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Title: Clans To Play Question
Post by: khaos526 on February 08, 2019, 09:23:15 PM
  I had this game many years back and just re-bought it off steam in case there's more updates, so it's been awhile.

  I've previously played as: Ventrue, Malkavian , Tremere and played 1/4 through with Gangrel (and hated it).

  Currently I'm under 1/2 through as Nosferatu and enjoy it almost as much as Malkavian (Tremere was not bad either).

  Ventrue I couldn't really base much on as it was my very first game play, but I'm curious what people think whose played the Toreador and Brujah?  They just seem to be dull in my experience (with the NPC's in my other playthroughs)

  Are they even worth playing through with either Brujah or Toreador?  Or should I give the Gangrel another try (as it has been years) and just not bother with the Brujah or Toreador?
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on February 08, 2019, 11:55:10 PM
For years I was fixated with the tremere but recently I've found out the toreados is what really I love. Now I'm actually trying the gangrel, not bad at all. While I've tried ever the brujah I still won't advise against it, everybody have their gaming style, so it all depends on your tastes.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: deicide on February 09, 2019, 02:02:15 AM
Brujah and Toreador aren't substantially different to Ventrue, dialogues are almost the same sans Dominate and an opportunity to suggest that pissant to get a job. Yeah, rich bitch with a financial capital of 50$.
Guess you would be better off with mods after the Nosferatu playthrough.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: khaos526 on February 09, 2019, 08:35:51 AM
Thanks for the input, and what I was really hoping for was that there was a difference between Ventrue, Toreador and Brujah.  So they are pretty much the same other than the disciplines.

  Guess I was hoping for better unique dialogue between the 3.  Maybe I'll re-try the Gangrel then and see if I like it now.  Just can't believe I've waited this long to try the Nosferatu and found out it's almost as much fun, if not as much as playing a Malkavian...
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: deicide on February 09, 2019, 08:45:35 AM
Strictly speaking, there are some dialogue lines unique to each clan here and here, but nothing really important. Gangrel's attack animation with Protean, especially 5 lvl, is botched, it was irritating to me.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Malkav on February 09, 2019, 10:04:02 AM
Strictly speaking, there are some dialogue lines unique to each clan here and here, but nothing really important.
What is there apart from the haven bum and the different reaction of the Santa Monica Blueblood to Toreador, tremere and Ventrue?
Okay, each clan has a specific response when asking Bertram about the clans and you can milk some more money out of Lacroix. But I think that's it, unless you count Nossie dialogs or the few places whre the Malk talks complete bullshit.
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Gangrel's attack animation with Protean, especially 5 lvl, is botched, it was irritating to me.
I agree, you can't play a Gangrel without Protean and protean is unusable. And even if the claw attacks weren't so botched, this ridiculous bunny hop pisses me off every time I see it.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on February 09, 2019, 11:45:53 AM
I never played all of the clans, but I played Toreador several times.  :razz: It's my favourite clan, plus I like playing it with characters who talk their way out of situations (although my Tremere did the same thing).

I am one of the few who isn't fond of the Malkavians . *ducks* I like my Malkavians to be less about silly outfits and nonsense talk and more about Dr. Grout-a-like appearance of sanity which conceals a pretty dark and disturbed mind underneath.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on February 09, 2019, 02:18:07 PM
Vampires of the same clan often have unique line (specially Tremeres and Strauss). Or "opposing clans", like when you met Gary with a Torrie:
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Gary: Boo!
PC: You are the most offensive and obscene thing I've ever seen.
Gary: En garde, Toreador. You vainglorious, narcissistic poseur! How I loathe that determination of your kind to belie your true nature with Paris fashions and pomp. You are a dead thing - a creature of the shadows. Start acting like one.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on February 09, 2019, 02:54:41 PM
Vampires of the same clan often have unique line (specially Tremeres and Strauss). Or "opposing clans", like when you met Gary with a Torrie:
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Gary: Boo!
PC: You are the most offensive and obscene thing I've ever seen.
Gary: En garde, Toreador. You vainglorious, narcissistic poseur! How I loathe that determination of your kind to belie your true nature with Paris fashions and pomp. You are a dead thing - a creature of the shadows. Start acting like one.

