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Title: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Claudia Vonigner on September 06, 2013, 05:26:53 pm
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Really. Really ? I mean, did any of you guys were consulted for this... nonsense ? No way in hell would Strauss claim princedom. EVER Oo
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 06, 2013, 07:34:55 pm
Who else was left who was in a position and had the inclination to assume the princedom? Therese/Jeanette/Velvet Velour would've been laughed out of office, Gary Golden was under suspicion of collaborating with the Giovanni, Bertram Tung doesn't give a damn, and Nines Rodriguez and Isaac Abrams are Anarchs.
So long as he doesn't get the same air of self-sacrificing noblesse oblige shit that the Ventrue do... I mean, that LaCroix did.

Though if you scroll down to the RARE CLANS (4 POINT MERIT) section, it looks like they're taking an official stand on just who the Samedi belong to...

I still wish I could go, but if I did my pocketbook would be regretting it for a long, looong time. I might've sprung for it anyway if they had had any rooms left on the Queen Mary herself. Then I at least could've saved money on not renting a car.
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Claudia Vonigner on September 06, 2013, 10:08:41 pm
I would have thought the Camarilla would have sent another puppet. But Strauss would have never accepted the job.
Plus, there are many other primogens. I'd think Isaac would have taken dominion over the whole city, and hence, it not being princedom...

Plus they consider Assamites as Camarilla clans. I think it's all BS. Plus, who the hell makes a conclave on a boat which is considered bad omen ?
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 07, 2013, 01:46:57 am
A small faction of a particular caste of Assamites applied for membership because it was either team up or die. Besides, the Camarilla claims all vampires as members whether they actually sign up or not.
Why wouldn't Strauss take the job? He seemed perfectly happy sitting in LaCroix's chair at the end of the Camarilla-aligned ending of Bloodlines. Better to have somebody who is already there and has relationships (good or bad) with vampires of the city than to throw in The Devil You Don't Know. Isn't that exactly what they did with LaCroix? And look how that turned out.
Isaac Abrams wants to play in Hollywood. I don't think he gives a damn about the rest of Los Angeles. Gary's under suspicion (and, let's be honest here, he's Nosferatu), Grout's dead, and I don't think we ever met any of the other primogen.

Having a Conclave on the Queen Mary isn't so bad. They've had Elysia held in art galleries and museums and aquariums. Basically anywhere that has a little culture and history is a perfect place for Elysium. The Queen Mary just so happens to be perfect because it's vaguely supernatural already. Plus, the weekend of the Conclave, there's going to be a vampire RPG convention, so all the Kindred will blend in perfectly.  :justabite:
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Nigama on September 07, 2013, 03:52:21 am
Strauss as Prince of LA seems pretty likely to me.

Nigama
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Malkav on September 07, 2013, 08:56:28 am
A small faction of a particular caste of Assamites applied for membership because it was either team up or die. Besides, the Camarilla claims all vampires of members whether they actually sign up or not.
Why wouldn't Strauss take the job? He seemed perfectly happy sitting in LaCroix's chair at the end of the Camarilla-aligned ending of Bloodlines. Better to have somebody who is already there and has relationships (good or bad) with vampires of the city than to throw in The Devil You Don't Know. Isn't that exactly what they did with LaCroix? And look how that turned out.
I don't think Strauss will accept the title unless he's got direct orders from Vienna. To me he seems to be more the "grey emminence" type. If the shithouse hits the fan, it's the sultan's head that gets cut off, not the grand vizier's, and Max surely likes his head on his shoulders instead of in the dirt. And with all the recent trouble there is a good chance for things to get completely out of hand. :shitfan:
And even from the point of view of the Camarilla, Strauss is a bad choice. He made it more than certain that for him the Tremere interests get precedence over the Cam.
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Isaac Abrams wants to play in Hollywood. I don't think he gives a damn about the rest of Los Angeles. Gary's under suspicion (and, let's be honest here, he's Nosferatu), Grout's dead, and I don't think we ever met any of the other primogen.
I agree here. Isaak isn't interested in extending his domain. He might accept a leading role in a sect independent kindred alliance to drive out the Kuey Jin, but apart from that, I don't think he cares shit what happens outside his barony.
Gary is too young, even by american standards, to be considered for princedom. And he'd never give up his freedom as leader of the local Nosferatu, and a kind of "LA underworld baron". If he were the prince, he'd have to quit selling information to anybody.

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Having a Conclave on the Queen Mary isn't so bad. They've had Elysia held in art galleries and museums and aquariums. Basically anywhere that has a little culture and history is a perfect place for Elysium. The Queen Mary just so happens to be perfect because it's vaguely supernatural already. Plus, the weekend of the Conclave, there's going to be a vampire RPG convention, so all the Kindred will blend in perfectly.  :justabite:
Good point. Even the Nosferatu will only get comments about their good masks, and be asked if they really had to add the sewer stink to their costume. :puke:
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 08, 2013, 12:28:53 am
To me he seems to be more the "grey emminence" type. If the shithouse hits the fan, it's the sultan's head that gets cut off, not the grand vizier's, and Max surely likes his head on his shoulders instead of in the dirt. And with all the recent trouble there is a good chance for things to get completely out of hand. :shitfan:
But who is in a better position to make sure that 1) things do not get out of hand, or to 2) contain the situation if they do, if not the Prince? This is probably exactly the reason he's called a Conclave. As a Tremere, Strauss has to be interested in control, and with the lack of any other viable candidate in the local area (who knows the situation and all its consequences), I bet he did get orders direct from Vienna to stay and handle the situation. And once he's Prince... well, I've only ever heard of one single Prince who retired... and that was because the Sabbat took over his city.
Strauss probably has oodles of spare time, what with only one or two apprentices (including the player-character), and I don't think the Pyramid is opposed to having Tremere Princes so much as opposed to having Tremere Princes who favor politics over magic. I doubt Strauss is that kind of Tremere... but we know he DOES regularly attend Elysium and meetings with LaCroix. It seems to me that maneuvering himself into a position to become Prince (if he did actually do such a thing) is a pretty good recommendation for the title.

