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Raving_Neonate:
Dear kindred...

You either love him or hate him (or both), but none can argue that Sebastian LaCroix is not one of the most, if not the only, developed character in the game. You see him from the beginning to the very end in all ranges of emotions and positions, both good and bad, but there is something in his demeanor that makes me fond of him despite his earnest efforts to shove the PC into death with his "one-man army" missions. I would even dare to say that he rates high in the humanity department, since he is acting, in essence like a human, has a drive and unlike Jack, he is not openly advocating self-defense. Maybe that is "hardcoded" in him by the clan philosophy or the principles of the Cam, but I find him to be exquisitely humane unlike most characters that you meet in the game, maybe except VV (although the resolution of her Hot Stripper Action mission could mitigate that impression, but still it would be fun if some of the modders could add a different conclusion to it, to keep in more with VV's character and philosophy).

The mic is all yours people.

Rubinia:
The whole idea of degree in humanity is somewhat tricky and most of the time I don't quite understand it nor see the difference clearly. Among all game characters I love the Jack most, even if he is presumably more manipulative than LaCroix himself.

Our Cammy Prince is foremost clumsy manipulator. He reveals his emotions and thouths quite often and is far from expresionless corpse (would be quite accurate for vampire, after all!)
When the Fledgeling says it encountered Beckett after Warehose, Sebby reacts with genuine surprise and quickly covers it with 'Yes, of course Beckett already said hello to me, the so powerfull reign of L.A.'-like line which is totally not convincing.

It can be heart-warming. LaCroix is likeable sometimes, somewhat, and if there was a way to support him all way long and save him from his obsession I'd do it. Shove off the Sheriff and co-rule with the Prince forward on.

deicide:
Probably was used to napoleonic meritocracy too much and still did not get the kindred neocon system, when no matter how hard you try, you worth nothing. The lack of appreciation for his efforts is exactly what rendered him like we see in the game. Too bad convincing him to drop that wild goose chase isn't possible and one of the best characters in the history of CRPGs ended up being a hate sink.
That Napolein thing (c) is the reason I've thought defecting to LA Anarchs would have been a better option for him.

Raving_Neonate:

--- Quote from: deicide on April 04, 2018, 10:22:08 pm ---Probably was used to napoleonic meritocracy too much and still did not get the kindred neocon system, when no matter how hard you try, you worth nothing. The lack of appreciation for his efforts is exactly what rendered him like we see in the game. Too bad convincing him to drop that wild goose chase isn't possible and one of the best characters in the history of CRPGs ended up being a hate sink.
That Napolein thing (c) is the reason I've thought defecting to LA Anarchs would have been a better option for him.

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I would like an alternative that could persuade LaCroix to drop the entire thing - he is a superb, developed character that really does not deserve all the flaming hate, especially since the master manipulator is Jack in fact, who drove you around the entire game. In a way, LaCroix is awfully honest and stays true to his own designs, it's just a bad spin-off since he bites the dust in the end.

The Shadow Man:
It's hard to feel sympathy for the guy who does everything he can do you in without getting his hands dirty. If it wasn't for Nines he'd have done you in, in the Courtroom or more accurately had the Sheriff do it. He sees you as an opportunity of course, someone to do some things he needs doing and if you do well it actually benefits him for the most part. The Camarilla is necessary for the survival of vampiric society however its only natural to want to protect yourself from Vampire Napoleon. LaCroix is very human-like but the Humanity system was always an idealized representation of humankind not a particularly realistic one.

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