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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] therion25152033 on January 30, 2007, 05:36:00 PM
                The story, the music, the characters, the advancement, the enviroment, the variety, the speech, the immersion, the gameplay, best game I ever played, Bloodlines was the perfect game I just couldn't do anything else until it was over early in 2005, sucking on every tiny bit of content it had.
 
 But it left a void, playing it again won't cut it, and there is nothing remotly close to it even in the works.
 
 There's any hope for anything like it even in the future?                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Kyadoshi on January 30, 2007, 05:45:00 PM
                In Reply To #1
 
 Yep. Plenty of writers and programmers around. Just need someone with the passion to organize them.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on January 30, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
                In Reply To #1
 
 Well... we could try a massive write-in campaign to ActiVision...
 
 Encouraging new people to buy the game is another way. I've been doing so, on my own site... although my site is small and we don't advertise or anything. But... if the publisher saw a sudden upsurge in new sales of Bloodlines, then they would be foolish not to ask themselves "Why..?" and then (perhaps) act accordingly. Responding to the market is what it's all about, for publishers.
                       

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on January 30, 2007, 05:51:00 PM
                you are all aware of course that
 
 A.) write-in campaignss, no matter how huge, will never work, and have been tried regardless, all failing miserably.
 
 B.) Regardless of the volume of writers, programmers, and modders present here on PV, we lack the funds, manpower, dedication, technology, and most importantly liscencing to create even the most rhudimentry of video games.
 
 C.) A Vampire MMORPG has been announced by White Wolf (theres a thread about it somehwere), and will probably come out some time int he next 2-7 years.
 
 paitence fledglings (and tess), paitence.                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] CaptainBoxman on January 30, 2007, 05:53:00 PM
                In Reply To #4
 You beat me to it Az                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on January 30, 2007, 05:54:00 PM
                In Reply To #5
 
  thats me. fastest posts in the west...                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] CaptainBoxman on January 30, 2007, 05:56:00 PM
                In Reply To #6
 
 
 Yes......bastard                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] therion25152033 on January 30, 2007, 05:57:00 PM
                Oh well sign me in, and I scored an original copy, but damn I would do pretty much anything to help out.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on January 30, 2007, 05:58:00 PM
                In Reply To #7
 
 *Issac Hayes voice*
 
 Who's the limey brit bastard thats a sex machine to all the chicks?
 
 
 
 you damn right...
 
 [added Jan 30 2007 12:59PM]
 
 In Reply To #8
 
therion posted:

 Oh well sign me in, and I scored an original copy, but damn I would do pretty much anything to help out.

 
 did you read what i said AT ALL fledgling? NGH! not gonna happen! sit tight and wait for the MMO!                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Kyadoshi on January 30, 2007, 07:07:00 PM
                In Reply To #4
 
Azrael il Toreador posted:

 B.) Regardless of the volume of writers, programmers, and modders present here on PV, we lack the funds, manpower, dedication, technology, and most importantly liscencing to create even the most rhudimentry of video games.
 

 
 I disagree. I've seen some nice games and simulations created as class projects.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on January 30, 2007, 07:18:00 PM
                In Reply To #9
 
Azrael il Toreador posted:
did you read what i said AT ALL fledgling? NGH! not gonna happen! sit tight and wait for the MMO!

 
 But... what if the MMO sucks, like every other new MMO these days..?
 
 I think it works better as a single-player game. As an MMO, I fear that it's going to be cheapened and dumbed-down, to give it wider appeal. We can probably kiss all of the grittier, adult-oriented content bye-bye. Without mature themes, it'll possibly be little more than WoW-style kiddie krap... so if that turns out to be the case, I'll pass.
 
 Naturally, I hope I'm wrong. In fact, nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about this.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on January 30, 2007, 08:56:00 PM
                In Reply To #12
 
Tessera posted:

 
  like every other new MMO these days..?
 

