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Title: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 07, 2018, 11:30:49 AM
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Rubinia on November 07, 2018, 05:19:14 PM
1) VV choice of clothes - I think she didn't care, like, it was her everyday (everynight?) outfit. That's the point, she wore nothing special. Yet when I think about it, she indeed is more likely to dress something more extraordinarly impressive. Like, scarlet velvet dress in that old-fashioned style. So that noone there could ever forget.

2) He has, but doesn't give away what he likes to keep for himself. As a Fledgeling I rutinely start with crap gun and in the meantime I fish off better guns, and especially in Hunters Caverns I'm happy to fetch my arsenal. But the worse ones are with me still, unless I sell them, and I rarely remember to sell them. So Jack, with his supposedly limited Finance knowledge (that's reserved for Ventrues right?) could have one or two spare guns in his pockets.

3) Maybe it has kind of tonuge-smell like snakes do? he is using that extraordinary sense to... smell the Fledgeling's blood aura from afar? Or he's trying to look stupid so that the player underestimates him until it's too late ;)
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 08, 2018, 10:17:18 AM
1) that's the same issue with nude mods: irrealism. While a more or less naked body can be a nice treat, it makes no sense when you waks the street AND nobody reacting. No looks by anyone, no cops arresting you (or, because they're those rambo cops, shooting at sight) for indecent exposure.

2) makes sense. In alternative maybe a simple glock, boh?

3) the point is that tongue doesn't move at all. Looks like a bad glitch. I've took the textures and made the tongue invisible.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Malkav on November 08, 2018, 10:57:49 AM
1) that's the same issue with nude mods: irrealism. While a more or less naked body can be a nice treat, it makes no sense when you waks the street AND nobody reacting. No looks by anyone, no cops arresting you (or, because they're those rambo cops, shooting at sight) for indecent exposure.
Maybe you should ask the guys from Activision why there was no time to create another VV model. :razz:

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2) makes sense. In alternative maybe a simple glock, boh?
I agree with Rubinia here. Jack only gives you the spare stuff he doesn't really need. And of course it's also a design decision. The player shouldn't be able to get the downtown pistol in Santa Monica.

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3) the point is that tongue doesn't move at all. Looks like a bad glitch. I've took the textures and made the tongue invisible.
Agreed, this is probably a glitch. Never really noticed it myself though.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Wesp5 on November 08, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
I've took the textures and made the tongue invisible.

Can you attach this texture here so I can take a look if this should make it into the UP?
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 08, 2018, 04:38:14 PM
As soon as I've both my pc and an internet connection I'll do :)
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 08, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
1) Maybe you should ask the guys from Activision why there was no time to create another VV model. :razz:

2) I agree with Rubinia here. Jack only gives you the spare stuff he doesn't really need. And of course it's also a design decision. The player shouldn't be able to get the downtown pistol in Santa Monica.

1) I already did mine. Anyone ever noticed VV and Therese have the same identical head? It was very tricky but I've made a VV version with a jacket. The jacket needs to be reworded but works well. Plus I've made the glasses invisible and shortened the skirt to made her an unique design. Now I need to know hot to put it in game ONLY in the intro sequence....
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Malkav on November 08, 2018, 05:04:50 PM
To get your VV model in the opening scene you have to edit the entity list for the theatre map.
You can either open it with vpk-tools or you can extract, edit and reimport with VTMBedit.
For working on just the one map vpk-tools is probably better even if its editor is very primitive.
In any case, find VV and set the model path to your new model. Just remember that editing a map your character has already visited causes trouble. So either do it before starting a new game or after your current character has done the Mitnick quest in the theatre.
Of course you could use hammer, but de- and recompiling a whole map for one changed model...
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 08, 2018, 05:21:57 PM
No problem, I know to not edit things the savegames relies on be untouched

Edit: Although there's an easier solution: place it instead of the vanilla version, then out of the intro replace the vanilla version back
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/37160454/im-a-genius.jpg)
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Wesp5 on November 08, 2018, 06:00:57 PM
Anyone ever noticed VV and Therese have the same identical head? It was very tricky but I've made a VV version with a jacket. The jacket needs to be reworded but works well. Plus I've made the glasses invisible and shortened the skirt to made her an unique design.

