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Title: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 04:35:36 am
There are many great npc's in the game.  In fact what first sucked me in (no pun intended) was not the combat but the stories of the characters like Therese and Jeanette.  I like the idea that they are polar opposites of each other and yet are the same person.  When Jeanette talked about Therese's tragic past you begin to realize how the Jeanette personalty was born.  It blew me away.  These characters in fact all the npc's have so much personality and charisma.  Plus the voice acting is superb.  The only other game I can think of with great voice acting all around is the Legacy of Kain series. 


Like I said many times before I like all the npc's in the game, even minor ones like Tin Can Bill.  It's hard to choose just one but I would have to pick Therese/Jeanette, because they set the tone for the other npc's that would follow.  Second would have to be Beckett.  But like I said they are all great and well written.


So who is your favorite npc?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 07:38:55 am
I have several favorite characters: Gary of course, Mitnick, Beckett, Damsel, Andrei.
I agree, that most characters are interesting, but some I can't really stand. VV is the one, I could do without the most.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 25, 2020, 11:32:30 am
When Jeanette talked about Therese's tragic past you begin to realize how the Jeanette personalty was born.  It blew me away.
Exactly the same happened to me! Before the sister's revelation I thought Bloodlines was just another FPS/RPG hybrid, but then I got some deep writing which I never had experienced in a computer game before. And the ending set another one on top too! As for favorite NPCs, there are so many I like. And all of them feel so real, a little bit exaggerated at times but like actual people, which hardly is the case in most computer games...
@fylimar: You often mention that you can't stand VV. Can you explain why? It almost looks as if you are a female yourself who is just jealous about her model stripper looks ;).
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Barabbah on May 25, 2020, 02:05:27 pm
One of mine is Isaac. He looks even better with my new reskin:


(https://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/196/195004/thumb_620x2000/isaac.png)
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Malkav on May 25, 2020, 02:10:30 pm
Well, I'm not female and I can't stand VV either. Her whole behaviour makes me want to rip her tongue out and feed it to her. :animesucks:
She's so "precious flower" it makes me vomit (even though I have no stomach).

But I agree, almost all the npcs are interesting, even if I don't like them. Too bad we don't get to see or hear more from Grout.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 02:42:53 pm
Wesp:I'm female, but VVs looks have nothing to do with it (that is a strange statement btw) apart from the fact, that she dresses very inappropriate outside her strip club, which of course I realise could be to piss off the Camarilla. Since I do like women myself, I can appreciate a nice looking woman. VV for me is simply a boring character, that can't keep up with the writing of the others. And of course the mentioned special snowflake. She is all I don't like in Toreadors. My reasons are similar to the ones Malkav has mentioned.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020, 02:55:28 pm
FAT LARRY IN DA HOUSE  :afro: !

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/nowheremash/images/b/bb/Fat_Larry.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190119104830)


One of the things that I most like about Bloodlines is the distinct idiosincracy of each NPC. They are people from their neighborhoods, their communities, the circles they run with and the businesses they deal with. Fat Larry is a perfect example of that, he is an LA gangbangin' arms dealer that actually sounds like one.


And he is stupidly hilarious. I would love to see him in Bloodlines 2.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 25, 2020, 03:32:42 pm
Wesp: I'm female, but VVs looks have nothing to do with it (BTW that statement is is a bit insulting)...
Sorry, this was not intentional, but you keep bringing this up whenever possible ;).
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 03:41:19 pm
Wesp: I'm female, but VVs looks have nothing to do with it (BTW that statement is is a bit insulting)...
Sorry, this was not intentional, but you keep bringing this up whenever possible ;).

I think, everyone has characters, they don't like. In our Bioware forum there is one person who is always bringing up Anders, because s/he doesn't like him. And I guess, VV is my red flag. I'm glad, we also have Isaac Abrams, a Toreador, I actually like.

Btw I edited my post, I'm not really insulted, it was just a bit strange.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 06:29:42 pm
@Wesp5:  I also thought this was just another fps/rpg clone until the revelation with Therese and Jeanette.  Then I knew this was a special game.


@Barrabah:  Yeah I like Isaac too. He is old school Hollywood.  Like Mercurio says he's a cool customer.


@Highwayman667:  Oh yeah Fat Larry is great.  I instantly liked him from the start he fit his setting perfectly.  I just wish he had more to say.


@fylimar:  VV?  I don't know about her.  I mean she's a Toreador and seduction is their thing, but I don't know if she's being sincere or is she playing me?  But aside from that like Fat Larry I think she fits her setting perfectly.  The way she looks, the way she dresses, choice of profession, and her seductive voice all fit the Toreador perfectly.  But I do agree with both you and Malkav the delicate flower thing does seem like an act.  Uh, like I said I don't know about her.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 25, 2020, 07:10:00 pm
Bertram or Chunk. Heather doesn´t count because a bit unfair to the rest.
I like VV or should i say Susan. She is alright but if i have to pick one female character i dislike well Mira.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Malkav on May 25, 2020, 07:25:20 pm
Hm, yes Mira is a bitch, but I think not as annoying as VV.
There are two characters in the game which I despise the moment they open their mouth. That is Lacroix with his "I am better than you" attitude and his throne room where you have to stand a step below him like a supplicant, and VV.
Talking of the Giovanni, Maria is always fun.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 25, 2020, 07:37:04 pm
Hm, yes Mira is a bitch, but I think not as annoying as VV.
I usually flirt with her so i don´t mind her.

