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Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« on: May 27, 2019, 05:58:54 PM »
Hi !
I just wanted to make sure : it seems that the description for Dexterity is misleading.
The description says : "Determines the speed and agility of your character".
Well, I did some tests, and it seems that the speed of your character in fight isn't affected AT ALL by Dexterity.
It seems that it only affects lockpicking and sneaking. So... totally useless in fight ? I don't even think that your character runs faster...

Question : is it usefull to invest more than one dot (4 exp) into Dex ? Because I discovered that with Fae Charm and Bloodbuff you have Dex 5, so you can lockpick everything. And if it's useless in fights I don't see the point to invest into the second Dex dot (8 exp) in this game... Maybe I'm missing something about Dex ?

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2019, 04:39:08 AM »
Hi !
I just wanted to make sure : it seems that the description for Dexterity is misleading.
The description says : "Determines the speed and agility of your character".
Well, I did some tests, and it seems that the speed of your character in fight isn't affected AT ALL by Dexterity.
It seems that it only affects lockpicking and sneaking. So... totally useless in fight ? I don't even think that your character runs faster...

Question : is it usefull to invest more than one dot (4 exp) into Dex ? Because I discovered that with Fae Charm and Bloodbuff you have Dex 5, so you can lockpick everything. And if it's useless in fights I don't see the point to invest into the second Dex dot (8 exp) in this game... Maybe I'm missing something about Dex ?

Going on a limb:  I think it affects hacking too but there's a way to improve that too (I can't remember what it's called - the discipline that allows you to see auras) if you are the right two clans. 

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2019, 05:56:40 AM »
the discipline that allows you to see auras

Vicissitude?
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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2019, 08:27:34 AM »
Quote from: Nanaloma
Going on a limb:  I think it affects hacking too but there's a way to improve that too (I can't remember what it's called - the discipline that allows you to see auras) if you are the right two clans.
Wasn't hacking determined by "Computer" and Wits only ? I don't think Dex helps in hacking (at least in the vanilla game... I don't remember about the mods tho).
And if you are talking about Auspex, it raises Wits. That's why Auspex helps in hacking.

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2019, 08:35:24 AM »
the discipline that allows you to see auras

Vicissitude?
Vicissitude for seeing auras? You mean by peeling the skin off and looking inside? :-P

But back to the topic.
You need Dex for sneaking and lockpicking. So if you're willing to spend blood every time you have to do one of those, you can keep it at low level.
There is one, but admittedly not very powerful, use for Dex in combat. When you press TAB in melee you add your Dex score to the defense feat. But of course while parrying this way you cannot attack.
Nanaloma, you're confusing Wits and Dex. Wits helps with defense and hacking, and you can add a point to Wits when using Protean, and one or more points with Auspex.
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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2019, 09:03:30 AM »
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There is one, but admittedly not very powerful, use for Dex in combat. When you press TAB in melee you add your Dex score to the defense feat. But of course while parrying this way you cannot attack.
Oh ? I didn't know about that. I admit that I never ever pressed TAB in any of my games x) Thanks for the info !

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2019, 04:51:47 PM »
the discipline that allows you to see auras

Vicissitude?
Vicissitude for seeing auras? You mean by peeling the skin off and looking inside? :-P

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Quote from: Malkav
There is one, but admittedly not very powerful, use for Dex in combat. When you press TAB in melee you add your Dex score to the defense feat. But of course while parrying this way you cannot attack.
Oh ? I didn't know about that. I admit that I never ever pressed TAB in any of my games x) Thanks for the info !

I always change some of the keys (like right click to parrying, Q to activate discipline and F4 to screenshot)
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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2019, 01:01:02 AM »
Thanks - I'm always leery when my memory is involved and I haven't played the game in a while.  Auspex was the discipline I couldn't remember.   

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2019, 03:39:32 AM »
Quote from: Malkav
There is one, but admittedly not very powerful, use for Dex in combat. When you press TAB in melee you add your Dex score to the defense feat. But of course while parrying this way you cannot attack.
Oh ? I didn't know about that. I admit that I never ever pressed TAB in any of my games x) Thanks for the info !

I don't think anyone does. It's more effective to just slash away indiscriminately.

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2019, 04:41:55 PM »
Quote from: Malkav
There is one, but admittedly not very powerful, use for Dex in combat. When you press TAB in melee you add your Dex score to the defense feat. But of course while parrying this way you cannot attack.
Oh ? I didn't know about that. I admit that I never ever pressed TAB in any of my games x) Thanks for the info !

I don't think anyone does. It's more effective to just slash away indiscriminately.
That's what I thought !
This feeling when you discover that there is a defense button when you have been playing this game for YEARS... x)
I thought I played very badly all those years haha

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2019, 06:07:24 PM »
This feeling when you discover that there is a defense button when you have been playing this game for YEARS... x)

I never use this myself, but then I always use firearms if possible ;)!

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Re: Dexterity totally useless in fight ?
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2019, 03:38:43 AM »
This feeling when you discover that there is a defense button when you have been playing this game for YEARS... x) I thought I played very badly all those years haha

Maybe it's easier ? More effective overall ? None of us can really say the combat was particularly well designed. I do believe though that it is more fun than people give it credit.