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Offline Radical21

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2015, 10:12:20 PM »
With Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity published by Paradox chances should be good that Paradox approaches Obsidian for a possible sequel to Bloodlines? I mean, fucking KOTOR 2 and Fallout: New Vegas should be prove enough that Obsidian can do First Person/Third Person RPGs like VTMB?
Also, Tim Cain.

Another developer that could pull it off (imho) would be CDPROJEKTRED, but they probably are too focused on getting their Cyberpunk RPG done over the next few years.

And if anything, at least the Vaulderie guys should be able to continue with their Overhaul project.

Like I said :

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads%2Fparadox-interactive-acquires-white-wolf-publishing-from-ccp-games.888941%2F

"New Paradox Subsidiary will Operate Independently and Manage All White Wolf Properties, Including World of Darkness and Vampire: The Masquerade"


This is great news and as Paradox’s VP of Acquisition & Portfolio Strategy Shams Jorjani said, it's "gonna be great to give it some fresh blood". I've really enjoyed playing with the mods, but they can only add so much and Bloodlines is notoriously difficult to mod. I don't know what this will lead to, but it sure is a lot better than CCP's squatting behavior, neither doing something themselves or letting anyone else do something with the IP's. As it happens, I'm also Swedish, just like Paradox, so that's an additional nice surprise (as a Ventrue, I claim some of the credit/bask in the glory for that reason :P).

Yet another reason to move to Sweden
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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2015, 10:45:48 PM »
While we have yet to see how this will turn out, I believe this is for the better, of course, this is simply an un-researched (only with a visit to Paradox's website and Wikipedia page) stand point. But considering CCP Games' atrocities, how could it be any worse? At best, they'll continue work on new games set in cWoD and allow fan projects. The worst thing they could do is nothing.

Is it possible someone on here could contact the company's CEO? Possibly get to know who they are, and establish a friendly relationship between us, the fans, and Paradox interactive? It would help things get started off on the right foot.  :smile:

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2015, 11:54:04 PM »

I'd rather anyone but Obsidian. Until they get something else, I consider New Vegas their 'fluke'. KotOR 2 was a good game, but very unfinished, just like Neverwinter Nights 2. Still, an unfinished but moddable game is better than the "no game of any kind" that's been released under CCP.


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You don't know what you are talking about!  Obsidian Entertainment produced
Alpha Protocol the best Spy RPG Ever!!
They Produced Fallout New Vegas, the BEST of the Fallout games. 
They Produced Neverwinter Nights 2, Knights of the Old Republic 1&2, Pillars of Eternity.  ALL Classics and have sold 10's of MILLIONS of Copies!! 

You need to talk less and listen more and check your FACTS More!
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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2015, 01:14:45 AM »
The ending of Vampire-Masquerade-Bloodlines leaves and opening for a sequel.  Indeed, the game begs for a sequel.  The riddle of the cab driver is never really solved: is he Cain or not?  Was he in the sarcophagus or not?  And who will become the next prince of L. A.?  Jack?  Nines? 

If you play with the Tremere ending, who or what is putting the orders or thoughts in Maxmillian Strauss' head during the ending sequence?  With the Kuei-Jin ending, does your character escape and return, or spend all eternity in the bottom of the bay?

Perhaps they will give us a sequel that will answer these questions. 

One can hope.

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2015, 02:14:21 AM »
Great news!

Here's hoping that we'll get a bloodlines kind of game, or failing that, a redemption-esque vampire game at least.

The only downside for now is, of course, the waiting time...  I have enjoyed most of Obsidian's games and I trust the studio will do a great job with the IP, assuming that it is Obsidian that will take on the game's development in the end.

The riddle of the cab driver is never really solved: is he Cain or not?  Was he in the sarcophagus or not?  And who will become the next prince of L. A.?  Jack?  Nines? 


I don't think it was actually Cain, and to my understanding, there was no vampire in the sarcophagus at all. I mean, however cool it would be, why would Cain bother with the petty politics and ideological wars among relatively young vampires in L.A.? Also, Jack and Nines are anarchs, I doubt they would be interested in a camarilla title.

In any case, I would rather have the game set in another city and preferably span multiple eras a la redemption. I have been seeing bloodlines' set of characters for 11 years now, a change of scenery and cast would be nice if you ask me.

