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Title: I was wondering...
Post by: thewarsend on January 06, 2020, 02:27:45 pm
I know VTM:B uses an older version of Source engine. I also know some bugs Bloodlines 1 has cannot be fixed and many of the common Source engine features such as self-shadowing bump maps, HDR and whatnot cannot be implemented because we don't have the source code for this version of the Source engine.

What I was wondering is, could we not request the Source code from Valve? (At least assuming they still have a backup somewhere. It is their engine after all, no matter how modified it is.)

To me, it sounds like this would fix a lot of the issues if it is at all possible.

I am not saying we should do a petition or something, I am genuinely wondering.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 06, 2020, 02:47:31 pm
*Lights up the Wesp5 signal*
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wesp5 on January 06, 2020, 03:03:15 pm
What I was wondering is, could we not request the Source code from Valve?

You must be joking! Valve with their stupid "HL2 must be released first" policy was the reason that Troika went out of business in the first place. They still Bloodlines version on Steam in a state that won't work without my patch and don't care! I bet they never even got the Bloodlines source code...
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: thewarsend on January 06, 2020, 03:36:43 pm
What I was wondering is, could we not request the Source code from Valve?

You must be joking! Valve with their stupid "HL2 must be released first" policy was the reason that Troika went out of business in the first place. They still Bloodlines version on Steam in a state that won't work without my patch and don't care! I bet they never even got the Bloodlines source code...

I don't understand what got you so upset. I hope it isn't something I said. I am only asking because I don't fully understand.

I understand what Valve did was horrible, I am not defending them in any way and I fully agree with you. But there is a slight possibility they might still have the source code. Even if they don't have the Source engine code with all the Troika modifications in place, they might have the raw version they gave to Troika, which might still be helpful in some areas.

I am not saying they would help us even if they still have the code, I was just wondering about this and I thought you guys would be the best people to ask.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Nanaloma on January 07, 2020, 12:15:45 am
There have been requests in the past for the source code and the answer was no.  Valve has not behaved well in the past so, it is a sore spot. 
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wesp5 on January 07, 2020, 09:19:16 am
I don't understand what got you so upset. I hope it isn't something I said.

It's not something you said, but the behaviour of Valve. We tried to get them to at least include the memory fix into the Bloodlines version they sell but they just don't care one bit. All they want is free 30% from everything they offer regardless of the state. Long live the Epic Store to finally give them some competition ;)!
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 07, 2020, 09:49:07 am
All hail GOG :P
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: thewarsend on January 07, 2020, 12:06:46 pm
I don't understand what got you so upset. I hope it isn't something I said.

It's not something you said, but the behaviour of Valve. We tried to get them to at least include the memory fix into the Bloodlines version they sell but they just don't care one bit. All they want is free 30% from everything they offer regardless of the state. Long live the Epic Store to finally give them some competition ;)!

I didn't know. I mean, I have always known they don't give a damn and they are a bit greedy, but I didn't know they were already contacted about this.

I mean, people say Steam is better than Epic Store, but that's not a high bar in the first place, is it? They are both crappy in the end. I have a certain dislike for GOG as well, but they at least try to keep the games they sell in a working condition.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 07, 2020, 06:26:03 pm
All hail GOG :P

Yeah... fuck Epic.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wesp5 on January 07, 2020, 07:20:11 pm
All hail GOG :P

Yeah... fuck Epic.

Of course GOG is better, they actually asked me for permission to use my patch in their version to make sure it works! But obviously GOG was not competition enough for Valve. Now Epic Store is out, they even announced a new game! Although it's only for VR...
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 07, 2020, 08:04:37 pm
Of course GOG is better, they actually asked me for permission to use my patch in their version to make sure it works! But obviously GOG was not competition enough for Valve. Now Epic Store is out, they even announced a new game! Although it's only for VR...

I'm sorry but I'm yet to be convinced on the virtues of this holy competition when it comes to the clients. We're already getting several exclusivity deals for many games, in a time where we were supposed to be done with that.

