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Did you get this game because it's WOD related, or does that not matter to you?

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Offline _IZAC_

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VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« on: March 25, 2016, 09:37:37 PM »
Hi, I've loved this since as long as I can remember, only ever lurked here though. Genuinely curious though as to how many of you knew of/about WoD (I think I'm talking about the right thing?) and the RP stuff before they played the game? I had never heard of nor touched it, and haven't since but this game is still by a decent margin my favorite game of all time.

Thanks to anyone who votes, or even better replies!

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 04:43:29 PM »
VtMB was actually responsible for me getting into tabletop roleplaying. Back in highschool, in 2005, one of my classmates was playing in a VtM party, and asked me if I'd like to join. At first I didn't really care about it, but after he told me that their tabletop rpg was set in the world of VtMB, I immediately joined.

So yeah, long answer short, fourth option. :)

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 08:58:43 PM »
Interesting poll results tbqh, but it also doesn't surprise me in many ways. There are so many reasons people play Bloodlines or Redemption that the poll could be much much longer.

I chose the first option. I was a fan of vamp films and one of my friends and I were getting plastered after work at Bennegans restaurant in 2000 and we started talking about vamp films. He started talking about WoD and the book of Nod, along with a couple clan names, but that's all I remembered from the convo. A couple weeks later, I was browsing through new games at Best Buy and found Redemption. On the back, it mentioned a few key words I could remember from my drunken convo with my friend, so I picked it up. I soon found a couple sites like PV and VampDepot that had communities and mods. I stuck around ect.

I've actually never played VTM outside the video games, nor have I read any clan novel. If you read much of my communication on fb and twitter posts, it reads in a pretty general way in terms of my explanations of WoD, it's because I only have a general understanding of it and don't pretend otherwise. I do know a lot of people here who are very knowledgeable, and I bounce ideas and communication off them often to ensure what I wrote makes sense. I think this communication style also brings in a broader general audience, because it can be intimidating to feel like you won't fit in if you don't know everything about WoD to post here. I did buy the By Night Studios VTM book and clan pins from their Kickstarter, but it's sitting in storage, I mostly bought it to support the people involved in the project and what they do for the community as a whole.

I'll be interested in hearing more from others in this thread. I know Wesp5 has kind of a unique story too, and it would be cool if he'd elaborate. It's my understanding that even though he's a prolific patcher as you know, he has actually never played Bloodlines from start to finish, he just plays areas he makes changes to, in order to make sure it didn't cause bugs. When I first read that, it was unexpected, but cool and interesting. I also often bounce a lot of ideas for the site off him first, for the reason he looks at things so differently from myself. Besides his work on the patches, he also has contributed a lot of ideas that have helped keep PV going and it doesn't often get highlighted publicly.

I'll keep an eye on this thread, I'm interested in reading your stories and opinions.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 09:46:47 PM by Signothorn »

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 10:36:24 PM »
I know Wesp5 has kind of a unique story too, and it would be cool if he'd elaborate. It's my understanding that even though he's a prolific patcher as you know, he has actually never played Bloodlines from start to finish, he just plays areas he makes changes to, in order to make sure it didn't cause bugs

Wow, there is a big misunderstanding here. Of course I played Bloodlines from start to finished when I first got it! Only after I started patching I just hadn't time to do that again, as I always have to play the fixed sections over and over until I'm fed up ;). As for my unique story, I wasn't a big vampire fan before Bloodlines and I didn't even know anything about the WoD. I'm more a first person shooter guy and had already made some mods for Doom and Half-Life, which are among my favorite games. I loved the Source engine, but was a bit dissappointed by HL2 as it is a step backwards regarding gameplay compared to HL1 in my opinion, except maybe for the physics. So when I heard that there was another game using the same engine I just had to play it! It started out fine, but when the Jeanette/Therese revelation came up, I was really amazed, because I had never experienced such a deep story element in a shooter. When the ending revealed that the whole story made sense right from the start and you didn't even get a last final boss fight, I laughed out loud and since then the game is my favorite of all time :)! Oh, and I started patching because in the middle of the game I got stuck by some fault of the Unofficial Patch of Dan Upright at the time. He told me how to continue, I asked him if he would patch the bug, he said no, but I could do it myself, and that's how the whole thing started...
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 10:44:06 PM by Wesp5 »

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 11:33:33 PM »
I answered the fourth option as well, but I've never been into non-computer roleplaying and that hasn't changed since. I have however gotten into the WoD as far as novels go. I've read all the 4 big clan novels and the Brujah trilogy and I'm planning on reading several more novels, especially the Dark Ages ones. I love the setting and the intrigues/plotting. Most of the characters are very well done as well.

