Hey all update 9/21/13, plus I noticed Tessera is livid (again)!

[Malkyjeff]

Has he even released any content? He claims how he was screwed by team camerilla.

[MooCHa]

TBH,  I'd hire Tess.
I might speak my mind in regards to that guy but don't paint the guy as all Evil...

Its not his work in my eyes just sometimes I don;t agree with him.

[MooCHa]

edit talking to myself again lol

[MooCHa]

^^

[mr_homn]

Why are you triple posting and responding to yourself?

[MooCHa]

Why are you triple posting and responding to yourself?

A sign that I was drunk :)

[Nigama]

So because my last response before was facetious, I actually went over there and read the insults and breakdown of their complaints about Wesp.  I must say at several points they started to convince me that Wesp had radically changed the game (that seems to be their focus, that his work is not a "Patch" but a "Mod," even the non-plus Patch). 

But the truth is, before I ever patched V:tM: Bloodlines, I played it through with every character, multiple times on *Vanilla*.  So I know exactly what the game was that Troika put out, bugs and all.  And honestly, I've never actually played the Basic Patch.  Instead, I went straight to the Plus Patch, and I have to tell you, while I understand that some things in the Plus Patch weren't part of the original game, I don't even feel like the Plus Patch goes outside of the vision the creators intended.  It just enhances the game more.  I guess purists will be purists, but I think the UP+ makes the game a hundred times more awesome and if for some reason you don't like more awesome, you can just do the regular Unofficial Patch.

And then I was looking at the newer stuff TM has added and it's just gratuitous sex.  I mean, yeah, I like sex in my WoD, thanks very much, but I don't need every street sign to be porn.  And also he seems to expect Wesp to give him highly detailed documentation of every change Wesp makes dating back to original fixes of the first versions of the UP, which is silly since mod communities aren't businesses but (often lone) fans who do their modding because of the love they have for the games they work on.

So, basically, you can defend this guy if you want to, but he just seems like a whiny little, egotistical, attention grubbing bitch.  I'm sorry to say he and I live in the same city, but he does not represent the best of what we have to offer.  From his bluster and arrogance he'd be better off up in Boston. 

Anyway, that's my two cents.  Seems like the best I can do is ignore his presence entirely, like I was doing before I saw this thread.  No need for drama, the world is big enough for both patches/mods.


Nigama

[Wesp5]

I must say at several points they started to convince me that Wesp had radically changed the game (that seems to be their focus, that his work is not a "Patch" but a "Mod," even the non-plus Patch).

Just to clear that up a bit, quite often in these threads they misinterpret my patch notes or don't get the reasoning behind changes, which most times appear more logical if you actually know why I did it.

Instead, I went straight to the Plus Patch, and I have to tell you, while I understand that some things in the Plus Patch weren't part of the original game, I don't even feel like the Plus Patch goes outside of the vision the creators intended.  It just enhances the game more.

That is exactly my intention! I know that adding the cut library level or the Sabbat ending moves the plus patch deep into mod territory, but still these are all things that Troika planned to include at one time or another. If I had known the whole fighting over words like patch or mod I would have called the plus patch a Restoration Project because this is what it has become :)!

And also he seems to expect Wesp to give him highly detailed documentation of every change Wesp makes dating back to original fixes of the first versions of the UP...

That may well be so they can easier integrate these fixes into their own patch ;)...

[Radical21]

Anyway, that's my two cents.  Seems like the best I can do is ignore his presence entirely, like I was doing before I saw this thread.  No need for drama, the world is big enough for both patches/mods.


Nigama

And you guys are sure he isn't Tessera himself, it seems very like him to start something like that just to remind everyone of his existence.

[Wesp5]

And you guys are sure he isn't Tessera himself, it seems very like him to start something like that just to remind everyone of his existence.

If you mean MooCha, no, he is real and one of the best Bloodlines modelers around! He helped me a lot with my patch, but  he loves to play devils advocate :).

[MooCHa]

And you guys are sure he isn't Tessera himself, it seems very like him to start something like that just to remind everyone of his existence.

If you mean MooCha, no, he is real and one of the best Bloodlines modelers around! He helped me a lot with my patch, but  he loves to play devils advocate :).

I'd think he is referring to the topic starter Wesp, not me. I do like to play a little devils advocate hehe and Thanks for compliment.

[Drathian]

  If I'm terressa put me down for all our well beings lol    Seriously, though I was just updating the various patches related to vtmb and noticed that rant, may you'll forgive me for bringing this up.  You may close it if a mod wants too.

[Nigama]

I would, but I'm for free expression as long as it doesn't break our ToS.       (We have a ToS, right?)      

Nigama
 

[Malkav]

If I'm terressa put me down for all our well beings lol    Seriously, though I was just updating the various patches related to vtmb and noticed that rant, may you'll forgive me for bringing this up.  You may close it if a mod wants too.

Yep, accusing you of being Tes was the best post of the whole topic.
Though I'm still not too happy with some of the changes you made to CE in your compilation, I have learned quite a bit about python scripting from looking into your code, and for that I'm grateful.
And I agree, this topic has outlived its usefulness. We all know Tessera, so why waste words on a lost cause?