wouldn't even be so bad if he hadn't explicitly denied me from including his high rez skins as part of the CQM 'package', giving him due credit, simply because he didn't want his work to lie beside Wesp's.

I really hope he doesn't do any "borrowing" from you. Right now, most of his hot fixes are stuff fixed by the UP a long time ago and denied, until someone on his forum confirms them after which a fix "appears".

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2011, 04:53:04 AM »
I looked into it a bit more. It seems like he's going to make a genuine effort to make something his own, but we will see. If he rips me off, nay, if he rips any vampire modders off though, I will be super pissed.

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2011, 08:48:31 PM »
Well said burgermeister, I'd flip out if I were in the same position as you. As wesp pointed out, he made several promises without delivering. I say don't destroy your brain cells over his claim just yet until we "see" what he's been doing.

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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 10:59:02 AM »
He is that broke, he decides he may try make money from Bloodlines a dead and buried game with no viable market *Rolls Eyes*
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Re: Tesserra charging money for his "megamod"
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2011, 02:58:44 AM »
I think he is already breaking copyright with his current patch, because it includes some commercial mp3 music tracks.
I wasn't aware of this. Where did he include commercial tracks? What songs were they?

I think he is promising a lot of things he won't be able to deliver and I suspect it will end up being only new textures in the end, because this is the thing he is good at and textures take up a lot of space. Also his current patch is delivered with poor compression thus being already twice the size of mine.
Poor compression? Can you provide more explanation on this?

I really hope he doesn't do any "borrowing" from you. Right now, most of his hot fixes are stuff fixed by the UP a long time ago and denied, until someone on his forum confirms them after which a fix "appears".
Really? Like what?

Well said burgermeister, I'd flip out if I were in the same position as you. As wesp pointed out, he made several promises without delivering. I say don't destroy your brain cells over his claim just yet until we "see" what he's been doing.
What promises did he not deliver on?
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