And in no way is VV more annoying and more a bitch like Kiki who has to be one if not the worst character in the game.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 07:41:14 pm
yeah, but Kiki is a teenager, she has room to change still, so I don't mind her too much.
About LaCroix: I wish, he would be less over the top with his angry boy routine. A bit more mature and princey.
I like Tommy Flayton, I always suggest as a Malkavian, that he is eating maggots (classical Lost Boys reference).
And I find Mr. Ox interesting. I wish, we would get more backstory to him. He has a strange aura though. Do you think, he is simply another Kuei Jin or something else entirely?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 07:42:45 pm
Talyn: I doubt that VV is sincere, it's calculation on her part - 'Let's get the fledgling to do my dirty work'. I was really rude a few times to her and it is interesting, how her mask slips then. But nowadays I'm being nice to get the photo and sell it for good money.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 07:59:55 pm
Talyn: I doubt that VV is sincere, it's calculation on her part - 'Let's get the fledgling to do my dirty work'. I was really rude a few times to her and it is interesting, how her mask slips then. But nowadays I'm being nice to get the photo and sell it for good money.


You're most likely right.  She does get me to kill the hunter and tries to get me to kill Julius.  Aside from the hunter I don't kill Julius I just tell him to get out of town.  It's just since I never played the table top rpg I don't know how Toreador should be like.


It's like LaCroix who Malkav mentions above.  Most VTMB fans say LaCroix does not make a good Ventrue due to his childish tantrums when he doesn't get his way.  I agree with the tantrums.  But I think just by the way he carries himself and the way he talks with his snotty attitude.  To me he's just another corporate asshole with an overinflated ego which imo fit the Ventrue clan.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 25, 2020, 08:25:03 pm
yeah, but Kiki is a teenager, she has room to change still, so I don't mind her too much.
I don´t think that Kiki is that young. Maybe early twenties.
Also her age doesn´t apologize her bad behaivor towards the player particularly if female. She is a bitch like the girl from PS4 game Until Dawn who reminds of Kiki.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020, 08:35:45 pm
You're most likely right.  She does get me to kill the hunter and tries to get me to kill Julius.  Aside from the hunter I don't kill Julius I just tell him to get out of town.  It's just since I never played the table top rpg I don't know how Toreador should be like.

It's like LaCroix who Malkav mentions above.  Most VTMB fans say LaCroix does not make a good Ventrue due to his childish tantrums when he doesn't get his way.  I agree with the tantrums.  But I think just by the way he carries himself and the way he talks with his snotty attitude.  To me he's just another corporate asshole with an overinflated ego which imo fit the Ventrue clan.


VV gets nothing from "manipulating" the fledgling though.


I think the point about her character is that anyone can be reasonably cautious and scared to deal with her, but in the end it turns out that her goals were honest and she is the kind of kindred that somehow finds it in her cold, dead heart... to care for others, even for the fledgling himself/herself  :smile:
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Malkav on May 25, 2020, 08:45:48 pm
Talyn: I doubt that VV is sincere, it's calculation on her part - 'Let's get the fledgling to do my dirty work'. I was really rude a few times to her and it is interesting, how her mask slips then. But nowadays I'm being nice to get the photo and sell it for good money.
As a melee player I don't need the money I can get for the photo, so I can afford to be rude. And she deserves it. She tries to appear so deep, but in reality it's just a puddle. :razz:
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 09:03:01 pm
You're most likely right.  She does get me to kill the hunter and tries to get me to kill Julius.  Aside from the hunter I don't kill Julius I just tell him to get out of town.  It's just since I never played the table top rpg I don't know how Toreador should be like.

It's like LaCroix who Malkav mentions above.  Most VTMB fans say LaCroix does not make a good Ventrue due to his childish tantrums when he doesn't get his way.  I agree with the tantrums.  But I think just by the way he carries himself and the way he talks with his snotty attitude.  To me he's just another corporate asshole with an overinflated ego which imo fit the Ventrue clan.


VV gets nothing from "manipulating" the fledgling though.


I think the point about her character is that anyone can be reasonably cautious and scared to deal with her, but in the end it turns out that her goals were honest and she is the kind of kindred that somehow finds it in her cold, dead heart... to care for others, even for the fledgling himself/herself  :smile:


She does gain in that there is one less hunter in Hollywood, and the Masquerade is kept.  I just don't know how a Toreador is supposed to act.  I know that they are into high society and the finer things in life like art and good wine.  But personality wise I don't know.  Ash does not care whether he lives or dies.  Isaac like I said is old school Hollywood and all business.  Bishop Vick was insane.  VV to me seems to fit that delicate facade the female Toreador most likely use for seduction.  I just don't know.  Other than that I have no problem with her.  At least she's better than Ash.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020, 09:46:46 pm
She does gain in that there is one less hunter in Hollywood, and the Masquerade is kept.  I just don't know how a Toreador is supposed to act.  I know that they are into high society and the finer things in life like art and good wine.  But personality wise I don't know.  Ash does not care whether he lives or dies.  Isaac like I said is old school Hollywood and all business.  Bishop Vick was insane.  VV to me seems to fit that delicate facade the female Toreador most likely use for seduction.  I just don't know.  Other than that I have no problem with her.  At least she's better than Ash.

The toreador is the vampire that deals most closely with mortals, and because they spend so much time with them they know them better than most.

BUT... a toreador knows a mortal like a wolf knows a sheep  :cometome: ... so eventually they learn to hone their skills to trick and manipulate mortals into becoming even more willing prey.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 25, 2020, 10:21:02 pm
She does gain in that there is one less hunter in Hollywood, and the Masquerade is kept.  I just don't know how a Toreador is supposed to act.  I know that they are into high society and the finer things in life like art and good wine.  But personality wise I don't know.  Ash does not care whether he lives or dies.  Isaac like I said is old school Hollywood and all business.  Bishop Vick was insane.  VV to me seems to fit that delicate facade the female Toreador most likely use for seduction.  I just don't know.  Other than that I have no problem with her.  At least she's better than Ash.

The toreador is the vampire that deals most closely with mortals, and because they spend so much time with them they know them better than most.