Now what ? I need to have yet ANOTHER client that requires DRM and is locking games exclusively to it's platform ? I thought Steam, GOG and Origin were more than enough.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: thewarsend on January 07, 2020, 09:35:25 pm
Of course GOG is better, they actually asked me for permission to use my patch in their version to make sure it works! But obviously GOG was not competition enough for Valve. Now Epic Store is out, they even announced a new game! Although it's only for VR...

I'm sorry but I'm yet to be convinced on the virtues of this holy competition when it comes to the clients. We're already getting several exclusivity deals for many games, in a time where we were supposed to be done with that.

Now what ? I need to have yet ANOTHER client that requires DRM and is locking games exclusively to it's platform ? I thought Steam, GOG and Origin were more than enough.

Not to forget Uplay and million other clients that popped off left and right like Rockstar Games Launcher and Bethesda.net Launcher and whatnot. It looks like everyone wants a piece of the pie.

I hate it so much and so potently, it is amazing.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 07, 2020, 11:54:36 pm
I'm a GOG person myself.   I decided between STEAM and GOG, and chose the latter cause they actually care about making the games playable on modern systems.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 08, 2020, 08:46:30 am
I hate the many clients too. I currently have Steam, GOG, Origin and Uplay - that's quite enough in my opinion.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 08, 2020, 08:50:57 am
I know there is a game which uses both Uplay and steam but don't remember which LoL
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wesp5 on January 08, 2020, 09:00:32 am
I decided between STEAM and GOG, and chose the latter cause they actually care about making the games playable on modern systems.

Not only that, but GOG is the only store where you don't need a client at all! They sell the games without DRM in a way that you can store them where you want to install them offline whenever you want. The whole Galaxy client thing is completely optional...
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 08, 2020, 02:29:00 pm
I don't even know what the hell Uplay is... and I myself I'm already more than pissed at Origin for their piss poor service but what can I do if I love both Dragon Age and Mass Effect ? The worst is when they sell some games dirt cheap but ALWAYS charge you FULL PRICE for the DLC.

I mean, seriously... what is wrong with Electronic Arts ?
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 08, 2020, 02:33:10 pm
Electronic fArts
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 08, 2020, 03:18:52 pm
I decided between STEAM and GOG, and chose the latter cause they actually care about making the games playable on modern systems.

Not only that, but GOG is the only store where you don't need a client at all! They sell the games without DRM in a way that you can store them where you want to install them offline whenever you want. The whole Galaxy client thing is completely optional...
Yep, I downloaded the offline version VTMB and it works great!
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 08, 2020, 03:24:48 pm
Long live Poland baby.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 08, 2020, 03:25:36 pm
I don't even know what the hell Uplay is... and I myself I'm already more than pissed at Origin for their piss poor service but what can I do if I love both Dragon Age and Mass Effect ? The worst is when they sell some games dirt cheap but ALWAYS charge you FULL PRICE for the DLC.

I mean, seriously... what is wrong with Electronic Arts ?

I am a huge Dragon Age fan.  I bought the Dragon Age Origins from GOG, and it came with all dlc.  When I purchased Inquisiton I had to download Origin, they gave me a free copy of Dragon Age Origins but i have to buy the dlc separately.  but my favorite out of the series are Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2.  I tried to play Inquisition but after my Qunari romanced Cassandra I lost interest in the game. 

The Mass Effect games I never got into I am really bad at shooters.  The only reason why I'm good at it in VTMB is because I have high stealth, so even though I keep hitting them in the head they don't see me lol.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 08, 2020, 03:32:25 pm
The Mass Effect games I never got into I am really bad at shooters.

Give them a try someday. They are absolutely brilliant games and you will love them even more if you're already into something like Dragon Age.

*Glares at Wesp5*
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 08, 2020, 03:46:29 pm
The Mass Effect games I never got into I am really bad at shooters.

Give them a try someday. They are absolutely brilliant games and you will love them even more if you're already into something like Dragon Age.

