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Title: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: _username on April 12, 2011, 02:28:06 AM
...there are 3 toothbrushes in/on a glass by the sink.

WHY ARE THERE THREE?
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 02:41:44 AM
Check Jeanette's laptop and find out.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: _username on April 12, 2011, 04:03:01 AM
What about it specifically?  It's common knowledge that she brings people home sometimes, but does she expect all of them to share the same toothbrush or something?
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 04:05:45 AM
One toothbrush for Jeanette, one toothbrush for Therese, and... a guest toothbrush.   :vampwink:  Maybe Bertram Tung spends a lot more time at Asylum than Therese fears. Who brings their own toothbrush when staying over? That's sort of presuming a lot, isn't it?
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Post by: _username on April 12, 2011, 04:14:11 AM
Maybe.  Then again, we are talking about someone who is infamously slutty.  Of course, by that point worrying about a toothbrush is kind of like closing the barn door after the horses get out.
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Post by: Porphyria on April 12, 2011, 04:19:33 AM
One toothbrush for Jeanette, one toothbrush for Therese, and... a guest toothbrush.   :vampwink:  Maybe Bertram Tung spends a lot more time at Asylum than Therese fears. Who brings their own toothbrush when staying over? That's sort of presuming a lot, isn't it?

Um, since when do Nossies even brush their teeth? Sure doesn't look like it to me. lol I wouldn't say personal hygiene ranks high with them.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 04:23:07 AM
Given the sorts of things vampires can do with their fangs, and the potential places to stick them... wouldn't YOU want Bertram to brush his before, after, and if you're into that kind of thing, during?
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Porphyria on April 12, 2011, 04:34:30 AM
Given the sorts of things vampires can do with their fangs, and the potential places to stick them... wouldn't YOU want Bertram to brush his before, after, and if you're into that kind of thing, during?

Not if I'm also dead.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 04:35:34 AM
So that's your excuse to give up on all personal hygeine? If you're not a Nossie, you're gonna get treated like one pretty damn quick, there.   :justabite:
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Porphyria on April 12, 2011, 04:58:58 AM
I wouldn't give up on the rest of my hygiene. I would still shower, but what is the point in brushing your teeth regularly if you are no longer eating anything, not getting tooth decay anymore, or plaque? Can't get bad breath if you don't even have breath.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 05:13:46 AM
No, but you suck blood, and it starts to crust up and stink after a while. Vampires should brush their teeth so as to help preserve the Masquerade.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: _username on April 12, 2011, 05:17:34 AM
Now that you mention it, I don't think Bertram brushes.  Ever.  Have you seen that dude's grill?  Worse still, even if he brushed and flossed three times a day, if his "natural" Nossie state was to have fucked up, nasty chops then they would just revert to that every night.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Porphyria on April 12, 2011, 05:30:18 AM
Bertram has a horrible grill, and face lol
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 05:48:39 AM
Bertram's the best-done Nossie in the game.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: _username on April 12, 2011, 06:03:00 AM
This is true.  Overall, the character's demeanor, motives, physical appearance, etc. are balanced between plausible and interesting in a way that none of the other Nosferatu are.  Most of the others blatantly run afoul of one or more Nossie cliches eventually.

Similarly, I think Isaac is the least cliche Toreador in the game.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 06:15:18 AM
I thought he was a Ventrue, before I realized he was an Anarch and he said he was Toreador. He's definitely one of the more well-done Toreador I've ever seen. I'm still very interested in Velvet Velour perfecting her art, though.   :cometome:
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Post by: PGM1961 on April 12, 2011, 10:22:16 AM
This is true.  Overall, the character's demeanor, motives, physical appearance, etc. are balanced between plausible and interesting in a way that none of the other Nosferatu are.  Most of the others blatantly run afoul of one or more Nossie cliches eventually.

Similarly, I think Isaac is the least cliche Toreador in the game.

I agree with both of these.  Too bad the rest of the Bloodlines crew weren't as original as these two.  I still love the game, of course; but I wish we could tweak some of the main NPCs.