BUT... a toreador knows a mortal like a wolf knows a sheep  :cometome: ... so eventually they learn to hone their skills to trick and manipulate mortals into becoming even more willing prey.


Yeah that makes sense.  But they are full of surprises.  When I first read up on them I thought all Toreador were aligned with the Camarilla.  Since Camarilla equals the establishment vs Anarchs who equal rebellion, I just assumed they would be pro Cammy.   But then I played the game and met Isaac and VV.  They are both Toreador but are aligned with the Anarchs.


Oh I just remembered Isaac is pretty passionate himself.  He clearly loves Ash (and VV) and did not want him to die from his overdose.  Bishop Vick was passionate about his cult.  Okay so those are other good examples of Toreadors. 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 25, 2020, 10:56:28 pm
A Toreador on Sabbat side can be worse than the most torture hungry Tzimisce, since they consider torture an art ... just saying. I once played a Toreador in CQM and sided with Andrei. She had a conversation with him about his creations being the most beautiful art - she really went full dark side. That was fun.
About VV: She does get something from the fledgling: They do the dirty work for her and she can stay hidden, if things go south. Might be a clever move, but I love to be Miss Smartypants and call her out about it. She really doesn't like that.
Both Bishop Vic and Jezebel Locke from that cult are Toreador and they use their abilities well. Jezebel with seduction (Hannah), Vic with sheer presence.
Btw: I also don't like Ash that much. He might be well written in his charcaterization, but he is so getting on my nerves with his 'I can end it now'-bullshit. And then you have to save him twice. One time, I just left him in his cage, I was so fed up with him.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020, 11:31:41 pm
About VV: She does get something from the fledgling: They do the dirty work for her and she can stay hidden, if things go south. Might be a clever move, but I love to be Miss Smartypants and call her out about it. She really doesn't like that.


It's in the realm of possibility but why does she write those love poems, give you pictures and constantly plays tease ? It's because she's attracted to the fledgling. Maybe she senses something in his/her blood but she is not as manipulative as say... Jack or Strauss.

It's entirely reasonable she doesn't fight as well and thus is legitimately asking for a hand against the vampire hunter.

I also don't like Ash that much. He might be well written in his charcaterization, but he is so getting on my nerves with his 'I can end it now'-bullshit. And then you have to save him twice. One time, I just left him in his cage, I was so fed up with him.
I might be THE ONLY person that feels bad for Ash Rivers. Truly :rofl:


He's kind of annoying but put yourself in his place: your greatest desire is to be a famous actor.


Now you can't act... and you can't be a public figure. It's understandable he would resent Isaac.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on May 26, 2020, 02:14:33 am
I always
A Toreador on Sabbat side can be worse than the most torture hungry Tzimisce, since they consider torture an art ... just saying. I once played a Toreador in CQM and sided with Andrei. She had a conversation with him about his creations being the most beautiful art - she really went full dark side. That was fun.
About VV: She does get something from the fledgling: They do the dirty work for her and she can stay hidden, if things go south. Might be a clever move, but I love to be Miss Smartypants and call her out about it. She really doesn't like that.
Both Bishop Vic and Jezebel Locke from that cult are Toreador and they use their abilities well. Jezebel with seduction (Hannah), Vic with sheer presence.
Btw: I also don't like Ash that much. He might be well written in his charcaterization, but he is so getting on my nerves with his 'I can end it now'-bullshit. And then you have to save him twice. One time, I just left him in his cage, I was so fed up with him.

I always assumed Vick was a Brujha. 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 02:50:19 am
I always
A Toreador on Sabbat side can be worse than the most torture hungry Tzimisce, since they consider torture an art ... just saying. I once played a Toreador in CQM and sided with Andrei. She had a conversation with him about his creations being the most beautiful art - she really went full dark side. That was fun.
About VV: She does get something from the fledgling: They do the dirty work for her and she can stay hidden, if things go south. Might be a clever move, but I love to be Miss Smartypants and call her out about it. She really doesn't like that.
Both Bishop Vic and Jezebel Locke from that cult are Toreador and they use their abilities well. Jezebel with seduction (Hannah), Vic with sheer presence.
Btw: I also don't like Ash that much. He might be well written in his charcaterization, but he is so getting on my nerves with his 'I can end it now'-bullshit. And then you have to save him twice. One time, I just left him in his cage, I was so fed up with him.

I always assumed Vick was a Brujha. 


In both the White Wolf wiki and the Bloodlines wiki it says Bishop Vick and Jezebel Locke are Toreador.  First time I played I instantly knew Jezebel was a Toreador, Bishop Vick on the other hand surprised me.  I thought he was some other clan.  I also thought he was teleporting until I found out it was Celerity.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on May 26, 2020, 02:57:39 am
OK; he just seemed more Brujha to me in his reactions and, of course, having celerity.  Sometimes it's hard to tell :)  . 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 03:00:52 am
OK; he just seemed more Brujha to me in his reactions and, of course, having celerity.  Sometimes it's hard to tell :)  . 


