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Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines => Bloodlines Modding => Topic started by: Zer0Morph on November 28, 2010, 08:07:13 PM

Title: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on November 28, 2010, 08:07:13 PM
I was playing around today with the textures of NPC bodies and noticed that some of the NPCs that have logos on their clothing, like Fat Larry had some pretty blurry graphics. I thought to myself, I wonder if I doubled the resolution of the graphic file and reapplied the logos, would it be rendered in the game as a better quality graphic? Well here's the results, I was really surprised how much better they looked and I wonder if this could be applied to all NPC body graphics... or even better to the other graphics like signs and bricks too.


1024x512 Resolution (Bloodlines Default)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2bxfzp.jpg)

Increased to 2048x1024 (The graphic was double in size but clearly worth it. I bet we could even take this resolution higher)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2we07j8.jpg)
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Mv.c9 on November 28, 2010, 09:27:31 PM
wow amazing, keep up the good work, your always so good with the graphics.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on November 29, 2010, 04:05:56 AM
Thanks Mv.c9. I just thought I'd bring this to the communities attention in case anyone wanted to tackle making higher resolution textures.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Mv.c9 on November 29, 2010, 08:24:13 AM
i would really love to do that, but wont the size suffer ? i mean editing textures is quite size fattening. we dont want to end up with like 1GB mod right ? its hard to download. how is it affecting the size zero ?
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on November 29, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
So far it seems that doubling the texture resolution doubles the size of the file. Fortunately the textures are still compressed so they are still under 1MB in size. For Larry's shirt, it was originally around 350KB and after I doubled the resolution it went to around 700KB. I don't think a higher resolution texture mod would really be that big, considering what you're getting in return.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Wesp5 on November 29, 2010, 02:44:54 PM
So far it seems that doubling the texture resolution doubles the size of the file.

What files are we talking about here? Are the logos seperate files from the main character textures and how did you double their resolution if it wasn't already provided higher? About how many files are we talking here? This could become an Unofficial Patch feature if only original Troika textures are used...
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: cadmiumcadamium on November 29, 2010, 05:49:31 PM
My question would be, how does it affect things like graphic memory and RAM? Im unfortionetly a little short with this piece of junk (my computer that is) and i have realized that playing with some mods (CQM with all extra installs) have made the game run slower that the fresh install.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: misato on November 29, 2010, 06:29:18 PM
that could be very nice, but I'm a little affraid of the impact on performance though. but most textures in the game could definitely use a little "power up".
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: burgermeister01 on November 30, 2010, 07:01:04 AM
Neat!
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on November 30, 2010, 07:57:11 PM

What files are we talking about here? Are the logos seperate files from the main character textures and how did you double their resolution if it wasn't already provided higher? About how many files are we talking here? This could become an Unofficial Patch feature if only original Troika textures are used...

No, the logos on the shirt were part of the shirt, not seperate graphic files. In order to make the resolution higher I had to find a higher resolution picture of the NBA Logo and the Champion Logo. I then doubled the resolution of the picture then applied the new logos. Saved those changes and put them in the game.

As far as performance is concerned, I only tried this with Fat Larry's skin, nothing else, though I wouldn't imagine the higher resolution textures/skins loading the game down by much if at all., especially with today's computers.

Doing this with Brick walls, mortor, windows, doors, ceilings, floors, rugs, streets, etc... could be REALLY cool if done right. You could esentially remake the entire "look" of the game using high rez textures. A total makeover if you will. (Something I may do after TFN is finished).
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Wesp5 on November 30, 2010, 09:34:38 PM
No, the logos on the shirt were part of the shirt, not seperate graphic files.

Strange! I just checked this out and Fat Larry doesn't have any logos on his shirt in my game and his body texture hasn't got them either. Were you using a texture mod already when you discovered this?
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: burgermeister01 on November 30, 2010, 10:11:07 PM
I was going to suggest maybe it was a German version type deal, but the more I think about it, I can't recall having seen those logos before either. I use the Steam version of the game. I wonder if that makes any difference. What are you guys using, Wesp, Zer0?
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on December 01, 2010, 03:22:03 AM
So sorry for the confusion. The texture used was one someone modded a long time ago for Fat Larry, it's an old texture that I've been using since CE 1.0. Don't worry, you guys aren't going crazy. I just thought it would be a good example of how something like this could be applied to a texture, nothing more. But I'm sure you get the jist on how something like this could be beneficial to the game as a whole.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: misato on December 01, 2010, 01:27:07 PM
I think the best places to apply a higher-rez texture would be on walls where there's poster and such, with things written on it. right now, when you're focusing on it (like when you enter in the asylum), it's getting blurred and it looks crappy.

but it's also a fine line with the look and feel of the game, that's so loveable, even after all this time.

I know, right now, performance wouldn't be an issue, but maybe some people continue to play with old PC from the time the game was released, and if texture size are doubled, the game could use up to four time more memory, at least in the graphic card (which needs to store uncompressed textures somewhere before calculating display)

but even so, it would be a nice touch of fresh.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Semaphore on December 11, 2010, 08:38:51 AM
Quick question. What settings should be used saving the dds from Photoshop? I've been trying to change the calendar dates in Warrens 1 and 3, and have extracted the tth and ttz for warr_01_calender and warr_03_calender, but once I edit and convert back to ttz, nothing actually changes in game.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Wesp5 on December 11, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
I've been trying to change the calendar dates in Warrens 1 and 3...

