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Offline Wesp5

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Re: Caine, the hoax or the last second gameplay design?
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2018, 08:30:16 AM »
Let's see, what is bad about so called Caine's blood curse and a bunch of antideluvians rising up millenias later to kill everyone...

You are repeating yourself ;). What I meant were not the powers of Caine or the Antedeluvians which is dislike as well! What is great in my opinion is to use that known myth that Caine took the first blood and was cursed to never die to make him the first vampire. You can skip the power stuff, this could come with old age and experience and as Caine has done nothing in millenia, why should he be powerful? The same goes to sleeping Elders...
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Re: Caine, the hoax or the last second gameplay design?
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2018, 11:32:27 AM »
Mh ha ha, no technicaly I wasn't repeating myself since I didn't bring up a other origin story to debate on the antideluvians's power again, we indeed agree on the subject.

I was trying to say that the ancient time as described by Anne Rice are, to quote you, much more believable to me than christian or hebraic myths, I don't know which one invented Adam and Eve and Caine and ect. I am unconfortable with comparing Rice's fiction and actual history, both because for the few that I know, historians don't have much to go on prior to the pharaonic egypt, when it come to cultural details anyway.
Still much details fit better than religious's stories that were written by people who probably never imagined that some day there would be other people trying to go back in time, so to speak, to learn as much actual history that they could.
Allow me to repeat myself, maybe, very probably, my summarize from before doesn't do justice to Rice's origin story. 

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Re: Caine, the hoax or the last second gameplay design?
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2018, 01:13:20 PM »
Let's see, what is bad about so called Caine's blood curse and a bunch of antideluvians rising up millenias later to kill everyone...

You are repeating yourself ;). What I meant were not the powers of Caine or the Antedeluvians which is dislike as well! What is great in my opinion is to use that known myth that Caine took the first blood and was cursed to never die to make him the first vampire. You can skip the power stuff, this could come with old age and experience and as Caine has done nothing in millenia, why should he be powerful? The same goes to sleeping Elders...

I've mentioned before that Beckett's Jyhad Diary suggests that blood thickens with age: in Dark Ages books, the 13th and 14th Generation are considered thin-bloods. In the modern nights the 13th Generation are all normal vampires: it's about half the 14th and all the 15th that are thin-blooded. The very first vampires of the 16th Generation are starting to appear...

Reading that was pretty mind-blowing for a lot of people, but even then, they didn't take it to its logical conclusion.

Closer to the end of the book, Beckett and his crew discover what might be an actual sarcophagus containing an Antediluvian. There's only remains inside, but testing of them indicates that it was a vampire. A thin-blooded vampire.

So... maybe the Antediluvians were, once, thin-bloods, and it's only with the benefit of the incredible age of the surviving Antediluvians that their blood has thickened and their power increased.
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Re: Caine, the hoax or the last second gameplay design?
« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2019, 08:25:47 PM »
Canonically, the existence of antediluvians was supposed to be the main Vampire mystery, and it's up to the players to decide and, possibly, find out which theory was true, if any.

You mean in Bloodlines or in the WOD games in general ?

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Re: Caine, the hoax or the last second gameplay design?
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2019, 11:20:21 PM »
I think it is the latter, not sure thought....
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