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Title: Zombie attack!
Post by: _username on April 17, 2011, 07:48:00 AM
Today I did the cemetary zombie fest in UOP 7.3 using an Infernal Tremere with Blood Boil.  Due to Histories and other reasons, I've never before had Thaum 5 at that point in the game.  I was surprised at how effective it was, even without the Pearl or particularly good Ranged skills.  Blood Boil has a stupid long range that lets you blow up half the zombies on a gate, long before you get into effective range with a firearm.  The ones that survive the initial blast will usually go down with one or two rounds from the Mac 10 (head shot not required).

Have you guys come across other unusual ways of doing that quest with other low XP characters?
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Porphyria on April 17, 2011, 10:45:40 PM
Excuse me? What cemetery zombie fest? The only there in there is Romero and his shack I thought.......I completely missed that...how?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 17, 2011, 11:59:31 PM
You missed it because it's a bitch of a quest to do without broken Disciplines. Even with the flamethrower (if you go through Hallowbrook and have never spoken with Romero before), it's a total and absolute monkey of a quest to solve properly. You're better off sleeping with the guy or finding him a piece to tap. Same rewards, MUCH less aggravation.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Nanaloma on April 18, 2011, 12:40:50 AM
You missed it because it's a bitch of a quest to do without broken Disciplines. Even with the flamethrower (if you go through Hallowbrook and have never spoken with Romero before), it's a total and absolute monkey of a quest to solve properly. You're better off sleeping with the guy or finding him a piece to tap. Same rewards, MUCH less aggravation.

I'm contradicting my past posts here but, it is easy with celerity.  Just have to keep running from gate to gate with staying too long at one or the other.  Otherwise, I make him stay and do his own job :). 

As per the original line, I tried finding vantage points to shoot with the Romero rifle (or even the ever handy Anaconda) but couldn't find any where both gates were visible.  Just curious, blood boil is powerful but takes a lot of blood and doesn't do a whole lot of periphery damage.  Did you try the lower one (can't remember what it is called) that damages everyone in range (kills all humans in a room, etc with one use)?  I've never been that far developed to test it at that point in the game (don't use histories). 
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Draco Alivi on April 18, 2011, 12:50:39 AM
You missed it because it's a bitch of a quest to do without broken Disciplines. Even with the flamethrower (if you go through Hallowbrook and have never spoken with Romero before), it's a total and absolute monkey of a quest to solve properly. You're better off sleeping with the guy or finding him a piece to tap. Same rewards, MUCH less aggravation.

I'm contradicting my past posts here but, it is easy with celerity.  Just have to keep running from gate to gate with staying too long at one or the other.  Otherwise, I make him stay and do his own job :). 

As per the original line, I tried finding vantage points to shoot with the Romero rifle (or even the ever handy Anaconda) but couldn't find any where both gates were visible.  Just curious, blood boil is powerful but takes a lot of blood and doesn't do a whole lot of periphery damage.  Did you try the lower one (can't remember what it is called) that damages everyone in range (kills all humans in a room, etc with one use)?  I've never been that far developed to test it at that point in the game (don't use histories).

That's the Blood Salvo, but it doesn't make enough damage to make it a viable choice, in my opinion. As Rick said, the best choice is sleeping with him (If you're a female), or getting him a hooker. And about combat; using high level Celerity is probably the only relatively safe option, since there's a lot of enemies and the two gates are pretty far.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Porphyria on April 18, 2011, 04:39:22 AM
Ohhhh ok. I didn't even get that dialog choice when I met up with Romero. Kinda glad I didn't. It's way easier to bring him a hooker or have fun yourself. That's what I did.   :razz:  I misunderstood and thought it was a totally seperate quest.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 18, 2011, 04:46:51 AM
In the vanilla game, if you're a guy, you have to refuse to watch the graveyard before he gives you the option of finding a hooker for him. If you're female, he'll come onto you before offering the quest, and you have to refuse the "couchilympics" to get to the zombie quest.
"Is there another way I can help?"
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: PGM1961 on April 18, 2011, 05:54:22 AM
I am an XP whore, so I usually take the zombie quest for XP and a firearms boost, and then come back afterwards and ask him how things are going.  This leads to a dialogue choice asking him if there's anything else you can do for him, and then you can get him the hooker for XP and some cash.

The zombie quest is possible without Celerity, but it's a bitch.  You have to run back and forth between gates constantly, and ignore all the zombies on the way.  It make may take one or two tries to succeed.