As for the teeth issue... who wants yellow teeth?  Keep them clean.

I thought he was a Ventrue, before I realized he was an Anarch and he said he was Toreador. He's definitely one of the more well-done Toreador I've ever seen. I'm still very interested in Velvet Velour perfecting her art, though.   :cometome:

VV is a poseur, but they are a part of Toreador society too.  It's no wonder Isaac doesn't mention her.  From what she says, and her poetry, I'm pretty sure Isaac is her sire; but it's obvious Ash is his favorite.
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Post by: G-Flex on April 12, 2011, 12:31:56 PM
This is true.  Overall, the character's demeanor, motives, physical appearance, etc. are balanced between plausible and interesting in a way that none of the other Nosferatu are.  Most of the others blatantly run afoul of one or more Nossie cliches eventually.

Gary Golden is the most disappointing in that regard, as he acts like he's totally monstrous and hideous, yet... he looks more normal than any of the other Nosferatu in the game.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Porphyria on April 12, 2011, 01:04:43 PM

Similarly, I think Isaac is the least cliche Toreador in the game.

When you are comparing him to someone like Ash, that isn't hard.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: VentrueIan on April 12, 2011, 01:16:50 PM
My biggest disappointment in regards to clan cliche's was in Lacroix. They tried so hard to make him a typical Ventrue that they made him generic.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Radical21 on April 12, 2011, 02:01:56 PM

Gary Golden is the most disappointing in that regard, as he acts like he's totally monstrous and hideous, yet... he looks more normal than any of the other Nosferatu in the game.

Thats because of all of them he is the one that used to be the most vain in the days when he was still a popular actor.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 09:07:20 PM
EDIT

Given Gary Golden's concept, I find it highly believable that he'd Embrace Imalia as a Cleopatra just to teach her "a life lesson". However, I don't like that of all the Nosferatu you meet in the game, fully 20% of them are Cleopatra. (I totally forgot about poor Barrabus!) I don't think the Nosferatu would waste the time or energy Embracing that high a number of Cleopatras - what would they DO? How would they be useful to the warren? Imalia, from what we've seen of her, spends all her time in her room just ooooozing jealousy all over Tawni Sessions. Maybe now that Sessions is dead, she'll be able to move on and become a productive member of Nosferatu society. But I find it a lot more likely she'll just find a new target and remain the same static character ad infinitum.
Mitnick is the same, just with entirely different qualities, like obscure references to ecryption programs and hacker code. (I'm sure you've seen his "leetspeak" name in the emails he sends you.)
Gary Golden... well, it has to be said. He's still a vainglorious bastard stuck in the past pretending to be something he's not. I love him, and I wish the game included more quests from him... But he's no Calebros. He's not even a Bertram Tung.
Tung is THE Nosferatu in the game, and if I had been designing it, I would've switched him and Gary Golden around. Golden may be older, but Tung has all the merits to lead. On the other hand, Tung is sort of the working-man's Nosferatu, and if he's busy with all of that, he may not have time to lead. But I didn't get the impression that Golden did anything more than give Tung the occassional order that interfered with the real business Tung was conducting.

And when I say "art", PGM1961, I'm aware that Velour is a poseur.   :justabite:  But can you honestly tell me you wouldn't want to preserve the illusion that much longer?
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: G-Flex on April 12, 2011, 10:54:42 PM
Wait, how is Mitnick a Cleopatra? He was just some guy they dragged in because he's damn good with computers, and because he stumbled upon knowledge he shouldn't have. He doesn't even mind being an ugly son-of-a-bitch.

My biggest disappointment in regards to clan cliche's was in Lacroix. They tried so hard to make him a typical Ventrue that they made him generic.

