Clans To Play Question

[Aurelian]

You mean generally the whole v5 or there where some radical changes on the gangrels too?

I dislike the changes in the political landscape that happened among the various vampire clans and factions. Some, at least to my eyes, make little to no sense.

[Barabbah]

Ah ok then. I was thinking there were some changes on gangrels too

[Highwayman667]

You mean generally the whole v5 or there where some radical changes on the gangrels too?

I dislike the changes in the political landscape that happened among the various vampire clans and factions. Some, at least to my eyes, make little to no sense.

Such as ?

[Barabbah]

You mean generally the whole v5 or there where some radical changes on the gangrels too?

I dislike the changes in the political landscape that happened among the various vampire clans and factions. Some, at least to my eyes, make little to no sense.

Such as ?

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade_5th_Edition

[Gringo Starr]

Hey kindred, I'm also waiting impatiently for Bloodlines 2, and a bit in sixes and sevens, I must say, pre-release information considered. The word it's based on V5. Would you mind to pinpoint exactly what you don't like about it?

P.S. I don't own the book, but what I heard about V5 doesn't sound very good. I'm into V20 and Revised if that helps.

[Barabbah]

Summary of changes:

The NSA hacked the nossies network, discovering the existence of vampires. The Second Inquisition is started. The tremere chantry of Vienna was bombed by the inquisition (formed of secret services and the society of leopold). With the tremere weakened (now downgraded as mere mercenaries) and the incoming war, the political map of the vampire underworld radically evolved.

The camarilla had opened their doors to anyone who wants to join but it also declared war to who doesn't. All cammie brujah instead had left and gone to the anarchs along with "the ministry" (made of the western setites since they had to fled away: the sabbat invaded their territories since they are preparing to fight the elders moved in the east recently). Furthermore the "banu haqim" (the biggest faction of the assamites after its internal schism) joined the camarilla as will soon do the lasombra (I believe this is a plan to defeat the ventrues from the inside but that's only my opinion)

Minor noteworthy changes are the creation of the "hecata" (an union of giovanni, cappadocians and samedi after they were decimated, specially the cappadocians by the harbingers), and a notable growth of caitiffs and thin bloods. Gangrel are more animalistic in their human form, ventrue are more spoiled in their blood needs, malks are even more crazy, ravnos and tzimisce are furthermore in decline. The only untouched by this events are apparently the torries

Rules:

- Difficulty is determined by how many successes you have to roll. The target number is always 6.
- Hunger instead of Bloodpoints is introduced. Hunger Dice substitute normal dice in the dice pool and can lead to Bestial Failures or Criticals.
- Blood Potency now determines how well a vampire can use its blood. It is partly determined by Generation.
- All Disciplines were overhauled. Some are merged in similar ones as alternatives (dementiation in domination, serpentis in protean) others are merged into new ones (thaumaturgy and quietus into the blood sorcery, obtenebration and necromancy into oblivion). Thin blood alchemy is introduced
- Humanity now is also inflenced by social bonds (Touchstones)
- Damage now only has two different types: superficial or aggravated.
- People have a special Blood Resonance depending on their emotional state.

[Gringo Starr]

That's some food for thought, many thanks.
No way, the Camarilla, they got screwed big, the Sabbat are largely downgraded from now. For a time, until V6, maybe, still no good. Difficulty rolls are, how it's called today, streamlined. No good either. Other changes doesn't look so bad, interesting even, but what about Humanity? Do you own V5, have you tried to play it in tabletop, and what's a reliable H rating you can stabilize at? What I heard is low H is unplayable from now.

[Barabbah]

Honestly only recently I managed to do my first tapletop game (and it was D&D). So, I have no experience at all on v5. Sorry.

[Gringo Starr]

Thanks again, dude, this was enough, I'm not going to buy V5, though I own V20 Anniversary and my trusty Revised, and number of supplements. In paper. Not into B2 preorder too. It will be inspired by V5, not V5 to the letter like any game are, but no, no pigs in a poke for me. I will wait for the youtube letsplay thing.
If you're also into paper, do you also think that art from Revised is the best? So edgy and stylish! V20 Anniversary's passable, but there are much better less known digital and traditional artists over here.

Cheers from Sabbat to Camarilla (I assume).  Really. I'm not sarcastic there, from the advent of Internet we're learned that Europeans wear curtains, their income are mostly taxes, etc. We're on the same boat. Equally fucked, just in different ways.

[Barabbah]

I don't remember good the books but the artists yes: for example I really love the artworks of Tim Bradstreet and Mark Kelly

And I really wish some other famous artists to do some stuff for our loved bloodsuckers....

[Gringo Starr]

Famous. What you mean, pros from ArtStation or stars from DeviantArt on bot fuel? Thanky, I'll pass. Gimme some talented. They're royalty-free and, yes, cheap very often. Some sell the complete package, rights boxed in. Some even abandoned their art years ago, it's free to use. Our times, talent and fame are different words, very different, yes.

[Barabbah]

I was actually thinking of renowned comic book artists.

For example:


Gabriele Dell'otto


Dan Brereton


Ben Templesmith

[Gringo Starr]

The good examples of art you've put, but I doubt WW has enough funds to afford artists of this kind. What I said, they used some stars from DeviantArt for V20 Anniversary, but there's a lot of better art on DA and other places even cheaper or free, save faves and fame. My bet is, V5 is illustrated even worse.

[Ghanima_Atreides]

I never played all of the clans, but I played Toreador several times.  It's my favourite clan,

I dream of playing a Sabbat Toreador.

That could indeed be interesting, my boyfriend had a Toreador who knew Vicissitude. She wasn't Sabbat per se, but she was quite disturbed and her "art" would have given many Tzimisce a run for their money.

[Barabbah]

I never played all of the clans, but I played Toreador several times.  It's my favourite clan,

I dream of playing a Sabbat Toreador.

That could indeed be interesting, my boyfriend had a Toreador who knew Vicissitude. She wasn't Sabbat per se, but she was quite disturbed and her "art" would have given many Tzimisce a run for their money.

Ah, a Volgirre!