As per the original line, I tried finding vantage points to shoot with the Romero rifle (or even the ever handy Anaconda) but couldn't find any where both gates were visible. 

At the corner where you make the turn, you can hop up on a gravestone and from there onto the wall, with a view of both gates.  I tried this a couple of times, but still never succeeded.  For me, only Melee works.  I think you'd have to have your Firearms really high to pull this off.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: _username on April 18, 2011, 05:54:41 AM
I almost always opt to kill the zombies, even if I have a character with high social skills.  That route requires a lot more creativity than simply blowing the guy or bringing somebody else back to blow him.

EDIT: this time around, I pulled it off with no celerity, Ranged 5 and Thaum 5.  It took 2 elder blood packs and 3 normal blood packs in order to sustain the frequent use of Blood Boil.  My main weaon was the Mac 10...mostly to keep it challenging.  It took about 6 tries before I succeeded.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Malkav on April 18, 2011, 07:34:04 AM
I hate that zombie quest. I have tried dozends of times, and only succeded once with a high celerity character. So I say f... the xp, and bring him a working girl. If I play a female character I'd do it myself, but that also removes the chance to learn shooting.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Wesp5 on April 18, 2011, 09:05:11 AM
I am an XP whore, so I usually take the zombie quest for XP and a firearms boost, and then come back afterwards and ask him how things are going.  This leads to a dialogue choice asking him if there's anything else you can do for him, and then you can get him the hooker for XP and some cash.

One should be aware that this is a feature of the UP plus only ;)...
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: PGM1961 on April 18, 2011, 10:43:02 AM
One should be aware that this is a feature of the UP plus only ;)...

I didn't know that.  I've done it in Camarilla Edition too, but that's built on the UP, so I guess that makes sense.

I played the vanilla version so many times in the years following its release, that I have no desire to play the basic patch on UP - especially now that you removed a lot of restored content.  If I play Bloodlines now, I want something new.  (Ahem... but not Comp Mod.  Sorry if you're a fan, but I'll pass.)
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Wesp5 on April 18, 2011, 02:55:27 PM
I didn't know that.  I've done it in Camarilla Edition too, but that's built on the UP, so I guess that makes sense.

It's kind of an restoration, because there was some unused dialogue of Romero from obviously after his quest, but he never reappeared in the original game. I fixed that and then it occured to me he might still be unsatisfied in the plus version ;).
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Porphyria on April 18, 2011, 06:48:23 PM
I always thought Romero has a certain charm and I like helping him out lol The zombie quest i would fail and it would make me cry, no doubt.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: PGM1961 on April 18, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
It's frustrating.  I remember the first time I played the game I tried to kill the zombies and failed, so I said screw it, and just found him a hooker.  I didn't try the zombie quest again until recently (year or so ago).
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: _username on April 19, 2011, 03:45:05 AM
It's one of those parts of the game that is (IMO) a "high replayability" quest.  Obviously, characters with Celerity have an easier time, but I think it was built in such a way that anybody can do it...it's just very hard with some builds.  Anyways, I've never had a character who couldn't pull it off.  Even if it took a dozen tries, half a dozen blood packs and a 200 rounds of ammo.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Nanaloma on April 19, 2011, 08:08:19 AM
You missed it because it's a bitch of a quest to do without broken Disciplines. Even with the flamethrower (if you go through Hallowbrook and have never spoken with Romero before), it's a total and absolute monkey of a quest to solve properly. You're better off sleeping with the guy or finding him a piece to tap. Same rewards, MUCH less aggravation.

I'm contradicting my past posts here but, it is easy with celerity.  Just have to keep running from gate to gate with staying too long at one or the other.  Otherwise, I make him stay and do his own job :). 

As per the original line, I tried finding vantage points to shoot with the Romero rifle (or even the ever handy Anaconda) but couldn't find any where both gates were visible.  Just curious, blood boil is powerful but takes a lot of blood and doesn't do a whole lot of periphery damage.  Did you try the lower one (can't remember what it is called) that damages everyone in range (kills all humans in a room, etc with one use)?  I've never been that far developed to test it at that point in the game (don't use histories).

That's the Blood Salvo, but it doesn't make enough damage to make it a viable choice, in my opinion. As Rick said, the best choice is sleeping with him (If you're a female), or getting him a hooker. And about combat; using high level Celerity is probably the only relatively safe option, since there's a lot of enemies and the two gates are pretty far.

