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Author Topic: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)  (Read 1520 times)

Offline mqduck

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I'm playing as a female Nosferatu. I'm at just about the end of the game--I just received "Enemy of My Enemy"--and did "You Only Die Once a Night". Romero is still in his little graveyard shack but isn't giving me the "Pimpin' for Romero" quest. Is it a Nosferatu thing, because Nos'es can't talk to prostitutes without freaking them out, or is it a bug or what?

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2018, 10:40:44 AM »
Is it a Nosferatu thing, because Nos'es can't talk to prostitutes without freaking them out, or is it a bug or what?

Yes, this is one of the two things Nosferatu can't do...

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2018, 10:05:55 PM »
There's at least one (for Bertrum) that only Nossie's get, though.  I'm thinking there may be two, but my memory fails me. 

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2018, 05:46:05 AM »
What's the one only Noses can get from Bertram? I'm pretty sure I missed that one.

EDIT: Is the other quest that Feratus can't get "Dirty Dishes"?

In any case, wouldn't the inability to do the quest as a Nosferatu be something worth mentioning in vampyri_lestat's walkthrough that, as I understand it, is now maintained by you, Wesp? There's actually a number of things that I think could be clarified if you'd be interesting it taking some edit suggestions.
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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2018, 06:51:54 AM »
There's at least one (for Bertrum) that only Nossie's get, though.  I'm thinking there may be two, but my memory fails me.
in basic version yes however in plus other clans can take it too

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What's the one only Noses can get from Bertram? I'm pretty sure I missed that one.
you can get that after finding gary

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2018, 08:56:46 AM »
What's the one only Noses can get from Bertram?

It was the CD quest but as I was confused finding the CD as Toreador I made it available to all clans in plus :)!
The other thing Nosferatu are missing is the encounter with Samantha in Hollywood which is no quest though.

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In any case, wouldn't the inability to do the quest as a Nosferatu be something worth mentioning in vampyri_lestat's walkthrough that, as I understand it, is now maintained by you, Wesp? There's actually a number of things that I think could be clarified if you'd be interesting it taking some edit suggestions.

I wasn't ware this isn't mentioned and might add it. If you have other edit suggestions, just post them here!

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2018, 10:27:49 AM »
"replanting Lily" can't be solved cheating the girl in Asylum too. If you play UP you have a chance cheating Stan, but in vanilla I think you only can wait until you arrive to Confession and speak with Patty.

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2018, 12:44:51 PM »
Sending Patty to Vandal is UP only, too. In Vanilla the only person you can send to Vandal is the girl in Asylum.
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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2018, 02:40:35 PM »
Sending Patty to Vandal is UP only, too. In Vanilla the only person you can send to Vandal is the girl in Asylum.

Didn't know... well, here you have another quest impossible for nosferatu

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2018, 07:45:51 PM »
Doris and Blue Blood are also not available for Nosferatu. Nosferatu should somehow eliminate silently Dima if want to start Venuside quest. In Vanilla game only the Nosferatu could scare Shu and gain additional 3 XP. I have made some detailed notes in the walkthrough UP 10.0 about the Nosferatu and not only. If someone is interested, I could share the file but be warned that some of the notes are too detailed.

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2018, 08:49:42 AM »
I could share the file but be warned that some of the notes are too detailed.

I would be interested to update the walkthrough included with the patch. Right now sometimes Nosferatu exceptions are mentioned and sometimes they are not...

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2018, 07:59:47 PM »
I could share the file but be warned that some of the notes are too detailed.

I would be interested to update the walkthrough included with the patch. Right now sometimes Nosferatu exceptions are mentioned and sometimes they are not...

Probably it will be for the best if I send you my version of the walkthough and you decide what to take from it and add in the walkthrough included with the patch. But as it is in txt format it will be difficult to identify the changes. Even I am not sure I remember everything that I changed. Usually the changes are in that sort of brackets [], but not always. I also added some requirements for persuasion, intimidation or seduction or corrected the existing, corrected some humanity gains and loses (now I see that I didn't corrected that in fact you do not lose Humanity if you kill the cop at the Pier in UP+ nevertheless what the walkthroudh says), etc.
I could highlight the changes but it will take me some time. It is up to to how you wanted it.

