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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2018, 01:58:31 PM »
There's a quite a lot of, say, elements in this game that does not make any sense or worse, I could go on an on on that topic, and actually did it before, many times attracting the certain kind of attention, but these particular clan names aren't one of them, by the virtue of strong connection to pop culture and farther. If it's possible to guess the whole essence from a clan name, Torries alike, such a name could be certainly considered appropriate objectively, in other words, by a clear set of criteria, not just out of subjective nostalgia.

Clan names, like human names, are of no influence on the story or gameplay, so it's really strange to choose them as a target like there's nothing else to critique. For instance, the mentioned Tremere propaganda that was somehow magically bought by the people who distrust them worth more words that you already typed on hardly relevant cosmetics. That is exactly an example of nonsense.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2018, 06:30:37 PM »
There's a quite a lot of, say, elements in this game that does not make any sense or worse, I could go on an on on that topic, and actually did it before, many times attracting the certain kind of attention, but these particular clan names aren't one of them, by the virtue of strong connection to pop culture and farther. If it's possible to guess the whole essence from a clan name, Torries alike, such a name could be certainly considered appropriate objectively, in other words, by a clear set of criteria, not just out of subjective nostalgia.

Clan names, like human names, are of no influence on the story or gameplay, so it's really strange to choose them as a target like there's nothing else to critique. For instance, the mentioned Tremere propaganda that was somehow magically bought by the people who distrust them worth more words that you already typed on hardly relevant cosmetics. That is exactly an example of nonsense.
An excellent point.

I criticize the names because they are so iconic and because since I google linguistics for recreation I find them easy to amend. The fact that I couldn’t find a hint of the toreador symbolism only you told me about it and provided a source suggests to me that it is not accessible to the average person. World of Darkness was actually my first introduction to many of these words, such a diablerie. I kind of dislike World of Darkness because now I cannot read these words in a dictionary without remembering their (usually completely unrelated) WoD connotations.

The toreador symbolism you described is the sort of thing that belongs in the clan biography. It makes vastly more sense that most of the official explanations for the names given over the years.

Criticizing the extensive history of the fictional world requires crossreferencing dozens of books written since 1991. That is much more intensive and I largely gave up on it years ago. It resulted in too many arguments with toxic people, especially with regards to my criticisms of Werewolf’s disturbing moral worldview that most fans don’t seem to understand was at one point intended to be morally ambiguous at best.

I thought CoD initially fixed some of my criticisms of WoD, but it ended up making its own mistakes and now an omnipotent retard is the main villain. The lore is just something I prefer to avoid touching whether it’s WoD or CoD. The fact that CoD falsely advertises itself as a toolkit is just the tip of the iceberg.

I’m typing this on my phone so excuse the lack detailed analysis.

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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2018, 05:33:26 AM »
The toreador symbolism you described is the sort of thing that belongs in the clan biography. It makes vastly more sense that most of the official explanations for the names given over the years.
I bet the original devs thought that no extra explanation is required for such an obvious reference, or an explanation would spoil the atmosphere, but they aren't around anymore, the current team not only has little to nothing to do with them, but so alienated that are incapable of defending even well-thought former choices.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2018, 12:14:56 PM »
The toreador symbolism you described is the sort of thing that belongs in the clan biography. It makes vastly more sense that most of the official explanations for the names given over the years.
I bet the original devs thought that no extra explanation is required for such an obvious reference, or an explanation would spoil the atmosphere, but they aren't around anymore, the current team not only has little to nothing to do with them, but so alienated that are incapable of defending even well-thought former choices.

The reasoning behind the name is simple in my opinion... the Torries are a clan of deception, they lure in the bull only to slip aside and over again until, of course, the bull gores them since no show can go on forever.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2018, 03:01:12 AM »
Bull fighters end up killing the bulls after tormenting them for a while. 

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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2018, 04:54:38 PM »
Bull fighters end up killing the bulls after tormenting them for a while.

Provided that the bull doesn't gore them before that. :)
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2018, 01:11:21 PM »
In any case, I do not understand why anyone would be resistant to correcting grammatically incorrect names or providing context for why clans/bloodlines have the names they have. Within reason, of course.

For example, the new explanation behind the Ahrimanes’ name is a convoluted retcon. Although I doubt this last part is too important, it breaks a number of fan theories floating around (like them being related to the Lhiannan, who may themselves be related to the Tzimisce, etc).

Speaking of which, there is a huge amount of bloodline bloat in both WoD and CoD.

 

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