No problem buddy.  At first I though he was from another clan cause Toreador are supposed to be beautiful.  But Bishop Vick was filthy and diseased.  Not something Toreador's strive for I assume.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 03:43:55 am
@Highwayman667:  I too wish she was sincere and she might be who knows.   She is an attractive woman who supposedly is infatuated with our character.  But according to Rosa there are only two npc's that are trustworthy.  Mercurio (the man on the couch) and Beckett (the Lone Wolf).  All the npc's from LaCroix to Jack seek to use you no matter how nice they appear to be.  Also according to Bertram Tung there are no good guys when it comes to vamps and their politics.  Beckett is the exception because he chooses to stay out of it.  Mercurio is LaCroix' ghoul but he is old fashion and has a code of honor.  He will help you even if it means he will grow old and die eventually.  Jack avoids politics too, but he also likes to go around and stir shit up in Camarilla controlled states.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 03:50:39 am
@fylimar:  You are correct.  I remember seeing a lore video on the Toreador by Outstar, and remember her saying they are one of the creepiest clans apart of the Camarilla.  They do view torture as art.  I'm not into the Anne Rice type of vamps.  I've only seen two movies based on her books.  One was 'Interview with a Vampire', and the other I forgot it's name.  But I remember Tom Cruise' character Lestat was pretty macabre.  Although I do like the concept of a monster behind the pretty face.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 26, 2020, 08:28:25 am
OK; he just seemed more Brujha to me in his reactions and, of course, having celerity.  Sometimes it's hard to tell :)  . 
He can still be Brujah, because everybody can edit those wikis. Maybe someone did who was just convinced he is Toreador? According to the game files he has Celerity and Thaumaturgy, so this doesn't decide it in one direction or the other.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 26, 2020, 08:31:13 am
Mercurio is LaCroix' ghoul but he is old fashion and has a code of honor.
Small correction here, Mercurio is ghoul to one of LaCroix's vampires, but not to LaCroix himself. A dialog line confirms this, also he would never be able to help you in the endgame otherwise.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Malkav on May 26, 2020, 08:52:23 am
OK; he just seemed more Brujha to me in his reactions and, of course, having celerity.  Sometimes it's hard to tell :)  . 
He can still be Brujah, because everybody can edit those wikis. Maybe someone did who was just convinced he is Toreador? According to the game files he has Celerity and Thaumaturgy, so this doesn't decide it in one direction or the other.
Hm, celerity and thaumaturgy might even hint to an Assamite, although I really doubt that.
When I first saw him, he was Brujah for me. But I'm no longer certain. The fact tht he uses a gun hints to Toreador, but then Nines also uses guns. Too bad obfuscate is useless because of the zombies. Otherwise that could give a hint.

@Talyn, you think Jack avoids politics? Then why doesn't he leave any opportunity to preach against the camarilla out? Imo he's also the most passionate when it comes to advertising his point of view.
Strauss may be manipulative, but he is too blunt about it. The way he insists that any shit going down is caused by the anarchs makes me dismiss everything else he says as well. Just some worthless propaganda, better don't listen.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 26, 2020, 09:33:06 am
Too bad obfuscate is useless because of the zombies. Otherwise that could give a hint.
Why is that? Because he was supposed to have "TrueSight", but I disabled it. So if that was a replacement for Auspex, he might indeed be Toreador...
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 26, 2020, 09:50:57 am
I thought, Vic used Presence at some points during the fight, that with Celerity was the reason, I thought him to be Torrie.


Talyn:the movies made out of the Anne Rice books are not that telling and Lestat turned out to be a lot different, when he tells the story from his POV.



Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 12:30:30 pm
It makes sense that Vick is a Torrie because of lines like these: "You talk of disease... what about the disease that you and I both carry, our flesh remade into nothing more than an abomination, feeding on our brothers and sisters like so many cattle? What god watched over me when that demon tore into my neck and made me into this monster you see before you?"
And Jezebel could be more a Ventrue than Toreador. First because of the Queen Jezebel and she view human life different than Vick.
Brother Kanker = Nosferatu (i know shocker)
Jezebel Locke   = Ventrue
Bishop  Vick      = Toreador
Jumbles            = No idea (we don´t know if he is a Vampire but it´s very likely. The unoffical patch he clearly is. Maybe Brujah?)
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 26, 2020, 01:41:09 pm
Jezebel Locke clearly uses Presence and Celerity, so I'm pretty sure, she is Toreador.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 02:03:03 pm
Jezebel Locke clearly uses Presence and Celerity, so I'm pretty sure, she is Toreador.
Are you sure that Jezebel uses Celerity? I can´t remember that she uses it.  Unlike Presence and her melee / range attacks.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020, 03:16:44 pm
I too wish she was sincere and she might be who knows. She is an attractive woman who supposedly is infatuated with our character. But according to Rosa there are only two npc's that are trustworthy. Mercurio (the man on the couch) and Beckett (the Lone Wolf). All the npc's from LaCroix to Jack seek to use you no matter how nice they appear to be. Also according to Bertram Tung there are no good guys when it comes to vamps and their politics. Beckett is the exception because he chooses to stay out of it. Mercurio is LaCroix' ghoul but he is old fashion and has a code of honor. He will help you even if it means he will grow old and die eventually. Jack avoids politics too, but he also likes to go around and stir shit up in Camarilla controlled states.
Great point there about Rosa. About Jack... well, he does side with Cain... so I wouldn't say he avoid politics :rofl:

You are correct.  I remember seeing a lore video on the Toreador by Outstar, and remember her saying they are one of the creepiest clans apart of the Camarilla.  They do view torture as art.  I'm not into the Anne Rice type of vamps.  I've only seen two movies based on her books.  One was 'Interview with a Vampire', and the other I forgot it's name.  But I remember Tom Cruise' character Lestat was pretty macabre.  Although I do like the concept of a monster behind the pretty face.
Well, the antitribu ones at least do view torture as an art. It's important to remember that Isaac and VV do seem to show a moral code when it comes to their respective charges.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 26, 2020, 03:18:20 pm
Jezebel Locke clearly uses Presence and Celerity, so I'm pretty sure, she is Toreador.
Are you sure that Jezebel uses Celerity? I can´t remember that she uses it.  Unlike Presence and her melee / range attacks.
I'm pretty sure. I'll pay more attention by the next playthrough. I got very Toreador-like vibes from her though.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Malkav on May 26, 2020, 04:04:48 pm
I'm quite certain she only uses presence. So judging by the disciplines she might be Ventrue.
But if I'm not mistaken, Ventrue plan their embraces very carefully so it's not likely that the childe turns out to be a complete nutcase and joins some doomsday cult. Toreador on the other hand have been known to embrace on a whim (see Isaak).
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 06:31:17 pm
@Wesp5:  About what I said about Mercurio being LaCroix's ghoul.  I thought he was his ghoul because when he talks about vampires and sex.  He says something like "I talked to the main man himself."  So I assumed LaCroix was the main man.  Plus I always assumed LaCroix does not speak to humans because most likely he sees them as just cattle like Jack.



Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 07:04:39 pm
@Wilhelm:  Who's Jumbles?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 26, 2020, 07:16:14 pm
@Wesp5:  About what I said about Mercurio being LaCroix's ghoul.  I thought he was his ghoul because when he talks about vampires and sex.  He says something like "I talked to the main man himself."
His Master is certainly close to LaCroix, but he also says "Went downtown to get my fix. When I went up to the top of the tower, I could hear LaCroix shouting from down the hall." I don't think any ghoul would talk this way about his Master.
And Jumbles is the black guy guarding the entrance to Bishop Vick's lair. I turned him into a vampire during the library quest, but I never thought about which clan he would be. He is killed in a cutscene before this matters anyway ;)!
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 26, 2020, 07:58:47 pm
@Wesp5:  About what I said about Mercurio being LaCroix's ghoul.  I thought he was his ghoul because when he talks about vampires and sex.  He says something like "I talked to the main man himself."
His Master is certainly close to LaCroix, but he also says "Went downtown to get my fix. When I went up to the top of the tower, I could hear LaCroix shouting from down the hall." I don't think any ghoul would talk this way about his Master.
And Jumbles is the black guy guarding the entrance to Bishop Vick's lair. I turned him into a vampire during the library quest, but I never thought about which clan he would be. He is killed in a cutscene before this matters anyway ;)!



You are correct.  I do remember now Mercurio saying that.  Well my mistake then.:)


As for Jumbles.  Now I remember who he is.  The guy who says "Are you enlightened?"
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 08:29:33 pm
I'm pretty sure. I'll pay more attention by the next playthrough. I got very Toreador-like vibes from her though.
Sorry maybe something is wrong with my patch but i just test it and Jezebel only uses Presence & melee or range attacks.@wesp has Jezebel ever used Celerity?
I see her more as Ventrue than Toreador because of the Queen Jezebel dialogue.
I turned him into a vampire during the library quest, but I never though about which clan he would be. He is killed in a cutscene before this matters anyway ;)!
Just for fun which clan could he be?

Also do we know which clan Sweeper could be?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Barabbah on May 26, 2020, 08:48:47 pm
Sweeper is not a ghoul?  :holy:  LOL
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 09:15:03 pm
Sweeper is not a ghoul?  :holy:  LOL
Have you never try to kill him? He uses Presence and has the vampire death animation so yeah Sweeper is a vampire.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 26, 2020, 09:20:47 pm
@wesp has Jezebel ever used Celerity?
I don't think so.
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I see her more as Ventrue than Toreador because of the Queen Jezebel dialogue.
According to the game files she is a Toreador.
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Also do we know which clan Sweeper could be?
According to the game files he is a vampire, but a clan is not given. I added the fact that he is using Presence so it isn't boring to fight him in the patch ;)!
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on May 26, 2020, 09:57:46 pm
Ok, so Jezebel has no Celerity, but is definitively a Toreador according to game files.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 26, 2020, 11:25:46 pm
According to the game files she is a Toreador.
Okay Toreador then.
I still think she would fits more as Ventrue but i also don´t see Skelter as Gangrel.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 27, 2020, 12:20:04 am
I still think she would fits more as Ventrue but i also don´t see Skelter as Gangrel.


There had to be a Gangrel guy though. Otherwise the anarchs would've looked like a "Brujah-Only" club :rofl:
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 27, 2020, 03:42:10 am
I still think she would fits more as Ventrue but i also don´t see Skelter as Gangrel.


There had to be a Gangrel guy though. Otherwise the anarchs would've looked like a "Brujah-Only" club :rofl:


Skelter is a Gangrel?  I assumed he was Brujah. 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on May 27, 2020, 03:48:56 am
I still think she would fits more as Ventrue but i also don´t see Skelter as Gangrel.


There had to be a Gangrel guy though. Otherwise the anarchs would've looked like a "Brujah-Only" club :rofl:
Doesn't Jack say something to the affect that we all have Brujha blood when your character asks which clan Jack is?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 27, 2020, 05:37:16 am
Also aside from Isaac and VV aren't the Brujah anarchic? 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Barabbah on May 27, 2020, 05:38:22 am
Doesn't Jack say something to the affect that we all have Brujha blood when your character asks which clan Jack is?


If I remember correctly he says "most" of the anarchs there are brujah
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Barabbah on May 27, 2020, 05:40:26 am
Also aside from Isaac and VV aren't the Brujah anarchic?