I've also periodically overdosed on the white wolf wiki, reading about lots of strange vampire bloodlines as well as werewolves and wraiths. It's not enough for me to know much about anything, but enough for me to know that there is a lot of stuff contained within each of these sections.   

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 12:55:16 AM »
Oh, and I started patching because in the middle of the game I got stuck by some fault of the Unofficial Patch of Dan Upright at the time. He told me how to continue, I asked him if he would patch the bug, he said no, but I could do it myself, and that's how the whole thing started...

Teach a man to fish...

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I was a huge roleplaying geek as a kid. Discovered Vampire: the Masquerade at UBCon, I think. Bought the book and many after and had countless hours of fun doing tabletop rpgs and later larps. Bloodlines caught my notice because of its ties to the WoD setting, but I really fell in love with the characters, the way they integrated the mechanics (stats influencing dialogue), the story, the different perspectives and replay value... that stuff is what got me hooked and got me replaying the game so often with all of the different mods. I think I started to see how games could be so much better.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 03:16:22 AM by Nigama »
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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 02:06:16 AM »
Yeah, another number four here although it isn't a perfect fit.  Bloodlines led to Redemption and the stories got me interested enough to read some of the novels but I never played P&P (well, actually I did, one time at Texas A&M while learning meteorology and I had a ball but that was it and I don't even remember the name of the game) or got deeply into the WOD.  Never really was interested at all in the NWoD. 

Offline _IZAC_

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 06:46:47 AM »
Thank you for the detailed replies!

Quote from: Ventrueloquist
I have however gotten into the WoD as far as novels go.
For someone who has not ever been into RP outside of video games is there a particular one you'd recommend?

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I was browsing through new games at Best Buy and found Redemption
I really liked the modern urban setting and mood in Bloodlines - always got put off when I google Redemption and see some sword and shield screenshots. Should I try it?

Wesp your work on the patching front continues to amaze me even after so long, kudos for you for playing a massive role in keeping vtm alive.
 

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM »
Never intereseted WoD and tabletop roleplaying, but greatly liked the game. Its story is all-sufficient for me, and it's pretending to real time and real feelings and looks beautiful and convincing that I very like, although I was never being vampire fan...
« Last Edit: March 28, 2016, 02:31:03 PM by Psycho-A »

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2016, 11:56:59 AM »
Thank you for the detailed replies!

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I have however gotten into the WoD as far as novels go.
For someone who has not ever been into RP outside of video games is there a particular one you'd recommend?
I can recommend the Clan Novel saga, 4 large books with really great plot and characters. Liked it much more than the Brujah trilogy, although it was also very good and a real page-turner. I read the whole trilogy quite quickly, the writing never dragged or felt slow. Haven't read any other books, but I'm thinking of reading the Lasombra trilogy and the Dark Ages clan novel series.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2016, 12:05:26 PM by Ventrueloquist »

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2016, 10:15:25 PM »
I chose the third. I have always been a pnp roleplayer, since I was 8yo (1998), and my cousins introduced me to WoD. I loved malkavians, I loved the setting and, playing as a kid, with adult players, and after only having experienced fantasy, D&D-like games, it was a blast and marked me. Later, say it like 2006/2007, my cousin told me about this game, played as a malkavian, and loved the hell out of it.

