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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2018, 06:28:21 PM »
I've always thought Bishop Vick is a Brujah :P
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2018, 08:15:11 AM »
I've always thought Bishop Vick is a Brujah :P
Could be both until we know if he has "true seeing"/auspex or not. And his using a gun makes Toreador more plausible.

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For Tourette you should add anarch if Jeannette survives.
I'd consider Beckett as independent

And for the Nosferatu's camalilla loyality, well...
As Bertram says: "I'm loyal to my clan, loyal to my primogen, and therefore loyal to the camarilla." A very decisive statement. Especially since we know how loyal the primogen is.

For the sabbat. Why would there be more than Andrei and some minions? Just as the cam, they have only moved in after the war between the anarchs and the Kuey Jin. And while the cam has recruited some of the surviving anarchs, I doubt many would join the sabbat.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2018, 02:53:09 PM »
I've always thought Bishop Vick is a Brujah :P
Could be both until we know if he has "true seeing"/auspex or not. And his using a gun makes Toreador more plausible.

Not necessarily. Brujah still love guns. Just about every illustration of Brujah Archon Theo Bell shows him with a shotgun.



As Jack says, "a shotgun to the head -- those things can smart, let me tell you."

I've always taken him to be a Toreador but there's no reason he can't be Brujah.

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For Tourette you should add anarch if Jeannette survives.
I'd consider Beckett as independent

Jeanette and Therese are both Anarch, with Therese gunning to join the Camarilla, but the Camarilla don't last. Jeanette and Therese continue to be Anarchs canonically.

Beckett straight-up tells you, if you ask him, that he's not Camarilla, Anarch, or Sabbat. "Independent" usually refers to one of the non-sect aligned clans (Assamites, Giovanni, Ravnos, Followers of Set), while the term "autarkis" is more typically reserved for people who, like Beckett, try to stay out of sects and their politics altogether. But for the purposes of a chart like this, Independent works fine.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2018, 09:02:45 PM »
Technically Therese/Tourette are anarchs, being appointed the title of Baroness (an anarch title)....
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2018, 09:42:37 PM »
Technically Therese/Tourette are anarchs, being appointed the title of Baroness (an anarch title)....

I believe the title is simply Baron, like with Prince, I'm pretty sure they only use the male form even if the holder is female.

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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2018, 03:24:11 AM »
Technically Therese/Tourette are anarchs, being appointed the title of Baroness (an anarch title)....

I believe the title is simply Baron, like with Prince, I'm pretty sure they only use the male form even if the holder is female.

Yes... and no.

In general terms, yes, the title is "Baron" or "Prince" or whatever and applies to men and women equally.

However, individual leaders or rulers might insist on different titles entirely. If someone wants to call himself an Emperor, as long a he has the power to enforce the title and keep his position, he can call himself whatever he wants.

So there are some who might prefer to use "Baroness" or "Princess" or another term. Therese specifically continues to use Baron, although she does use baroness as part of her computer password, as I recall.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2018, 08:48:21 AM »
Technically Therese/Tourette are anarchs, being appointed the title of Baroness (an anarch title)....
What do you mean, appointed the title? As an anarch, she just claims domain without having to ask permission from some elders, like a Camarilla prince has to do. So there is noone to bestow the title.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2018, 09:43:16 AM »
Ah ok. When you mentioned Therese/Tourette I remembered she said she become officially baroness while forgetting she also said she officially sided with the Camarilla  :rofl: that was one ambiguous detail
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2018, 01:21:48 PM »
Ah ok. When you mentioned Therese/Tourette I remembered she said she become officially baroness while forgetting she also said she officially sided with the Camarilla  :rofl: that was one ambiguous detail

Funny! I guess you saved both sisters in their quest, so each had her own part in this ;)

IanW thanks for the info!
As for reasons why I've counted The Sect leader among Brujah is, well, he looks brujaish and not nearly like a Torrie. I also remember a picture or two of fan-made art of Smiling Jack, also with gun. So even if Torrie's Auspex would be more powerfull in combo with Celerity and maybe Brujah should keep to brutal melee with a Potence... then still they won't. They're that much rebel.  8)