Mostly. AFAIK there are several sabbat brujah and a few in the camarilla....
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 27, 2020, 07:28:11 am
Skelter is a Gangrel?  I assumed he was Brujah. 
Skelter's clan is not mentioned in the game files...
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Malkav on May 27, 2020, 09:40:38 am
Officiallly the Brujah and Gangrel clans are part of the camarilla, but both also have strong antitribu factions in the sabbat.
Being an anarch is a personal descision and has nothing to do with the affiliation of the clan as a whole. Of course Brujah are predisposed to be rebels so it's to be expected that most anarchs are Brujah.
If you ask Jack he will tell you that he and Nines are Brujah and that most of the downtown anarchs are Brujah.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 27, 2020, 10:46:25 am
Skelter's clan is not mentioned in the game files...
Are you sure? Of course like you said everyone can edit those wikis but i don´t know maybe they on something."Despite most people thinking that he's a Brujah, he is in fact a Gangrel. This is proven by his stats found within the game code listing him as such."
https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Skelter (https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Skelter)
 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 27, 2020, 11:00:35 am
Are you sure? Of course like you said everyone can edit those wikis but i don´t know maybe they on something.
Some NPC vampires have infos about their clan stored in the npctemplate files. Skelter just uses "VampirCritical" which has no clan listed. I don't know where else this could be found...
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 27, 2020, 11:22:12 am
Some NPC vampires have infos about their clan stored in the npctemplate files. Skelter just uses "VampirCritical" which has no clan listed. I don't know where else this could be found...
Maybe you should ask the admin of the site Hinged why she so convinced about this.
From the Skelter history "Trivia:  It is true, Skelter is in fact listed as Gangrel"https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/User:Hinged (https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/User:Hinged)
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 27, 2020, 11:53:00 am
I have wrote a comment on her page, I'm curious where this is supposed to be written...
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Phloem on May 27, 2020, 10:42:49 pm
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I am the proprietor and salesman of the month several years in a row; the ladies call me "Oh, god!", but you can call me Fat Larry with a F-A-T 'cause there's mo' of me to love.
I adore Fat Larry. He's genuinely one of the funniest characters I've encountered in a video game and his lines never fail to make me smile. If only he could've been kept as a ghoul instead of Heather... :cry:
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on May 27, 2020, 10:53:22 pm
Is it possible to fight Skelter?  I'm just wondering what his disciplines are as that would be a clue. 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 28, 2020, 12:56:49 pm
Is it possible to fight Skelter?  I'm just wondering what his disciplines are as that would be a clue. 
Not in the official game, but I think in the CQM. It may be that Burgermeister made him a Gangrel there and somebody just wrote this into the Wiki.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Malkav on May 28, 2020, 06:56:08 pm
I remember that Zer0morph mentioned in the changelog for CE 1.1 or 1.2 that he changed Skelters eyes to better match the clan (Gangrel), but I never asked where he got the info that Skelter is Gangrel.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: argikt on May 29, 2020, 07:32:16 am
Is it possible to fight Skelter?  I'm just wondering what his disciplines are as that would be a clue. 
Not in the official game, but I think in the CQM. It may be that Burgermeister made him a Gangrel there and somebody just wrote this into the Wiki.
It's possible to fight him in CQM as part of the Ventrue clan quest, but he only uses celerity in the fight.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 29, 2020, 06:56:55 pm
So nobody knows who started the Gangrel Skelter stuff. Well interesting.  :embarrassed:
By the way speaking of interesting stuff. It seems that the real Arthur Kilpatrick is a vampire and the human just an impostor. I don´t know if i like this or not. It feels strange like hearing that Simpsons Principal Skinner is also an impostor.
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick)
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 29, 2020, 09:21:26 pm
So nobody knows who started the Gangrel Skelter stuff. Well interessing.  :embarrassed:
By the way speaking of interessing stuff. It seems that the real Arthur Kilpatrick is a vampire and the human just an impostor.I don´t know if i like this or not. It fells strange like hearing that Simpsons Principal Skinner is also an impostor.
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick)


I never knew that.  Next time I replay the game I'll see if he has fangs.  About Principal Skinner wasn't he an imposter though?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 29, 2020, 09:47:10 pm
By the way speaking of interesting stuff. It seems that the real Arthur Kilpatrick is a vampire and the human just an impostor. I don´t know if i like this or not.
I don't like this at all. Similar to some other V5 rubbish, e.g. seperating Lily and E, it gives the impression of bad fan fiction! Like we have characters from the famous video game, let's do something weird with them...
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 29, 2020, 10:39:57 pm
I don´t mind that Lily and E don´t have a happy end but this isn´t even a shocking twist because Arthur is a minor and not highly beloved character. It´s just strange nonsense. Maybe if i get the whole story i could be able to understand it but why?
Next time I replay the game I'll see if he has fangs. 
Why? According to the V5 Camarilla book the Bloodlines 1 Arthur Kilpatrick isn´t the real Arthur Kilpatrick, just a human for who knows what reasons to pretend to be Arthur Kilpatrick. So you don´t see any fangs on him.

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About Principal Skinner wasn't he an imposter though?
Yeah but almost every Simpsons fan, even the creator Matt Groening, dislikes this episode. For some fans this was the episode where the Simpsons are jumping the shark.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principal_and_the_Pauper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principal_and_the_Pauper)
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 29, 2020, 11:16:06 pm
@Wilhelm: Don't want to turn this into a Simpsons thread.  But I remember that episode. I can't believe it originally aired back in 1997.  But anyway it was around that time I stopped watching the show.  Til this day I have not watched an episode.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020, 12:43:20 am

I was a bit sad about Lily and E breaking up. It does make some sense however, some people don't love each other forever.


Now, Arthut Kilpatrick being a vampire... that is the most random fan fiction ever written... I don't understand what purpose does that serve.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 30, 2020, 12:58:38 am
I agree is the thing about Arthur being a Vampire apart of the VTM lore?  Or was it some random VTM fan that wrote in the entry?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020, 01:40:50 am
I agree is the thing about Arthur being a Vampire apart of the VTM lore?  Or was it some random VTM fan that wrote in the entry?