 
 WoW much?                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] CaptainBoxman on January 30, 2007, 06:07:00 PM
               
 Lmfao! I couldn't stop laughing when I read that
 
 Nice one Az                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on January 30, 2007, 09:11:00 PM
                In Reply To #13
 
Azrael il Toreador posted:

 WoW much?

 
 WoW, EQ2, SWG, AO, Guild Wars... all junk. Warhammer, Age of Conan and Vanguard don't look like they're going to be any better. Everyone has been jumping on the MMO bus these days and most of what they're selling is pretty weak. That glutted market is doing wonders for the Chinese gold farmers, though.
 
 I haven't seen a good MMO that had any integrity since the pre-PoP days of the original EverQuest.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Kyadoshi on January 30, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
                In Reply To #14
 
 Have you tried Eve online? It's the only semi-promising one. But not much. It reminds me of UO before EA took over and screwed it up.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on January 30, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
                In Reply To #15
 
Kyadoshi posted:

 In Reply To #14
 
 Have you tried Eve online? It's the only semi-promising one.

 
 I haven't tried it, no. Quite a few people have suggested it to me before, though. I didn't include it in my little list because I have friends who tell me it's decent.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on January 31, 2007, 05:22:00 PM
                In Reply To #16
 
Tessera posted:

 In Reply To #15
 
Kyadoshi posted:

 In Reply To #14
 
 Have you tried Eve online? It's the only semi-promising one.

 
 I haven't tried it, no. Quite a few people have suggested it to me before, though. I didn't include it in my little list because I have friends who tell me it's decent.

 
 the devs who made EVE online are the ones making the vampiure MMO. :P MLAH                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Kyadoshi on January 31, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
                In Reply To #17
 
 I think it will be good. I'm sure they won't make it exactly like EvE, but I'll bet it certainly won't be a level grind game. Ick.
 
 Good, Bad? Your thoughts?
 
                       

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] RakishAzrael on January 31, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
                In Reply To #18
 
Kyadoshi posted:

 In Reply To #17
 
 
 
 Good, Bad? Your thoughts?
 
 

 
 theres a whole thread for that, called "New WoD game in the works" idk where it is, do a search.                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on January 31, 2007, 09:50:00 PM
                In Reply To #17
 
Azrael il Toreador posted:
the devs who made EVE online are the ones making the vampiure MMO. :P MLAH

 
 Which may or may not be a good thing. The exact same devs who created the original EverQuest are the people who produced Vanguard, but everything that I've seen and heard about Vanguard makes it seem pretty lame to me (bad showing at E3, bad feedback all throughout beta testing, etc). The classic EQ, on the other hand, was excellent. So, who knows.
 
 I'll keep an open mind. It would be nice to find a decent MMO one of these days.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Anaximander57641248 on February 02, 2007, 05:40:00 AM
                In Reply To #20
 
Tessera posted:

 Which may or may not be a good thing. The exact same devs who created the original EverQuest are the people who produced Vanguard, but everything that I've seen and heard about Vanguard makes it seem pretty lame to me (bad showing at E3, bad feedback all throughout beta testing, etc). The classic EQ, on the other hand, was excellent. So, who knows.
 
 I'll keep an open mind. It would be nice to find a decent MMO one of these days.

 
 Don't even get me started on Vanguard. I played in beta for a while, and it sucks.  The previews I read made it sound like it was supposed to be something totally new with radically innovative gameplay.  It's not.  Just the same old crap with a different name.  It's like a Frakensteinish blend of the EQ2 engine, the WoW user interface, and all the features from EQ1 that players hated the most.
 
 In my opinion, the most innovative and original MMO to date, in terms of game mechanics and social interaction, is City of Heroes/Villains.  Unfortunately, the gameplay is even more reptitve than most other MMO's, so it gets boring very quickly.
 