*Glares at Wesp5*

I've been a fan of BioWare's games since the first Knights of the Old Republic.  Maybe one day I will try ME again.  The last time I played I had just recruited Wrex, Tali, and Garrus, and I really liked them as characters.  Plus since I usually play males, male Shepard annoys me for some reason.  It's the same reason why I never got into the Witcher games there's something about Geralt that annoys me.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 08, 2020, 04:15:42 pm
Plus since I usually play males, male Shepard annoys me for some reason.  It's the same reason why I never got into the Witcher games there's something about Geralt that annoys me.

Play as FemShep then. It's the voice of Bastila Shan from Kotor.

And... Geralt... annoys you ?

*slays Talyn82 with a silver sword*
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 08, 2020, 04:34:28 pm
Plus since I usually play males, male Shepard annoys me for some reason.  It's the same reason why I never got into the Witcher games there's something about Geralt that annoys me.

Play as FemShep then. It's the voice of Bastila Shan from Kotor.

And... Geralt... annoys you ?

*slays Talyn82 with a silver sword*

I have heard FemShep is better maybe I'll give her a try.  As for Geralt I don't know I like how he looks and sounds, and I like his taste in women.  But something about him bugs me.  I don't know.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 08, 2020, 04:46:09 pm
I couldn't warm up to ME too. I played the first game and the second two thirds, but then stopped. It is too shootery and the fights are so repetitive.
Although I love Geralt, just reading the books and watched the tv show, I never came around to play the games. I have the first two though, so they are definitely on my to do list.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wesp5 on January 08, 2020, 05:22:35 pm
The Mass Effect games I never got into I am really bad at shooters.

Give them a try someday. They are absolutely brilliant games and you will love them even more if you're already into something like Dragon Age.

*Glares at Wesp5*

I rarely play third person games so I never played any of the Dragon Ages and only the first Mass Effect. Which seemed like a very bad copy of "Babylon 5" to me and I was glad I didn't play the other parts when I read that they really messed up the ending!
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 08, 2020, 05:39:12 pm
But something about him bugs me.  I don't know.

It's your obvious racism against mutants. Obviously.

I rarely play third person games so I never played any of the Dragon Ages and only the first Mass Effect. Which seemed like a very bad copy of "Babylon 5" to me and I was glad I didn't play the other parts when I read that they really messed up the ending!

Nobody messed the ending of Mass Effect 3. It is an unfortunate reality that sometimes consumers feel a product is only a success (or a failure, no in-between) if it was up to their expectations. That's not how art nor entertainment is supposed to work but... alas.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wesp5 on January 08, 2020, 08:00:52 pm
Nobody messed the ending of Mass Effect 3.

Sorry, but besides the minimal differences in color only of the three endings, even what I read about them made no sense! Why kill organic lifeforms off only to prevent them being killed off by their AIs (without any option of this not happening altough this was already discussed in the game itself)? Why condemn millions of lifeforms by blowing the mass relays and destroying the whole infrastructure of the galaxy? The "Babylon 5" ending was a masterpiece compared to that mess!
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: thewarsend on January 08, 2020, 08:30:10 pm
Ending of ME3 was utter bullshit. None of your choices ended up mattering. It was an insult.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 08, 2020, 09:41:10 pm
Oh boy... *cracks knuckles*

Sorry, but besides the minimal differences in color only of the three endings, even what I read about them made no sense! Why kill organic lifeforms off only to prevent them being killed off by their AIs (without any option of this not happening altough this was already discussed in the game itself)? Why condemn millions of lifeforms by blowing the mass relays and destroying the whole infrastructure of the galaxy? The "Babylon 5" ending was a masterpiece compared to that mess!

Aside from the shallow description (color endings argument), none of what you are describing is actually happening.

For starters, did you play the game ? I'm not clear on that.

Ending of ME3 was utter bullshit. None of your choices ended up mattering. It was an insult.

Just like I said.