I hope that entry is more than unreliable  :58_83:  !
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 30, 2020, 03:40:06 am
I'll ask in the Classic World of Darkness section on this forum.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 30, 2020, 07:02:20 am
According to the V5 Camarilla book the Bloodlines 1 Arthur Kilpatrick isn´t the real Arthur Kilpatrick, just a human for who knows what reasons to pretend to be Arthur Kilpatrick.
Which is completely ridiculous! Does Arthur Kilpatrick look as if he would care enough about anything to even think about doing this? Certainly not. This is as bad as that islamic gay women-defender Anarch shown in the V5 source book, and probably another reason why a lot of people prefer V20!
At least I got Skelter's clan removed from the Wiki ;).
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Barabbah on May 30, 2020, 08:31:08 am
Be careful with those fighting words! (cit.) :P
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 30, 2020, 12:32:37 pm
From Page 102 of the V5 Camarilla Book:

"Nick Kilpatrick Neonate of the 12th Generation.
He worked as a bail bondsman in the family business before being Embraced in 1994 by his brother Arthur (now missing).
Kilpatrick serves as Sheriff of Cincinnati, guarding the city against all manner of chaos and foul play.
He loves his job and it knwon to be eager to punish any from of transgression, not always waiting for the Prince to pass judgement before doing. An adept criminal himself, despite his "day job" as Sheriff of the court, he still does occasionally use his safe-cracking skills to pop open a vault.

Prone to bouts of depression, he can sometimes be suicidal and deeply ashamed of his addicition of feeding off of crack addicts and other drug users in order to get his fix.
His large family is his main weakness. He tries to hide them as best he can, but Kilpatrick Bail Bond is a  well known company, and on one occasion his grandmother was kidnapped by an Anarch gang.
While he didn´t recover his nana alive, the gang completly disappered without a trace.

I don´t know but is pretty vague. Of course its strange to have two Arthur Kilpatrick with the same company but its not impossible. Maybe the wiki folks shouldn´t state this as fact.
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick)
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 30, 2020, 03:29:18 pm
This still is stupid. Arthur tells the player in Bloodlines gladly about all kinds of stuff regarding bail bonding and bounty hunting and never mentioned that this is a family job and they are a franchise? Compare that to e.g. Chunk mentioning his brothers because Troika knew they wanted to use one. This is stupid fan-fiction retconning in my eyes...
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 30, 2020, 06:29:17 pm
I don´t know but is pretty vague. Of course its strange to have two Arthur Kilpatrick with the same company but its not impossible. Maybe the wiki folks shouldn´t state this as fact. https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Kilpatrick)


Thanks for the info Wilhelm. It does seem rather vague and unclear.


Could we contact White Wolf perhaps ? Maybe some rando wrote this in the wiki and can still be edited ?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 30, 2020, 09:25:09 pm
I asked the question in the Classic World of Darkness section and no one has replied.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 30, 2020, 11:01:52 pm
Wilhelm already wrote that this is supposed to be in a V5 source book, so it should be pretty much canon for V5...
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on May 30, 2020, 11:15:53 pm
I missed his post the last time I posted.  But since it's part of the V5 lore then that sucks.  I also did not like the idea of having E and Lily breakup.  Well hopefully he won't turn up as a vampire in Seattle when Bloodlines 2 is released.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on May 30, 2020, 11:16:15 pm
All I get from that is that Arthur was a vampire; not that he had a doppelganger. 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 31, 2020, 08:42:33 am
All I get from that is that Arthur was a vampire; not that he had a doppelganger. 
This can be easily debunked by using Auspex on him.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 31, 2020, 02:35:23 pm
Let's write to White Wolf, see what they say :angel: !
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on May 31, 2020, 04:22:25 pm
Let's write to White Wolf, see what they say :angel: !
Well you can ask Outstar she works for WoD now.  :vampwink:
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on June 01, 2020, 04:29:42 am
All I get from that is that Arthur was a vampire; not that he had a doppelganger. 
This can be easily debunked by using Auspex on him.

I didn't say I believed it (I don't) - it just doesn't add up.  It's just that the link Highwayman667 provided seems to say he was  vampire,  but I don't get where people think he had a double from that.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 01, 2020, 04:41:05 am
I didn't say I believed it (I don't) - it just doesn't add up.  It's just that the link Highwayman667 provided seems to say he was  vampire,  but I don't get where people think he had a double from that.

Credit goes to Wilhelm-Streicher on the link  :wink:
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on June 01, 2020, 05:21:51 am
Thanks; I do tend to miss details sometimes.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wesp5 on June 01, 2020, 08:00:36 am
It's just that the link Highwayman667 provided seems to say he was  vampire,  but I don't get where people think he had a double from that.
I believe this is just the fans making things up to explain the obvious blunder they made there. Maybe IanW knows better?
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 01, 2020, 11:31:56 am
I didn't say I believed it (I don't) - it just doesn't add up.  It's just that the link Highwayman667 provided seems to say he was  vampire,  but I don't get where people think he had a double from that.
I assume the wiki guys (and /or girls) just saw the name "Arthur Kilpatrick" and wait a minute the Bloodlines 1 Arthur is clearly a human but in the Nick Kilpatrick description from the V5 Camarilla source book was stated that Nick "was embraced in 1994 by his brother Arthur. So Bloodlines 1 Arthur must be fake or a really big conincidence that both Arthur Kilpatrick share the same name, companyname and therefore profession.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on June 01, 2020, 04:38:40 pm
To get back to topic:I really love Mitnick, the Nosferatu tech guy. He is normally the first character, I encounter after the sewers with their hostile Tzimisce creatures and he is such a nice character.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on June 01, 2020, 04:56:20 pm
Mitnick instantly became a favorite of mine when I first met him.  Before meeting him I was terrified at the idea of encountering Nosferatu.  But Mitnick is just a computer geek like me.  Then I met Imalia and Gary and now the Nosferatu are one of my favorite clans.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 01, 2020, 05:05:07 pm
To get back to topic:I really love Mitnick, the Nosferatu tech guy. He is normally the first character, I encounter after the sewers with their hostile Tzimisce creatures and he is such a nice character.


Mitnick is fantastic. His little hacking quests are also a lot of fun.