What are you talking about? VV and Therese have not the same heads, and VV has no glasses. Also I would think VV comes like she is to provocate the others. Remember how she even blows a kiss to Strauss?
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Nanaloma on November 09, 2018, 05:25:07 AM
1) that's the same issue with nude mods: irrealism. While a more or less naked body can be a nice treat, it makes no sense when you waks the street AND nobody reacting. No looks by anyone, no cops arresting you (or, because they're those rambo cops, shooting at sight) for indecent exposure.



Heck, I was attacked by some psycho chick with a torch (hunter) in front of a cop and they did nothing.  As soon as I defended myself, they started shooting at me!   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 09, 2018, 08:06:47 AM
1) manbat tongueless attached
2) not the exactly same model but the same 3d head in both models
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Wesp5 on November 09, 2018, 08:41:39 AM
1) manbat tongueless attached

Many thanks, I'll include it in the UP 10.1 final!
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: DiamondBorne on November 16, 2018, 07:39:54 AM
What's wrong with Giant bat with tongue sticking out? Even dogs do that. I see no issue here.

Jack said it himself he ain't fond of using gun but he comes packing because it helps cover your violent tracks. Think about it, accidentally drained a thug dry? Fire a couple of shots into his torso and turning "unexplainable death" into "normal himicide" real quick. That's why he didn't need high calibur pistol.

Covered VV is classy. I like that.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 16, 2018, 11:55:46 AM
What's wrong with Giant bat with tongue sticking out? Even dogs do that. I see no issue here.

Let's confront the two things. That's a dog tongue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX8inrAymPg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX8inrAymPg)

And that's the manbat tongue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCl9T2hezU&feature=youtu.be&t=75 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCl9T2hezU&feature=youtu.be&t=75)

You can see the dog's tongue isn't rigid but flaccid. On the other side the manbat's tongue is weird to look at.



Jack said it himself he ain't fond of using gun but he comes packing because it helps cover your violent tracks. Think about it, accidentally drained a thug dry? Fire a couple of shots into his torso and turning "unexplainable death" into "normal himicide" real quick. That's why he didn't need high calibur pistol.

Makes sense, but maybe a glock is better both than a crap colt and also a pocket murder machine. A compromise in short. But that's just a random thought

Covered VV is classy. I like that.

That was the point. Classy and not out of place.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Malkav on November 16, 2018, 10:02:04 PM
Jack himself says: "Here... take this thirty-eight. Fuckin' peashooter, but..." So there isn't much you can do. And as I said earlier, for the game design it is intended that the player doesn't have a better gun in Snata Monica.
Anyway, Jack doesn't really need a gun so why should he carry something heavier or more expensive? And if it is true that he was a pirate, then at the time he was embraced, pistols probably were muzzle-loaded flintlock affairs. One shot, precise enough to hit a human at maybe 5 to 10 meters.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 17, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
The option of keeping the gun was added in the UP plus, so technically it wouldn't matter if instead of this option the patch gave him a glock if not an anaconda. But mine was only food for thought. :)
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Malkav on November 17, 2018, 09:39:37 PM
Keeping the gun by dialog was added by the patch, agreed. But you always had the option to drop the gun before talking to Jack and then pick it up after the dialog. And since there was a 3 second delay between dialog end and levelchange you had time enough.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 18, 2018, 10:37:35 AM
Right! Even if you won't have enough bullets to make a difference makes sense  :rofl:
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Wesp5 on November 18, 2018, 10:46:38 AM
And since there was a 3 second delay between dialog end and levelchange you had time enough.