Nobody can just dislike something anymore. Apparently not enjoying a story in a videogame (which anyone can perfectly do) is now supposedly an "offense" and an "insult"
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 08, 2020, 11:10:56 pm
Nobody messed the ending of Mass Effect 3. It is an unfortunate reality that sometimes consumers feel a product is only a success (or a failure, no in-between) if it was up to their expectations. That's not how art nor entertainment is supposed to work but... alas.
I like Mass Effect 3 and i even like it more than Mass Effect 2 which is in my opinion overrated but Mass Effect 3 originally had problems.
Mass Effect 3 Ending aren´t the worst ending ever but they aren´t good neither.
If the free Extended Cut DLC the endings aren´t that bad anymore and acceptable. Also the "real" ending is the Citadel DLC.
But to be honest i am one of few people who hates more the beginning of Mass Effect 3 than the actual end.

Mass Effect 3 and also Dragon Age 2 are good games with problems but i play them any day before i even consider to play Dragon Age Inquisition or Mass Effect Andromeda. Andromeda was for the first time fine but its just an average game and this makes it to a bad Mass Effect game.
Dragon Age Inquisition on the other hand is one of the most boring games i have ever played.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 08, 2020, 11:20:57 pm
I like Mass Effect 3 and i even like it more than Mass Effect 2 which is in my opinion overrated but Mass Effect 3 originally had problems. Mass Effect 3 Ending aren´t the worst ending ever but they aren´t good neither. If the free Extended Cut DLC the endings aren´t that bad anymore and acceptable. Also the "real" ending is the Citadel DLC. But to be honest i am one of few people who hates more the beginning of Mass Effect 3 than the actual end.

A perfectly reasonable and decent opinion. Yeah, this is acceptable.

I would counter some of the things you mention. I personally see a lot of improvements from 2 to 3 but I guess that would merit a longer discussion. One that may not fit this topic.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on January 08, 2020, 11:24:20 pm
I would counter some of the things you mention. I personally see a lot of improvements from 2 to 3 but I guess that would merit a longer discussion. One that may not fit this topic.
Let me guess my opinion on Mass Effect 2 which isn´t a popular one?
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 12:14:55 am
Let me guess my opinion on Mass Effect 2 which isn´t a popular one?

Not that it matters at all. I think both are brilliant games for my part. I just happen to like the combat and story a lot better in 3.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 09, 2020, 02:10:37 am
I couldn't warm up to ME too. I played the first game and the second two thirds, but then stopped. It is too shootery and the fights are so repetitive.
Although I love Geralt, just reading the books and watched the tv show, I never came around to play the games. I have the first two though, so they are definitely on my to do list.

I have the first two Witcher games as well.  I got both for free from an offer on GOG.com.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 09, 2020, 02:16:41 am
Nobody messed the ending of Mass Effect 3. It is an unfortunate reality that sometimes consumers feel a product is only a success (or a failure, no in-between) if it was up to their expectations. That's not how art nor entertainment is supposed to work but... alas.
I like Mass Effect 3 and i even like it more than Mass Effect 2 which is in my opinion overrated but Mass Effect 3 originally had problems.
Mass Effect 3 Ending aren´t the worst ending ever but they aren´t good neither.
If the free Extended Cut DLC the endings aren´t that bad anymore and acceptable. Also the "real" ending is the Citadel DLC.
But to be honest i am one of few people who hates more the beginning of Mass Effect 3 than the actual end.

Mass Effect 3 and also Dragon Age 2 are good games with problems but i play them any day before i even consider to play Dragon Age Inquisition or Mass Effect Andromeda. Andromeda was for the first time fine but its just an average game and this makes it to a bad Mass Effect game.
Dragon Age Inquisition on the other hand is one of the most boring games i have ever played.

I did not enjoy Dragon Age: Inquisition once I successfully bedded Cassandra I stopped playing.  Dragon Age Origins is my favorite of the three, but I do like Dragon Age 2 and felt it got a bad rap.  I mean yeah in DA2 you're stuck in one city for ten in game years, and we do revisit the same areas.  But I liked the Hawke character.  I heard he appears in Inquisition but I never saw him.  I did see Morrigan and my Wardens kid.  Morrigan was wearing the same clothes she wore 10 years prior lol.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 03:23:05 am
I did not enjoy Dragon Age: Inquisition once I successfully bedded Cassandra I stopped playing.

If you want to see Hawke you need to push through the story, he/she will show up eventually to help you out.

