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Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« on: December 12, 2019, 03:18:38 AM »
Hi, I am new here and I just completed Bloodlines for the first time last night, with the latest version of the unofficial patch basic version, and just wanted to share my thoughts.  First I want to say I never played the "World of Darkness" pen and paper rpg, so don't know how faithful bloodlines was/is.

In my first playthrough I decided to play as a Tremere because I like mages in rpg's.  The attributes I focused on were strength, dexterity, stamina and perception.  The skills I focused on early on were unarmed, dodge, ranged, security and sneak.  Disciplines Thaumaturgy, and Auspex.  Early on I focused on soaking damage, unarmed and Thaumaturgy.  As the story progressed I would invest in ranged, perception and auspex.  While periodically investing in security and sneak. 

My first playthrough was pretty easy going until I fought Ming Xiao and then the Sheriff.  My favorite characters are Jeanette and Therese, Jack, Nines, Damsel, LaCroix, Tung, Romero, Gary, Mitnick, pretty much all of the major npc's.  Though Jeanette and Therese's story was crazy.  Oh and I liked the two old Asian hitmen.  They were funny.  There were a few places I found somewhat scary like the Ocean House Hotel and the Warrens.

I got the Strauss ending where they put the sarcophagus in a secured location.  I was disappointed my character did not become Prince, but that did not take away from the experience.  I of course sided with the Camarilla and was always loyal and friendly towards LaCroix, though I would occasionally run to the Last Round and talk to Jack about what the Prince has me currently doing. 

I got both the Santa Monica haven which is mandatory and the much more upscale Tremere haven.  I enjoyed having Heather as my ghoul though I did not like her fate.  Next time I play I'll see if I can dismiss her early on.  For melee I used my fists (claws) and for ranged the two best weapons I used were the Colt Anaconda and Combat Shotgun.  I hardly used any of my bloodpacks early on until towards the end with Ming Xiao and the Sheriff.

I have a question?  Who was sending the unnamed emails?  Was it the cab driver?  Also I like Jack but was he playing me the whole time?  I mean the cabbie was a friend of his, and that cabbie took me all over L.A.  He knew where I went.  So was Jack keeping track of me for the Anarchs.  Oh yeah, just cause I sided with the Camarilla I preferred the Anarchs.  I just sided with the Camarilla cause I figured that's what a Tremere would do judging by what Strauss says.

In conclusion I enjoyed the game very much and don't know why I've put off playing it for so long.  Even though I was old enough to understand the game when it was released.

The only modern gaming conveniences I would have liked were more hotkeys, and an ability to lock on to the target when in melee.  Cause the melee fights were hectic especially against foes like the second plaguebearer who lived in the sewers.  He kept on getting behind my character.

P.S.  In a couple of days I plan on replaying the games either a Toreador or Ventrue.  Because as much fun as I had with Tremere.  My character was did not have high persuasion, and I usually like to persuade/intimidate out of potentially combat situations.   Most likely I'll go Toreador cause the Ventrue are picky on who they feed.  I eventually want to do a Malkavian playthrough cause I heard they are wild, but one must be really familiar with the story in order to appreciate it. 

« Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 08:00:51 AM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2019, 06:20:57 AM »
Welcome kindred, glad you loved the game.

Enjoy playing a Toreador. It's my own personal favorite and it's one of the two clans with what I personally think it's the single best discipline: Celerity. Get ready to feel like Keanu Reeves and tear shit up in Los Angeles.

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2019, 08:07:36 AM »
I was disappointed my character did not become Prince, but that did not take away from the experience.

I really liked that. The player is not the boss of everything in the end, contrary to games like Skyrim for example.

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I enjoyed having Heather as my ghoul though I did not like her fate.  Next time I play I'll see if I can dismiss her early on.

You should choose the plus patch then, because I added a way to change her fate without sending her away :)!

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Who was sending the unnamed emails?  Was it the cab driver?

Nobody really knows and this is probably intended. The Cabbie could be it, but I don't see him using a laptop...

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Also I like Jack but was he playing me the whole time?

Pretty much yes. You should side with the Anarchs the next time! You'll get some more background story then.

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Most likely I'll go Toreador cause the Ventrue are picky on who they feed.  I eventually want to do a Malkavian playthrough cause I heard they are wild, but one must be really familiar with the story in order to appreciate it.