It was also possible to get the .38 of the goon in that time...
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Malkav on November 18, 2018, 04:47:08 PM
Right! Even if you won't have enough bullets to make a difference makes sense  :rofl:
Ammo isn't the problem once you have money. Sell the gun and buy it back, then you can also buy ammunition up to the maximum.
Same exploit(?) as for the books.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 25, 2018, 07:56:53 PM
New perplexities:
- why aiming with a scope the camera moves like you're breathing? You're supposed to be dead, and while you use your lungs when talking you don't actually need them when using a rifle....
- why Venus's bedroom is this ugly? Shouldn't it be more gothic and stilish?
- why there are all these bystanders and club patrons not enough gothic like the others? I cannot feel to be in the world of darkness, set in a metropolitan gothic scene, with all those colorful freaks.
- and most of all, why the music volume is this low? I want to hear it but the sound effects are louder so I have to keep the volume low.
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: IanW on November 26, 2018, 10:16:46 AM
New perplexities:
- why aiming with a scope the camera moves like you're breathing? You're supposed to be dead, and while you use your lungs when talking you don't actually need them when using a rifle....

I think it's less "breathing" and more the difficulty muscles have in holding something steady, regardless of whether or not you're breathing. If I hold my breath and try to aim a rifle while standing, I might have a slightly easier time than I would if I were breathing too, but it's still not going to be straightforward.

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- why Venus's bedroom is this ugly? Shouldn't it be more gothic and stilish?

As she tells you, it's her office. There's no bed there. Since she's usually behind the bar, she probably doesn't spend a lot of time in her office.

Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 26, 2018, 11:15:42 AM
New perplexities:
- why aiming with a scope the camera moves like you're breathing? You're supposed to be dead, and while you use your lungs when talking you don't actually need them when using a rifle....

I think it's less "breathing" and more the difficulty muscles have in holding something steady, regardless of whether or not you're breathing. If I hold my breath and try to aim a rifle while standing, I might have a slightly easier time than I would if I were breathing too, but it's still not going to be straightforward.

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- why Venus's bedroom is this ugly? Shouldn't it be more gothic and stilish?

As she tells you, it's her office. There's no bed there. Since she's usually behind the bar, she probably doesn't spend a lot of time in her office.




- Still I feel it weird :P

- The very first time I played it somehow I got the feeling the moment she said to go on her office (before actually got there) that office was also her bedroom, boh?
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Wesp5 on November 26, 2018, 03:48:37 PM
- The very first time I played it somehow I got the feeling the moment she said to go on her office (before actually got there) that office was also her bedroom, boh?

Why should she sleep in her club? As for the zoom mode, I think this is a technical problem: Troika did not slow down the random mouse movements when zooming...
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on November 30, 2018, 02:29:09 PM
My previous answer wasn't saved (I thought I've send it at the time, boh?)

I doesn't matter, another question: why none of the vampire enemies go on frenzy? I bet this can add a ramdom peak of challenge :D
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Nanaloma on November 30, 2018, 11:53:11 PM
My previous answer wasn't saved (I thought I've send it at the time, boh?)

I doesn't matter, another question: why none of the vampire enemies go on frenzy? I bet this can add a ramdom peak of challenge :D

They also don't use disciplines on you.  ????
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Wesp5 on December 01, 2018, 09:10:19 AM
I doesn't matter, another question: why none of the vampire enemies go on frenzy? I bet this can add a ramdom peak of challenge :D

They also don't use disciplines on you.  ????

Most vampire enemies use at least one discipline and as you only frenzy on low health and blood, this would probably mean that all vampire enemies would frenzy just before you kill them, which would be a kind of overkill :)!
Title: Re: Perplexities on Bloodlines
Post by: Barabbah on December 01, 2018, 11:40:04 AM
Overkill for them or for you?

Because I know a frenzy can make you a murder machine. Or at least I thought, since every time it happened me somehow my character "lowers" all defense, like this blind rage makes him also stupid and prone to be easily damaged.... So I realise now I don't know how it actually works....