 Anyway... As intriguing as a WoD MMO sounds, it would probably warrant an M rating if it were done properly.  That means a limited playerbase, which would be a death sentence for an MMO.  You could offer free online play, ala Guild Wars, but then you have to sacrifice things like graphics quality, bandwidth, and free content updates.  I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I doubt we'll be seeing an M rated MMO any time soon, so I remain skeptical about the quality and atmosphere we can expect to see in WoD online.                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] CountNussbaum on February 02, 2007, 09:53:00 AM
                The trend for many mmogs is to allow you to download the clients from the companies website. Also internet advertising is more important including word-of-mouth. So I think in the coming years ratings will have less and less impact on the playerbase because retailers lose their importance and with that the importance of people who want to force their view of what is proper on others.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on February 02, 2007, 01:58:00 PM
                In Reply To #21
 
Anaximander posted:
 I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I doubt we'll be seeing an M rated MMO any time soon, so I remain skeptical about the quality and atmosphere we can expect to see in WoD online.

 
 Well, there has been an "M" rated MMO out for awhile now called "Neocron," but I wasn't especially impressed with it when I tried it. It also looks really, really bland -- visually speaking.
 
 "Age of Conan" is supposedly going to ship with an "M" rating from Funcom, but the entire design concept for that MMO looks to me like something the players will burn out on, within a few months. As Jack would say, AoC is already starting to look like "the Three Stooges with chainsaws," so far as its overall thrust.
 
 I think an "M" rated MMO based on WoD could work, but as you say... it wouldn't have that built-in kiddie konsumer base that most publishers seem to be aiming at these days.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Anaximander57641248 on February 02, 2007, 04:27:00 PM
                In Reply To #23
 
 I've never even heard of Neocron, and I haven't really been following the development of Age of Conan.  Thanks for the correction.
 
 
Tessera posted:
I think an "M" rated MMO based on WoD could work, but as you say... it wouldn't have that built-in kiddie konsumer base that most publishers seem to be aiming at these days.

 
 Exactly!  If you really want a game to be "massively" multiplayer, you need high power server clusters, immense bandwidth, a full support staff, and continued development on future content.  To fund it, you need a monthly subscription fee and a sufficiently large player base.  That means making a game with an interface so easy and content so mild that anyone - even a child - can play it, and nobody complains.
 
 Now, there has been a trend lately to make smaller "niche" online games that appeal more selective audiences.  I wouldn't really call them MMO's, though.  Just games that offer online play.  I wouldn't object to seeing WoD online done this way, as long they didn't have to sacrifice too much in the way of quality.                        

 

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Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on February 03, 2007, 07:13:00 PM
                In Reply To #24
 
 Ahh, well. The publishers need a kick in the balls, I guess. For now, I'm keeping myself entertained by trying to do a topless Malkavian re-skin. Wish me luck... it's coming along, though.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] GT-Geoff on February 03, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
                You'll have to excuse what may be a really stupid question, but considering that most MMO's require monthly fees, wouldn't MMO developers target players old enough to earn income? I know parents may buy their children games for birthdays and holidays, but I can't imagine too many willing to fork over cash every month. It just seems safer to shoot for the 18+ age-bracket.
 
 
                       

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on February 03, 2007, 10:28:00 PM
                In Reply To #26
 
Island_Dog posted:

 You'll have to excuse what may be a really stupid question, but considering that most MMO's require monthly fees, wouldn't MMO developers target players old enough to earn income? I know parents may buy their children games for birthdays and holidays, but I can't imagine too many willing to fork over cash every month. It just seems safer to shoot for the 18+ age-bracket.
 
 
 

 
 Well, just take a look at the most successful MMO of all-time: World of Warcrap.
 
 Based upon personal observations, I'd wager that about 70% of the people who play that game are under 16 years of age. I think what happens is this: parents -- or should I say, irresponsible parents -- buy MMO's for their kids and then use them like a substitute babysitter.
 
 What I mean is, so long as their kid is wrapped up for 8 straight hours playing some cheesy MMO, then that kid is out of their hair for the rest of the day. I know that sounds very cynical and pessimistic of me, but that's the impression that I've gotten over the years.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] MooCHa2 on February 04, 2007, 09:23:00 PM
                In Reply To #27
 
 I wouldn't touch warcraft if you even bought it for me but I see it as a lesser of two evils.
 