Is something wrong with these dates?
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Semaphore on December 11, 2010, 09:10:19 PM
I've been trying to change the calendar dates in Warrens 1 and 3...

Is something wrong with these dates?
I'm trying to make them match up with the unmodified ledgers. I believe the unofficial patch does this by changing the year in the ledger texts, but the months don't match the calender. The 1957 ledger (in the 1972 room) matches both the month and year on the calender in the room with the 1919 ledger. It looks like there used to be a third, 1919, office, and a 1972 ledger. I was trying to replace the 1972 calender with the 1957 calender texture, and replace the original 1957 calender texture with a custom 1919 calender.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Acleacius on December 13, 2010, 05:29:31 PM
Zer0Morph these look great, please keep up the good work.  :vampsmile:

It doesn't matter how big it gets the people who can use it will, PCs get faster all the time  and in two years someone can buy a super computer of today for $200, in 3 years $150.

It would be an amazing project for the community and game! :drink:
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on December 14, 2010, 03:19:27 AM
Zer0Morph these look great, please keep up the good work.  :vampsmile:

It doesn't matter how big it gets the people who can use it will, PCs get faster all the time  and in two years someone can buy a super computer of today for $200, in 3 years $150.

It would be an amazing project for the community and game! :drink:

That's kind've what I was thinking too. Who cares how big the game is, it's going to look great. Now we just someone to step up and do it, lol.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: MooCHa on December 14, 2010, 10:36:40 PM
Who cares if a small majority dont like the idea. I nominate you to do it Zero  :thanku:

Only other Modder that I remember bothering with high res was Tessera years back.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: YamiRaziel on December 15, 2010, 12:59:04 AM
Higher textures will definitely bring a lot to the game! Good job, Zero :)
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on December 15, 2010, 01:11:11 PM
Me do it? ACK why does it always have to be me who does it, lol. Actually after I release TFN I think I'll be looking for the back door, I'm getting pretty burnt out on modding this game and wouldn't mind just "playing" a game for awhile. 2011 has some pretty awesome looking games coming out like Deus Ex and The Old Republic MMO. I'd like to try both of those out.

I was hoping this post would spark someone's imagination and they would take up the torch for awhile, lol.
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Warduke on December 18, 2010, 10:43:51 PM
Well, I have not been active for years on the VTMB scene.. but if I remember right someone was planning on reskinning the environment of the whole game.. I have no idea who it was or if it was ever done.  I decided to get back into the game just recently.  I have seen some amazing posts / projects and other things.  Kudos to all the modders and community members for keeping this one of a kind AMAZING game going!

Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: SoniMax on December 19, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
Well, I have not been active for years on the VTMB scene.. but if I remember right someone was planning on reskinning the environment of the whole game.. I have no idea who it was or if it was ever done.  I decided to get back into the game just recently.  I have seen some amazing posts / projects and other things.  Kudos to all the modders and community members for keeping this one of a kind AMAZING game going!
http://www.moddb.com/mods/bloodlines-revival (http://www.moddb.com/mods/bloodlines-revival)
http://forum.bloodlinesresurgence.com/ (http://forum.bloodlinesresurgence.com/)
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Warduke on December 20, 2010, 01:04:56 AM
Well, I have not been active for years on the VTMB scene.. but if I remember right someone was planning on reskinning the environment of the whole game.. I have no idea who it was or if it was ever done.  I decided to get back into the game just recently.  I have seen some amazing posts / projects and other things.  Kudos to all the modders and community members for keeping this one of a kind AMAZING game going!
http://www.moddb.com/mods/bloodlines-revival (http://www.moddb.com/mods/bloodlines-revival)
http://forum.bloodlinesresurgence.com/ (http://forum.bloodlinesresurgence.com/)

Awesome!  thanks for the link, bookmarked them. 
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Acleacius on December 20, 2010, 01:15:06 AM
Zer0Morph you defiantly deserve a break for all the excellent work, here's hope you are compelled to return!   :cometome:
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: Zer0Morph on December 20, 2010, 01:31:58 AM
Zer0Morph you defiantly deserve a break for all the excellent work, here's hope you are compelled to return!   :cometome:

Thanks Acleacius!  I'm really tieing things up nicely with TFN, I don't predict waiting much longer. :)
Title: Re: Increasing Texture Resolutions
Post by: chriseggroll on December 23, 2010, 04:27:40 AM
Here's some good examples of some hi-res mods: 

https://www.planetvampire.com/modules/files/view.php?id=628 (https://www.planetvampire.com/modules/files/view.php?id=628)

https://www.planetvampire.com/modules/files/view.php?id=626 (https://www.planetvampire.com/modules/files/view.php?id=626)

i'd love to see some more h-res mods for other npcs or locales.  the resurgence project looks nice but doing hi-res reskins is much easier compared to what's going into that mod ;)
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