I would agree, except it seems clear enough to me that LaCroix tries to play to that stereotype. He poses as a typical, strong-willed Ventrue, yet it's obvious he's an insecure, petty brat with little self-control.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: PGM1961 on April 12, 2011, 11:15:30 PM
After several decades, Gary is obviously still bitter about his Embrace.  He is one of those people who saves up all the crap they have to take on their way up, and then take delight in turning around and dumping it on the people who are below them.  He had his fame stolen away, so by God he's going to do the same to someone else.

I'm certain Mitnick and all the other Nosferatu hate the fact that Gary Embraced Imalia.  Who wants to associate with a whiny bitch like that every day?  Even if the Warrens had been full of Nossies, Imalia would've still been alone in her room, fuming.  I think you're right... she won't change.

I don't think Tung would want to be Nos Primogen, any more than he wants to be Prince/Baron of Santa Monica.  He's field personnel, and he'd hate all the politics that goes with Primogen.  That's what I think, anyway.

I never said I disliked the character of Velvet Velour.  But you spoke of Velvet perfecting her 'art'.  I'm sure this was a joke about watching her dance; but VV is just like every other stripper who insists on being called a 'dancer', to salvage what's left of her self-esteem.  She has no art; only the pretense of art.  Perhaps Isaac thought he saw something in her and tried to 'save' her, like he did with Ash.  But instead of reinventing herself after her Embrace, she is still a stripper.  In her poetry, she says, "Father I never knew you, Mother I ran away from you, Sire you forgot me..."  She also refers to Isaac as being "like the father I never had", and speaks of Ash as a step-sibling.  Even if Isaac isn't actually her sire, she has latched onto him as surrogate father figure.  But he never speaks of her at all, only Ash.

I think Isaac has two children he tried to save by Embracing them... and he failed both times.  Talk about dysfunctional families.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: G-Flex on April 12, 2011, 11:20:48 PM
I remember specific lines of Isaac's dialogue saying that he didn't embrace VV, though.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on April 12, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Mitnick is the same as Imalia in that he's a static character. He's too happy with his lot in life; leave him alone with his computers for eternity and he's as snug as a bug in a rug on drugs.

I think Tung would like to play around with the politics - why else get with Jeanette and screw with Therese? - but he wouldn't want the responsiblity that came with the position. Much more fun to manipulate people from a distance by letting slip just the right kernel of information in just the right ear and watch it ensue. And then sell a bit of counter-information to the opposite side in exchange for a favor, etc, etc. I think he enjoys playing the game, but he doesn't want to be team captain. That's why he's the perfect Nossie - the power behind the throne, but leave the spotlight to Toreador or Ventrue. (And on that note, you'll notice that LaCroix immediately pins the blame for the sarcophagus being stolen on, guess who - the Nosferatu primogen. Of course, it WAS Gary's fault, but I don't think Gary is as quite as clear in where his loyalties lie as LaCroix would like.)

Yes, the comment about Velvet's "art" was mostly a joke, but you can't deny there's a certain... aesthetic... appeal about it.   :cometome:
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Post by: VentrueIan on April 13, 2011, 12:10:39 AM
I have to disagree with the concept of vv as a poseur. I don't think she was embraced to preserve her artistic talent, I think she WAS the art her sire was trying to preserve. She may be talentless and poetry for sure, and deludes herself into thinking she's deep, but you can't tell me you didn't look at her longer then you have most paintings.  :vampwink:
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: _username on April 13, 2011, 12:54:33 AM
Now that you mention it, the Toreador clanbook has several referrences to clan members who consider themselves walking pieces of art.  Almost without fail, people with that attitude are hopelessly deluded, egotistical and ultimately useless and forgettable.
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Post by: PGM1961 on April 13, 2011, 12:56:28 AM
I remember specific lines of Isaac's dialogue saying that he didn't embrace VV, though.

Proof please.  I don't remember Isaac mentioning VV once.