As for Inquisition... sooo many problems with that game... I still think it's good but it's hard to defend many of it's faults.

I think if anything, it's a lesson on how NOT to structure sidequests on a videogame. The main storyline is utterly amazing but the rest... maker help us.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 06:15:28 am
I couldn't warm up to ME too. I played the first game and the second two thirds, but then stopped. It is too shootery and the fights are so repetitive.
Although I love Geralt, just reading the books and watched the tv show, I never came around to play the games. I have the first two though, so they are definitely on my to do list.

I have the first two Witcher games as well.  I got both for free from an offer on GOG.com.

Yeah, similar here. There were free offers from Steam and I decided to download them. Played the first ones tutorial, but then got sidetracked by Kingdoms of Amalur, another great game, with a really fun combat and leveling system.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 06:21:07 am
I really like Inquisition, I don't see any problems with it other, than that it is a really long game. Luckily, you can decide, which side quests you want to do and which not. I like the companion cast of DAI the most Tbh.
DA2 is my favorite  Dragon Age game, because I love Hawke (always play female, I prefer to play my own gender, if possible), probably my all-time favorite game protagonist, alongside female Malkavian in Bloodlines.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 09, 2020, 06:50:57 am
I really like Inquisition, I don't see any problems with it other, than that it is a really long game. Luckily, you can decide, which side quests you want to do and which not. I like the companion cast of DAI the most Tbh.
DA2 is my favorite  Dragon Age game, because I love Hawke (always play female, I prefer to play my own gender, if possible), probably my all-time favorite game protagonist, alongside female Malkavian in Bloodlines.

That's what killed Inquisition for me.  I am a completionist and the game is completionist hell.  But I did love the cast.  I love Cassandra, Varric, Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, and the necromancer I can't remember his name.  I liked all the advisers like Cullen, Josephine, of course my DAO boo's Leliana and Morrigan.  But agree as well I thought no protagonist in the DA games would come close to my precious Wardens Cousland and Amell, but Hawke is right up there with them.  I am glad I gave DA2 a try and not play it due to all the backlash it got.

Talking about Malkavians I got the final armor for the male and it's funky to say the least.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Wesp5 on January 09, 2020, 07:58:42 am
Maybe we should start a Bioware games topic here and move the discussion there!
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 09, 2020, 08:46:12 am
Maybe we should start a Bioware games topic here and move the discussion there!

Sorry about that.  I did try to bring it back on topic, by mentioning the male Malkavian's 4th armor.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 12:29:18 pm
I have to play my Nosferatu a bit more. I found a nice mod, that gives the male Nossi a tuxedo, which is great. My guy is called Mycroft Holmes and I gave him a lot of stats in the mental abilities.

My female Malkavian is called Hanna P. Lovecraft, a Hommage to the great horror writer - and somewhat fitting, giving, that the Malkavian whispers can be really creepy sometimes.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 02:11:26 pm
That's what killed Inquisition for me.  I am a completionist and the game is completionist hell.  But I did love the cast.  I love Cassandra, Varric, Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, and the necromancer I can't remember his name.  I liked all the advisers like Cullen, Josephine, of course my DAO boo's Leliana and Morrigan.  But agree as well I thought no protagonist in the DA games would come close to my precious Wardens Cousland and Amell, but Hawke is right up there with them.  I am glad I gave DA2 a try and not play it due to all the backlash it got.

So much this. There's just too many little irrelevant things that don't contribute anything to your enjoyment that eventually you just get frustrated with getting so many quests and zero payoff. Specially when it's story-wise. There's nothing in Inquisition, outside from the main story and the companion quests, that is enjoyable on a story level.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 09, 2020, 05:39:55 pm
Should we maybe open a new thread in the Offtopic section to discuss Bioware games or games in general?
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 09, 2020, 06:21:36 pm
Should we maybe open a new thread in the Offtopic section to discuss Bioware games or games in general?

Done. We may all discuss Dragon Age 4 from now until it's release................in 2031.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 09, 2020, 09:51:02 pm
Should we maybe open a new thread in the Offtopic section to discuss Bioware games or games in general?