But it wasn't untill 2010 that I decided to reinstall the game after buying it on steam. I installed the patch, and played a whole run and a half non-stop. Since then, the game have become... special. You see, I have a hard time now playing any game, just sitting to play is like a huge effort, and going back to it, or even staying playing, is almost impossible. But Bloodlines is different. I just install it, patch it, and I can play it forever. On 2010 I finished a run with a Toreador. Last year, I played non-stop with a Nosferatu with Lacroix, an Anarch Brujah looking to kill the freaking werewolf, and a camarilla Tremere. It felt so easy to just kept playing. I finished one run, and outright started another. And now it's the same: i just finished a Sabbat (thanks for that, really!) Gangrel, and went right into a Ventrue. And when I finish, I'll wait for the next patch and go Malkavian all over again.

And it is not only about World of Darkness. World of Darkness is great, but this game... this game is eternal. Every single quest, every single dialog, the mechanics, the music, the characters, the voices... I can't get enough of them. I can't get enough of a game that feels alive, ever changing, not only because of the patches, that are really, really awesome, but because how changing the personality of your character can give you little differences, enough to feel like a new game. Even today I surprise myself finding new lines, and not patched ones. It is the game most similar to pnp I have ever seen.

I don't know what makes this game special, and I didn't respond on the other thread about what could make this game better, because I don't feel it can get better. Only the bugs keep it away from perfection, and only barely (I mean, what would Bloodlines be without those ever coughing npcs?). Just more Bloodlines is what I need.

EDIT: I have to add, even though I don't tend to like fan-made content, the small additions the UP brings to Bloodlines are great, specially because they are small, but noticeable, and split through many years. Coming back to the game is way better thanks to them.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2016, 10:20:15 PM by FrederickVael »

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2016, 03:52:01 AM »
I don't know what makes this game special, and I didn't respond on the other thread about what could make this game better, because I don't feel it can get better. Only the bugs keep it away from perfection, and only barely (I mean, what would Bloodlines be without those ever coughing npcs?). Just more Bloodlines is what I need.

Don't remember where I read it, but there was an article a few years ago about how there are really no games quite like Bloodlines. Sure, there are some that have similar qualities, but not the real world immersion, the combination of characters and story, or even the soundtrack, quite like Bloodlines. And, as the article stated, it doesn't look like there's anything on the horizon like it, either.

Which is sad.

Bloodlines is truly a special game.  :rock:

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2016, 06:59:14 PM »
It's kind of petty, but I voted number four, just because I could, not because I hate IZAC.
More seriously, my serious vote would be number one, no need to tell you that WOD or not WOD, this game is one of those rare RPG which have a soul. One of those that you can play before having a date, then suddently hearing your phone ring and a delicate voice screaming in your ear: WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU! I HAVE BEEN WAITING YOU MORON!

They aren't many the video games which can make me forgot a girl.

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2016, 08:46:47 AM »
4th choice. I found the story in the game to be very captivating, it was so ahead of it's time. Then i drown countless hours in the White Wolf Wikia :)

 I remembered that i was very young (i'm past 20 now) when i found VTMB in a game store. There was absolutely no information about this game at all, my friends never talk about it in school, not even an article in game magazine and my internet-fu nor my English-fu wasn't as strong as now. So i just ignored it...

 Fortunately i'm a kind of gamer that loves good oldies. I used to helped my grandpa runs SNES party, then PS1 party, then most recently PS2 party (in Asian counties we have these before PC, internet and LAN party even becomes the norm ya'know?). So i seek this game out again when i found many reviews sings a hyme of praise for this game like it's a second coming of the Christ. this contrast to its obscurity really pique my interest. Boy, i'm not disappointed at all. It's like reading through a very well written horror/suspence novel. And i'm also glad i didn't picked this gem back then. Because me as a kid wouldn't even understand half of the story.

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Re: VTMB as a game, or WoD?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2016, 03:54:00 AM »
I embraced you with Rep, just for letting me say I hate you!   :taunt:

Love the game and as a result, love WoD. I care about WoD now, but cause I love the game. Did I mention I love the game, sorry for focusing just on me! I secretly believe Obsidian is working on a WoD game 2.0, but I'm not spose to say, according to the voices in my head!

Trust me, most of the names I have been called you can't translate in any language...they're not even real words as much as a succession of violent images.