Yes, the comment about Velvet's "art" was mostly a joke, but you can't deny there's a certain... aesthetic... appeal about it.   :cometome:
She may be talentless and poetry for sure, and deludes herself into thinking she's deep, but you can't tell me you didn't look at her longer then you have most paintings.  :vampwink:

Heather's better.  That yellow tube top... if she were a real woman, I would have severe trouble looking her in the eye; and that's from someone who prefers a shapely butt over big boobs.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: VentrueIan on April 13, 2011, 12:57:53 AM
"You've met VV, have you? Of all the Kindred I know, she seems the most alive. She's young still, though - but nonetheless adept. She's not my childe, but she's become like a daughter to me." - Issac
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Post by: VentrueIan on April 13, 2011, 01:03:55 AM
Now that you mention it, the Toreador clanbook has several referrences to clan members who consider themselves walking pieces of art.  Almost without fail, people with that attitude are hopelessly deluded, egotistical and ultimately useless and forgettable.

Which fits VV like a dictionary definition. But then, how often has art been pragmatically useful? Arts primary use is to increase the quality of life. Being a flirt, I'm sure she's patched and healed many a damaged ego (Hatters for instance, how many hot red- heads do you think gave him the time of day before meeting VV?) Also keep in mind, Toreadors as a whole have never been known for being particularly useful, save for having as many connections as Ventrue in the human mechanics of things.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: PGM1961 on April 13, 2011, 01:06:05 AM
"You've met VV, have you? Of all the Kindred I know, she seems the most alive. She's young still, though - but nonetheless adept. She's not my childe, but she's become like a daughter to me." - Issac

I have never activated that particular line of dialogue... what do you have to say to Isaac?  Or is this just in the sound files?

Edit. -- Just found it in the sound files.  Weird.  I thought I'd asked Isaac about everything I could, and heard every line of dialogue.

I guess my theory is wrong.  (erase erase erase)
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Post by: Porphyria on April 13, 2011, 01:19:49 AM
VentrueIan is right. I remember that quote too. I think it comes up if you bother to ask him about VV. It was just a piece of pointless conversation though.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: VentrueIan on April 13, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
Which reminds me, while were on Issac, did any one else lose respect for his character when he refused to help his childer? Instead of saving the person he put in this position to begin with, he leaves it to a fucking kid to clean up his mess. I like Issac all in all, but that was shitty, especially how he just wore rose colored glasses like everything would just be okay on its own. Typical Toreador, I grant, but still shitty.
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Post by: Nanaloma on April 13, 2011, 03:49:21 AM
So that's your excuse to give up on all personal hygeine? If you're not a Nossie, you're gonna get treated like one pretty damn quick, there.   :justabite:

"I bathe, um, occasionally" - Jack

VentrueIan said:  Which reminds me, while were on Issac, did any one else lose respect for his character when he refused to help his childer? Instead of saving the person he put in this position to begin with, he leaves it to a fucking kid to clean up his mess. I like Issac all in all, but that was shitty, especially how he just wore rose colored glasses like everything would just be okay on its own. Typical Toreador, I grant, but still shitty.

Yes, I most certainly did.  However, it was expected (not an exact quote but ---):  "Hah, Isacc help me?  He would never come anywhere near this club especially with hunters around".   
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Post by: _username on April 13, 2011, 04:08:05 AM
If only there was such thing as Cainite Contraceptives.

Plan C, anyone?  You know...for all those unwanted/unexpected, spontaneous acts of eternal damnation.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Porphyria on April 13, 2011, 06:30:06 AM
Isaac is basically a pussy then. I didn't particularly care for him, but he was respectful enough in conversation. I know this is kinda hijacker behaviour, but it's game related. Speaking of Isaac, what is the best way to deal with the stone golem thing? I never really got a feel for that. I always persuaded it to join the anarchs of hollywood, but is it better to talk to Strauss?
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Post by: Rick Gentle on April 13, 2011, 07:07:26 AM
Plan C, anyone?  You know...for all those unwanted/unexpected, spontaneous acts of eternal damnation.
Plan C is already in effect. It's called the Sheriff.