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2015, 03:19:10 AM »
Exciting!

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2015, 03:45:54 AM »
Ho ho!  Now this is a pleasant change of events for this franchise.  If they work on a proper VTM game than hell yes, and if not perhaps they'll be more lenient on Project Vaulderie than CCP was.

I also wouldn't say no to Obsidian making a game of this, finger pointing from their own failures aside at least they do something with the damn game (plus I'm certain they can pull of the Alpha Protocol charm they've likely been meaning to let out for so long).
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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2015, 04:12:50 AM »

I'd rather anyone but Obsidian. Until they get something else, I consider New Vegas their 'fluke'. KotOR 2 was a good game, but very unfinished, just like Neverwinter Nights 2. Still, an unfinished but moddable game is better than the "no game of any kind" that's been released under CCP.


:facepalm:
You don't know what you are talking about!  Obsidian Entertainment produced
Alpha Protocol the best Spy RPG Ever!!
They Produced Fallout New Vegas, the BEST of the Fallout games. 
They Produced Neverwinter Nights 2, Knights of the Old Republic 1&2, Pillars of Eternity.  ALL Classics and have sold 10's of MILLIONS of Copies!! 

You need to talk less and listen more and check your FACTS More!
Obsidian had absolutely nothing to do with KotOR 1, which was developed solely by BioWare. As I recall BioWare provided some technical assistance for both KotOR 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2. Might be worth noting that KotOR 1 was released in 2003, which was the year that Obsidian was founded. :chinscratch: Anyways, KotOR 2 was Obsidian's first game, their second was Neverwinter Nights 2 followed by it's two expansions. ;)
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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2015, 04:38:10 AM »
Most of Obsidian is made from former Black Isle.. That makes them RPG gods

From Wikipedia: "Black Isle they created several role-playing games including Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment, and Fallout 2, and collaborated with BioWare on Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, and Baldur's Gate II. "

That said Obsidian is juggling 3 projects now and on of their influential designers, Chris Avellone left them so I don't expect them to drop everything and take on VTM.

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2015, 07:05:25 AM »
Great news. Even a small chance we'll have another WoD game on PC is better than previous state of things. With Paradox chances rise infinitely.
And if people from Black Isle Studios... errm, Obsidian, could work on VTM material, I'd be delighted.

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2015, 09:32:47 AM »
Most of Obsidian is made from former Black Isle.. That makes them RPG gods

From Wikipedia: "Black Isle they created several role-playing games including Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment, and Fallout 2, and collaborated with BioWare on Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, and Baldur's Gate II. "

That said Obsidian is juggling 3 projects now and on of their influential designers, Chris Avellone left them so I don't expect them to drop everything and take on VTM.

Fallout 1 & 2 are my favourite games, but if I have to be honest, I too feel like Obsidian produced mixed results over the years.

I like KOTOR 2 and Alpha Protocol a lot, but they have severe flaws (KOTOR 2 was a bit of a mess, really rushed toward the end, and Alpha Protocol is poorly realized as far as a lot of game mechanics go).

 NW2 is in my opinion a dull, uninspired affair, and I honestly didn't hate but didn't love FO New Vegas (I feel though part of the responsability here lies on the not great game engine Bethesda uses, and its limitations... But also, what kind of game awards you the same xp for killing bugs and Deathclaws??? The pathing issues make all melee enemies a joke, and the game severely disappointed me when my approach did yield results... But then the game forced the script to go in certain ways regardless of what I did, or didn't offer approaches without me having to go in roundabout ways to gain "access" to them).

I haven't played Wasteland 2 or Pillars of Eternity, so I can't really say anything with certainty, but what I have seen puts them far from the top RPGs, in my opinion (Wasteland 2 seemed to have hamfisted choices, and not having a main protagonist made things anonymous to me, and Pillars of Eternity seemed to have poorly thought out fights). Again, take my views on these last 2 games with a grain of salt, I didn't really play them, just saw someone else play them.

If anyone is wondering, my top list would go something like Fallout 1 & 2, VTMB, KOTOR 1 & 2, Gothic 2, Alpha protocol,Baldur's Gate (I have yet to play BG 2, sadly). Special mention for Arcanum, which I love to play early on, but always loses steam for me afterward (I never finished it to this date). There are probably more games, but those are the ones off the top of my head.

