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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2018, 10:35:10 PM »
I think it would be quite possible to add an ending similar to what you want e.g. by convincing LaCroix not to open the sarcophagus but storing it in the Camarilla warehouse instead like in the Strauss ending. Only I don't think he has lines that would make that believable and the result would be even more improvised than my Sabbat ending!
Why not go oldschool text-only way? Real mute dialogues are way better than patchwork voiced, at least for me.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2018, 11:32:38 PM »
Why not go oldschool text-only way? Real mute dialogues are way better than patchwork voiced, at least for me.

Not for a patch where every other line is spoken! No way...

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2018, 05:23:28 AM »
Then good luck finding voice actors for what had been already restored or, rather, added. Probably, I could have particiated, yet my nightmare-inducing accent wouldn't fit for anyone save Andrei, for whom the pro VA had volunteered.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2018, 08:26:34 AM »
For now I don't plan to add a save-LaCroix-ending anyway, because there is no hint that Troika planned it.

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2018, 09:15:46 AM »
Seems I worded it wrong again or something, above was about the extra impovised or ultrashort dialogues that's already in the plus patch and doesn't sound like a part of the game, not new.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2018, 09:28:18 AM »
Seems I worded it wrong again or something, above was about the extra impovised or ultrashort dialogues that's already in the plus patch and doesn't sound like a part of the game, not new.

You mean the one for the Sabbat ending. There is nothing that I can do about that, only hope that in the next CQM are some lines that maybe I could use. Still I like it better than text only...

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2018, 01:19:21 PM »
Cannot you ask the VA I've mentioned to do an extra few lines for you as well? UP provides the basis for CQM after all.

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2018, 02:25:42 PM »
Cannot you ask the VA I've mentioned to do an extra few lines for you as well?

It's probably to late for that, but as I'm in good contact with burgermeister, I'll ask...

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2018, 02:41:48 PM »
Alternatively you could also contact me, but be warned, Andrei would sound like a doped up melodic death metal vocalist with completely flat and expressionless manner of speech which is the only style accessible to me even in theory.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2018, 08:29:08 PM »
For now I don't plan to add a save-LaCroix-ending anyway, because there is no hint that Troika planned it.

I will have to agree with Wesp here (and Troika by extension). Despite being a great and formed character, LaCroix fell down too deep into the pit of ambition, too deep to be saved - it would be certainly a peculiar and original spin-off to add an ending where you actually convince him to drop the entire thing, but that would seriously ruin the lore behind WoD. Plus, in that case he would preserve the quasi-Camarilla he propagates, thus creating a huge disparity between that and the canon result where Anarchs take over.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2018, 02:44:58 PM »
Not a big LaCroix fan here, he is very clumsy for a prince. But he seems to have a lot of fans out there. I find him very annoying, how he throws tantrums and gets constantly annoyed, when your character askes him anything. Shouldn't he be a bit more pleased, that the newbie is trying to find out a bit more about the world s/he lives in now? In my first playthrough, I was completely hating him after the Grout mission. He didn't seem to care a lot that one of his primogens is dead, he was more interested in blaming Nines for it. This complete disregard for Grouts death drove me into Strauss arms back then (I played a Tremere on my frist playthrough)

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2018, 06:55:01 PM »
Agree with his Napoleonic origins, maybe he thought that efforts should be rewarded long ago, but nowadays consider only his efforts worth a reward. Probably, was disappointed with life and depressed :irritated:

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2018, 04:01:17 PM »
Among all game characters I love the Jack most, even if he is presumably more manipulative than LaCroix himself.

Over the years since the Bloodlines have been released, I have been listening to various people who damn LaCroix for his scheming and manipulation and at the same time praise Jack as some paragon of honesty and truth.

It is a testament to how brilliant this game is and how naive people are, for Jack is the number 1 manipulator in the entire game. It is merely that his methodology is so subtle.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 04:06:31 AM »
Should he have been able to get over the damn box, he could potentially been the best ally, since he is a political bachelor and loner, the protagonist likewise. Not allied to anyone, his superiors are trying to get him killed, obnoxiously rich, has connections and resources... What could be better from political standpoint? His alienation in vampire society makes such an alliance more secure as the Fledgling remained his only ticket.
I think that such a likeness was intentional.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2018, 11:02:44 AM »
Should he have been able to get over the damn box, he could potentially been the best ally, since he is a political bachelor and loner, the protagonist likewise. Not allied to anyone, his superiors are trying to get him killed, obnoxiously rich, has connections and resources... What could be better from political standpoint? His alienation in vampire society makes such an alliance more secure as the Fledgling remained his only ticket.
I think that such a likeness was intentional.

He is far too much vainglorious and egotistical to recognize his flaws. He is also, fairly incompetent if you stop and analyze his methodology. He tries to get rid of Nines and the Anarchs first, when Kuei-Jin are far more dangerous to him long term then. His course of action should have been alliance with the Anarchs first and go after Kuei-Jin together.
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