Tung called my nice Torrie girl "Cleopatra" and accused her of trying to butter him up, saying her silver tongue is lost on him. She was just being nice, dude!  :rofl: Gary ought to be...fun.  :razz:
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: deicide on February 09, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
I am one of the few who isn't fond of the Malkavians . *ducks*
Ducks? Where? Ducks are anathema! (с).

I don't remember exactly, but Anarchs are less mean to Brujah character and Gangrel has a few unique lines during the confrontation with serial murderer.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on February 09, 2019, 06:10:50 PM
I don't remember exactly, but Anarchs are less mean to Brujah character and Gangrel has a few unique lines during the confrontation with serial murderer.

Exactly. And we can continue to quote many many other gems like those.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: khaos526 on February 10, 2019, 07:11:29 PM
I figure then Issac will have unique lines then for a Toreador then.  Maybe I'll give it a try next playthough since it's been years playing Ventrue and maybe it'll seem different now for me...
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Porphyria on March 23, 2019, 03:55:10 PM
I mean, my documented failure at playing Bloodlines was pretty legendary way back, but just don't play Ventrue. Yeah Dominate is fun, but it makes things waaaay less annoying later playing something with Celerity. Not to mention I don't think there is any special Ventrue dialogue at all with Lacroix, which there should be. I got NO love from homeboy, and in fact got the WORST scenario possible because if he feels you snuggled up to Nines at all, he'll be pissy with you for most of the game and banish you to that Santa Monica shit-hole apartment forever. I hate Lacroix lol
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Sinestro on March 23, 2019, 07:21:42 PM
I'm in a similar boat as the OP, want to experience the game a 3rd time after

1) playing a Toreador with guns
2) playing a Tremere with blood explosions... and guns

So I feel like I should play a melee focused character to spice up the gameplay, leaving me with Brujah, Gangrel Nosferatu and possibly Malk (altho I watched a malk lets play some time ago)

So what would you guys suggest for an experience as fresh as possible combat, gameplay and dialogue-wise. What should I not be missing out on?
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Aurelian on March 24, 2019, 12:21:16 AM
I never played all of the clans, but I played Toreador several times.  :razz: It's my favourite clan,

I dream of playing a Sabbat Toreador.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Malkav on March 24, 2019, 01:35:20 AM
I'm in a similar boat as the OP, want to experience the game a 3rd time after

1) playing a Toreador with guns
2) playing a Tremere with blood explosions... and guns

So I feel like I should play a melee focused character to spice up the gameplay, leaving me with Brujah, Gangrel Nosferatu and possibly Malk (altho I watched a malk lets play some time ago)

So what would you guys suggest for an experience as fresh as possible combat, gameplay and dialogue-wise. What should I not be missing out on?
Well, Brujah is much like Toreador disciplinewise. Gangrel would be interesting if the protean claws weren't that bugged. Both Nosferatu and Malk are interesting choices where the gameplay differs at least a bit from the other clans. For Nossies more so if you ignore the Malk's fancy talking which almost never leads to really different replies.
Nossies with Potence are predisposed for melee and for both clans stealth quests are easier due to obfuscate.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: deicide on March 24, 2019, 06:57:36 AM
I dream of playing a Sabbat Toreador.
Ha! Then give that mean concept album I've mentioned in the music thread a listen, it will certainly provide some inspiration for the task. Could direct you to its cover, uh, art as well.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Sinestro on March 24, 2019, 09:25:20 AM
Well, Brujah is much like Toreador disciplinewise. Gangrel would be interesting if the protean claws weren't that bugged. Both Nosferatu and Malk are interesting choices where the gameplay differs at least a bit from the other clans. For Nossies more so if you ignore the Malk's fancy talking which almost never leads to really different replies.
Nossies with Potence are predisposed for melee and for both clans stealth quests are easier due to obfuscate.

Thanks for the reply Malkav, I still went with a female Brujah do have some interesting seduction options (both other playthroughs were with male characters) and couldnt bring myself to being that hideous as a nossie haha.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Aurelian on March 24, 2019, 12:38:52 PM
Ha! Then give that mean concept album I've mentioned in the music thread a listen, it will certainly provide some inspiration for the task. Could direct you to its cover, uh, art as well.

