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Offline [archive] Meira74637127

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Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
« on: February 14, 2007, 01:58:00 PM »
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  •                 No matter what I do, the only option given to my Ventrue is the lone wolf ending. (?!) I didn't betray Max to Isaac and I've completed the 'regents riddle' quest (or so the journal indicates). In all dialogues I've tried to take the Camarilla side and I was fairly rude to Ming Xiao, so I understand that I don't get offered the Anarch or Kuie-Jin endings. However, I did expect to be offered the Camarilla (no LaCroix) ending.
     
     I have both the official patch (1.2) and the unofficial one (3.2).                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 05:01:00 PM »
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  •                 Hmm ..
     
     In Reply To #1
     
     Did you perform the Plaguebearer quest in the Downtown area
     on behalf of Maximillian? If you did not then I believe
     this might prevent you from acquiring the true Camarilla
     ending. Although I am not certain.
     
     I do not use unofficial patches so I cannot tell if that
     is standing in your way. When you speak to Ca ..... bby
     about the Camarilla he will express his dismay that the
     LaCroix's in the world caused him to lose faith in that
     faction but if he were deposed he might regain his faith.
     The character wonders who might replace him and arrive
     at the conclusion that Maximillian would do so.
     
     You should go for the option at the first oppurtunity, if
     one wavers in their dedication I noticed the option will
     not be offered again.
     
     You should be able to get the Anarch ending even if you
     completely ignored the whole motley bunch. Unless of
     course your responses seriously ticked off any Anarchs.
     
     *End of Line*                        

     

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    Offline [archive] Meira74637127

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 05:30:00 PM »
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     I don't even really get the opportunity to talk about the Camarilla with the cab driver. My only dialogue options relate very specifically on my character 'wanting to get hell out of there' or 'kicking everyone's butt' and then finally agreeing on killing both Ming and LaCroix on her own.
     
     Maybe it's the plaguebearer quest, I did talk to both Damsel and Max. However, last time when I played with a Toreador (who tried to keep on the good side of everyone) I did get an option to get the Camarilla ending (or at least I think I did), even though I had done the plaguebearer guest to Damsel and only afterwards talked with Max. What I'm sure of is that the Toreador got a lot more dialogue options with the cab driver.
         
                           

     

                                                      

    Offline [archive] Starrathiel

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 05:41:00 PM »
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  •                 Hmm ..
     
     In Reply To #3
     
     The dialogue options with Cabby are normally speaking
     dependant on your character's standing with the various
     factions and have little to do with the particular clan
     she belongs to.
     
     You can perform the Plaguebearer quest on Maximillians
     behalf by speaking with him before your character speaks
     with Damn-Sail. Ask him about the goings on in the area
     and he will mention the trouble. Then your character can
     offer to look into it for him. When you complete the
     quest return to him to claim a useful item. It does not
     matter afterwards if you speak with Damn-Sail first.
     
     As long as you do not tattle on him to Isaac about the
     rampaging Golem (to be certain, before you go to finish
     it off, confront Maximillian first - pick up the book
     on thaumathurgical creatures in the chantry and succesfully
     persuade him to admit that the thing was his creation. He
     will give you an item that protects you from the thing as
     well as the quest to destroy it).. you should unlock the
     Camarilla ending.
     
     Ignore the Anarchs after the plaguebearer quest and you
     should be able to unlock the Anarch ending.
     
     *End of Line*
                           

     

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    Offline [archive] Meira74637127

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 09:02:00 AM »
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     I think I found the problem while snooping around in the cab drivers dialogue (caine.dlg). There is a logical error on the early part of the dialogue, after this line:
     
     It sounds as if there are many who seek to sway the children of Caine to their side... many who believe they shape the destiny of the blood. You work for Prince LaCroix, don't you?
     
     The reply options given to your character are: 1. Side with the prince; 2. Side with the Anarchs; 3. Side with Ming; and 4. Lone wolf. There is no option to side with the Camarilla available at this juncture. Since my character has closed both the Anarch and Ming options, by being rude to them  and hasn't been kissing the prince's ass hard enough, she's offered only the Lone Wolf option.
     