Boy; don't have the game loaded at present an it has been a while; just seems the Tremere had a mass killer like mass suicide (Malks).  I agree that salvo isn't so good :)   Oh well, never could trust my memory on such things. 
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Nanaloma on April 19, 2011, 08:20:57 AM
I am an XP whore, so I usually take the zombie quest for XP and a firearms boost, and then come back afterwards and ask him how things are going.  This leads to a dialogue choice asking him if there's anything else you can do for him, and then you can get him the hooker for XP and some cash.

The zombie quest is possible without Celerity, but it's a bitch.  You have to run back and forth between gates constantly, and ignore all the zombies on the way.  It make may take one or two tries to succeed.

As per the original line, I tried finding vantage points to shoot with the Romero rifle (or even the ever handy Anaconda) but couldn't find any where both gates were visible. 

At the corner where you make the turn, you can hop up on a gravestone and from there onto the wall, with a view of both gates.  I tried this a couple of times, but still never succeeded.  For me, only Melee works.  I think you'd have to have your Firearms really high to pull this off.

Like Romero  :cometome:
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 20, 2011, 07:00:25 AM
Has anyone found Animalism Level 5, Plague or Swarm or whatever it's called to be any use? It says it deals damage to all targets in a group, but when I used it, it only killed one person, and didn't damage any others.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Nanaloma on April 20, 2011, 07:56:36 AM
Has anyone found Animalism Level 5, Plague or Swarm or whatever it's called to be any use? It says it deals damage to all targets in a group, but when I used it, it only killed one person, and didn't damage any others.

What were the others?  It seems most of the mass killers kill all humans in the area (I remember (I think) taking out a room full of temple guards (Ming Palace) with it) but have a variable affect short of death on most vampires.  What I want to know is, why doesn't the Sheriff use it on ME? 
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 20, 2011, 08:10:44 AM
All of the targets were human, or zombies, or some such. I've used it in places like the Giovanni Mansion catacombs, the Society of Leopold monastery. Never killed more than one at a time.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Nanaloma on April 21, 2011, 12:55:59 AM
All of the targets were human, or zombies, or some such. I've used it in places like the Giovanni Mansion catacombs, the Society of Leopold monastery. Never killed more than one at a time.

It certainly isn't worth the expenditure, then.  When I stop playing for a while, my memory folds the disciplines together and I can't remember which does what.  If I'd stick to one clan, I guess that wouldn't happen but I generally play all except, many times, Brujha and Ventrue - just don't find those two very fulfilling. 
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 21, 2011, 01:03:16 AM
That was the first and only time I bothered with Plague/Animalism Level 5. Usually I just ignore it and put that XP to better use with an extra dot or two in Fortitude or Brawl.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Draco Alivi on April 21, 2011, 01:19:17 AM
And how about the Mass Suicide (Level 5 Domination); is it useful there?
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 21, 2011, 05:36:16 AM
I THINK (never did that quest with my Ventrue) that it's of less use against zombies and other supernaturals. It probably does damage to them, but I really doubt it just wholesale kills/re-kills a bunch of them at once.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: Ventrueloquist on April 21, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Has anyone found Animalism Level 5, Plague or Swarm or whatever it's called to be any use? It says it deals damage to all targets in a group, but when I used it, it only killed one person, and didn't damage any others.

It's good for distraction/incapacitation (only kills one when I have tried it), since every enemy gets so focused on fighting the swarm off that you can whack/shoot them without them doing a thing against you. In UP basic/plus it's more fun ("that's a nasty itch you got there, moahahaha!") than tactically useful, but with Arsenal mod (that I'm playing with right now) it might be more useful against mobs (unless you just Fortitude your way through).

Personally I avoid that zombie killer quest like the plague, since it uses up more blood and/or ammo than the XP award is worth. I see it more as a needlessly tedious quest than a challenge with lots of replayability. I bring him a hooker or avoid it. I'm a XP whore as well, but I want the game to be fun, not a chore like that zombie quest.
Title: Re: Zombie attack!
Post by: OrdoD on April 23, 2011, 09:28:34 PM
With melee weapons, it's okay with Celerity, even with only 1 dot I think, but I have never succeeded (or even come close to suceeding) without Celerity. 

With ranged weapons, it's okay with the very best of ranged weapons - I've done it with the Steyr Aug assault rifle or whatever, wasn't terribly hard but it was very expensive in ammo costs.  I have not even tried it with weaker ranged weapons. 

I have never tried to do it using direct damage disciplines like Thaumaturgy. 

My memory is that when I approached him as a female Ventrue he initially asked me to guard the cemetery for him and I had to go out of my way to select the sleep with him option.  But I've only done that once, maybe I'm remembering wrong.