Do so, my friend, perhaps private message?
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Nothingness on March 25, 2019, 06:07:23 PM
Gangrel is my my favorite clan to play, love their skills, they're hardy and badass.  I love that they may seem human at first, but if you start to look at them closely, you notice they're not.  And personnally I love their claws, looks feral.  They don't look monstrous like Nofteratu, but like them they have to hide and cover themselves, hidden in the shadows.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on March 25, 2019, 08:50:25 PM
I'd love to be an anarch torrie, using his art for the cause (like would Isaac do) but also doing investigations and blackmailing people and vampires of power.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Aurelian on March 25, 2019, 09:50:37 PM
Gangrel is my my favorite clan to play, love their skills, they're hardy and badass.  I love that they may seem human at first, but if you start to look at them closely, you notice they're not.  And personnally I love their claws, looks feral.  They don't look monstrous like Nofteratu, but like them they have to hide and cover themselves, hidden in the shadows.

My first VTM character was a devout Christian Gangrel who walked the road of Saint Hubert and Saint Eustace, who were both hunters that converted to Christianity after experiencing a vision in which they saw a Christian cross between the antlers of a stag. The famous Jägermeister drink has a beautiful poem that relates to this.

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This is the hunter's badge of glory,
That he protects and tend his quarry,
Hunts with honor, as is due,
And honors the Creator in His creatures.

(https://images.ctfassets.net/kjc0jmow0idt/UYpvx3rFcWs6Cc4cY8Go8/e79a7739b251b1c4ca8ff24db9bc66bf/hubertus_01.jpg)


Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Nanaloma on March 25, 2019, 10:58:28 PM
If the game was only more flexible;  can you imagine the exchange between your character and Bishop Vick?   :cometome:
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Aurelian on March 25, 2019, 11:06:00 PM
If the game was only more flexible;  can you imagine the exchange between your character and Bishop Vick?   :cometome:

More or less.

My Gangrel would honor the God in hunting down all members of the Brotherhood of the Ninth Circle.

After all, what is the thrill of hunting a deer compared to the joyous thrill of hunting a true predator, a Kindred.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Raving_Neonate on April 02, 2019, 07:32:33 PM
A great experiment would be a crusader-based character... I wonder how would he integrate with modern LA. If you think about it, the very concept would give rise to an interesting device for great storytelling, an interesting quest or two.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Malkav on April 02, 2019, 07:44:09 PM
A great experiment would be a crusader-based character... I wonder how would he integrate with modern LA. If you think about it, the very concept would give rise to an interesting device for great storytelling, an interesting quest or two.
Played Redemption lately? :razz:
Question is, how he would come to LA and still have a medieval mindset? If he was in torpor until recently how did he get to America? And if he is awake long enough to have been able to travel there, he should be more or less up to date.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Nanaloma on April 03, 2019, 12:41:26 AM
Ah, but that was all covered in Redemption too. 
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Nothingness on April 03, 2019, 01:11:14 AM
I started the game again... as a Gangrel, before Bloodlines 2 comes out next year.  I generally just play Gangrel again and again, I tried Tremere once, it's the other clan I find interesting, but well, just love my female Gangrel, with points in Seduction makes game easier to feed on people.  Maybe because to me the Gangrel is the closest to my idea of a real vampire, strong, hardy, lots of stamina, can turn into bats, wolves, mist, can call animal spirits for help, like bats and wolves.  I don't play the Vampire Mascarade games from White Wolf, though, saw some of their books on Vampires the Mascarade from them in a store in English.  I'm French-Canadian and my English was pretty bad, and my friends' English was worse.  Anyway, so my sole experience I have with their PnP is with their videogames.  I bought Bloodlines first when it came out, found it amazing, and Redemption much much later on GOG.  I haven't played Redemption yet.

I wonder if I should buy that to prepare for Bloodlines 2:

https://www.modiphius.net/collections/vampire-the-masquerade/products/vampire-the-masquerade-5th-edition-core-book-pdf
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Aurelian on April 03, 2019, 03:24:23 PM
Nothingness, I would recommend Gangrel revised clanbook if you are fond of the Gangrel clan. I am not that enthusiastic about lore changes in V5.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 03, 2019, 04:18:15 PM
Nothingness, I would recommend Gangrel revised clanbook if you are fond of the Gangrel clan. I am not that enthusiastic about lore changes in V5.