Sure.  Is their a community section here were we could talk about anything?
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Talyn82 on January 09, 2020, 09:55:56 pm
Should we maybe open a new thread in the Offtopic section to discuss Bioware games or games in general?

Done. We may all discuss Dragon Age 4 from now until it's release................in 2031.

I was interested in the initial development of DA4, but then I heard that BioWare had to scrap the idea because EA wanted the game to have live service.  Meaning microtransactions and multiplayer.  But besides even though I know who is the true villain in Inquistion, I never completed that story.  I don't even know if the Inquisitor lives through all that?
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 09, 2020, 10:12:09 pm
Here is the Bioware section ;)

https://forums.planetvampire.com/off-topic/the-bioware-spot/
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: thewarsend on January 09, 2020, 10:45:37 pm
Here is the Bioware section ;)

https://forums.planetvampire.com/off-topic/the-bioware-spot/

Goody! Can I burn that place down in the name of the old Bioware? No? Ok then.


I have to play my Nosferatu a bit more. I found a nice mod, that gives the male Nossi a tuxedo, which is great. My guy is called Mycroft Holmes and I gave him a lot of stats in the mental abilities.

My female Malkavian is called Hanna P. Lovecraft, a Hommage to the great horror writer - and somewhat fitting, giving, that the Malkavian whispers can be really creepy sometimes.



Both of those names seem fitting somehow.

That reminds me, even after all these years I still haven't had a proper Malkavian run. I should that sometime.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 01:45:47 pm
Goody! Can I burn that place down in the name of the old Bioware?

Over my dead body son.

Anyways, vampires and stuff ? Toreador are the best clan ? Tremere are overrated ? Yes indeed.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 10, 2020, 01:49:29 pm
Toreador 4 unlife haha :)
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 10, 2020, 04:43:47 pm
Goody! Can I burn that place down in the name of the old Bioware?

Over my dead body son.

Mine too :)

Anyways, vampires and stuff ? Toreador are the best clan ? Tremere are overrated ? Yes indeed.

Nope and kind of nope. For me, Malkavians, Gangrel, Tzimisce and Ravnos are the best with honourable mentions to the Nosferatu. I in fact think  Toreadors are overrated. Tremere have great abilities, but the pyramid thing is kind of a turnoff for me . I'm kind of glad, the pyramid was destroyed in the new timeline
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 05:58:09 pm
Nope and kind of nope. For me, Malkavians, Gangrel, Tzimisce and Ravnos are the best with honourable mentions to the Nosferatu. I in fact think  Toreadors are overrated. Tremere have great abilities, but the pyramid thing is kind of a turnoff for me . I'm kind of glad, the pyramid was destroyed in the new timeline

I was speaking in gameplay terms from BL1. Nothing beats Celerity to me. The Tremere spells sort of clutter your ability to fight against other enemies in the game.

Still, I think your perspective is a little skewed when it comes to Toreadors. They aren't "Twilight vampires" but more like "Anne Rice vampires". If you'd like to see badass Toreadors seducing people and then tearing them apart, then check out True Blood. That's also another bunch of great Toreador vampires.

Also, what does it matter to have the best blood magic when you can have the entirety of kine at your fingertips ? *evil laughter*
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 10, 2020, 10:41:19 pm
I hate True Blood - with passion. Those characters are so badly written... and to me it is Twilight with more gore. Not really something to endear Toreadors to me. Anne Rice I liked back in the days, but nowadays Lestat, Louis and friends are a bit too emo and whiny for me. I think, Anne Rice is partly the reason, vampire stories are mostly romances, which I don't think fits. I liked Let the right one in though, which is kind of a romance, but very unusual and with many dark themes.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 10, 2020, 11:13:10 pm
I hate True Blood - with passion. Those characters are so badly written...

Girl... Alan Ball is already a pretty damn good writer. Might want to check out a little something called Six Feet Under.

I will admit though that True Blood did take a massive nosedive after the first two seasons. Shame.

Now that we're talking about this... I'm reminded of this little movie by Jim Jarmusch called "Only Lovers Left Alive" that one of the BL2 developers mentioned as being "the most Toreador vampire movie you'll see" (paraphrasing). I can certainly be witness to the developer's statement, great movie.

and to me it is Twilight with more gore.