You should always talk to Strauss no matter what you're planning on doing to the gargoyle. If your Persuasion is high enough (I want to say 5), he'll give you a device that halves damage taken from the gargoyle, and bonus experience if you go back and tell him you "solved the problem". However, you get more experience for convincing the gargoyle to side with Isaac/peaceful resolution (6 Persuasion?) than you do for breaking it apart. If you choose that option, either have points in Unarmed combat and use your fists (+Potence if you have it), the sledgehammer (conveniently available from Red Spot), or be prepared to spend a lot of ammunition with shotgun-class firearms. When he lifts up his foot to squish you, take a step or two back, and then smack him when he's recovering. Easy win if you get the timing down.
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Post by: Nanaloma on April 14, 2011, 04:43:04 AM
Plan C, anyone?  You know...for all those unwanted/unexpected, spontaneous acts of eternal damnation.
Plan C is already in effect. It's called the Sheriff.

Was going to say the Prince but, yeah, his sheriff is really plan c.  But I'm sure that as a Gangrel, you know that clan plan "c" is to abandon them right off and let Darwin fix the problem.   :vampwink:

You should always talk to Strauss no matter what you're planning on doing to the gargoyle. If your Persuasion is high enough (I want to say 5), he'll give you a damage that halves damage taken from the gargoyle, and bonus experience if you go back and tell him you "solved the problem". However, you get more experience for convincing the gargoyle to side with Isaac/peaceful resolution (6 Persuasion?) than you do for breaking it apart. If you choose that option, either have points in Unarmed combat and use your fists (+Potence if you have it), the sledgehammer (conveniently available from Red Spot), or be prepared to spend a lot of ammunition with shotgun-class firearms. When he lifts up his foot to squish you, take a step or two back, and then smack him when he's recovering. Easy win if you get the timing down.

In addition, if you build a bit differently, stone man cuts the conversation off short and basically says, "let's rumble".  Besides, you can always tell Isacc who made the gargoyle AFTER getting Strauss' XPs/money (?) and get locked out of the chantry.  Which begs another hijack:  never actually crossed Strauss as he is a strong candidate for the I-net advise you are getting so, if you do cross him, are you still locked out at end game and thus have only three of four choices?
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: VentrueIan on April 14, 2011, 05:03:37 AM
Actually, if you add the lines right in the dialogue, after you talk him into joining Issac you can have him join you as a companion. Seeing that big bastard kill your enemies with a sledghammer is actually entertaining to me. But then, I normally play ventrue, so what else can you expect? Becuase of his size I normally end up sending him to the haven to be a badass animated statue, but I still like collecting him.
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Post by: Ventrueloquist on April 14, 2011, 07:31:18 PM
Actually, if you add the lines right in the dialogue, after you talk him into joining Issac you can have him join you as a companion. Seeing that big bastard kill your enemies with a sledghammer is actually entertaining to me. But then, I normally play ventrue, so what else can you expect? Becuase of his size I normally end up sending him to the haven to be a badass animated statue, but I still like collecting him.

That would be with the companion mod installed I assume. It's good to point out such stuff, so you don't confuse other people. I persuade the gargoyle to join Isaac whenever I'm playing a persuasive character (any clan except Brujah or Gangrel), though it sure is fun to be rude to the gargoyle. I didn't know that you could get XP with any clan, I usually just tell Strauss about the Gargoyle when I'm Tremere.
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Post by: Malkyjeff on May 01, 2011, 11:28:11 PM
How do you know that there isn't a third person in jeanette/tharese?
DUN DUN DUUUUUN!
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on May 02, 2011, 01:31:33 AM
I know *I* wouldn't mind completing a Jeanette/Therese/other threesome.   :cometome:
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: PGM1961 on May 02, 2011, 04:32:14 AM
If you were able to sleep with Jeanette after the Ocean House, you already have... Therese was in there too, watching with disgust.
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Post by: Rick Gentle on May 02, 2011, 05:17:41 AM
Let her call you "daddy" and it's all good.
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Post by: PGM1961 on May 02, 2011, 05:42:48 AM
Um, dude... she killed her daddy.  If she called me 'daddy', I'd be out the door.
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Post by: Rick Gentle on May 02, 2011, 06:11:31 AM
Hmmm... good point... Better chain her down, just to be safe!   :vampwink:
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Post by: Wesp5 on May 02, 2011, 09:31:10 AM
If you were able to sleep with Jeanette after the Ocean House, you already have... Therese was in there too, watching with disgust.