I just hope they have some people acting as canonical characters there, like Archon Theo Bell or Karsh, Warlord of the Camarilla. I'd go as either of those if I looked anything like either. If anybody is going, TAKE PICTURES AND SHARE THEM. So the rest of us can enjoy the festivities vicariously, at least.
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Claudia Vonigner on September 08, 2013, 12:28:43 pm
He just attends because he's the primogen as well, and hence, has o defend his clan's interests in court...

I think it's a huge mistake to have him claim princedom. Even in the Camarilla Good Ending, Strauss makes sure he's not Prince. He wants and has power, but not the title. As Malkav explained, basically.

I do think they should have consulted modders and patchers of the game about this, as we've thought about the whole Bloodlines setting far deeper than most Troika guys out there...
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 08, 2013, 05:07:40 pm
I kind of doubt that people from Troika had much say in LABN and Blood and Betrayal. I think the company has gone out of business, for one, and RPG events like this are White Wolf/CCP/Mind's Eye Studios' responsibility.

Since when have either the Camrilla or the Pyramid been concerned with what their tools WANTED to do?
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Malkav on September 08, 2013, 07:08:11 pm
...Having a Conclave on the Queen Mary isn't so bad. They've had Elysia held in art galleries and museums and aquariums. Basically anywhere that has a little culture and history is a perfect place for Elysium. The Queen Mary just so happens to be perfect because it's vaguely supernatural already. Plus, the weekend of the Conclave, there's going to be a vampire RPG convention, so all the Kindred will blend in perfectly.  :justabite:
On second thought, the RPG con has probably been planned by the Camarilla as cover for the Conclave. :chinscratch:
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Claudia Vonigner on September 08, 2013, 09:47:12 pm
Yeah, but the choice of the place, described as this :

Sometimes called the “Grey Ghost,” it is said that old feuds never really die aboard the ship; they merely slumber restlessly until the call of opportunity awakens them. Kindred legend also speaks of a curse on the ship.


Is really what makes me think "why the hell did they choose that place to hold the conclave, then ?!" It's just plain dumb...
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 09, 2013, 02:03:33 am
Well, the Followers of Set and Giovanni appear to be having a co-Conclave at the same time belowdecks (what a coincidence...). Maybe they had something to do with the selection of place.
Besides, if a Tremere is calling the Conclave, and a Tremere is selecting the location, why not select somewhere more on the occult side of culture?
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Malkav on September 09, 2013, 07:00:31 am
Maybe Vienna has decided it's in their interest to reawaken some old feuds. Or Max has switched sides, and secretly works for the Sabbat.
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 09, 2013, 07:36:24 am
Wouldn't be the first time. I point you to Clannovel: Brujah.
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Wesp5 on September 09, 2013, 09:49:27 am
Even in the Camarilla Good Ending, Strauss makes sure he's not Prince.

How do you know that? He appears sitting in LaCroixs chair, which in my eyes is symbol enough that he would take the role of Prince if needed. Also on another note, what is this conclave? Some kind of LARP con event?
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 10, 2013, 12:53:01 am
It's the backstory for Blood and Betrayal, the LARP being run by By Night Studios in honor of their new edition of Mind's Eye Theater Presents Vampire: The Masquerade. Apparently they're also stealing from Bloodlines.
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Radical21 on September 10, 2013, 08:05:39 am
Strauss wouldn't assume leadership, he is better served by placing a proxy on the throne and keep his influence hidden.
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Claudia Vonigner on September 10, 2013, 08:21:12 am
Strauss wouldn't assume leadership, he is better served by placing a proxy on the throne and keep his influence hidden.

Exactly which is why no one, nor the Tremere, nor the Camarilla, nor Strauss, nor the city would want Strauss as a Prince
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Nigama on September 11, 2013, 05:01:29 pm
We all know Jack runs L.A.   Haven't you guys heard?  Cam and Sabbat ain't welcome in the Anarch Free State!

Nigama
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Malkav on September 11, 2013, 07:35:18 pm
Jack doesn't run anything. He only makes sure nobody else does either.
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Nigama on September 12, 2013, 06:22:38 am
Jack doesn't run anything. He only makes sure nobody else does either.

Same thing, just a different style of rule.   :vampwink:

Nigama
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 12, 2013, 10:29:10 am
"Sounds like you're Prince of the Anarchs..."

"No such thing... and again, don't go throwing words like that around unless you're looking for a fight."
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Nigama on September 12, 2013, 08:45:05 pm
I'm always looking for a fight.   :haw:

Nigama
Title: Re: Maximillian Strauss, Prince of Los Angeles, will host the conclave...
Post by: Rick Gentle on September 12, 2013, 08:58:26 pm
In that case, go check out our Takamura Saburo thread.    :cometome:
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