You mean generally the whole v5 or there where some radical changes on the gangrels too?
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Aurelian on April 03, 2019, 04:28:49 PM
You mean generally the whole v5 or there where some radical changes on the gangrels too?

I dislike the changes in the political landscape that happened among the various vampire clans and factions. Some, at least to my eyes, make little to no sense.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 03, 2019, 10:41:19 PM
Ah ok then. I was thinking there were some changes on gangrels too
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 08, 2019, 06:53:38 AM
You mean generally the whole v5 or there where some radical changes on the gangrels too?

I dislike the changes in the political landscape that happened among the various vampire clans and factions. Some, at least to my eyes, make little to no sense.

Such as ?
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 08, 2019, 07:16:19 AM
You mean generally the whole v5 or there where some radical changes on the gangrels too?

I dislike the changes in the political landscape that happened among the various vampire clans and factions. Some, at least to my eyes, make little to no sense.

Such as ?

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade_5th_Edition (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade_5th_Edition)
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Gringo Starr on April 08, 2019, 01:18:09 PM
Hey kindred, I'm also waiting impatiently for Bloodlines 2, and a bit in sixes and sevens, I must say, pre-release information considered. The word it's based on V5. Would you mind to pinpoint exactly what you don't like about it?

P.S. I don't own the book, but what I heard about V5 doesn't sound very good. I'm into V20 and Revised if that helps.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 08, 2019, 03:03:52 PM
Summary of changes:

The NSA hacked the nossies network, discovering the existence of vampires. The Second Inquisition is started. The tremere chantry of Vienna was bombed by the inquisition (formed of secret services and the society of leopold). With the tremere weakened (now downgraded as mere mercenaries) and the incoming war, the political map of the vampire underworld radically evolved.

The camarilla had opened their doors to anyone who wants to join but it also declared war to who doesn't. All cammie brujah instead had left and gone to the anarchs along with "the ministry" (made of the western setites since they had to fled away: the sabbat invaded their territories since they are preparing to fight the elders moved in the east recently). Furthermore the "banu haqim" (the biggest faction of the assamites after its internal schism) joined the camarilla as will soon do the lasombra (I believe this is a plan to defeat the ventrues from the inside but that's only my opinion)

Minor noteworthy changes are the creation of the "hecata" (an union of giovanni, cappadocians and samedi after they were decimated, specially the cappadocians by the harbingers), and a notable growth of caitiffs and thin bloods. Gangrel are more animalistic in their human form, ventrue are more spoiled in their blood needs, malks are even more crazy, ravnos and tzimisce are furthermore in decline. The only untouched by this events are apparently the torries

Rules:

- Difficulty is determined by how many successes you have to roll. The target number is always 6.
- Hunger instead of Bloodpoints is introduced. Hunger Dice substitute normal dice in the dice pool and can lead to Bestial Failures or Criticals.
- Blood Potency now determines how well a vampire can use its blood. It is partly determined by Generation.
- All Disciplines were overhauled. Some are merged in similar ones as alternatives (dementiation in domination, serpentis in protean) others are merged into new ones (thaumaturgy and quietus into the blood sorcery, obtenebration and necromancy into oblivion). Thin blood alchemy is introduced
- Humanity now is also inflenced by social bonds (Touchstones)
- Damage now only has two different types: superficial or aggravated.
- People have a special Blood Resonance depending on their emotional state.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Gringo Starr on April 08, 2019, 03:41:04 PM
That's some food for thought, many thanks.
No way, the Camarilla, they got screwed big, the Sabbat are largely downgraded from now. For a time, until V6, maybe, still no good. Difficulty rolls are, how it's called today, streamlined. No good either. Other changes doesn't look so bad, interesting even, but what about Humanity? Do you own V5, have you tried to play it in tabletop, and what's a reliable H rating you can stabilize at? What I heard is low H is unplayable from now.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 08, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
Honestly only recently I managed to do my first tapletop game (and it was D&D). So, I have no experience at all on v5. Sorry.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Gringo Starr on April 08, 2019, 07:43:51 PM
Thanks again, dude, this was enough, I'm not going to buy V5, though I own V20 Anniversary and my trusty Revised, and number of supplements. In paper. Not into B2 preorder too. It will be inspired by V5, not V5 to the letter like any game are, but no, no pigs in a poke for me. I will wait for the youtube letsplay thing.
If you're also into paper, do you also think that art from Revised is the best? So edgy and stylish! V20 Anniversary's passable, but there are much better less known digital and traditional artists over here.