No, she wasn't. There is no indication whatsoever that one sister knows what the other does when she is not active. Otherwise the whole "pendant thrown into the ocean" bit wouldn't have worked.
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Post by: PGM1961 on May 02, 2011, 12:40:41 PM
"I didn't do it!"
"Jeanette claimed you did it for her.  But let's say I believe you."  (Dialogue after the Gallery Noir.)

Therese and Jeanette talk to each other all the time.  It's how 'they' rationalize knowing what the other sister has done.  The first time you go upstairs and talk to Therese, you overhear an argument between them.  They even send emails to each other.  I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that Jeanette would mention your little tryst to her sister, just to gross her out.

But it's all just mental juggling, to keep them from admitting to themselves that they're one person.  Subconsciously, Therese already knows everything that Jeanette does, and vice versa.  Even if one tried to keep a secret, the other would 'suspect' that she did something wrong, and harass her until she 'confessed'.

Speaking of the sisters, in the audio files from the vanilla game, there are a few files where Therese mentions her mother, and yells that "You'll never control me again!"  But I've never heard these in actual dialogue with Therese.  Has anyone?  What dialogue 'path' do you have to take to hear these little tidbits?
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Post by: Wesp5 on May 02, 2011, 07:27:00 PM
Therese and Jeanette talk to each other all the time.  It's how 'they' rationalize knowing what the other sister has done.

No, they talk to each other and the other sister knows only what the other one tells her. The pendant situation clearly shows that...

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What dialogue 'path' do you have to take to hear these little tidbits?

You need to choose the dialogue where you threaten to kill her...
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Post by: PGM1961 on May 02, 2011, 08:48:09 PM
Therese and Jeanette talk to each other all the time.  It's how 'they' rationalize knowing what the other sister has done.
No, they talk to each other and the other sister knows only what the other one tells her. The pendant situation clearly shows that...

I think we interpret this very differently.  If I were in the game, I would not trust Jeanette to keep any 'secrets' from Therese... especially not if my life depended on it.  Therese may not consciously know about the secret until Jeanette tells her; but subconsciously, she knows Jeanette is hiding something from her... and Jeanette may very well be unable to keep from telling her sister whatever it is, if Therese puts on the pressure.

Besides, perhaps not all of their 'conversations' are verbal... some of it may be internal.  It seems logical that each sister visualizes the other as a separate person when they talk, so maybe this hallucinatory sister can whisper in their head, too.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on May 03, 2011, 12:21:38 AM
I am of the opinion that one does not know what the other is doing unless the other sister tells her so. If both of them knew what the other was doing, this wouldn't be Multiple Personality Disorder, just some sort of twisted bi-polar thing. However, I also think that the Jeanette personality, being an all-around flirt, attention whore, and jealous younger sister, often can't resist telling the Therese personality what she's been doing to piss her off. It's just not as much fun unless someone else knows, and Therese gives the reaction that Jeanette thrives on. There's also the fact that those laptops are sitting out there in the open - I can't imagine either sister would just leave the other's private computers alone when they're such tempting targets. The phone rings, and it's for Therese, but Jeanette answers? Well, they have the same vocal chords - who can tell the difference over the phone?
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Post by: Maxus Corvin on May 03, 2011, 12:29:16 AM
The phone rings, and it's for Therese, but Jeanette answers? Well, they have the same vocal chords - who can tell the difference over the phone?