As highwayman wrote, Toreador are great gunman persuader types and you are right, Malkavian is best for last.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 08:12:58 AM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2019, 08:52:40 AM »
Welcome kindred, glad you loved the game.

Enjoy playing a Toreador. It's my own personal favorite and it's one of the two clans with what I personally think it's the single best discipline: Celerity. Get ready to feel like Keanu Reeves and tear shit up in Los Angeles.

Yeah for my first playthrough I was deciding between Toreador and Tremere.  I liked my Tremere, but he was not persuasive his intimidation score was 3, and that was enough to intimidate the script writer who works at the Luckee hotel in Hollywood.  But yeah next playthrough definitely Toreador.

I saw their character sheet earlier and all three disciplines sound good.  I'm really going to have to think on where to allocate points.

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 09:08:04 AM »
I was disappointed my character did not become Prince, but that did not take away from the experience.

I really liked that. The player is not the boss of everything in the end, contrary to games like Skyrim for example.

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I enjoyed having Heather as my ghoul though I did not like her fate.  Next time I play I'll see if I can dismiss her early on.

You should choose the plus patch then, because I added a way to change her fate without sending her away :)!

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Who was sending the unnamed emails?  Was it the cab driver?

Nobody really knows and this is probably intended. The Cabbie could be it, but I don't see him using a laptop...

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Also I like Jack but was he playing me the whole time?

Pretty much yes. You should side with the Anarchs the next time! You'll get some more background story then.

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Most likely I'll go Toreador cause the Ventrue are picky on who they feed.  I eventually want to do a Malkavian playthrough cause I heard they are wild, but one must be really familiar with the story in order to appreciate it.

As highwayman wrote, Toreador are great gunman persuader types and you are right, Malkavian is best for last.

Yeah now that you mention it becoming head of the Camarilla sounds like an Elder Scrolls type of thing.  But I wonder who became the new Prince?  Plus my Tremere is low in the vampire hierarchy.

I will try the Plus Patch after I play as a Toreador.  I will replay both Toreador and Tremere with the Plus Patch.  I like that you changed the outcome.  I felt bad for her.

Well the cabbie is mysterious and I find him intriguing.  But then again it could have been Strauss sending the emails.

Oh I like the Anarchs and definitely going to side with them.  I like Nines, Damsel, and Jack.  I was going to side with them initially but I thought a Tremere would be loyal to the Camarilla.  But last night I read up on the Tremere and their are different factions of them, and most are not aligned with the Camarilla. 

I'm definitely going to give the Toreador a try.  They were one of the two clans besides the Malkavians and Nosferatu I found interesting.  The other was Tremere. 

Also I recognize your name, you are the creator of the unofficial patch.  Thank you for all your years of hard work on making the game playable.  I have heard that the development studio was shut down before they could properly fix the many bugs.




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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2019, 11:00:04 AM »
But I wonder who became the new Prince?

This was mentioned in an old WoD book that isn't canon anymore, but from the game I would guess it would be Strauss.

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I will try the Plus Patch after I play as a Toreador.  I will replay both Toreador and Tremere with the Plus Patch.

I think you should play the Toreador with plus already, the differences are not big enough for two same clan playthroughs.

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I like that you changed the outcome.  I felt bad for her.

I didn't just change the outcome. I only added another option which you need to recognize and take ;)!

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Oh I like the Anarchs and definitely going to side with them.

Then you will see a completely new map if you play the plus version!

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I have heard that the development studio was shut down before they could properly fix the many bugs.

Indeed, and they couldn't really finish the game either. The plus patch restores much unfinished content!
« Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 01:14:02 PM by Wesp5 »

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2019, 12:39:56 PM »
You should choose the plus patch then, because I added a way to change her fate without sending her away :)!

I am totally unaware of this... please explain :O !

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2019, 01:15:22 PM »
You should choose the plus patch then, because I added a way to change her fate without sending her away :)!

I am totally unaware of this... please explain :O !

This might be a bit of a spoiler, but at one time Heather will tell you that she thinks she is being followed. If you tell her to stay indoors after that, her fate will change...

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2019, 07:58:20 PM »
But I wonder who became the new Prince?

This was mentioned in an old WoD book that isn't canon anymore, but from the game I would guess it would be Strauss.

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I will try the Plus Patch after I play as a Toreador.  I will replay both Toreador and Tremere with the Plus Patch.

I think you should play the Toreador with plus already, the differences are not big enough for two same clan playthroughs.

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I like that you changed the outcome.  I felt bad for her.

