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Re: Andrei's final speech
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 06:07:00 PM »
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     The Archon thing would make sense, but it's a bit of a wild idea eh?                        

     

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    Offline [archive] AriannaLewellyn

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 06:44:00 PM »
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    Skyra to Hollow posted:

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     Are you sure that wasn't Beckett that "just arrived in town?"  I remember the Prince saying that the Gangrel had just arrived, and that he had the courtesy to announce his presence.  I don't remember him saying that Jack was new, but I haven't played in a while so I'm probably missing something.</quote>
     
     Now that you mention it, maybe it was Beckett. I thought that someone in another thread said that Jack had only recently arrived also (I believe it was the thread in which we discussed how he got the explosives inside the sarcophagus), but now I'm not so sure.
     
     
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     <quote by="Slayden">
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     LaCroix said that whatever city Jack ends up at, the city has some catastrophe that is attributed to him, which is true. But. Smiling Jack spends several years in each city before royally fucking the Cam over in that city. Jack's last stop was L.A. (L.A. By Night) and he has never left since. He even dies in L.A. during Gehenna. He was there several years before the PC came along.

     
     I haven't followed any of the other Vampire media, so I don't know any of Jack's background other than what is stated in the game.  You're probably right about him being there for years though (see reply above).
     
     

    Your sire could be the one that was new to L.A. (and throwing a new twist to the story) as an Archon maybe? *notices the wide eyes from the PnP players who know what an Archon is* It would definitely explain everything: the low generation, the pain in LaCroix's ass, LaCroix having to say that bit about "upstanding member" and all that, etc.

     
     
     I don't recall any mention of the sire being new in town.  After thinking it over, I'm pretty sure I got the Jack idea from someone in another thread, and that they are most likely mistaken.
     
     And for someone who has never done the PNP, can you explain what an Archon is?                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #17 on: February 14, 2007, 06:45:00 PM »
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    katran posted:

     
     
     And for someone who has never done the PNP, can you explain what an Archon is?

     
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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #18 on: February 14, 2007, 06:46:00 PM »
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  •                 Well, that's helpful.  Want to spell it out for the newbie?                          

     

                                                      

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #19 on: February 14, 2007, 06:54:00 PM »
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  •                 guh, FINE.
     
     Slayden could do this better, but ill take a crack at it (with the help of WoD wiki). *ahem*:
     
     
     Archons are the hand-picked eyes and ears of the Justicars. They are the most visible and effective fist of the Camarilla, and are usually the most effective and deadly vampires that neonates of either sect are likely to encounter. Given the traditionally untrustworthy nature of vampiric society, Archons usually have their loyalty ensured artificially, such as being Blood Bound to their Justicar.
     
     Now you may be wondering, "What on EARTH is a Justicar?"
     
     The justicars are the most powerful visible component of the Camarilla's government, charged with adjudicating matters of the Traditions on a wide scale and acting as the eyes, ears, and hands of the Inner Circle. There is one justicar for each clan of the Camarilla.
     
     there you go :P                        

     

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #20 on: February 14, 2007, 07:01:00 PM »
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     So when you say one Justicar per clan, is that per city, or worldwide?                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #21 on: February 14, 2007, 08:02:00 PM »
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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #22 on: February 14, 2007, 08:54:00 PM »
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  •                 Thanks.                          

     

                                                      

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #23 on: February 14, 2007, 09:33:00 PM »
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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #24 on: February 14, 2007, 11:46:00 PM »
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     Ha ha ha ha ha! I can hardly wait for you to get blood bound to Madame Guil! It's going to be so entertaining!
     
     Archons are usually invisible. Sometimes they take a spotlight role to intimidate on behalf of the Justicar, but this is not the norm. If an Archon reveals his nature, he will be virtually shunned out of the Elysium because no one will talk to him. Archons are typically spies more than anything. Heheheh, and your beloved Toreador Justicar Madame Guillotine is known for her brutal strategies and more than willing to sacrifice several of her 75 blood bound Archons to further her goals. After all, she can always have more, right? And she NEVER takes advice. Hehehe... Sorry for getting morbid there-- actually... no, I'm not. Dance puppet dance!
     