 I guess some parents go for the easy way out but It can go a lot deeper than a substitute babysitter.
 They would rather them be sedated playing warcraft than robbing old people or getting hooked on heroin.
 
 It certainly Beats them roaming around their local area bored out their face, getting drunk and stoned then doing daft things that could ruin their life.
 
 Do we need any more scum of the earth? No way! Catch 22.
 
 These parents could actually be doing us a favour but the saying, wrap them up in cotton wool springs to mind.
 
 Regards...                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] Tessera72751098 on February 04, 2007, 10:51:00 PM
                In Reply To #28
 
MooCHa posted:

 I guess some parents go for the easy way out but It can go a lot deeper than a substitute babysitter.
 They would rather them be sedated playing warcraft than robbing old people or getting hooked on heroin.
 
 It certainly Beats them roaming around their local area bored out their face, getting drunk and stoned then doing daft things that could ruin their life.
 
 Do we need any more scum of the earth? No way! Catch 22.
 
 These parents could actually be doing us a favour but the saying, wrap them up in cotton wool springs to mind.

 
 Well...
 
 I grew up in an era that long pre-dated MMO's or just about anything else on the internet. I certainly didn't end up doing any of those things that you've listed, but then again, I actually had parents who gave a shit about me and spent time teaching me how to live properly in this world. I also went to public schools that were adequately funded and so on and so on and so on and...
 
 I think you can see where I'm headed, so I won't finish that paragraph. Any intelligent person (yourself included)  is already way ahead of me.                        

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] prem76619493 on February 15, 2007, 02:14:00 AM
                I played EVE Online for 2 years on 3 accounts and it WAS the BEST mmo I ever played. Recent changes made it so it feels like the game wants to become more popular than to fit in the beautiful niche it was in so far. I havnt played it for 3 months now and I get bad feedback from my former clan/corpmates. I guess I quit at the right time.
 
 IF and only if, the devs from EVE do their initial magic, vampire mmo would probably rule. However, once they tasted the buck from a game that appeals to a wide audience I dont believe vamp game has any chances to be any good.
 
 I've been on beta for Lord of The Rings Online and initially it seemed good. Once the hype with Tolkiens magic wore off and I started to see how weak the structure of the game was I realised something: it's just too damn hard to pass on the opportunity to earn more money for your product than to stick to some hard rules while making the game. As it stands, LOTRO is going to be just another MMO suspended on hype from movies and toys. I dont want to bash games like LOTRO or WoW, but these aint my type of games in the long run. Shallow grind fests with seemingly loads to offer, yet empty and without character. After I play all the clans in VTMB I will seek out more of the gems of the old and maybe, just maybe rekindle my love with text based muds I started with....
 
                       

 

                                                  
Title: Re: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] CountNussbaum on February 15, 2007, 03:56:00 AM
                In Reply To #30
 
 What kind of recent changes did they make?                        

 

                                                  
Title: Anyone else suffering badly a Bloodlines withdrawal
Post by: [archive] s4nct1m0ny on February 15, 2007, 04:03:00 AM
                In Reply To #12
 
Tessera posted:

 In Reply To #9
 
Azrael il Toreador posted:
did you read what i said AT ALL fledgling? NGH! not gonna happen! sit tight and wait for the MMO!

 
 But... what if the MMO sucks, like every other new MMO these days..?
 
 I think it works better as a single-player game. As an MMO, I fear that it's going to be cheapened and dumbed-down, to give it wider appeal. We can probably kiss all of the grittier, adult-oriented content bye-bye. Without mature themes, it'll possibly be little more than WoW-style kiddie krap... so if that turns out to be the case, I'll pass.
 
 Naturally, I hope I'm wrong. In fact, nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about this.

 Oh Tessera, you're so edgy. Dismissing something as being "kiddy", even if it turns out good; running and drooling after adult content; AND calling yourself "mature" because of it?
 
 You're like the comedy king of 1999.