Maybe it is the right moment to report some bugs and give suggestion about Shu. I haven't play UP+ 10.0 with Nosferatu so my impressions on this matter are from UP+ 9.5. Sometimes when I used Obfuscate some holes appeared in the maps and the character sank into them and only noclip was the cure. This is especially true for SoL outside map.
Here is a suggestion for improvement of Shu quest. You changed the XP given by the quest in UP+ 9.6 but I think it will be better if you receive the 3 XP for scaring or disabling Shu and the second 3 XP for killing him but for that to came true there should be a way for every clan to do the first step (scaring or disabling). For now only Nosferatu could do it Vanilla plus Ventrue and Malkavian in UP+. For example Protean War form should scare him, blood shield also. For Brujah and Toreador Celerity or Presence could help or even Potence.

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2018, 10:22:39 AM »
I could highlight the changes but it will take me some time. It is up to to how you wanted it.

Please highlight your changes, otherwise I will probably overlook something and waste time finding them.

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Sometimes when I used Obfuscate some holes appeared in the maps and the character sank into them and only noclip was the cure.

I never heard that before...

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I think it will be better if you receive the 3 XP for scaring or disabling Shu and the second 3 XP for killing him but for that to came true there should be a way for every clan to do the first step (scaring or disabling).

These suggestions do only work for people already knowing about the XP distribution so they don't make sense to me.

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2018, 05:29:18 AM »
I could highlight the changes but it will take me some time. It is up to to how you wanted it.

Please highlight your changes, otherwise I will probably overlook something and waste time finding them.

I will make them red in doc format if that is OK with you and you will have them by the end of the week if not earlier.

I think it will be better if you receive the 3 XP for scaring or disabling Shu and the second 3 XP for killing him but for that to came true there should be a way for every clan to do the first step (scaring or disabling).

These suggestions do only work for people already knowing about the XP distribution so they don't make sense to me.

Let me explain my idea a little bit further. Yes, it's additional work, new people could miss it (they could miss a lot of things - for example Nines lesson in Melee), it sounds a little bit as exploit but it is more like hidden part of quest which originally was only available for Nosferatu but you unintentionally made it available for Ventrue and Malkavian. This hidden part is nothing unique or unusual in the game as we already have hidden quests as Malcolm's Affair and you made visible some of the hidden as Trick or Treatment. The situation is that you have bonus action (scaring or disabling the "crazy and fearless" Shu) which is not treated by the XP reward system as such. It is the same as the bonuses in other quests - don't kill anybody or do not been seen or things like this. And the second step (the task from Ox) is to kill Shu. Of course I simplify the situation a little bit. The situation now is that 3 classes have this hidden (bonus) step and they have action for it (Malkavian and Ventrue could miss it even in the current situation) but the other 4 only receive the bonus reward without even knowing that it exists and practically never done it. So what I am saying is that 4 classes receive 2 rewards (one normal and one bonus) with 1 action and I am suggesting to add them an action for this hidden step and assigning the bonus reward to it. If you agree I could try to do some of the work but I am not sure I have the knowledge and skills to do the whole task. I hope that by the mess of my thoughts you can understand what I am trying to say.

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Re: Is it possible to get "Pimpin' for Romero" as a Nosferatu? (UP 10.1)
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2018, 08:35:06 AM »
It is the same as the bonuses in other quests - don't kill anybody or do not been seen or things like this. And the second step (the task from Ox) is to kill Shu.

The main problem here is that this is not a real bonus, because people using this without a walkthrough will not kill Shu and thus the result is actually one less XP.

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I am suggesting to add them an action for this hidden step and assigning the bonus reward to it. If you agree I could try to do some of the work but I am not sure I have the knowledge and skills to do the whole task.

And the problem with this is once I have e.g. the warform spook people, players would expect that to happen for everyone else that reacts to a Nosferatu appearance. Just in case this is even technically possible...
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