Also, if the Leader'd be a Brujah, it made nice triangle. Three clans (bloodlines) in the Circle of the 9. Nossie, Torrie and Brujah. As I feel since playing the Redemption, Brujah are more or less natural leaders gathering others around them easily, fighting for some idealistic cause. At least Christoph was like that. Sure, Circle9 sheme is definitely a dark, twisted kind of idealistic plan, but still. It's world of darkness, and "ideal world" in view of some vampires surely can be dark.
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2018, 01:26:42 PM »
Honestly those 3 are so tripped in their selfcult I am surprised they're not malks
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2018, 03:00:37 PM »
Honestly those 3 are so tripped in their selfcult I am surprised they're not malks
Maybe they are...
Obfuscate 3, Mask of a thousand faces, for Kanker, and it's not unheard of for vampires to learn other than their clan's diciplines.  :taunt:
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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2018, 01:43:26 PM »
I have no proof that Bishop Vick is Toreador, or otherwise. Don't remember if he saw through Obfuscate last time I tried. That could potentially mean Auspex is in use. Anyhow, Toreador would be a fitting clan for him, if you ask me. He strikes me as an artsy-type and rookie philosopher, much like Jezebel. Meanwhile, Brujah's ideals and causes are more down-to-earth, no-nonsense stuff. Just my impression though.

I wouldn't object against writing down Tourette as an Anarch. In fact, the argument could be made both ways - it all boils down to "flirting with Camarilla, but Anarch inclined". Similarly with Beckett, he really doesn't put much stock into sects (touche), but probably respects seven traditions and follows the same/similar path as Cammy vampires  :vampsmile:

Oh, and Nosferatus? They are Camarilla for sure, if you ask me. Certainly they don't love the organization - who does? - but they see it a reasonable compromise. What's more, they contribute to Camarilla's success, both in lore and the game itself. Plus I don't think it's that common for Nossies to show Camarilla a finger, even if they are reluctant.

Malkav asked why would there be more Sabbat types than Andrei and his minions. Well, I imagine the Sabbat is a potent force in power struggle for southern California. No way they are led by one Elder/Ancilla type who succumbs to PC like a damp rag, TWICE. I mean, even Bishop Vick has all the tools to mop the floor with Andrei (as presented). If the Sabbat are really be a nuisance for Camarilla, they could just dispatch a single, somewhat competent agent to mow down those hordes without breaking a sw...

Oh, wait.

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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2018, 05:50:21 PM »
Bishop Vick comes off as a Toreador to me. I think its unfair to blame anything that could be considered mad on the Malkavians but then that's a problem you get when you make a whole Clan based around madness, they get blamed for everything remotely mad.

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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2018, 10:24:30 PM »
Bishop Vick comes off as a Toreador to me.

I agree to that. But I would be more curious if he is supposed to be a Sabbat Bishop, you know like the title! Troika must have known about this and I think a coincidence is unlikely. IanW, can you imagine this?

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Re: How many vampires dwell in L.A.?
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2018, 06:46:53 AM »
Bishop Vick comes off as a Toreador to me.

I agree to that. But I would be more curious if he is supposed to be a Sabbat Bishop, you know like the title! Troika must have known about this and I think a coincidence is unlikely. IanW, can you imagine this?

I don't think he's intended to be Sabbat, despite the title.

The Sabbat are an an apocalyptic cult, but they believe they're the only ones suited to stopping it: they destroyed their own Antediluvians (Lasombra and Tzimisce), and are prepared to continue to destroy the rest.

A nickname the Sabbat have given themselves is the Sword of Caine: when Gehenna arrives, they are the instruments Caine will use to destroy the Antediluvians. They believe then they will finally be free of the manipulations of the eldest, and will reign unchallenged over humanity, in servitude to Caine. This is one reason they prefer the older term "Cainite" instead of the "Kindred" that the Camarilla and Anarchs use. The Camarilla -- at least, officially -- doesn't even believe that the Antediluvians exist, and so to the Sabbat that means the Camarilla are clueless pawns of the Antediluvians, and thus, the enemy.

Bishop Vick, on the other hand, says "Gehenna? Judgment Day? The Apocalypse? Again, brother, you are too indoctrinated into the antiquated beliefs of this material world. There is no rhyme or reason, no all-powerful and terrible gods who watch over their children." That doesn't sound like he believes in the coming Gehenna, or in the Antediluvians. If he's a Sabbat, he's not a very good one. He'd probably be considered heretical. The Sabbat has their own team of "Inquisitors" who would probably have exterminated him before the PC got there.

Nah, I think he's just a member of a cult who used "bishop" as a religious term to lend authority to his ramblings, like a lot of cults.
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