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Re: Favorite Quest and Why
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2017, 03:56:56 AM »
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In my opinion, the deal with Chinatown is unused potential and the same goes for Downtown. Santa Monica and Hollywood on the other hand seem "balanced" in terms of quest amounts and space that they are stretched across. If you look closer at the sheer numbers of "accessible" buildings in Downtown, you will find a great disparage if you make a comparison with those that are not: for example, Empire Arms is practically empty and I get a feeling that many other locations are only at their half of potential. I do not want to sound selfish, but there could be more in them.
Chinatown would be a whole lot interesting if there would have been a slightly bigger variety of enemies, particularly the Kuei since I cannot make out honestly who are you fighting in the ending: they are all practically ordinary Chinamen (with big damage soak though ;) ) and what were supposed to be the actual Kuei display no special powers. I guess that the time frame took here Troika down...
It also seems like Chinatown is smaller and more cramped than the other hubs. There was only one main quest involving Chinatown, and that was basically to just rush through it to find Barabus and get out to never see it again before the end sequences. Also, good point about buildings in other hubs too. There's rooms in Empire Arms that seem like there's supposed to be a quest there (I'm thinking of that music room behind the stage in particular), but just aren't used. Skyline has unused areas as well.

Probably the weirdest part about Chinatown that I don't see discussed often is the fact that Chinatown is referred to by Mercurio as being the most dangerous part of L.A even more so than Downtown or Hollywood, and it'd make sense because the Kuei-Jin took it by force from the Anarchs. Shouldn't any cainite who travels there be beset by Kuei-Jin in the shadows? Especially if that cainite, the PC has had dealings with the Anarchs. You would think you might see vampire and Kuei-Jin duels in dark alleys or elsewhere. Chinatown's probably the most tame of all the hubs. And like mentioned, there's only 3 actual Kuei-Jin you face in the whole game! That's part of the reason I don't like the Chinatown temple level, you're slashing through a bunch of humans the whole time.
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Re: Favorite Quest and Why
« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2017, 08:04:08 AM »
Probably the weirdest part about Chinatown that I don't see discussed often is the fact that Chinatown is referred to by Mercurio as being the most dangerous part of L.A even more so than Downtown or Hollywood, and it'd make sense because the Kuei-Jin took it by force from the Anarchs. Shouldn't any cainite who travels there be beset by Kuei-Jin in the shadows? Especially if that cainite, the PC has had dealings with the Anarchs. You would think you might see vampire and Kuei-Jin duels in dark alleys or elsewhere. Chinatown's probably the most tame of all the hubs. And like mentioned, there's only 3 actual Kuei-Jin you face in the whole game! That's part of the reason I don't like the Chinatown temple level, you're slashing through a bunch of humans the whole time.

I think that the best way to remedy that would be the sporadic encounters with the Kuei throughout the hub, but again, the relatively small size of Chinatown as a hub would pose a slight problem: every fight would be a potential masquerade and criminal violation and it would make Chinatown a battlefield. The only potential solution to this would be to expand it, but frankly, I don't know if that's possible to do considering the age of the game and its engine.
Other than that, you can go with the sewers, but I do not know if that approach would be expedient: I doubt that the Kuei have patrols in the sewer system, but again, it is a possible solution.
Another one is to open up buildings in which fights of that character could "burst" like the one in the dinner back in Santa Monica - that would keep in character with Mercurio's view and make Chinatown a place that could "last longer" and not be a rush like you said FleshArtist. ;)
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Re: Favorite Quest and Why
« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2017, 03:33:52 PM »
Hm, I don't think there would be open fighting. There is a cease fire after all because both sides need to regroup after the initial fighting.
But I'd sxpect to find someone like the sweeper in Hollywood to send you to the temple when you first arrive. And perhaps some watchers on the fire escapes around the buildings. Maybe one or two of them could get you into a fight...
And I agree there should be some real Kuey Jin in the temple when you arrive for the endgame.
Of course you might run into some Tong even before you go against them in the course of the main quest. After all most people do the Traffic quest.
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Re: Favorite Quest and Why
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2017, 08:19:25 PM »
And I agree there should be some real Kuey Jin in the temple when you arrive for the endgame.

I already added an unused Chang brothers model to the second map for the plus patch, but I just noticed I have made him a human as well. While I don't want to replicate the Chang brothers with their effects there, for the next patch I gave him at least the jumping powers of the Kathayan in SM :)!

 

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