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Offline Signothorn

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2011, 03:25:32 AM »
We hope to get a nice sized fan base going here, and if we go viral, i am going to try and get some support by get sponsors. So thank you everyone for your honest opinions and the loyalty that remains to VTM.  :)

You can always add us on our youtube page.

Ash

I'd just say be careful not to follow WW's concepts too closely if you intend on making any money (without licensing) from it or they'll shut you down real quick.

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2011, 06:18:14 PM »
I like the idea of making a small independant production on youtube, some of them turn into a success like The Guild, Legend of Neil or Ask A Ninja which proves that alot can be done even with almost no budget but its tons of work.

Some constructive criticism that I debated if I actually want to write but ill write it anyway:
The Trailers could use some work as far as the length of the cuts go even if you use something as simple as still image and text they trail too long where the pace is reduced to a crawl while there is nothing moving on the screen to stimulate the viewer.

I'm curious about the production itself, will you be using Green/Blue screen with compositing or 3d? nowdays even though its alot of work it can be done at very little budget thanks to open source programs like Blender or CineFX(www.blender.org http://www.cinefx.org/). Personally I usually use After Effects(commercial) for Compositing but I have heard Blender can also be used as Video Node based Compositor to do some pretty cool stuff.


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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2011, 07:14:15 PM »
We actually might make the Tremere clan in the show, we do have the software for professional magic effects.  Also we will do most day shooting, now since there are applications that can give the illusion of nighttime. Gotta love that hollywood magic!!

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2011, 07:25:07 PM »
Cutting DFN is very tricky though- contrast ratios can get wonky very quickly, plus shadows become a big issue, requiring sun muters.

Anyway, best of luck- there are some good comments on here, worth thinking about.
My one cautionary word would be: Make sure you've got the production quality up before you get started, All of the independent projects that get by on their kitsch (like ask a ninja, the guild, etc) get by on their humor. Selling the gothic-punk atmosphere and keeping it serious is going to be MASSIVELY difficult.

I've shot 2 VTM series pilots myself, with the intention of pitching a series based on the Clan Novel series (Fall of Atlanta) sinking about 4.5 grand into it, and so far have not come out with anything I'm happy with. Trust me, it's WAY harder than you initially think.
Good actors are an ABSOLUTE must. Overly moody= Tw!light. Underacted= Boring.

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2011, 09:37:29 PM »
To some of the comments posted.
We are using After Effects for the series- We are currently situating what effects we will be using for the series
I do understand how hard it is to make something based off VTM. I believe in myself and my actors go, mainly this is a project for fun. I know alot of criticism will be given, but hey, everyone has theyre own opinion ya know? :)
Were all fans of VTM and we all really want to put alot of hard work into this and just have fun.

I personally am not using a budget, I have my own equipment and I know my way around a camera and editing, My boyfriend is a mastermind at effects and such.
We do have some great newb actors working in this.

All in all, I hope it comes out well, if not, then hey, we had fun with it and hopefully gave some entertainment:)

The trailers were my first made, not really intended for public knowledge, but it was still posted, mainly just a teaser, we will however be making a live action trailer in march or april.

Thanks again to those who have posted. I appreciate the comments and constructive help.

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2011, 09:47:05 PM »
Let me know if you need a sound Designer or a composer, I'd be happy to lend my skills to the effort.

Best of luck!

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2011, 10:02:53 PM »
I've shot 2 VTM series pilots myself, with the intention of pitching a series based on the Clan Novel series (Fall of Atlanta) sinking about 4.5 grand into it, and so far have not come out with anything I'm happy with.

Any chance to see these?

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 10:07:11 PM »
Haha, if they ever get off the cutting room floor, sure. (Figuratively speaking)

I've got about 16 hours of footage I still have to get through, but I could always throw a trailer together or something for you guys.
They're not posted yet, and they were all shot DFN, sooooo currently the vamps are walking around in the day ;) A little cheesy looking.

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2011, 01:26:54 AM »
They're sharing their teaser as a work in progress, and I showed a 70% version of my Fear Factory cover.  Bust out a little of what you have, and share!
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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2011, 01:40:25 AM »
Alright alright ;) I'll cut something together on the weekend.

And no, It won't have "Bring me to life" as the soundtrack. Lol.

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2011, 04:29:37 AM »
Doesn't all have to be DFN you know

This project I participated in was done solely in a blue screen studio and composited later and sets created using layers of Still frames and abit of 3d to create and all the actors are live action. Much of the film Noir lightning was done using color correction and fake lightning on top of the already exsisting lightning.(see Making of).

It doesn't look especially real but it creates the mood

so you can use a similar technique to Avoid having to deal with :
-turning day into night
-Dependance on different light tempretures during different time of the day when filming which can really fuck up continuity.
-Having to construct sets in multiple locations which can be a pain especially if you have to rig and dismantle tracks for Dolly Cranes or moving grips.





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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2011, 04:33:14 AM »
Holy shit--- robert de niro????

What role did you have on this film?

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2011, 04:40:54 AM »
The trailer was more of a spoof(A Project in colaboration between the Animation and Film Departments at our college) so robert de niro's appearce was more of a joke on part of the director, the whole thing was meant to be a sort of Film Noir cliche, and its not a commercial project so I don't think he will sue them  :razz:.

Anyway on my part I dont mind if the set doesn't look as realstic, only that it sets the right Atmosphere and theme to fit the enviroment and that there is good acting to support it.
Many Sci-fi productions make use of Matte-paintings and some australian low budget sci fi still manages to be successful even with poor visual effects (Spellbinder for example :P)
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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2011, 06:30:39 PM »
I actually really liked the trailer for Chesire. I mean it reminds me so much of SIN CITY, very nice indeed, I know ours will NOT look anywhere near as good, since we are noobs at creating. But as I said, mainly for fun. But if it gets somewhere, then maybe I can get sponsorship to get the really good equipment. I will be doing green screen, which is a marvelous thing these days. 

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Re: Kindred: The Darkest Nights
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2011, 02:32:25 AM »
Dear Rad,

Stop thread jacking.

New threads are free.
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