Cheers from Sabbat to Camarilla (I assume).  Really. I'm not sarcastic there, from the advent of Internet we're learned that Europeans wear curtains, their income are mostly taxes, etc. We're on the same boat. Equally fucked, just in different ways.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 08, 2019, 08:37:46 PM
I don't remember good the books but the artists yes: for example I really love the artworks of Tim Bradstreet and Mark Kelly

And I really wish some other famous artists to do some stuff for our loved bloodsuckers....
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Gringo Starr on April 08, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
Famous. What you mean, pros from ArtStation or stars from DeviantArt on bot fuel? Thanky, I'll pass. Gimme some talented. They're royalty-free and, yes, cheap very often. Some sell the complete package, rights boxed in. Some even abandoned their art years ago, it's free to use. Our times, talent and fame are different words, very different, yes.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 08, 2019, 11:08:12 PM
I was actually thinking of renowned comic book artists.

For example:

(http://static.guide.supereva.it/guide/marvel_comics/323260.jpg)
Gabriele Dell'otto

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1211607857_16.jpg)
Dan Brereton

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/35/e6/f8/35e6f89e476b6befb70cca32f25225b9--comic-manga-zombie-art.jpg)
Ben Templesmith
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Gringo Starr on April 09, 2019, 09:10:34 AM
The good examples of art you've put, but I doubt WW has enough funds to afford artists of this kind. What I said, they used some stars from DeviantArt for V20 Anniversary, but there's a lot of better art on DA and other places even cheaper or free, save faves and fame. My bet is, V5 is illustrated even worse.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 09, 2019, 05:14:13 PM
I never played all of the clans, but I played Toreador several times.  :razz: It's my favourite clan,

I dream of playing a Sabbat Toreador.

That could indeed be interesting, my boyfriend had a Toreador who knew Vicissitude. She wasn't Sabbat per se, but she was quite disturbed and her "art" would have given many Tzimisce a run for their money.
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: Barabbah on April 09, 2019, 08:31:00 PM
I never played all of the clans, but I played Toreador several times.  :razz: It's my favourite clan,

I dream of playing a Sabbat Toreador.

That could indeed be interesting, my boyfriend had a Toreador who knew Vicissitude. She wasn't Sabbat per se, but she was quite disturbed and her "art" would have given many Tzimisce a run for their money.

Ah, a Volgirre!
Title: Re: Clans To Play Question
Post by: fylimar on May 05, 2019, 01:37:19 PM
I haven't read much about V5, but Tremere as mercenaries sounds kind of fun. I never liked playing a Tremere because of the whole Pyramid thing and this new development would really interest me.
However, the Sabbat becoming nearly unimportant (from what I've heard so far) makes me dislike the new system a bit. I like playing Sabbat, especially Tzimisce.

About which clans to play:
My first finished playthrough of VTMB was with a Tremere and that was a lot of fun. It did save me the bad ending, because despite Rosas warning, I might have opened the sarcophagus, but since I wanted to be on STrauss' good side, I sided with him.

Gangrel was fun too. I constantly used Animalism and had a lot of fun with it.

Despite being a bit over the top, Malkavian is my favorite, although I always change the skin, since the original skin for female is just ridiculous. I either use the Tremere skin (my favorite of the original skins) or a mod called 'Subtle Malkavian' - which is a rework of a Torrie mod. But I like the insighte, the Malkavian has and of course the hilarious dialogue with Gary, when my Malk thought, he is one of the voices in her head - that was kind of cute.

I tried Toreador and got very far into the geame with her, but Torries are just not my cup of tea. Same with Brujah, with them, I don't like the disciplines much (apart from Celerity), but I guess, they are a great choice for a melee playthrough (as are Nossies).

Nossi is fun too. They are my third favorite clan (after Malkavian and Tzimisce) in P&P, so I had to play a Nossi. But like the Malkavian, I changed my Nossi because I hated his Bondage outfit - I mean... why? So I made him look like Barrabus, suited me better clothingwise.

I have yet to play a Ventrue, I started one and liked the disciplines, but like with the Torrie, I didn't made it to the end, don't know why.