     If you are able to choose either of Anarchs or the Prince options you can switch to the Camarilla ending in the next dialogue block. No such luck with the Lone Wolf or Ming. Or so it seems after a fairly quick look at the dialogue.
     
     I looked up the variables that allow you to have the Camarilla ending and my character meets the requirements:
     
     G.Regent_Pissed = 0 (not = 3 was required)
     G.Regent_Introduced == 1
     G.Isaac_Please == 0
     
     
     [added Feb 15 2007  4:04AM]
     
     BTW, I noticed that I might have posted this on the wrong section of the forum. I'm sorry.
                           

     

                                                      

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 09:04:00 AM »
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  •                 i can see the tombstone now:
     
     Here Lies Sebastian Lacroix
     Death and No Fairy Tale Ending                        

     

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    Offline [archive] Meira74637127

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 09:05:00 AM »
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  •                 BTW, I noticed that I might have posted this on the wrong section of the forum. I'm sorry.
                           

     

                                                      

    Offline [archive] Starrathiel

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 02:09:00 PM »
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  •                 Hmm ..
     
     In Reply To #5
     
    Meira posted:

     It sounds as if there are many who seek to sway the children of Caine to their side... many who believe they shape the destiny of the blood. You work for Prince LaCroix, don't you?

     
     I cannot tell with certainty unfortunately if this holds up
     in your case. I never get this particular dialogue from
     Ca ... bby. Are you by any chance holding out (remaining
     silent) for a while before you initiate conversation with
     Cabby?
     
     It is my experience that he starts by pointing out the
     Anarch faction as a valid option. In my games this unlocks
     an option to the effect of "Well, if it was not for LaCroix
     the Camarilla would be better". Ca ... bby then points out
     his disappointment with the Camarilla and states that if
     he should be replaced he might regain his faith. The
     choices then lead to Maximillian.
     
     I do believe though there is only one path through the
     conversation that leads to it.
     
     *Shrug*
     
     By the way, if you are curious, the endings of the
     Camarilla and the Kuei-Jin can be found on YouTube
     
     *End of Line*
                           

     

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     Why couldn't I stop until I had died?
     It was hate for myself hidden inside
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    Offline [archive] RakishAzrael

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #8 on: February 16, 2007, 03:21:00 PM »
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  •                 In Reply To #8
     
    Needle posted:

     
     
     By the way, if you are curious, the endings of the
     Camarilla and the Kuei-Jin can be found on YouTube
     
     *End of Line*
     

     
     omg...i watched the kuei-jun ending and...how disconcerting...i actually feel bad for lacroix, and im pissed off at the traitor...
     
     
     
     and is it just me, or is the cammie/strauss ending a direct rip from "Raiders of the Lost Ark?"                        

     

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    Offline [archive] AriannaLewellyn

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #9 on: February 16, 2007, 03:50:00 PM »
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    Azrael il Toreador posted:

     omg...i watched the kuei-jun ending and...how disconcerting...i actually feel bad for lacroix, and im pissed off at the traitor...

     
     
     Agreed.  That's definitely my least favorite ending.
     
     
     
     

    ...and is it just me, or is the cammie/strauss ending a direct rip from "Raiders of the Lost Ark?"

     
     
     I also see a definite similarity, though I prefer to use the term "homage" rather than "rip".
     
     
     Am I the only one who's bummed that LaCroix never gets to win?  I wanted an ending that showed LaCroix and the PC diablerizing an Antidiluvian and ruling the world together!                          

     

                                                      

    Offline [archive] RakishAzrael

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    Re: No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #10 on: February 16, 2007, 04:02:00 PM »
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     i would definatly do that ending every time if it existed...                        

     

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    Offline [archive] AriannaLewellyn

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    No Camarilla ending What went wrong
    « Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 04:04:00 PM »
                    Me too!