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Offline thewarsend

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I was wondering...
« on: January 06, 2020, 02:27:45 pm »
I know VTM:B uses an older version of Source engine. I also know some bugs Bloodlines 1 has cannot be fixed and many of the common Source engine features such as self-shadowing bump maps, HDR and whatnot cannot be implemented because we don't have the source code for this version of the Source engine.

What I was wondering is, could we not request the Source code from Valve? (At least assuming they still have a backup somewhere. It is their engine after all, no matter how modified it is.)

To me, it sounds like this would fix a lot of the issues if it is at all possible.

I am not saying we should do a petition or something, I am genuinely wondering.

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2020, 02:47:31 pm »
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2020, 03:03:15 pm »
What I was wondering is, could we not request the Source code from Valve?

You must be joking! Valve with their stupid "HL2 must be released first" policy was the reason that Troika went out of business in the first place. They still Bloodlines version on Steam in a state that won't work without my patch and don't care! I bet they never even got the Bloodlines source code...

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2020, 03:36:43 pm »
What I was wondering is, could we not request the Source code from Valve?

You must be joking! Valve with their stupid "HL2 must be released first" policy was the reason that Troika went out of business in the first place. They still Bloodlines version on Steam in a state that won't work without my patch and don't care! I bet they never even got the Bloodlines source code...

I don't understand what got you so upset. I hope it isn't something I said. I am only asking because I don't fully understand.

I understand what Valve did was horrible, I am not defending them in any way and I fully agree with you. But there is a slight possibility they might still have the source code. Even if they don't have the Source engine code with all the Troika modifications in place, they might have the raw version they gave to Troika, which might still be helpful in some areas.

I am not saying they would help us even if they still have the code, I was just wondering about this and I thought you guys would be the best people to ask.

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2020, 12:15:45 am »
There have been requests in the past for the source code and the answer was no.  Valve has not behaved well in the past so, it is a sore spot. 

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2020, 09:19:16 am »
I don't understand what got you so upset. I hope it isn't something I said.

It's not something you said, but the behaviour of Valve. We tried to get them to at least include the memory fix into the Bloodlines version they sell but they just don't care one bit. All they want is free 30% from everything they offer regardless of the state. Long live the Epic Store to finally give them some competition ;)!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2020, 09:31:50 am by Wesp5 »

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2020, 09:49:07 am »
All hail GOG :P
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2020, 12:06:46 pm »
I don't understand what got you so upset. I hope it isn't something I said.

It's not something you said, but the behaviour of Valve. We tried to get them to at least include the memory fix into the Bloodlines version they sell but they just don't care one bit. All they want is free 30% from everything they offer regardless of the state. Long live the Epic Store to finally give them some competition ;)!

I didn't know. I mean, I have always known they don't give a damn and they are a bit greedy, but I didn't know they were already contacted about this.

I mean, people say Steam is better than Epic Store, but that's not a high bar in the first place, is it? They are both crappy in the end. I have a certain dislike for GOG as well, but they at least try to keep the games they sell in a working condition.

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2020, 06:26:03 pm »

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2020, 07:20:11 pm »
All hail GOG :P

Yeah... fuck Epic.

Of course GOG is better, they actually asked me for permission to use my patch in their version to make sure it works! But obviously GOG was not competition enough for Valve. Now Epic Store is out, they even announced a new game! Although it's only for VR...
« Last Edit: January 07, 2020, 07:23:25 pm by Wesp5 »

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2020, 08:04:37 pm »
Of course GOG is better, they actually asked me for permission to use my patch in their version to make sure it works! But obviously GOG was not competition enough for Valve. Now Epic Store is out, they even announced a new game! Although it's only for VR...

I'm sorry but I'm yet to be convinced on the virtues of this holy competition when it comes to the clients. We're already getting several exclusivity deals for many games, in a time where we were supposed to be done with that.

Now what ? I need to have yet ANOTHER client that requires DRM and is locking games exclusively to it's platform ? I thought Steam, GOG and Origin were more than enough.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2020, 08:06:26 pm by Highwayman667 »

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2020, 09:35:25 pm »
Of course GOG is better, they actually asked me for permission to use my patch in their version to make sure it works! But obviously GOG was not competition enough for Valve. Now Epic Store is out, they even announced a new game! Although it's only for VR...

I'm sorry but I'm yet to be convinced on the virtues of this holy competition when it comes to the clients. We're already getting several exclusivity deals for many games, in a time where we were supposed to be done with that.

Now what ? I need to have yet ANOTHER client that requires DRM and is locking games exclusively to it's platform ? I thought Steam, GOG and Origin were more than enough.

Not to forget Uplay and million other clients that popped off left and right like Rockstar Games Launcher and Bethesda.net Launcher and whatnot. It looks like everyone wants a piece of the pie.

I hate it so much and so potently, it is amazing.

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2020, 11:54:36 pm »
I'm a GOG person myself.   I decided between STEAM and GOG, and chose the latter cause they actually care about making the games playable on modern systems.
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2020, 08:46:30 am »
I hate the many clients too. I currently have Steam, GOG, Origin and Uplay - that's quite enough in my opinion.
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2020, 08:50:57 am »
I know there is a game which uses both Uplay and steam but don't remember which LoL
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