Maybe it is that Suspension of Disbelief thing, but between both their lines, they might have the same voice(we all know it was the same actress), but there is a difference between their voices. Even the conversation they have before you enter the room, you know that it isn't the same person speaking each line(which was likely intentional), as you've already heard Jeanette's voice, so you would obviously think the other voice is Therese.

Um, dude... she killed her daddy.  If she called me 'daddy', I'd be out the door.

She could call me anything, I'd just either start running, or hope I have Fortitude, If I'd ever see her with a shotgun, and a crazed look on her face - namely if she's staring at me, and the shotgun's doing the same.
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Post by: Nanaloma on May 03, 2011, 07:06:53 AM
We really don't know which sister was setting us up.   If I'm not able to recreate a whole Malk, I generally arrange for Therese to survive - easier to predict and safe as long as you aren't perceived as crossing her.  She can even be nice to you. 
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Post by: Malkyjeff on May 06, 2011, 09:05:02 PM
Maxus, I love your signatures of every character you make, however there's a grammar error in your Malkavian one. The first "to" should be "too."

Yes I'm a grammar nazi, lol.
Title: Re: In the upstairs bathroom at The Asylum...
Post by: Rick Gentle on August 31, 2011, 08:47:02 PM
Eh, nevermind.
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Post by: chaoticjoy1 on September 03, 2011, 08:05:19 PM
OR MAAaAAAaaaYBE! There are just 3 toothbrushes there for the hell of it!
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Post by: Nanaloma on September 22, 2011, 09:24:00 AM
OR MAAaAAAaaaYBE! There are just 3 toothbrushes there for the hell of it!

You know --- I have had as many as three toothbrushes at the ready at times in the past.  We do seem to read a lot into the simplest things.  Good point. 
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Post by: Rick Gentle on September 22, 2011, 09:49:03 PM
But this is the World of Darkness, where it's the smallest details that you should pay attention to. They're the ones that turn out to be the creepiest, or the first clue in the long chain that leads you to realize that... vampires exist!!
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Post by: Nanaloma on September 23, 2011, 02:11:39 AM
But this is the World of Darkness, where it's the smallest details that you should pay attention to. They're the ones that turn out to be the creepiest, or the first clue in the long chain that leads you to realize that... vampires exist!!

Or a dead end:  makes it more fun that way, not really knowing, doesn't it? 
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Post by: Rick Gentle on September 23, 2011, 06:03:08 AM
That's only if the Sheriff is doing his job. And if he was doing his job properly, there'd be no need for a Sheriff, would there?
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Post by: Signothorn on October 05, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
That's only if the Sheriff is doing his job. And if he was doing his job properly, there'd be no need for a Sheriff, would there?

Who doesn't like job security?
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Post by: Rick Gentle on October 05, 2011, 10:19:43 PM
The guy whose nightly living is hunting down guys like the Serial Killer from Bloodlines?
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Post by: _username on October 06, 2011, 09:19:51 AM
Maybe there's a third personality lurking in there somewhere.  Malkavians have Obfuscate in-clan, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to say that every now and then (or maybe all the damned time) the third personality is running around unseen, collecting information for Tourette or doing something for some totally unrelated agenda.
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Post by: Rick Gentle on October 07, 2011, 09:24:50 AM
I thought that's what Bertram Tung was doing...
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Post by: Aydoo on October 07, 2011, 01:23:08 PM
Hopefully the third personality doesn't suffer from sexlexia.
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Post by: VelvetCrush on November 08, 2012, 04:22:58 AM
LOL...my first thought about that was, one for Therese, one for Jeanette, and one for Tourette combined. XD
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Post by: Rick Gentle on November 08, 2012, 06:22:35 AM
That's a really weird point at the whole dual-personality stage. Up until they confront one another in the same body (where your character gets to make the choice), they didn't know what the other was doing. But once they were both "active", they suddenly seemed to know exactly what the other had been up to - Therese knows what your character has one for Jeanette, Jeanette knows how Therese has been conspiring against her. I'm no psychologist, but I don't think that's how it usually happens.