I do wish Imalia got some love in BL2. Her insane demeanor would be a fantastic addition to the game but I don't think many fans liked her :rofl:
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Talyn82 on June 01, 2020, 06:37:57 pm
I didn't like Imalia that much.  But I liked that despite her vampirism she still acts like a spoiled model.  But either way I wish the Nosferatu would've had more screen time.  Especially Gary and Mitnick.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on June 01, 2020, 07:19:49 pm
I would love to see Imalia grow as a person, get over her sense of loss of her former life and find something new.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on June 01, 2020, 09:36:41 pm
I would love to see Imalia grow as a person, get over her sense of loss of her former life and find something new.
So basically everything about her should change. Of course people can change but what´s the point inbringing Imalia or Kiki back if they don´t act as we known them for.
A more kinder Imalia is of course much more likeable but for me its not Imalia. I am still mad that she give me just $200 for Guy Magazine but the price was $400 or even $500.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on June 01, 2020, 10:02:54 pm
I am still mad thatshe give me just $200 for Guy Magazine but the price was $400 or even $500.
Oh I hated her so much at that moment :rofl:


I guess it depends. I can't imagine Imalia being kind in any way... but if she was, I would hope it was to serve a storytelling purpose.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: fylimar on June 01, 2020, 11:03:36 pm
Wilhelm: Nowhere will you find anything about how I said, Imalia should become a nicer person, that will never happen. But she is headstrong and dedicated and if she stops whining about her lost model looks and start bringing her talents to better use, she can become a very efficient Nosferatu. And I didn't say, I want her back, someone mentioned her and I gave my opinion about her. That basically is, that she has potential as a character (and I did use her in a short story of mine) and that it would be nice seeing her putting her dedication to use somewhere else.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Happydeathclaw on June 25, 2020, 09:31:43 pm
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Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Wicih on July 11, 2020, 12:54:53 am
Surly its Straus, Jack and Pisha, I take them 3 as a kind of archetypes of Kindreds.

Max is typical Camarilla's vampire, who trust Masquerade and hard rules

Jack belives only his own rules, he is anarch more than any punk kid on strreet

And Pisha is kind of Vampire abomination focused on growing in power, not thiking about rules etc

I think these 3 are most colorful Bloodlines characters that shows VtM image
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: page on August 31, 2020, 12:24:36 pm
I favor NPCs that fit my interpretation of World of Darkness and are connected to interesting quests... also, if their appearance somehow makes the world richer, more fleshed out etc., I tend to enjoy them and come back regularly. Thankfully most guys and gals in Bloodlines have much to offer, so pretty much anyone we come up with is a good choice.
So, to give some names, likely picked earlier:
Vandal. For some reason I really, really like the hospital in Santa Monica, the atmosphere gets me, there is much to do in that area, and it's likely my first steps ever in VTMB led me there. Funny thing is, I'm almost sure it only occured to me on 2nd or 3rd playthrough that Vandal actually is a ghoul - just assumed he's more of a sociopath who sells blood without asking too many questions. Maybe the Voerman e-mails went over my head or just were not discovered at that point. When I talk to the guy, I picture young version of Woody Harrelson, he has that savage appearance mixed with gallows humor [Employee of the Month!]
Arthur Kilpatrick. Another shady guy in Santa Monica, but he has a lot to say about surroundings and his job, which I appreciate. Not sure if I like V5 canon and vampire/impostor storylines, I'd rather have him as a typical blue collar sexist fatso, somehow oblivious to crime and misdeeds taking place just outside his office. His PC comes up in other quests and I wouldn't mind if developers came up with other jobs at later stages of the game.
Voermans
. Heart and soul of Santa Monica.
Venus
. World of Darkness needs goths, pure and simple. I could imagine Downtown without Empire Arms, Skyeline Apartments or even Fat Larry, but Confession is a defining place, a landmark really. Which makes me wonder if Bloodlines 2 gives us similar place to hang out! When it comes to Venus, it's good to see a strong, brooding character that has nothing to do with vampires or ghouls for a change.
Romero
. Cool shirt, double-barrel and horror movies - what's not to like?
Alistair Grout. Mysterious guy who is a centrepiece of truly ground-breaking quest, and I'm so glad we never meet him in person. Imagination filling the gaps works wonders in his case.


Other names come to mind but that's it for now. I'll just mention that anyone with deep knowledge of vampiric lore - be it Bertram, Beckett or Jack - has bonus points, world-building is truly important.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: thewarsend on August 31, 2020, 01:21:42 pm
It is incredibly difficult to pick, I love most of the NPC's in Bloodlines. But if I had to pick one, I would go with Heather Poe without a doubt.

Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Highwayman667 on August 31, 2020, 02:39:24 pm
It is incredibly difficult to pick, I love most of the NPC's in Bloodlines. But if I had to pick one, I would go with Heather Poe without a doubt.


She's deffinitely one of the best. Before the controversy I wanted to see her in BL2, even though there was hard chance of that.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Happydeathclaw on August 31, 2020, 05:46:13 pm
Grünfeld Bach. He's funny. And Gary. And the fang and the jaw.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: thewarsend on August 31, 2020, 07:01:42 pm
She's deffinitely one of the best. Before the controversy I wanted to see her in BL2, even though there was hard chance of that.
It is still a possibility despite the controversy. Considering both Damsel and Heather Poe share a voice actress. (Courtenay Taylor)

I doubt they have revealed every character two will return from Bloodlines yet. Maybe they planned this.
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: Nanaloma on September 01, 2020, 01:25:37 am
The way things are going, IF the game is ever released, Damsel will probably have sparklies all around her while soaring on a flying carpet with cheerleader pom poms in her hands. 
Title: Re: Favorite NPC?
Post by: page on September 02, 2020, 08:17:28 am
Do we have any info on Damsel's role in sequel?
Anything other than that awkward video where she shows up with swollen face and a wig?

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