But... how tho ? Nothing that the Twilight vampires do even resembles Toreadors. Okay... both are pretty ? Check... what else ?

See... to me Toreador vampires are the closest to what "actual vampires" are in real life. There's people out there that are incredibly adept at manipulating and seducing others while taking everything that is precious to them. The horror comes from where these predators may hit: they may appeal to your need for friendship or even love; they exploit vulnerabilities and destroy both the minds and the emotions of others, sometimes because it gives them a rush of pleasure and in ways that can sometimes traumatically hurt their victims. The damage to a person whose trust lies broken on the floor is unbelievably destructive; many times impossible to repair.

That kind of monster, which is exactly what it is, scares me far more than some untanned goblin running around in the sewers (still love you nossies).

Also... Celerity.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 11, 2020, 06:10:57 am
We will probably never agree about clans. I simply don't agree with you about them. Since we already had the Torrie - Yay or nay discussion back then, I leave it at that.
And Brujah have Celerity too, so no reason to play a Torrie ;)

And no, True Blood wasn't well written, I agree, that they did hold it together for the first two seasons, but then the character motivations completely went bats hit crazy.
Six Feet under was a completely different league imo.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 11, 2020, 01:54:42 pm
We will probably never agree about clans. I simply don't agree with you about them. Since we already had the Torrie - Yay or nay discussion back then, I leave it at that. And Brujah have Celerity too, so no reason to play a Torrie ;)

Well we both like Tzimisce. Hopefully one day we might get to officially play one.

And speaking of the Brujah I do play as them in BL1, really like the female character model. Slightly dissapointing that the potence discipline doesn't work very well, whereas in BL2 it looks very promising.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: fylimar on January 11, 2020, 05:14:27 pm
We will probably never agree about clans. I simply don't agree with you about them. Since we already had the Torrie - Yay or nay discussion back then, I leave it at that. And Brujah have Celerity too, so no reason to play a Torrie ;)

Well we both like Tzimisce. Hopefully one day we might get to officially play one.

And speaking of the Brujah I do play as them in BL1, really like the female character model. Slightly dissapointing that the potence discipline doesn't work very well, whereas in BL2 it looks very promising.

Then we really agree there. And yes, I do like the female Brujah too. She looks kind of natural.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: thewarsend on January 14, 2020, 09:37:00 am
Then we really agree there. And yes, I do like the female Brujah too. She looks kind of natural.

I agree. Female Brujah looks great.

By the way, I always disliked how the Brujah male looked. If female Brujah looks natural, male Brujah looks equally unnatural. He looks less like a muscular vampire and more like a mix between a gorilla and balloon fish. I suppose most of my complaints stems from his idle animation, it just looks weird. It seems he never learned about stuff like proper posture and all that.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 14, 2020, 10:24:49 am
Since I had the game back in 2004 I wanted to make justice to male brujahs. Funny how it ended up as only one of the last of my reskins....
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 01:58:46 pm
Since I had the game back in 2004 I wanted to make justice to male brujahs. Funny how it ended up as only one of the last of my reskins....

Pics or gtfo
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 14, 2020, 02:20:18 pm
(https://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/182/181812/thumb_620x2000/FY.jpg)
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 03:10:28 pm
(https://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/182/181812/thumb_620x2000/FY.jpg)

Awesome possum. My favorite is probably the third one with the belt buckle.

Do you guys know of any mods for Toreador clothing or armor ? I only use Tier 2 armor in the game because, ironically, Toreador apparel is quite shitty at 3 and 4.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 14, 2020, 06:25:46 pm
The 3rd one isn't that bad, the 4th is really hideous
That's why I did also this:
(https://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/183/182989/thumb_620x2000/Toreador_Male.jpg)
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 14, 2020, 06:40:30 pm
Well that's an improvement for sure. Certainly far better than standard 4... so horrible.
Title: Re: I was wondering...
Post by: Barabbah on January 15, 2020, 07:45:01 am
:smile:
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