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Offline The Shadow Man

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2018, 09:18:28 PM »
Oh LaCroix is a wonderful character, from an in game prospective he's an asshole for sure that's all. Humanity isn't really about acting human at all, plenty of humans are assholes, murderers and other such characters exist among humanity remember. Humanity could be thought of as a idealized form humane morality but hardly an accurate representation of what it means to be human.

Smiling Jack is Humanity 3?
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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2018, 12:23:00 PM »
Oh LaCroix is a wonderful character, from an in game prospective he's an asshole for sure that's all. Humanity isn't really about acting human at all, plenty of humans are assholes, murderers and other such characters exist among humanity remember. Humanity could be thought of as a idealized form humane morality but hardly an accurate representation of what it means to be human.

Smiling Jack is Humanity 3?

Regarding Jack it depends on how you view it. Jack is a canon character in VtM with stats in one supplement or another and I think its from there that he's got Humanity 3. But if you run with Jack as he's presented in the computer game I would think he's got Humanity 5 or something like it.

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2018, 03:51:51 PM »
Jack seems very keen on the 'self defence' angle of Humanity, according to him if someone attacks you they can die no problem. Anarchs in Bloodlines seem to agree with certain principles of the Camarilla but rejecting how it is run and some of its laws; hell Issac as a Baron is just a mini Prince. Bloodlines Anarchs seem pretty civilized compared to the Street gangs I've read the Anarchs described as on White Wolf wiki

Incidently do Anarchs do Paths of Enlightenment? Seems mainly a Sabbat and Independent Clan thing.

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2018, 02:07:18 AM »
Oh LaCroix is a wonderful character, from an in game prospective he's an asshole for sure that's all. Humanity isn't really about acting human at all, plenty of humans are assholes, murderers and other such characters exist among humanity remember. Humanity could be thought of as a idealized form humane morality but hardly an accurate representation of what it means to be human.

Smiling Jack is Humanity 3?

"3" is about what I'd expect with Jack.  Heck, he probably killed everyone on the ship to set up his sarcophagus hoax when he popped out of the box. 

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2018, 11:07:43 AM »
"3" is about what I'd expect with Jack.  Heck, he probably killed everyone on the ship to set up his sarcophagus hoax when he popped out of the box.

This is why "Jack slaughter Elizabeth Dane" is the most plausible theory. It is completely within his character to do so. He was a pirate in his human days afterall.

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2018, 01:47:27 PM »
Bloodlines Anarchs seem pretty civilized compared to the Street gangs I've read the Anarchs described as on White Wolf wiki
Makes perfect sense, the protagonist should have reasons for joining them after all. Shame they haven't enough time to flesh out Sabbat as well.
From this perspective, LaCroix would've maked better anarch baron than prince. BTW, according to the VtM lore, defecting to anarchs is not that uncommon among younger ventrue.
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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2018, 03:17:55 PM »
Having played this game circa 100 times (hell maybe a lot more). BUT never reading any of the canon/lore/pnp stuff I analysed the following major faults....

Loadsa bugs - now fixed

Story wise it would be nice if there was an actual apocalypse ending with some hint of Messerach beginning the end of the world (the TV guy giving us an update perhaps). After all having spent so much time and effort (and so many lives) trekking after the dratted sarcophagus the explosives thing feels a bit cheap.

So more apocalypse now then!

P.S. Jack is full of **** "they just tore eachother apart to get it" err no the PC tore everyone apart which kinda implies something really bad/badass is pulling the PCs strings (a sleeping ancient perhaps).
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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2018, 01:33:29 AM »
-----   but, Messerach was dead for centuries and is just a mummy.  All the rest was a hoax to feed on superstitions - a typical Jackism.   Likely a ghoul in his day but, no more. 

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2018, 03:19:58 AM »
Troika ran out of time and money in the Hollywood sewers and everything that follows from there has less level. The missions are simple and boring. If there is ever a remake of paradoux or the valdurie boys it would be best to cut off of hollywood and put a final battle. For me the ideal would be to arrive at the nosferatu shelter, that Gary told you that Lacroix has cheated on you, that he has the sarcophagus and that he told you to look for him to eliminate you. After that you go to lacroix you liquidate and you finish the game. It would have been a short game but perfect and sure a success in sales and then already if you are given the possibility of making a sequel you put what you had in mind but that to do so many things in a hurry and without money It is not the same as doing it at the beginning, that is, with love and tranquility. I repeat, the missions starting from Chinatown are simple and boring and the textures and scenarios are the same. It's as if the last part had been made by some fans.This was the lack of money and hurry. A tip, play Vampire after dinner and after dinner eat a raw garlic. Chew and crumble it in the mouth to release the allicin in your mouth. It has medicinal properties and itches quite. Do not worry, it's not bad. Let it go from the saliva to the blood. Then drink a glass of water and brush your teeth. Garlic acts like a drug. It's as if it took away your memory and eliminated your worries. and thoughts. Once you start a game or load an existing game you will have an immersion in the brutal game and you will have each time you play the feeling that it is the first time you play vampire bloodlines. Each game you will play will be like the first time and you will look at things that you have never set yourself. You will never do the same things or go through the same places so the game will not become repetitive

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2018, 10:21:43 PM »
There is not much clan specificity.
Only for Malks...
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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2018, 04:28:24 AM »
---  and Nossies. 

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2018, 09:35:44 PM »
---  and Nossies.

True.
They have a bit of special style as well.
But I feel like VTMB favors Malks the most
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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2018, 02:57:00 AM »
No argument from me on that one. 

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2018, 07:39:39 AM »
You probably know that the dialogue files of the game have fields for all clans, but Troika only had time to do special ones for the Malkavians :(...

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Re: What aspect of VTMB did you disliked?
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2018, 09:06:41 AM »
You probably know that the dialogue files of the game have fields for all clans, but Troika only had time to do special ones for the Malkavians :(...

Yes, what a shame. Sometimes I think on how much more time they would have needed to completely flesh out the game the way they wanted. 4 months perhaps?

 

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