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2015, 10:17:20 AM »
(Longtime lurker coming out of the woodwork simply because of this announcement)

Fantastic news! Of course, anything is better than CCP just sitting on the IP but this is probably the best I could hope for; a Company that actually has the desire, and obviously has a plan, to do something with WOD.

With Project Dogmat progressing and this news things are finally starting to look up for fans of Vampire-esque games.

As for Obsidian...

I'm 50/50 about their involvement. Kotor 2 was good but didn't have the charm of Kotor and the various issues with the ending that had to be filled in by the community wasn't great. Being a big Bioware fan at that time, Neverwinter Nights 2 was passable but by the second Expac I was feeling burned. Then Alpha Protocol came around and I swore I would never play another Obsidian game again.

Not that Alpha Protocol was awful; it was passable to some extent. But it felt lacking and I had that same feeling going back to Kotor and Neverwinter Nights. I had dropped so much money on disappointment.

But... they have since turned things around. FO New Vegas was good even though I didn't play it until a couple of years after release and Project Eternity (Pillars of Eternity) beckoned me to drop money on the Kickstarter and I'm thankful that I did.

Now that Bioware is essentially EAioware now... I feel that Obsidian has the potential to be the Bioware of the future. Whether that is realised or not will remain to be seen.

However, regardless of Obsidian's involvement (though they are probably the best choice for doing a Vampire Videogame at the moment) whatever comes out I know my money will literally fly out of my wallet and at my computer screen!...

 
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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2015, 10:30:14 AM »

I haven't played Wasteland 2 or Pillars of Eternity, so I can't really say anything with certainty, but what I have seen puts them far from the top RPGs, in my opinion (Wasteland 2 seemed to have hamfisted choices, and not having a main protagonist made things anonymous to me, and Pillars of Eternity seemed to have poorly thought out fights). Again, take my views on these last 2 games with a grain of salt, I didn't really play them, just saw someone else play them.

I admit I have not played or seen much of their recent titles. I think Fallout New Vegas was a real improvement next to Fallout 3 but far more limited than Fallout 2 still in terms of game-play and content which is understandable, considering the medium. Still I think NV was one of the more memorable games as opposed to Fallout 3 where I vaguely remember a giant robot, mutant orcs and the way the BOS base looked.

Like I said, I don't expect Obsidian to pick up this project in the near future because they seem so busy and because Paradox doesn't own them. I think Paradox might bring in some WoD guys , some Deus Ex guys, Maybe some Assassin's Creed guys , some Bloodlines guys and new people.
The good thing is that Paradox are not CCP so they might actually manage such a project in a good structured way and come up with a plan before going all-in.

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2015, 11:23:13 AM »
I admit I have not played or seen much of their recent titles. I think Fallout New Vegas was a real improvement next to Fallout 3 but far more limited than Fallout 2 still in terms of game-play and content which is understandable, considering the medium. Still I think NV was one of the more memorable games as opposed to Fallout 3 where I vaguely remember a giant robot, mutant orcs and the way the BOS base looked.

Like I said, I don't expect Obsidian to pick up this project in the near future because they seem so busy and because Paradox doesn't own them. I think Paradox might bring in some WoD guys , some Deus Ex guys, Maybe some Assassin's Creed guys , some Bloodlines guys and new people.
The good thing is that Paradox are not CCP so they might actually manage such a project in a good structured way and come up with a plan before going all-in.

Oh, I agree that NV was way better compared to Fallout 3, but I guess my opinion is colored by my experience of the first two games in the series (the funny thing is that I almost played Fallout 3 BEFORE 1 & 2, I like Morrowind quite a lot and I was curious about Fallout for a while, so I decided to give the first two a go when plans for Fallout 3 went public... I don't know how many times I have played those games, now XD).

Those are exciting times, I crave a really good RPG, and a VTM resurrection would make me very happy, let's hope we get something out of this (I wasn't too excited about the MMO project, I am more of a single player kind of guy).

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Re: Paradox buys White wolf from CCP
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2015, 11:41:31 AM »
Nothing but good news. The Obsidian connection is there, but more importantly - It's just good to see the IP being picked up to be used, rather than just being squatted on. I am honestly just happy.

 

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