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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #90 on: July 12, 2020, 12:07:41 pm »
Well tbh LaCroix is not that well written Prince. Ist hardly typical Camarilla venture Prince. Also its a bit too grotesque. He acts like he was parodied Camarilla's ideas. Prince Panhard from Coteries of New York was deeper Prince for me on example

Straus, Nines, Jack, Janette and much others Bloodlines characters are masterpieces, but LaCroix is very plastic
I completely agree that Lacroix is neither a typical nor a good prince. But the character is well written.
If you're looking for stereotypical, better look at Strauss. Basically the guy has two statements: "I serve my clan and the camarilla" and "If shit happens blame the anarchs". Everything else he sais is plattitudes.
Jack isn't much better in the range of his opinions, but at least he brings a bit of passion and colourful language into it.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #91 on: July 12, 2020, 03:42:43 pm »
Well tbh LaCroix is not that well written Prince. Ist hardly typical Camarilla venture Prince. Also its a bit too grotesque. He acts like he was parodied Camarilla's ideas. Prince Panhard from Coteries of New York was deeper Prince for me on example

Straus, Nines, Jack, Janette and much others Bloodlines characters are masterpieces, but LaCroix is very plastic
I completely agree that Lacroix is neither a typical nor a good prince. But the character is well written.
If you're looking for stereotypical, better look at Strauss. Basically the guy has two statements: "I serve my clan and the camarilla" and "If shit happens blame the anarchs". Everything else he sais is plattitudes.
Jack isn't much better in the range of his opinions, but at least he brings a bit of passion and colourful language into it.


Idk is Max typical character, I would say he is a bit untypical with his involment in local buisness. In my opinion Tremere regent has more to do with silent clan problems, while daddy max looks that he ssomehow care about local kindred society. He is even a bit worried about childish anarchs (thats sweet). About LaCroix, one defect of his as a person in that story that he becomes predictable with time :( there where two moments he suprised me in fact, and one was on the begining with influence of Nines
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #92 on: July 12, 2020, 09:34:42 pm »
Really!  I think we military members of the time had better insight then the general public did.  He was a manipulating, lying, SOB who's only care was for power.  A shame that GW was the only choice to end his reign of corruption as he was nearly as bad.  But yeah, the similarities with LaCroix are unmistakable.   Clinton was the model used; that much is painfully obvious. 

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #93 on: July 13, 2020, 01:59:37 am »
Clinton was the model used; that much is painfully obvious.


Could you please elaborate ?


I just don't see it. At all.

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #94 on: July 13, 2020, 10:14:29 pm »
Clinton was the model used; that much is painfully obvious.


Could you please elaborate ?


I just don't see it. At all.


Me too. Butafter googling Bill Clinton I think there is something about it. I guess LaCroix is just typical human politican in kindred society
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #95 on: July 14, 2020, 02:59:13 am »
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Clinton was the model used; that much is painfully obvious.


Could you please elaborate ?


I just don't see it. At all.
Interesting; I noticed the close similarity the first time I played the game.  I'm mean really, WJC's corruption has been heavily documented - there are multiple books on it and anyone living through his Presidency had to notice (well, if they were old enough at the time).  His home state even debarred him due to corrupt practices.  Really, I'm not interested in writing another book :)

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #96 on: July 14, 2020, 03:11:37 am »
Interesting; I noticed the close similarity the first time I played the game.  I'm mean really, WJC's corruption has been heavily documented - there are multiple books on it and anyone living through his Presidency had to notice (well, if they were old enough at the time).  His home state even debarred him due to corrupt practices.  Really, I'm not interested in writing another book :)


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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #97 on: July 15, 2020, 02:24:36 am »
I guess you just aren't old enough to have noticed.  No crime there.  :)

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #98 on: July 15, 2020, 02:16:03 pm »
I guess you just aren't old enough to have noticed.  No crime there.  :)


I'm 32 buddy, I lived through Bill Clinton's presidency. I just think it's a bit hyperbolic to claim a blonde french aristocrat has anything to do with the former president of the US. If it's only about the corruption, then the entire republican party bears more similarities in that regard, as they point out with the VV dialogue about Dubya.

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2020, 05:25:23 am »
I suppose four to 12 is old enough to form your own opinions.  I was 33-41.  I think this is first of all, a negligible matter and two, something that needs agreeing to disagree. 

Both parties are as corrupt as can be.  That's why I left the Democrat Party in the late 1970s and became an independent.  One thing I think is really needed is a viable third party but the only thing the majors can agree on is that there can be only two. 

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2020, 07:41:24 am »
I was in my teens during the Clinton era.  Since I was focused on getting laid the corruption completely flew over my head.  All I remember was he was well liked by the black community.


Oh and of course I remember when they tried to impeach him for doing something that JFK had done many times while President.
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2020, 04:08:50 am »
I don't think JFK lied to Congress?  Well, not on record anyway.  :)  It was definitely a political move, though just like the one on President Trump.  Many administration members (and members of Congress themselves) in the GW Bush, Obama, and Trump administrative years have lied to Congress with nothing happening.  He was known as the first black President for a while - yes, he was well liked by the black community.  He was popular by and large to all the general public; still is.  Probably just his rougish (spelling may be off) personality.  Active duty military personal despised him, however mainly due to his non-caring attitude of them - using the military to advance his political progress (often called wagging the dog) all the while making sure it would become outdated.  He is the reason the USAF has 50 year old aircraft being used.  I'm probably tainted because I was active duty during his tenure and it still irritates me that Gore disallowed overseas military personnel from having their votes counted in FL solely because he knew 80% would vote for Bush because he was VP under Clinton which caused that whole hanging chad nonsense (when the disallowed votes were added in by researchers, they found the vote wasn't close enough for a recount). 

Anyway, that's ancient history and this is a game site, not a political forum so well past time to move on. 

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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #102 on: July 17, 2020, 04:14:39 am »
@Nanaloma:  No problem.  I was just stating what I remembered.  It does not mean I liked him or Bush.  I just remember bits and pieces.  At the time I was in Junior High to High School.  So my main thing was sports and my studies, and trying to get a girlfriend. lol
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #103 on: July 17, 2020, 05:30:20 am »
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Re: Opinions on LaCroix, The Napoleon of Bloodlines
« Reply #104 on: September 02, 2020, 08:51:29 am »
LaCroix isn't likeable by any stretch of imagination, but sure he's vivid and interesting.
Although he's pompous, scheming jerk right from the start, but at least we see him trying to sell his BS and care enough to portray himself as a patron, benefactor, maybe even savior of the poor fledgling. He could just as well bark orders and keep us at distance in Rudolf Brandl style, but then we wouldn't get to know him a bit. The way I see it, coming back to Venture Tower after each stage of our investigation - with silly remarks from Chunk, cutscenes, LaCroix's reactions to our progress and manners - is a pretty crucial part of Bloodlines experience, definitely enhancing so called immersion. Imagine if we just got generic responses, like, "Glad you made it! Here's a little something for you. Now, to the second part of the job: investigate Elizabeth Dane..." LaCroix is much more than that, always setting the bar high, spewing propaganda, gradually growing impatient. We get all sorts of responses from the guy, we can invite insult him occasionally and see how that works...

So yes, he makes narrative more fluid and rich in detail, good to have him - although I wish we'd seen more politics at his court.

 

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