I didn't just change the outcome. I only added another option which you need to recognize and take ;)!

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Oh I like the Anarchs and definitely going to side with them.

Then you will see a completely new map if you play the plus version!

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I have heard that the development studio was shut down before they could properly fix the many bugs.

Indeed, and they couldn't really finish the game either. The plus patch restores much unfinished content!

I figured Strauss would be the new Prince. 

Oh okay I will install the Plus patch then.

Oh I misunderstood what you posted earlier.

Yeah I strongly dislike when publishers get in the way of development.  Reminds me of another favorite rpg of mine "Knights of the Old Republic II", the publisher forced the development team to rush the game.  Thus releasing a buggy and unfinished game.  It was up to the modders/fans to restore the cut content.




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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2019, 09:34:51 PM »
Reminds me of another favorite rpg of mine "Knights of the Old Republic II", the publisher forced the development team to rush the game.  Thus releasing a buggy and unfinished game.  It was up to the modders/fans to restore the cut content.

I know about the KOTOT2 restored content mod, although I never played it. While the plus patch does not restore a whole planet, it restores 8 maps and lots of other unused content, so it's kind of a restoration project for Bloodlines :)!

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2019, 03:15:09 AM »
All of the clans are unique in their own way.  Try them all!  The Nossie's are my personal favorite but play is much different from the others so that one should be one of the last. 

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2019, 04:36:38 AM »
Reminds me of another favorite rpg of mine "Knights of the Old Republic II", the publisher forced the development team to rush the game.  Thus releasing a buggy and unfinished game.  It was up to the modders/fans to restore the cut content.

I know about the KOTOT2 restored content mod, although I never played it. While the plus patch does not restore a whole planet, it restores 8 maps and lots of other unused content, so it's kind of a restoration project for Bloodlines :)!

Yes, I just reinstalled the unofficial patch this with the Patch Plus checked.  The more of Bloodlines the better.:)  I will start my Toreador playthrough tomorrow, and ask here if I run into any problem with where to put points in.  Because I saw their three disciplines and they all sound good.  With my Tremere I focused only on Thaumaturgy and Auspex, and only had one point in Domination.  So I will see where to put points.

I just realized both VTMB and KOTOR 2 were released the same year by developers that also worked on the original Baldur's Gate and Fallout games.  While sadly VTMB was Troika's last game, KOTOR 2 was Obsidian's first game.  Anyway I just thought it was interesting.  But that explains why I didn't play VTMB then.  At the time I was still heavily into Morrowind and the KOTOR games.
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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2019, 04:51:11 AM »
All of the clans are unique in their own way.  Try them all!  The Nossie's are my personal favorite but play is much different from the others so that one should be one of the last.

I forgot to say one of my favorite clans I met in game were the Nosferatu.  At first just by looking at them I thought they were truly the damned and the fallen.  I was nervous when wandering in the sewers.  But then when it is revealed that the Tzimisce's creatures have run out the Nosferatu I knew there had to be something more to them.

So when I finally met the first one, Mitnick.  I was surprised.  I thought he would be some raging demon, but no he was just a computer geek, who thinks being a Nosferatu is not a bad deal.  Imalia she was hateful especially towards the model that replaced her.  Gary was mysterious, and Tung was alright.  The only problem I had with them was that they were so few.  I know Mitnick said there were other Nosferatu in the lair but we never see them.

But yeah, I am going to try them all.  Next Toreador then maybe Ventrue or Nosferatu.  Malkavian for last.

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2019, 11:17:23 PM »
Here is my first attempt at a Toreador, since I don't know how to attach screenshots.  I can't attach a screenshot of the character sheet.  But here are the main skills, and discipline.

Combat:  Melee 2, Defense 3.   Covert:  Hacking 2, Research 3.  Mental:  Persuasion 4, Seduction 4.  Discipline:  2 ranks in Celerity.

I went for high persuasion and seduction early on so I can sweet talk my way out of potential combat situations, and so I can feed on the ladies at the Asylum and not on prostitutes and bums.

I'm going to do the tutorial for Jack now.  I will post back in awhile.

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Re: Am new here and just beat VTMB for the first time. (Spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2019, 12:36:57 AM »
Presence is susprisingly useful and fitting for a Toreador doing melee.

I will also ask Wesp5 now (since it might be useful): are special presence dialogue options unlocked by investing points in the discipline in the UP patch ?

 

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