     Oh, and Justicars adjudicate in regions, not the world as a whole.
     
     Madame Guil (Toreador) -- Eastern North America
     
     Cock Robin (Nosferatu) -- Western North America and all of South America
     
     Anastasz di Zagreb (Tremere) -- Eastern Europe and Middle East
     
     Maris Streck (Malkavian) -- Western Europe
     
     Lucinde (Ventrue) -- Africa
     
     Jaroslav Pascek (Brujah) -- Asia and Australia (a small territory due to the Kuei-jin)
     
     Xavier (Gangrel) -- The last Gangrel Justicar. The Gangrel pulled out of the sect known as the Camarilla in February 1999. The Gangrel are an Independent Clan, not Camarilla.                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #25 on: February 15, 2007, 12:52:00 AM »
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     i hate you a little bit more every day slayden...                        

     

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #26 on: February 15, 2007, 03:46:00 AM »
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     If Gangrels pulled out of the Camarilla, then why was there a Gangrel Primogen in the Prince's Office when the Primogen had gathered? There could only have been Brujah, Gangrel, Toreador, and Tremere Elders, of which the last is Maxmillain Strauss, and the rest are unknown. By the logic of deduction, those were the only Primogen who could have been there. The Prince is likely the Ventrue Primogen, and the Malkavian and Nosferatu Primogen were not present.                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #27 on: February 15, 2007, 05:48:00 AM »
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     Bloodlines is FULL of disputations with the books. A Prince can never be a Primogen as the Primogen are act as a counterbalance to the Prince. Not only that, occasionally, if the city is big enough, there are multiple Primogen from each clan, taking a "seat" in their version of Parliament/Congress. Bloodlines has a good story and good gameplay, but there are numerous other things wrong with it as well. The Gangrel should not be in the game, the ONLY Disciplines that Troika got right was Potence and Fortitude (even Celerity got screwed up and Protean by far suffered the worst), the Sabbat are not brainless thugs (they're violent yet complex, not stupid), and many other things.
     
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     I know, sometimes I can be an However, that is the role of Archon and that IS Madame Guillotine's nature.                        

     

                                                      

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #28 on: February 15, 2007, 07:53:00 AM »
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     Well, some of the Disciplines would be bloody hard to integrate perfectly into a game. Dominate and Presence come to mind, as they had to be really significantly tweaked to make them useful for combat.
     
     Hasn't Celerity always had a "bullet-time" effect? Or is it just a speed enhancement?                        

     

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    Re: Andrei's final speech
    « Reply #29 on: February 15, 2007, 08:17:00 AM »
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  •                 skyra: it was jack that "just arrived in town" and had "shown the courtesy to announce his presence". if i remember correctly lacriox was a little surprised when you mention bekett being in town, and then says something to the effect that he had herd he was around the area....
     or perhaps it was the other way around, and he said that he had herd jack was around town... though i think that jack had actually presented himself... and lacriox was saying that he had the courtesy to do it in a rather distasteful manner.  
     
     slayden: i didnt think about that, lol
     
     yes, la had been jacks home for a few years, but perhaps he left for a little bit, then came back with a better hand. if i remember la by night was set before the tern of the melenium, though i could be wrong about that ass well... i was going to say 92... but dementation only came back in 87-88... and i cant remember if it is included in that book... though i would think not as i believe that the books corresponded to the years that they where released in.  
     
     s4nct1m0ny: why do you say that? just because of the numbers?
     
     while it could be mitsoda just not reading the revised gangrel clan book, it does not really matter, as all the primogen models from that were your standard ventrue pc models, in full armor+strauss... if i remember correctly 4+1... +1 =6... not seven. so there is one missing... gangrel? your statement of lacriox being ventrue primogen supports this.
     and yeah, otherwise i dont see any evidence to suggest that the gangrel are in the cam, other than them being in the default clan selection... but i dont think that really says anything
     
     slayden: no, the screwed up fortitude, as in bloodlines it gives auto successes, whereas in vtm it just gives extra dice.
     
     starwrecker: its just a speed enhancement. you get extra turns per turn.                        

     

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