Talyn: I doubt that VV is sincere, it's calculation on her part - 'Let's get the fledgling to do my dirty work'. I was really rude a few times to her and it is interesting, how her mask slips then. But nowadays I'm being nice to get the photo and sell it for good money.
yeah, but Kiki is a teenager, she has room to change still, so I don't mind her too much.
You're most likely right. She does get me to kill the hunter and tries to get me to kill Julius. Aside from the hunter I don't kill Julius I just tell him to get out of town. It's just since I never played the table top rpg I don't know how Toreador should be like.It's like LaCroix who Malkav mentions above. Most VTMB fans say LaCroix does not make a good Ventrue due to his childish tantrums when he doesn't get his way. I agree with the tantrums. But I think just by the way he carries himself and the way he talks with his snotty attitude. To me he's just another corporate asshole with an overinflated ego which imo fit the Ventrue clan.
Quote from: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 07:59:55 pmYou're most likely right. She does get me to kill the hunter and tries to get me to kill Julius. Aside from the hunter I don't kill Julius I just tell him to get out of town. It's just since I never played the table top rpg I don't know how Toreador should be like.It's like LaCroix who Malkav mentions above. Most VTMB fans say LaCroix does not make a good Ventrue due to his childish tantrums when he doesn't get his way. I agree with the tantrums. But I think just by the way he carries himself and the way he talks with his snotty attitude. To me he's just another corporate asshole with an overinflated ego which imo fit the Ventrue clan.VV gets nothing from "manipulating" the fledgling though.I think the point about her character is that anyone can be reasonably cautious and scared to deal with her, but in the end it turns out that her goals were honest and she is the kind of kindred that somehow finds it in her cold, dead heart... to care for others, even for the fledgling himself/herself
She does gain in that there is one less hunter in Hollywood, and the Masquerade is kept. I just don't know how a Toreador is supposed to act. I know that they are into high society and the finer things in life like art and good wine. But personality wise I don't know. Ash does not care whether he lives or dies. Isaac like I said is old school Hollywood and all business. Bishop Vick was insane. VV to me seems to fit that delicate facade the female Toreador most likely use for seduction. I just don't know. Other than that I have no problem with her. At least she's better than Ash.
Quote from: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 09:03:01 pmShe does gain in that there is one less hunter in Hollywood, and the Masquerade is kept. I just don't know how a Toreador is supposed to act. I know that they are into high society and the finer things in life like art and good wine. But personality wise I don't know. Ash does not care whether he lives or dies. Isaac like I said is old school Hollywood and all business. Bishop Vick was insane. VV to me seems to fit that delicate facade the female Toreador most likely use for seduction. I just don't know. Other than that I have no problem with her. At least she's better than Ash.The toreador is the vampire that deals most closely with mortals, and because they spend so much time with them they know them better than most.BUT... a toreador knows a mortal like a wolf knows a sheep ... so eventually they learn to hone their skills to trick and manipulate mortals into becoming even more willing prey.
About VV: She does get something from the fledgling: They do the dirty work for her and she can stay hidden, if things go south. Might be a clever move, but I love to be Miss Smartypants and call her out about it. She really doesn't like that.
I also don't like Ash that much. He might be well written in his charcaterization, but he is so getting on my nerves with his 'I can end it now'-bullshit. And then you have to save him twice. One time, I just left him in his cage, I was so fed up with him.
A Toreador on Sabbat side can be worse than the most torture hungry Tzimisce, since they consider torture an art ... just saying. I once played a Toreador in CQM and sided with Andrei. She had a conversation with him about his creations being the most beautiful art - she really went full dark side. That was fun.About VV: She does get something from the fledgling: They do the dirty work for her and she can stay hidden, if things go south. Might be a clever move, but I love to be Miss Smartypants and call her out about it. She really doesn't like that.Both Bishop Vic and Jezebel Locke from that cult are Toreador and they use their abilities well. Jezebel with seduction (Hannah), Vic with sheer presence.Btw: I also don't like Ash that much. He might be well written in his charcaterization, but he is so getting on my nerves with his 'I can end it now'-bullshit. And then you have to save him twice. One time, I just left him in his cage, I was so fed up with him.
I always Quote from: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 10:56:28 pmA Toreador on Sabbat side can be worse than the most torture hungry Tzimisce, since they consider torture an art ... just saying. I once played a Toreador in CQM and sided with Andrei. She had a conversation with him about his creations being the most beautiful art - she really went full dark side. That was fun.About VV: She does get something from the fledgling: They do the dirty work for her and she can stay hidden, if things go south. Might be a clever move, but I love to be Miss Smartypants and call her out about it. She really doesn't like that.Both Bishop Vic and Jezebel Locke from that cult are Toreador and they use their abilities well. Jezebel with seduction (Hannah), Vic with sheer presence.Btw: I also don't like Ash that much. He might be well written in his charcaterization, but he is so getting on my nerves with his 'I can end it now'-bullshit. And then you have to save him twice. One time, I just left him in his cage, I was so fed up with him.I always assumed Vick was a Brujha.
OK; he just seemed more Brujha to me in his reactions and, of course, having celerity. Sometimes it's hard to tell :) .